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1. 03:40 AM - Re: history of ultralights (John Hauck)
2. 04:57 AM - Re: history of ultralights (Jim Ballenger)
3. 06:03 AM - Re: nose heavy mk III (woody)
4. 06:35 AM - Re: 447 New vs Rebuild (jerb)
5. 06:50 AM - Re: history of ultralights (Airgriff2@aol.com)
6. 06:57 AM - Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (jerb)
7. 07:48 AM - Re: [cgshawk] Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (Tom Olenik)
8. 08:40 AM - Re: nose heavy mk III (CaptainRon)
9. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: [cgshawk] Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (Don Gherardini)
10. 09:12 AM - Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (CaptainRon)
11. 09:46 AM - Re: Don's ULII02 questions (Tom Olenik)
12. 09:57 AM - Re: Harley (Hans vanAlphen)
13. 11:46 AM - Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (Duncan McBride)
14. 12:58 PM - Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (John Hauck)
15. 01:02 PM - Re: Don's ULII02 questions (John Hauck)
16. 01:45 PM - Re: 447 New vs Rebuild (Gary robert voigt)
17. 03:50 PM - Subj: Harley (William George)
18. 04:18 PM - Tom's rich jetting (Richard Pike)
19. 04:54 PM - Hauck's Web Page (John Hauck)
20. 05:05 PM - Re: 447 New vs Rebuild (Tom Olenik)
21. 05:13 PM - Re: Tom's rich jetting (Tom Olenik)
22. 05:24 PM - EVO/AIR update (Paul Petty)
23. 05:27 PM - Re: Tom's rich jetting (Jack & Louise Hart)
24. 05:52 PM - Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (CaptainRon)
25. 06:01 PM - Miss P'fer Stretches Her Wings (John Hauck)
26. 06:11 PM - Non-Kolb (Larry Bourne)
27. 06:18 PM - Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (jerb)
28. 06:31 PM - Hauck Web Page II (John Hauck)
29. 06:38 PM - Re: Tom's rich jetting (Tom Olenik)
30. 06:47 PM - Correction, Again....... (John Hauck)
31. 07:27 PM - Re: Non-Kolb (Richard Pike)
32. 07:46 PM - Re: Non-Kolb (Hugh)
33. 07:51 PM - Re: Miss P'fer Stretches Her Wings (possums)
34. 08:05 PM - Re: Miss P'fer Stretches Her Wings (John Hauck)
35. 08:48 PM - Re: Miss P'fer Stretches Her Wings (possums)
36. 08:54 PM - Re: Non-Kolb (Larry Bourne)
37. 10:00 PM - Re: EVO/AIR update (woody)
38. 10:06 PM - Re: EVO/AIR update (Larry Bourne)
39. 10:11 PM - horizontal stabilizer leading edge mounts (possums)
40. 10:18 PM - Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (woody)
41. 10:44 PM - Re: Tom's rich jetting (Don Gherardini)
42. 10:49 PM - Re: history of ultralights (Don Gherardini)
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| Subject: | Re: history of ultralights |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> John and fellow historians,
>
> I haven't had much time of late to follow the list. But this thread caught
> my attention and thought I'd toss in my recollections.
> I do agree with John on one major point: those were some good years!
>
> Dennis
Good Morning Dennis/Gang:
It is 0500 hours. That's 5:00 AM National Guard
time. I am working on my first cup of coffee. My
eyes are barely open. I do not normally get up at
0500 anymore. But this morning I am going to fly
one of Homer Kolb and Dennis Souder's creations
186 miles south to Lucedale, Mississippi, to
tighten up the torsional vibration dampner my Mark
III's (Miss P'fer) ("P" fer plane) 100hp 912S.
With luck I can be at Ronnie Smith's airstrip at
South Mississippi Light Aircraft in about 2.5
hours. The weather is "iffy" at this time. Still
need to call Flight Service for a weather briefing
before I load up my gear and depart. I will be
comfortable in my enclosed two place cockpit,
warmed by my electric vest powered by onboard 12V
power. This is 2003. Nineteen years ago I was
flying an Ultrastar for the first time. Wide open
cockpit with nothing around me but air. Read my
map and memorize headings and checkpoints because
I couldn't look at it while flying. Had to fold
it up and sit on it before takeoff. We have come
a long way since then.
Dennis, thanks for refreshing an tired ole memory
and sharing some of the Kolb history with us. You
were a big part of it for many years. Time goes
by so fast. So many things were accomplished in
such a short period of time. My first visit to
Sun and Fun was 1984. You were a young man
zipping around the skies of Lakeland Airport in
the fast, maneuverable, and beautiful Ultrastar.
I drooled on it for 7 days. I followed your every
move. I stood for hours at the fence for a chance
to see it fly and out perform everything in the
Ultralight Area. I took hundreds of pictures
because I had alread sent my check to Homer Kolb
for $3,495.00 for my first airplane kit. How
sweet it was. This was March 1984, and three
months later I had finished building my Ultrastar
and was ready for the first flight.
It is hard to believe how far we came and how
quickly. A short 10 years later, 1994, Miss P'fer
was landed at Dead Horse, Alaska.
Good to have you back. Don't stay away so long.
We need you to help us keep things straight.
Please give my regards to your family.
john h
PS: I miss those early years.
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| Subject: | Re: history of ultralights |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Dennis
I really enjoyed reading this piece of history. Thanks for sharing it with
us.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: history of ultralights
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
>
> John and fellow historians,
>
> I haven't had much time of late to follow the list. But this thread
caught
> my attention and thought I'd toss in my recollections.
>
> I could be wrong ... I'm old enough to not trust my memory like I used to.
> But John may have a more advanced case of the contagion than myself - but
> Homer did not start with hangliders. His first "ultralight" had 4 engines
> (either Chrysler or Mac 101's), it had a 12 ft wingspan and as I recall,
> Homer flew it very little because it was very HOT (55 mph stall as I
> recall), which is about what you would expect with a 12 ft span. He later
> increased the wingspan to 17 ft and removed one engine resulting in the
Kolb
> TriMotor. This one flew better, but it was still not a wholesome
aircraft.
> These 2 aircraft were high wing pushers with sort traditional aluminum
wings
> for the structure and skin. The next aircraft, while being similar in
> configuration, was a long hop from the first two. On the next iteration,
> Homer increased the span to 30+ feet and used 2 Mac 101's. This was the
> "Flyer" and it flew in the late 60's as I recall. This was the first "low
> and slow" aircraft and it was a fabric-covered wing. Compared to early
> ultralighting, Homer's designs were traditional.
>
> But even before the multi-engine configurations, Homer did some towing
with
> a glider (not a hang glider) behind a boat on the river. I recall one of
> these very early flights, I was in grade school at the time and we had
come
> north to Pa for a visit (my parents moved from PA to FL when I was 5).
The
> flight was very short because a wing support wire let go at the
attachment.
> Homer had used hardware store eyebolts (not welded) to anchor the wires
and
> it simply opened up and let go.
>
> Homer typically was more of a designer and builder than flyer of his
> experimental aircraft . counting by the hours anyway. The proto "Flyer"
was
> flown and then collected dust for many years. During this time Homer
played
> with the kites. I was around and saw some of the building of the 3 engine
> aircraft, but did not see it fly. But I did help to fly the hang gliders
he
> built, which we did around 1970. I remember because we used my 1967 VW
for
> some of the towing. We towed on Homer's runway. The VW made a great tow
> vehicle because of the rear bumper. We would have someone sit on the rear
> engine hood with his feet planted on the bumper. The towrope would have a
> turn or two taken around the round portion of the bumper and then it took
> very little pressure to hold the rope. The rope-holder was facing aft and
> could keep a careful watch on what was happening and could instruct the
> drive to speed-up, slow down or whatever.
>
> We just hung from our armpits on two parallel aluminum tubes. You could
> move forward and aft, but it wasn't particularly easy; and you could put
> more pressure on one side or the other to do some shallow turns. Two
> friends of Homer, John and Andy Longacre (they were brothers) flew it more
> than anyone. I was one of the first to do a free flight, sans towrope -
> mainly due to my ineptness at flying the thing. I was too far back on the
> tubes and it climbed to high and the rope-holder released the rope because
> of the steep angle of the rope. I don't recall how I recovered . luckily
I
> didn't stall and crash. One time, either John or Andy got too high on one
> flight and could not get it down in time and flew into the pond at the end
> of Homer's airstrip.
>
> When Homer was got tired of this new toy, he went back to the flyer and
> recovered it and got it flying again. About this time he was bugging me
to
> help him get a business started. I was still in college studying
mechanical
> engineering and I wasn't really interested. As I would stop by on
> occasional visits he would typically mention about starting the business
> thing. In the late 70's I decided to go to Oshkosh and that was the year
> Homer decided to take his newly recovered Flyer. I got pretty excited
about
> ultralights and came close to buying a Quick or a Pterodactyl. But when
we
> got back Homer was all excited about the reception his Flyer had received
> and when he started talking about starting a business, I listened more
> carefully and eventually agreed and we incorporated in 1979 and Kolb Co.
got
> going in 1980. I started flying the Flyer that fall and I can still
recall
> that first flight with those two unmuffled Mac 101's screaming in both my
> ears. I did not get to fly it for long though, Andy Longacre was also
> flying it some and on one flight he did not gain altitude like he should
> have and tried a turn at the end of the runway and crashed it. End of the
> Flyer - Andy was not hurt at all. I was upset because now I had nothing
to
> fly. So that winter we built another and took it to SNF. Andy did
penance
> and towed the new Flyer to SNF for us. It was Andy, by the way, the came
up
> with the name UltraStar. We were driving back from one of the SNF shows
and
> we were brainstorming about a name and we were getting close to it, but it
> was Andy that put the words together and UltraStar was officially named.
>
> The Flyer gave us a start, but almost immediately we started thinking
about
> something else and it was only a couple years before we had the UltraStar
> and it was a major success.
>
> Hope this helps puts some things into perspective. I think my recounting
of
> the early chronology (before the Kolb Co years) is close - but I could be
> mixed up a bit too, I'll check next time I see Homer.
>
> I do agree with John on one major point: those were some good years!
>
> Dennis
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: nose heavy mk III |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
At 11:05 PM 2/28/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
>
>2/28/03 15:51woody
>
> > Will that interfere with the foldability of the tail?
>============================
>
>Don't think so. Can't see why it would not fold ok with a different angle.
>It should pivot ok.
I just wondered if the original hinge points will hit the leading edge
of the stabilizer as it is folded up or if they will puncture the fabric
(depending on where they hit.)
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| Subject: | Re: 447 New vs Rebuild |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
Send your engine to Tom Olenik and have him over haul it. What's the
condition of the bottom end - 600 hrs, has the bearing & crank been
replaced? If so Tom can replace the seals if that's all it needs.
Tom has a very high customer satisfaction rating on the UL list. He does
excellent work and provides the same level in documentation he returns with
the engine. You have a good core which to me is the key of a good
engine. Talk to him about his flat rate over haul where he replaces
specific parts and off sets the cost by reduced labor normally spent
measuring tolerances of the old parts. When he's done you have a solid
engine with many of the high wear parts at new factory tolerances rather
than reusing parts at max service limits. It's a neat program he has
pulled together. He'll do what you want but he will do it right. Request
that you want you engine back, not exchange. Visit his web site by
clicking on the link below. Your not going to find anything much better
than Tom.
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com/rotax.htm
jerb
At 09:36 PM 2/28/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: <buckeridge1@mindspring.com>
>
>OK Guys...and Gals,
> You are all smarter than me so I need an opinion. The time has come
> to think about doing something with my 447. It has 600+ hours and given
> me remarkable service for almost ten years. Three weeks ago the pull
> starter rope broke again but this time I noticed a little oil inside the
> cover ... the seal is leaking. I did a top-end on the engine a little
> over 200 hours ago. Cleaned off the carbon, replaced the rings with new
> original size, and also replaced the bearings. That is the only thing
> I've done to the engine in all this time. The question is whether I
> should bite the bullet and just buy a new one or try to get someone to
> rebuild the old one for me. Has anyone had experience in this
> scenario? Either way it looks like a lot of money but can an engine
> really be rebuilt to better than new? Do I buy new CDI and new gearbox
> or does that stuff never fail? What about the crank?
>
> Thanks,
> Buck
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: history of ultralights |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
>
> >>
>> Hope this helps puts some things into perspective. I think my
>> recounting of
>> the early chronology (before the Kolb Co years) is close - but I
>> could be
>> mixed up a bit too, I'll check next time I see Homer.
>>
>> I do agree with John on one major point: those were some good years!
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>
Thank you Dennis for replying with information in regards to some of the Kolb
history, with Homer. With all the talk on the list lately about Homer, I
kept saying to myself, "where are you Dennis"? Then I hear this faint
chainsaw sound getting louder, I turn and look over the trees and "BAMB"
there you come. High speed dive, steep climb out with agressive bank, going
for enough altitude to do another loop! Or , as you put it, "those were
some good years"!
Do you realise how many times, Homer and Dennis were used in the same
sentence over the past 20 yrs.?
Some time , when you get a minute, let us know a little about yourself as
far as what you are up to, do you attend any fly-ins, do you get to fly at
all, etc?
Fly Safe
Bob Griffin
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| Subject: | Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
Tom,
What's going on here with the 447. Having two of these air pumps I'm a
little concerned about what I just heard. It is true, Rotax is not
providing service parts for the engine (replacement crank) - or is it their
charging so much for it, it forces owners to buy another engine?
It may be time to rally the troops and rattle Rotax's ear a little at Sun &
Fun.
2Si, it may be your opportunity to grab market share. Can they get it
together and produce a engine that holds together? Hirth can't seem to do
it and 2Si hasn't had much better success.
jerb
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| Subject: | RE: [cgshawk] Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Olenik" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
jerb,
They are not selling enough 447's to justify making them in the eyes of
Rotax. The crankshafts have not been available for the older 377/477's for
several years because they stopped making them. The justification was that
they had not sold very many of them, but the reason they didn't sell any is
because that engine lasts so long on the crank that they are just now
starting to need them. We can still get all of the parts for the current
production engine, but I have been told to not count on it being around in
the future regardless of what happens to part 103 or sport pilot. In other
words, don't be designing any aircraft around it which is what the context
of the conversation was.
Concerning 2SI, I think they have actually been outselling the 447 in that
power class and they ARE holding together. The kitfox lite uses the 2SI
engine almost exclusively and the only problems they seem to have are
because Skystar sends it out with a prop that is grossly under loading the
engine. The prop they are putting on there is a 60x28 where they should be
using a 60x32 or even a 60x34. Once the owners get a good adjustable pitch
prop, they are much happier with it.
Think about it....if you are building a single place part 103 legal
ultralight, you are probably not going to need a charging system. 2SI will
sell the engine with or without that charging system which is a 5 pound
difference. When you use their belt drive you are then saving 12 pounds
total off the weight of a 447 with gearbox and the power isn't that much
different. 12 pounds will make a lot of fat UL's with 447's legal UL's.
Also, when you have a problem, and every engine will eventually have a
problem if you run it long enough, the parts are 1/3 the price to fix the
2SI and the labor is 2/3 the price because it's so much simpler of an
engine. I had a new mechanic take appart two of them in as many hours
yesterday. He had never even seen one before and was simply following the
outdated manual. These were two old ULII02's that have probably been
sitting for 15 years. The current 2SI 430FE-35 is almost identical to the
ULII02 except that it uses a different brand of ignition and a Bing carb.
BTW, at least one of these ULII02's is going to be going back together maybe
this week and will be available for sale. Don't know how much yet. I have
not measured clearances on the other one yet to see if we can get good
clearances, but maybe that one will be available too if it can be overhauled
economically.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
877-AIR-MOTORS ...we support what we sell.
-----Original Message-----
From: jerb [mailto:ulflyer@airmail.net]
Subject: [cgshawk] Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377
Tom,
What's going on here with the 447. Having two of these air pumps I'm a
little concerned about what I just heard. It is true, Rotax is not
providing service parts for the engine (replacement crank) - or is it their
charging so much for it, it forces owners to buy another engine?
It may be time to rally the troops and rattle Rotax's ear a little at Sun &
Fun.
2Si, it may be your opportunity to grab market share. Can they get it
together and produce a engine that holds together? Hirth can't seem to do
it and 2Si hasn't had much better success.
jerb
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
3/1/03 7:05woody
> I just wondered if the original hinge points will hit the leading edge
> of the stabilizer as it is folded up or if they will puncture the fabric
> (depending on where they hit.)
====================
Good point! I can devise a simple cover over them, and if the new hinge
location is as much better as I think, then the old ones can be just filed
down.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: [cgshawk] Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Tom, speaking of 2si...ULII02's and such...Maybe you can help me with some
thing I have been wondering about. I have the ULIIO2 service manuals cd
from ZDE and I notice the power listed at 38...with a 42hp version in there
somewhere with dual carbs.
What is the difference exactly between the UII02 and the new 35 hp 2si
version?....is it port timing?..bore/stroke/?...if so that indicates to me
that a ULII02 jug and piston assembly is different.
Will a ULII02 piston fit in a new 2si jug?..
Can you use an ULII02 exhaust system on the new 2si?
Will the new jugs fit on the old block?
Can you use a new 2si electric starter on the ULII02, and if so..how much
weight does it add vs a rope start /belt redrive? I heard you cant use an
electric start with a belt redrive on this engine..
I have a single carb ULII02 single carb for use on my FireFly (Mikuni/cdi)
and I have 2 props . 1 is a 62 inch 3 blade sport prop and the other is a 60
inch IVO 3 blade. In your post you mention props..were you talking about a
2 blade or a 3 blade 60 "?.....which would you recommend using?...The IVO
could be used with 2 blades only...the sport prop cannot. Due to the shorter
more compact config of the ULII02 with the belt re-drive, I notice when i
put it up there on the Firefly...the center of the engine must set 4 or 5
inches aft of the where the center of the 447 geardrive would to achieve 5
inchs of prop/trailing edge clearance. it seems a prop extension would be in
order...How long an extension can you use on a new 2si belt drive?
and ditto on those prices!...I ordered a complete overhaul gasket set for
the ULII02.,,seals an all...30 bucks or something. .WOW.....how about them
prices rotax fans!
And finally...the static rpm load...in my mind I'm thinking of adjusting the
prop to load the engine to 6500 rpm static (test stand). Does that seem
about right to you?
What EGT would you consider correct on full load on the test stand?
Gettin kinda long...making me feel guilty...If you answer all this I'm gonna
owe you shop time Tom!
need any Honda general purpose indus engine parts?!!!!!Ill see you get
treated right!
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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| Subject: | Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
3/1/03 7:58jerb
> 2Si, it may be your opportunity to grab market share.
=========================
Exactly! and I hope they succeed. I don't see why americans should spend
lots of $$$$ to offset the socialist labor costs of the Austrians.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Don's ULII02 questions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Olenik" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
Don,
The current 2SI 430FE-35 is identical in both power and design to the ULII02
except a different brand of ignition and a different brand of carburetor.
That is the only difference. The 460F-35 has a larger bore, but they never
changed anything else in that engine. So it really didn't make more power
and was harder to tune just like the 447 is harder to tune than the 377 and
for the same reasons. They are going back to the original 67.5mm bore in
all of there engines now so that every engine will use the same
piston....the same one that your ULII02 uses. That makes it nice for the
guy who has to keep them in stock. :-)
Every part of the ULII02 and the current 430FE is interchangeable except if
you wanted to switch ignition parts, you would have to switch the whole
ignition.
Yes, the electric starter can be added, but you are right...it will not work
with the belt drive. I guess they figure that if you are not trying to save
weight, you would be using the gearbox anyway....and the current gearbox
will work on the older engine as well as the older gearbox working on the
newer engine. The only thing you need to watch out for there is if you have
an older gearbox, it should not be used on the 690L-70.
The props that I was talking about were all two blade props. A 60" 2-blade
adjustable prop would be fine, but the longer the better in most cases. My
ideal prop on the 2.5:1 belt drive would be a 68" 2-blade. Also, I am not a
fan of prop extensions on ANY drive, and I'm told that only props that flex
a lot like the Ivo need that 5 inches you are talking about. A Powerfin or
GSC probably would not need that much. Prop extensions will magnify the
harmful effects of propeller inertia and vibration caused from any deviation
in the blade balancing.
Your static RPM should be lower than what you would see with a Rotax because
that engine makes it's rated power at 300 RPM lower than a Rotax 447. That
is precisely the problem the Kitfox Lite guys were having. Skystar was
trying to load it like they would a Rotax. If you add dual carbs, it should
turn a little faster, but with the single carb, rated power will be at
around 6200 RPM. So if you load it to anywhere between 6000 and 6200
static, that would be fine depending on what you are trying to accomplish,
cruise or climb.
1200F would be EGT limit, but I like to jet all my 2-stroke aircraft engines
as rich as they will run smoothly. That will give the engine the longest
life.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
877-AIR-MOTORS ...we support what we sell.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Gherardini
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: [cgshawk] Is the 447 going the way of the
277 & 377
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Tom, speaking of 2si...ULII02's and such...Maybe you can help me with some
thing I have been wondering about. I have the ULIIO2 service manuals cd
from ZDE and I notice the power listed at 38...with a 42hp version in there
somewhere with dual carbs.
What is the difference exactly between the UII02 and the new 35 hp 2si
version?....is it port timing?..bore/stroke/?...if so that indicates to me
that a ULII02 jug and piston assembly is different.
Will a ULII02 piston fit in a new 2si jug?..
Can you use an ULII02 exhaust system on the new 2si?
Will the new jugs fit on the old block?
Can you use a new 2si electric starter on the ULII02, and if so..how much
weight does it add vs a rope start /belt redrive? I heard you cant use an
electric start with a belt redrive on this engine..
I have a single carb ULII02 single carb for use on my FireFly (Mikuni/cdi)
and I have 2 props . 1 is a 62 inch 3 blade sport prop and the other is a 60
inch IVO 3 blade. In your post you mention props..were you talking about a
2 blade or a 3 blade 60 "?.....which would you recommend using?...The IVO
could be used with 2 blades only...the sport prop cannot. Due to the shorter
more compact config of the ULII02 with the belt re-drive, I notice when i
put it up there on the Firefly...the center of the engine must set 4 or 5
inches aft of the where the center of the 447 geardrive would to achieve 5
inchs of prop/trailing edge clearance. it seems a prop extension would be in
order...How long an extension can you use on a new 2si belt drive?
and ditto on those prices!...I ordered a complete overhaul gasket set for
the ULII02.,,seals an all...30 bucks or something. .WOW.....how about them
prices rotax fans!
And finally...the static rpm load...in my mind I'm thinking of adjusting the
prop to load the engine to 6500 rpm static (test stand). Does that seem
about right to you?
What EGT would you consider correct on full load on the test stand?
Gettin kinda long...making me feel guilty...If you answer all this I'm gonna
owe you shop time Tom!
need any Honda general purpose indus engine parts?!!!!!Ill see you get
treated right!
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hans vanAlphen" <hva@bellsouth.net>
Paul,
The BMW has a "Shock Absorber Cam" in the transmission, similar to what you
describe in the Harley.
I was not able to use that part easily in my conversion, but I think that
would be an excellent part to use to fight the Torsional vibrations, it
almost acts as a Sprague clutch.
I would recommend a higher reduction gear ratio, I use 3:1 , our props are
most efficient at 1600-2000 rpm.
Hans van Alphen
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
> .....snip.....
> Something you may not know about these engines. The have a compensating
drive sprocket.
> It's a three finger cam gizmo that has a stout spring that allows the
> drive sprocket to "give" 30 or so degrees either way to absorb the "power
pulses
> perhaps?"...........snip
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| Subject: | Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Duncan McBride <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
Maybe because they build good engines? I really don't want to start a big
discussion about economics, but the reason Rotax gets as much as they do for
their engines is that they can. Doesn't have anything to do with socialism.
Actually, Austria is not a socialist country - it has a market economy, a
very successful one. It has one of the highest per capita GDP in the EEU, a
lower infant mortality rate than the US, and a higher life expectancy. I'd
bet they have a higher literacy rate, too, but I didn't take the time to
look that up. Bottom line is, the Austrians tested the market, saw the
future better than any manufacturer in the US, got their act together and
now they're selling a great product and making a lot of money. If you have
a problem with that, who's being anti-capitalist?
Sorry to jump on the soapbox. Everybody has something that sets them off,
with me it's bad economics.
Besides, I get so much help about Kolbs on the list, I just want to give
back when I can. ;<)
----- Original Message -----
From: "CaptainRon" <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
I don't see why americans should spend
lots of $$$$ to offset the socialist labor costs of the Austrians.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> > 2Si, it may be your opportunity to grab market share.
> =========================
>
> Exactly! and I hope they succeed. I don't see why americans should spend
> lots of $$$$ to offset the socialist labor costs of the Austrians.
Ron/Gang:
Before that will happen, someone must be able to
supply a product that is equal to or better than
the Rotax. I fly what I fly because I am
comfortable and have faith in its reliability. I
am not about to downgrade to less reliability.
The new market will have to prove what they want
to sell.
It ain't the Austrians that are getting rich. I
think it might be a French/Canadian in the Bahamas
that owns Rotax (the ultralight/lightplane side of
the house). In addition to charging extremely
high prices for their products, they probably have
found a loop hole to get by US import taxes, among
other things.
Musing at hauck's holler, alabama.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Don's ULII02 questions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> 1200F would be EGT limit, but I like to jet all my 2-stroke aircraft engines
> as rich as they will run smoothly. That will give the engine the longest
> life.
>
> Tom Olenik
Tom/Gang:
Now you have gone and upset Jack Hart. That is
exactly the opposite way he tunes his two
strokes. hehehe
john h
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| Subject: | Re: 447 New vs Rebuild |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
Tom, i'am sure you will be getting a lot of questions after your post. i have
one
for you if you don't mind answering..what year do you consider to be an old 447
rotax
engine? my serial # on mine is 3910097...i think that is about a 1991.....can you
check
your books on that.
thanks in advance,
Gary r. voigt
Tom Olenik wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Olenik" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
>
> Buck,
>
> I don't envy your position. Is this a provision four 447? If so, Rotax
> really screwed you. I don't know if I would give them a second chance. An
> older 447 can not be rebuilt to approved standards because Rotax no longer
> offers the crankshaft. The 447 crank is really a 600 hour crank, but you
> have that already. The 447 is still a very low seller and definitely on the
> endangered species list. Don't be surprised if it gets discontinued and the
> guys buying 447's today will be abandoned by the time they need crankshafts
> too.
>
> However, if you do have a provision 8 engine, then yes, it is possible to
> rebuild one to better than new condition mechanically....maybe not
> cosmetically. It's not cheap, but every single component that wears in that
> engine can be replaced, and when we do one at a time like that, we can put
> it together with much better precision than it can be done practically on an
> assembly line. With most reputable shops you also get a detailed service
> record with that overhaul that states the exact tolerances that everything
> was set up at. You can view a few examples of those on my web site. Such a
> record can come in handy if you ever decide to sell your plane. It can
> really impress a buyer if they can see exactly what the piston clearances
> and such were at a specific point in the engine's life.
>
> Tom Olenik
> Olenik Aviation
> http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
> 877-AIR-MOTORS ...we support what we sell......except prov. 4 447 cranks
> which we are really pissed at Rotax about.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> buckeridge1@mindspring.com
> To: KOLB LIST
> Subject: Kolb-List: 447 New vs Rebuild
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: <buckeridge1@mindspring.com>
>
> OK Guys...and Gals,
> You are all smarter than me so I need an opinion. The time has come to
> think about doing something with my 447. It has 600+ hours and given me
> remarkable service for almost ten years. Three weeks ago the pull starter
> rope broke again but this time I noticed a little oil inside the cover ...
> the seal is leaking. I did a top-end on the engine a little over 200 hours
> ago. Cleaned off the carbon, replaced the rings with new original size, and
> also replaced the bearings. That is the only thing I've done to the engine
> in all this time. The question is whether I should bite the bullet and just
> buy a new one or try to get someone to rebuild the old one for me. Has
> anyone had experience in this scenario? Either way it looks like a lot of
> money but can an engine really be rebuilt to better than new? Do I buy new
> CDI and new gearbox or does that stuff never fail? What about the crank?
>
> Thanks,
> Buck
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: William George <wgeorge@mountainmeadowranch.com>
Just like the Verner ;-) It has a belt drive with a big rubber torsion
dampener to handle those giant power pulses.
BTW, Hans, your BMW is a very, very nice installation.
Bill George
Kolb Mk-3/Verner1400SVS/Powerfin 68" "F"
do not archive
> From: Kolb-List Digest Server <kolb-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:56:15 -0800
> To: Kolb-List Digest List <kolb-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 42 Msgs - 02/28/03
>
> It is great to be a pioneer, I though I was, until I found that others
> preceded me in Europe with the development of the BMW engine.
>
> First of all you MUST use a reduction gear. PRSU.
>
> The greatest concern is not vibration, but TORSIONAL vibration, it needs to
> be dealt with or failure is imminent. And torsional are magnified when you
> add a prop.
>
> See how the Geo engine destroyed the Rotax C gearbox in just a few hours.
> Read about torsional vibration on the geo site and here...
>
> www.sportflight.com/kfb/torsion.htm
>
> I do use the Rotax C gear box on the BMW boxer engine. First I used a
> centrifugal clutch, the RK 400, but it failed with the inflight adjustable
> Ivo prop.
> Replaced it with a heavier flywheel to dampen the torsionals. So far so
> good.
>
> If I were going to design a reduction drive from scratch I would use a Gates
> Poly Chain or GoodYear Eagle PD belt drive.
>
> www.goodyearindustrialproducts.com/polyurethanebelts/eagle.html
>
> Remember these belts have no stretch in them and you will need additional
> torsional vibration insulation with a donut or sorts.
>
> A lot to think about....... Good luck.
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| Subject: | Tom's rich jetting |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
At 12:45 PM 3/1/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Olenik"
><olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
>
>
>1200F would be EGT limit, but I like to jet all my 2-stroke aircraft engines
>as rich as they will run smoothly. That will give the engine the longest
>life.
>
>Tom Olenik
>Olenik Aviation
>http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
>877-AIR-MOTORS ...we support what we sell.
Interesting. I would have thought that jetting as rich as possible would
fill the ring grooves, exhaust ports, piston tops, & cylinder head chambers
with carbon quicker, so I am interested to hear why you think rich jetting
prolongs engine life.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Hauck's Web Page |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Kolbers:
My son, Mike, has put my 1994, 2000, and 2001,
Alaska and US perimeter flights on a real web
page. Unlike my index page, which I uploaded
basic files, because I didn't know how to do it
any differently, my new web page has the pictures
with the articles and pages are linked. A couple
are dead links, but Mike says he can get those
sorted out in time. Right now to go from page to
page one must hit the back button to go back and
link to the next page. A little more work, for
now, but will be fixed soon.
http://webpages.charter.net/bird82/
There are a couple pictures that do not agree with
the captions. One is captioned Avra Valley
Airport, AZ. The picture is Atigun Pass, Alaska.
This will also be corrected.
I hope you enjoy the articles.
Additional thanks goes to Dana Labhart for
building the basic web pages for the New Kolb
Company web site, and Mike Richardson of the Kolb
List who volunteered to sort out the files, and my
Mike for providing the web space and uploading for
me.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | 447 New vs Rebuild |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Olenik" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
The Rotax 447 previous to SN 3793688 and the Rotax 377 previous to SN
3850528 are no longer fully supported by Rotax.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
877-AIR-MOTORS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gary robert
voigt
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 447 New vs Rebuild
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt"
<johndeereantique@qwest.net>
Tom, i'am sure you will be getting a lot of questions after your post.
i have one
for you if you don't mind answering..what year do you consider to be an old
447 rotax
engine? my serial # on mine is 3910097...i think that is about a
1991.....can you check
your books on that.
thanks in advance,
Gary r. voigt
Tom Olenik wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Olenik"
<olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
>
> Buck,
>
> I don't envy your position. Is this a provision four 447? If so, Rotax
> really screwed you. I don't know if I would give them a second chance.
An
> older 447 can not be rebuilt to approved standards because Rotax no longer
> offers the crankshaft. The 447 crank is really a 600 hour crank, but you
> have that already. The 447 is still a very low seller and definitely on
the
> endangered species list. Don't be surprised if it gets discontinued and
the
> guys buying 447's today will be abandoned by the time they need
crankshafts
> too.
>
> However, if you do have a provision 8 engine, then yes, it is possible to
> rebuild one to better than new condition mechanically....maybe not
> cosmetically. It's not cheap, but every single component that wears in
that
> engine can be replaced, and when we do one at a time like that, we can put
> it together with much better precision than it can be done practically on
an
> assembly line. With most reputable shops you also get a detailed service
> record with that overhaul that states the exact tolerances that everything
> was set up at. You can view a few examples of those on my web site. Such
a
> record can come in handy if you ever decide to sell your plane. It can
> really impress a buyer if they can see exactly what the piston clearances
> and such were at a specific point in the engine's life.
>
> Tom Olenik
> Olenik Aviation
> http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
> 877-AIR-MOTORS ...we support what we sell......except prov. 4 447 cranks
> which we are really pissed at Rotax about.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> buckeridge1@mindspring.com
> To: KOLB LIST
> Subject: Kolb-List: 447 New vs Rebuild
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: <buckeridge1@mindspring.com>
>
> OK Guys...and Gals,
> You are all smarter than me so I need an opinion. The time has come
to
> think about doing something with my 447. It has 600+ hours and given me
> remarkable service for almost ten years. Three weeks ago the pull starter
> rope broke again but this time I noticed a little oil inside the cover ...
> the seal is leaking. I did a top-end on the engine a little over 200
hours
> ago. Cleaned off the carbon, replaced the rings with new original size,
and
> also replaced the bearings. That is the only thing I've done to the engine
> in all this time. The question is whether I should bite the bullet and
just
> buy a new one or try to get someone to rebuild the old one for me. Has
> anyone had experience in this scenario? Either way it looks like a lot of
> money but can an engine really be rebuilt to better than new? Do I buy
new
> CDI and new gearbox or does that stuff never fail? What about the crank?
>
> Thanks,
> Buck
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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| Subject: | Tom's rich jetting |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Olenik" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
Not with a decent oil. In the old days maybe, but with most good oils and
running oil injection, the engine stays clean. Also carbon does not wear
out the engine and only becomes a problem when it is excessive. Most
engines need new seals and gaskets before carbon is an issue.
If you are running an engine that has cheap parts that you don't have to
rely on, then carbon is your worst enemy because the labor to scrape carbon
is so much. With these engines, I can scrape a lot of carbon, buy a lot of
extra fuel, and buy a lot of extra spark plugs for what an in flight piston
seizure might cost. So carbon is of secondary concern.
Running rich burns more fuel, makes a little more carbon, needs plugs
changed more often. However, running too lean makes more power and will
make the engine run the best it every has right up to the second that it
quits. Too rich...runs rough. Too lean...quits.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
877-247-6686
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Subject: Kolb-List: Tom's rich jetting
Interesting. I would have thought that jetting as rich as possible would
fill the ring grooves, exhaust ports, piston tops, & cylinder head chambers
with carbon quicker, so I am interested to hear why you think rich jetting
prolongs engine life.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
New carb and fine tuning paid off. Running on it's own now and fairly smooth.Because
the engine is "unloaded" you can't hardly crack the throttle at all or it
will hit 10 grand before you know it! Ran it up to about 3 grand and let me
tell you, this is one mean mammy jammy! Vibration levels are weird. at idle it
just chug a lugs fine. Then at say 1500 rpm it will walk the stand all over the
shop. Then at (I'm guessing) 2000 it smoothes out and just hit's like a jack
hammer. I really doubt this engine will be a fit for a Kolb however, we sure
are having fun with it. I will have a digital video soon to share with all. But
for now let me describe, when you start it, it goes BANG! then rotates a few
revs then takes off on a smooth idle like a radial. A real crowd pleaser!! I
have it fitted with 8" stack's for exhaust. Ear plugs required. No doubt a beast.
Will keep those interested posted.John Hauck has offered a prop and after Mr. Hans
has given me some new direction on ratios, I have to reorder a sprocket for
the driveline. Can't go down on the counter sprocket so it's up with the drive
sprocket. May just abandon the chain approach and use a belt and pulley drive
so I don't break anything. I'm thinking V belt so it can slip until we can
get a indication of just how this thing may play out. Any ideas?
pp.....
Redneck Research Labs.......
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| Subject: | Tom's rich jetting |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Tom,
What EGTs do you recommend at cruise speed?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
3/1/03 12:50Duncan McBride
> Maybe because they build good engines?
They build expensive engines, which are no better than the alternatives,
whenever there are alternatives. When they first entered the US market they
were a breath of fresh air as all there was, was the Cuyana or Kawasaki, and
some others, all were maligned because most people didn't have a clue about
how to treat a 2cycle. I'll agree and say that the old Cuyana didn't seem to
have the heft, nor marketing, nor commitment to aviation that Rotax brought.
They didn't seem to understand that this Ultralight business, is big, and
getting bigger. Two or three years after Rotax came in Cuyana kinda
evaporated. Just bad management. All that was left essentially was Rotax.
They have a monopoly. We still thought back then that the Europians built
better stuff than here. Too much Mercedes and BMW ads. Too many went gaga
over Rotax. Now they are #1 and they are squeezing!
Austria;
Telephon Service,, government owned. National
Health insurance national.
Television, (Radio may also be gov owned) national.
Railway system National.
School system national (inclusive of books)
They even pay a religion tax, that pays for church and salary.
I think even their airline was or still is nationalized
There is proabably a lot more.
It take$ a lot of tax to pay for all of that. :-)
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| Subject: | Miss P'fer Stretches Her Wings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Kolbers:
Had to cancel my flight down to Lucedale, MS,
today because of IFR weather. Luckily, will be
able to get out of here early tomorrow morning. I
am not an early riser and 0500 is too darn early
to be getting up to look out the window at the
fog. Well, actually, I had to wait until after
0600 to see that it was froggy outside. After a
call to FSS, in Greenwood, MS, I was convinced I
did not want to scud run for 186 miles south and
186 miles back north. Getting too old for that
kinda flying.
However, around noon today the ceiling crept up to
near 1,000 feet at Gantt International Airport. I
could see all the way to Kim's country store,
combination gas station, cafe, and bank, about 3
miles from Gantt. My son Mike and his buddy were
about 40 miles SW of Gantt searching for indian
relics along the Alabama River, near Selma,
Alabama. Decided to see if I had enough weather
to fly down that way to find the two Mikes.
Thirty minutes or so later, I was in the vicinity
of where I thought they might be. They had put in
the river in two kayaks to get to the location
they were to search. I looked down and there were
two men in a field right under the airplane. From
1,000 feet couldn't tell if it was the two Mikes
or not. I was looking for two guys in two
kayaks. At tree top level the fugitives were
ID'd. Mike signaled not to try a landing in the
field he was standing in. To me his signals
looked like he wanted me to land. Knowing Mike's
aviation background, zilch, I did a quick recon of
the area, picking the hayfield right next to the
corn stubble field they were in. Full flaps, skim
over the tree line, and Miss P'fer is on the
ground and rolling out. Well, she rolled a
hundred feet or so. Did not want to use full
braking in an unknown field. This was a unique
meeting out in the middle of nowhere 40 miles from
my airstrip.
I recon'd the local area for them. They like
freshly tilled fields, right after a good rain.
Confirmed there were no good fields in their local
area, saving them 3 mile walk out and back.
Really enjoyed my flight back home. I got to see
several dozen deer running across the field where
I landed. Most of them were carrying full racks.
A beautiful site. Thanks to Homer Kolb and Dennis
Souder, I feel really blessed to be able to build
something in my basement, then fly all over God's
green earth in it.
Now the two Mikes have a safety system. Should
they get sick or injured in that area, all it will
take is a cell phone call, take the coordinates
off their GPS, put them in my GPS, and I can be in
their area in less than an hour. With the number
of local hay fields, I can land, load up the
patient, and fly them back to civilization.
The above would take hours for an ambulance to
find and recover them. The Mark III has a purpose
in life.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Is anyone else getting these pop-ups in the middle of the screen from Microsoft,
that apologize for the inconvenience, and why don't you sign up for their software
to prevent such terrible inconvenience ????? Spam is one thing, and a
royal pain, but this....................??? Pain isn't even close, and profanity
wouldn't even come close to expressing the outrage I feel. I wouldn't buy
their software now, if I had to throw the computer away. Isn't there any way
to bypass this insult ?? At least with spam, you can hit delete, without it
interfering with what you're doing. Royally P.O.'ed Lar.
DO NOT ARCHIVE ! ! ! ! !
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
That's a nice attitude but what is the alternative. Hirth hasn't been able
to deliver that dependable of an engine and 2Si's history isn't much
better. I would love to see 2Si step up to the plate but I don't feel they
take the market seriously. I value my 10K airplane plus labor and my butt,
and don't like risking it with engines that haven't demonstrated a high
degree of reliability. I know Rotax has had it's dog days but the others
have been around for a long time and should by now have reached a higher
degree of reliability than experienced by owners in the field. I don't
like paying the Rotax prices and for sure the prices increases that we've
seen in the last two years, but I feel I could help 2Si (a US company) if
they would step up and get the job finished.
jerb
At 10:06 AM 3/1/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
>
>3/1/03 7:58jerb
>
> > 2Si, it may be your opportunity to grab market share.
>=========================
>
>Exactly! and I hope they succeed. I don't see why americans should spend
>lots of $$$$ to offset the socialist labor costs of the Austrians.
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Hauck Web Page II |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Gang:
Forgot to mention. I left the sponsors of my 2000
and 2001 flight listed on the web page. Also
those that donated money for Flight Patches. If
for some reason your name is not on the donators
list, let me know and I will get it posted.
Right off I realized that some names had been
dropped somehow. I could not find Homer and Clara
Kolb.
Hopefully, I will find time to write a short
article about the successful 2001 flight to
Barrow. It will also be posted to the page
sometime in the future.
Would also be a good place to post a Homer Kolb
history page.
Won't be accomplished anytime in the near future
though. Got some flying, traveling, and dirt bike
riding to get done first. yippee!!!
Oh, I forgot. Still got all those house repairs
and projects to finish that I put on hold back in
1984 when I started building ultralights. Said I
would get them done just as soon as I got my
Ultrastar finished.
Well........................................
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Tom's rich jetting |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Olenik" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
It varies from engine to engine, but generally the Rotax specification for
normal operating range is appropriate. That is 860 - 1080 for the 447 or
503 and 930 - 1150 for the 582.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
877-247-6686
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jack & Louise
Hart
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Tom's rich jetting
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Tom,
What EGTs do you recommend at cruise speed?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Correction, Again....... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Ya'll:
:-)
I screwed up, again..............I found "Clara
and Homer Kolb" on the list of patch donators.
Oh well, check out the list to make sure you are
on there is you donated.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Download the free pop-up stopper from
http://www.panicware.com. Enjoy.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Do Not Archive
At 06:11 PM 3/1/03 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>Is anyone else getting these pop-ups in the middle of the screen from
>Microsoft, that apologize for the inconvenience, and why don't you sign up
>for their software to prevent such terrible inconvenience ????? Spam is
>one thing, and a royal pain, but this....................??? Pain isn't
>even close, and profanity wouldn't even come close to expressing the
>outrage I feel. I wouldn't buy their software now, if I had to throw the
>computer away. Isn't there any way to bypass this insult ?? At least
>with spam, you can hit delete, without it interfering with what you're
>doing. Royally P.O.'ed Lar. DO NOT ARCHIVE ! ! ! ! !
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>
>
Help Stop Spam!
Delete all address information (especially mine) off everything you
forward, and make Blind Carbon Copy a way of life.
Thanks! And have a blessed day.
rp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hugh" <hmhumes@attbi.com>
Or you could just disable the "messenger" service in the Services manager.
I was getting the same annoying popups right after I signed with my current
provider. It worked for me. :-)
Hugh
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Non-Kolb
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> Download the free pop-up stopper from
> http://www.panicware.com. Enjoy.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> At 06:11 PM 3/1/03 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> >Is anyone else getting these pop-ups in the middle of the screen from
> >Microsoft, that apologize for the inconvenience, and why don't you sign
up
> >for their software to prevent such terrible inconvenience ????? Spam is
> >one thing, and a royal pain, but this....................??? Pain isn't
> >even close, and profanity wouldn't even come close to expressing the
> >outrage I feel. I wouldn't buy their software now, if I had to throw the
> >computer away. Isn't there any way to bypass this insult ?? At least
> >with spam, you can hit delete, without it interfering with what you're
> >doing. Royally P.O.'ed Lar. DO NOT ARCHIVE ! ! !
! !
> >
> >Larry Bourne
> >Palm Springs, CA
> >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> >www.gogittum.com
> >
> >
>
>
> Help Stop Spam!
> Delete all address information (especially mine) off everything you
> forward, and make Blind Carbon Copy a way of life.
> Thanks! And have a blessed day.
> rp
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Miss P'fer Stretches Her Wings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 08:00 PM 3/1/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>Hi Kolbers:
>
>Had to cancel my flight down to Lucedale, MS,
>today because of IFR weather.
Anybody going to "fly" to Sun & Fun from the southeast??.
Or want to stop by St. Geo. Island on the way down.
Or St. Simmons Island on the way back up the coast.
We are still trying to plan a trip - just for fun.
We ain't killed nobody in the last 3 years.
http://www.georgiasportflyers.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Miss P'fer Stretches Her Wings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Possum/Gang:
> Anybody going to "fly" to Sun & Fun from the southeast??.
Yes. I am and John Williamson, Kolbra/Jabiru is
planning to fly down from Dallas.
> Or want to stop by St. Geo. Island on the way down.
I bet I could do that. Let us know where ya'll's
cabin is going to be so I can buzz it and you can
come pick me up at the airstrip.
> Or St. Simmons Island on the way back up the coast.
Same same St Simmons.
I'll wear my Official Possum Shirt.
Keep us posted on what ya'll are going to do.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Miss P'fer Stretches Her Wings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
>Yes. I am and John Williamson, Kolbra/Jabiru is
>planning to fly down from Dallas.
>
> > Or want to stop by St. Geo. Island on the way down.
>
>I bet I could do that. Let us know where ya'll's
>cabin is going to be so I can buzz it and you can
>come pick me up at the airstrip.
>
> > Or St. Simmons Island on the way back up the coast.
>
>Same same St Simmons.
>
>I'll wear my Official Possum Shirt.
>
>Keep us posted on what ya'll are going to do.
>
>john h
We're going just to have fun- been there a bunch of times - bought all the
toys. Ben Methvin is going down for several days with his portable FBO and
stay either in the Ultralight camp area or the one on the lake across the
way. He has to attend a BFI and AFI conference and wants to help fly the
Flightstar demo. Check the trailer at Flightstar guys. If you any of you
guys want to fly down and haven't been before...I hate to say it, but
...."South Lakeland" is where you want to fly into. It's just about 2
miles south of "Sun and Fun" and nobody knows about it - I guess. We've
been flying down there for the last few years. They let you tie down for
next to nothing and have a shuttle to Sun and Fun every half hour or so??
Long grass field - and they demo all the new planes from the "Show" there
so they don't kill anybody. Showers and camp sites. (I didn't tell you -
so don't blame me if it's full).
BTW it never is. And the big thing is when you want to leave - you don't
have to get permission - and you can fly into Sun & Fun anytime you want to
- but have fun gettin out..
http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Thanks Richard, I'll take a look. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Non-Kolb
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> Download the free pop-up stopper from
> http://www.panicware.com. Enjoy.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> At 06:11 PM 3/1/03 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> >Is anyone else getting these pop-ups in the middle of the screen from
> >Microsoft, that apologize for the inconvenience, and why don't you sign
up
> >for their software to prevent such terrible inconvenience ????? Spam is
> >one thing, and a royal pain, but this....................??? Pain isn't
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| Subject: | Re: EVO/AIR update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>d.John Hauck has offered a prop a
>Redneck Research Labs.......
Are you trying to run it without a prop?????
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| Subject: | Re: EVO/AIR update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Redneck Research, eh ?? Kinda reminds me of a rawhide outfit in Idaho, back
in the '70's.................."Redneck Hippie Logging Company." Talk about
an oxymoron ! ! ! Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EVO/AIR update
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>
> >
> >d.John Hauck has offered a prop a
>
>
> >Redneck Research Labs.......
>
>
> Are you trying to run it without a prop?????
>
>
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| Subject: | horizontal stabilizer leading edge mounts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>Snip-Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck
>We overcame a similar problem when we built my MK III.
>Based on experience flying the factory MK III,
>brother Jim designed
>and fabricated some adjustable horizontal stabilizer leading
>edge mounts. The top position is still a couple inches
>lower than what the plans call for. I have three positions
>to experiment with. I fly in the middle position, where the airplane
feels best.
Me too
http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Adjstabil.jpg
http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Modtail&swagedwires.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>
>2Si, it may be your opportunity to grab market share. Can they get it
>together and produce a engine that holds together? Hirth can't seem to do
>it and 2Si hasn't had much better success.
>jerb
I keep hearing about HIrth not holding up. I am wondering what is going
on as I fly 2 of them and they do not seem to have any problems. HAve you
any experience with these Tom? Anyone else? I set them up according to the
HIrth manual (not the Rotax manual for similar engines) and they seem to
run fine.
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| Subject: | Re: Tom's rich jetting |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Tom, thanks so very much for your advice on all those questions..I am
indebted to you....
On the jetting, It looks like you think like me in that respect...as rich
as it will still run smooth. (not as rich as it will still run)
I dont have alot of expierience with this ULII02...and I dont know if a
fella can hear the "4-stroking" as we call it of a small 2 stroke when it is
to rich...but a trained ear can adjust a chain saw or a string trimmer
(richen) at WOT till it starts "gurgeling" and then lean it back untill it
clears up and runs smooth. (under load)This position by far give the most
power under load and the longest life. What you are actually hearing is the
engine slightly missing due to an over rich condition. you can also adjust
them under no load the oppisite way...lean em out till they scream and then
richen it up till it just starts to "gurgle"...as soon as a load is
applied...the engine will run smooth and the perfect mixture is attained.
this is also the way I used to adjust that danged old Chotia 460...and I
never had a problem with them...built 5 weedhoppers in the 80 and 81 with
that engine and never had a problem. Just like the Cuyuna's and 2si's....I
think they recieved a bad rep due to people using them who just dont really
understand 2 cycles....but think they do! Any Piston ported engine with
closed port configuration is such a simple and sweet design to me...somje
think they are finicky...well I like to think Precise is a better
term...and will give good service/life if adjusted "precisely".
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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| Subject: | Re: history of ultralights |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Dennis....thank you so very much for those reminising memories. If I were a
Hollywood director...I would give you a zillion dollars for the movie rights
What a GREAT american story!
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