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1. 03:17 AM - Re: EVO/AIR update (Paul Petty)
2. 03:33 AM - Re: Tom's rich jetting (John Hauck)
3. 05:49 AM - Re: Miss P'fer Stretches Her Wings (Airgriff2@aol.com)
4. 07:53 AM - Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (Tom Olenik)
5. 08:02 AM - Re: Tom's rich jetting (Jack & Louise Hart)
6. 08:09 AM - Re: Tom's rich jetting (Tom Olenik)
7. 08:34 AM - Re: Non-Kolb (CaptainRon)
8. 08:37 AM - Re: Tom's rich jetting (Tom Olenik)
9. 09:18 AM - Kolb with a HarlyD aero motor (CaptainRon)
10. 09:18 AM - Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (CaptainRon)
11. 09:21 AM - 912 vs 912S (Clay Stuart)
12. 02:13 PM - Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (Jack & Louise Hart)
13. 04:23 PM - Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (CaptainRon)
14. 04:53 PM - Re: Kolb with a HarlyD aero motor (Paul Petty)
15. 05:13 PM - Horizontal Stabilizer (Bill Vincent)
16. 05:40 PM - Luecdale Visit (Paul Petty)
17. 06:10 PM - Leather helmet (Alderson, James)
18. 06:13 PM - Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (jerb)
19. 06:20 PM - Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (jerb)
20. 08:03 PM - Re: EVO/AIR update (woody)
21. 09:47 PM - Re: Kolb Snowbirds (WillUribe@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: EVO/AIR update |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Duh Hu....:-)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EVO/AIR update
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
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> >
> >d.John Hauck has offered a prop a
>
>
> >Redneck Research Labs.......
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>
> Are you trying to run it without a prop?????
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| Subject: | Re: Tom's rich jetting |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> On the jetting, It looks like you think like me in that respect...as rich
> as it will still run smooth. (not as rich as it will still run)
> Don Gherardini-
Don/Kolbers:
My first UL was an Ultrastar with a Cuyuna ULIIO2,
CDI ign and Mikuni carb. Damn good engine. Only
problem I had with mine (I put 385 hours on it)
was the engine heads/cylinders/cases needed
frequent torqueing. In the case of an Ultrastar,
the engine had to be dropped to torque the cases
and cylinders IIRC. The US engine mount
interferred with the bolts. Could not get a
socket on them. So, it was easy to let it go for
too long, which resulted in leakage at the cyl
base gasket. The ULIIO2 was an updated engine
which Cuyuna lightened quite a bit, at the expense
of milling too much material off the cases where
the cyls and cyl base gasket married up. Other
than that, it was a bang up engine. Never fouled
a plug on it.
I had bought and installed Mike Straman's CPS
adjustable main fuel control. I could dial that
thing in anyway I wanted it. Rich for takeoff and
lean it out for cruise to make power and save
fuel. My first engine out happened at Tuskeegee
Airport (Moton Field), Alabama. I was on the way,
250 miles, to Tallahassee, Florida, 7 December
1984. This was my second cross country flight
from Alabama to Tallahassee, Florida. While I was
inside paying for the couple gals of 100LL, three
gentlemen were inspecting my unique flying
machine. When I came back out they had gone. I
took off the parking ramp, got 100 ft in the air,
and my world became silent. Oops! I got behind
the aircraft and landed pretty hard. On the
ground I discovered that the main fuel control had
been turned about a turn too much on the rich
side. Experimentation demonstrated that the
Cuyuna would run perfectly at cruise and high
power settings with increasing richness right up
to the point that it got too rich. At that
point..........it quit running same same hitting
the kill switch. However, a slight turn lean on
the fuel control knob and it would scream like a
banshee. Had I know that I could have prevented
my first engine failure and a slightly bent
airframe.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Miss P'fer Stretches Her Wings |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
>
> >> Thanks to Homer Kolb and Dennis
>> Souder, I feel really blessed to be able to build
>> something in my basement, then fly all over God's
>> green earth in it.
>>
>
John, was wondering if your flight to Barrow, Alaska was the "flight of all
flights" for you? Not that you could or would want to try to top that for
any reason, but was wondering if you had any "adventure type" flights" , in
mind, on the back burner, or upcoming ? Otherwise, I guess you could result
to starting on all that work on the house that has been piling up ? (lets
see--------WORK ????----FLY ????) ummmm.
Fly Safe
Bob Griffin
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| Subject: | Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Olenik" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
I don't have much experience with Hirth, but from what I see, most of the
problems have been user induced, failure to follow instructions type things.
Yes, they have had some engines that had manufacturing flaws....every engine
does. Believe me. When my dad's company was still operating as a full
Rotax Service center, we did more warranty work for Rotax engines than
everyone else put together in some years, and I can tell you that they have
had and still have those occasional screw ups just like Hirth, 2SI, HKS, and
Jabiru do. They all do. The only difference is how they take care of
those.
From what I see, however, RPE takes care of those problems very well for
Hirth, and that is what counts in my book. I just don't see much advantage
of the Hirth engine other than it is easier for a small OEM to get better
margins. The retail and maintenance costs are about the same as Rotax, and
the weight and performance isn't any better either.
As far as the engines go, I don't know if they are as bad as so many people
say. I think most of that is just brand loyalty BS. Most will shrug off a
Rotax 503 that Rotax forgot to put piston circlips in as "that happens", but
if someone had a 2706 or whatever it is called now that had the same
problem, everyone here would hear about it.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
877-247-6686
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of woody
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377
--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>
>2Si, it may be your opportunity to grab market share. Can they get it
>together and produce a engine that holds together? Hirth can't seem to do
>it and 2Si hasn't had much better success.
>jerb
I keep hearing about HIrth not holding up. I am wondering what is going
on as I fly 2 of them and they do not seem to have any problems. HAve you
any experience with these Tom? Anyone else? I set them up according to the
HIrth manual (not the Rotax manual for similar engines) and they seem to
run fine.
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| Subject: | Tom's rich jetting |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Tom,
I did not phrase the question properly. With an engine set up as you like it,
what EGTs would one expect?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Tom's rich jetting |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Olenik" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
Don,
The only thing that I would watch out for with the Cuyuna when jetting is
that it will take a rich idle mixture much better than a Rotax will, meaning
that it will continue to run smooth at idle even if it is slobbering rich.
The problem, then, is that when you go to power off idle, it bogs or even
dies. So for idle mixture, I do just the opposite as I do for higher power
settings. For idle, I lean to peak efficiency. However, when you do that,
it will often have some effect on mid range, and midrange may need to be
adjusted a little to the richer side, then.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
877-247-6686
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Gherardini
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tom's rich jetting
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Tom, thanks so very much for your advice on all those questions..I am
indebted to you....
On the jetting, It looks like you think like me in that respect...as rich
as it will still run smooth. (not as rich as it will still run)
I dont have alot of expierience with this ULII02...and I dont know if a
fella can hear the "4-stroking" as we call it of a small 2 stroke when it is
to rich...but a trained ear can adjust a chain saw or a string trimmer
(richen) at WOT till it starts "gurgeling" and then lean it back untill it
clears up and runs smooth. (under load)This position by far give the most
power under load and the longest life. What you are actually hearing is the
engine slightly missing due to an over rich condition. you can also adjust
them under no load the oppisite way...lean em out till they scream and then
richen it up till it just starts to "gurgle"...as soon as a load is
applied...the engine will run smooth and the perfect mixture is attained.
this is also the way I used to adjust that danged old Chotia 460...and I
never had a problem with them...built 5 weedhoppers in the 80 and 81 with
that engine and never had a problem. Just like the Cuyuna's and 2si's....I
think they recieved a bad rep due to people using them who just dont really
understand 2 cycles....but think they do! Any Piston ported engine with
closed port configuration is such a simple and sweet design to me...somje
think they are finicky...well I like to think Precise is a better
term...and will give good service/life if adjusted "precisely".
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
3/1/03 21:54Larry Bourne
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Thanks Richard, I'll take a look. Lar. Do not Archive.
>
=================
I have not had a single pop up since I bought the new Norton security/anti
virus suit. Works great.
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| Subject: | Tom's rich jetting |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Olenik" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
Again, it varies. A 503 would probably be in the high 900 or low 1000
range. A 582 would probably be in the mid to high 1000 range.
Tom Olenik
Olenik Aviation
http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
877-247-6686
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jack & Louise
Hart
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Tom's rich jetting
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Tom,
I did not phrase the question properly. With an engine set up as you like
it, what EGTs would one expect?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Kolb with a HarlyD aero motor |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
3/1/03 19:19jerb
> I would love to see 2Si step up to the plate but I don't feel they
> take the market seriously.
=================
I agree, Simonini seem to have good engines. But they have their rep in the
frigid frozen arctic waste of Canada someplace. :-)
2SI doesn't seem to care too deeply about the experimental market, if they
did they'd offer a 100hp plant already. They are after deep pockets,, Uncle
Sam's contracts, thats where their head is at.
I am still trying to commit to an engine for my Kolb M3X, and its a major
hassle. Unless I find a 250 decibal screaming deal it aint going to be a
Rotax. I kinda like the idea of a Harly motor on my Kolb. Somebody needs to
cast a crankcase, cam, and crank, upon which you can stick Harly Davidson
cylinders.
It will blow Rotax out of the market in no time.
Just imagin a horizontally opposed motor with those 2 huge chrom and black
HD jugs sticking out into the wind. Now that would be the best looking Kolb
ever.
and now back to reality!!!
do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
3/1/03 23:20woody
> I set them up according to the
> HIrth manual
===================
Good to hear, I am looking at their new 3 cylinder water cooled unit.
I would also like to see a price list for the Simonini, if anyone knows
where I can find it please post it.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
To anyone, but especially to John Hauck:
John recently mentioned that the 912S was not just a higher HP and higher compression
engine version of the 912. How do the engine designs differ? What are
the octane requirements for the two engines? I am planning to use the 912S on
my Xtra with the Ivo in-flight adjustable prop. The $840 version of the prop
is for up to 100 HP. With the adjustable prop, would the 912 give me 912S-like
performance? Would the 912S be an overkill with this prop?
John, what engine would you use with the in-flight adjustable prop if it were your
plane and I was buying the engine for you?
Thanks,
Clay Stuart
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| Subject: | Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 10:12 AM 3/2/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
>
>3/1/03 23:20woody
>
>> I set them up according to the
>> HIrth manual
>===================
>
>Good to hear, I am looking at their new 3 cylinder water cooled unit.
>I would also like to see a price list for the Simonini, if anyone knows
>where I can find it please post it.
>
>do not archive
>
Ron,
Speedwing is the Simonini representative which can be found at:
http://www.xairamerica.com/english.html
From the above site,
Victor 2+ - 764 cc - 102 hp @ 6200 rpm - 115 lbs wt. - $5,680 USD - 2 cyl - liquid
cooled
Victor 2 - 688 cc - 92 hp @ 6200 rpm - 115 lbs wt. - $5,200 USD - 2 cyl - liquid
cooled
Victor 1 - 482 cc - 48 hp @ 6000 rpm - 66 lbs wt. - $2,795 USD - 1 cyl - liquid
cooled
Mini 3 - 240 cc - 33 hp @ 7000 rpm - 44 lbs wt.* - $1,900 USD - 1 cyl - air cooled
Mini 2+ - 202 cc - 28 hp @ 7200 rpm - 34 lbs wt. - $1.670 USD - 1 cyl - air cooled
All come with electric start.
*Includes the weight of a propeller
Additional performance information can be found at:
http://www.simonini-flying.com/victor2plus_eng.htm
I would like to try a Mini 3 on a FireFly. I believe it would perform very well
with a FireFly that would weigh at least 40 pounds less than with a Rotax 447.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
3/2/03 15:10Jack & Louise Hart
> I would like to try a Mini 3 on a FireFly. I believe it would perform very
> well with a FireFly that would weigh at least 40 pounds less than with a Rotax
> 447.
=================
Thanks for the price list. Less expensive than the Hirth for the 100hp. They
have a cool pruduct line.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb with a HarlyD aero motor |
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USER_IN_WHITELIST)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Captian Ron,
We are working on an a opposed Harley engine as we speak. Coming soon.
pp...
----- Original Message -----
From: "CaptainRon" <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb with a HarlyD aero motor
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
>
> 3/1/03 19:19jerb
>
> > I would love to see 2Si step up to the plate but I don't feel they
> > take the market seriously.
> =================
>
> I agree, Simonini seem to have good engines. But they have their rep in
the
> frigid frozen arctic waste of Canada someplace. :-)
> 2SI doesn't seem to care too deeply about the experimental market, if
they
> did they'd offer a 100hp plant already. They are after deep pockets,,
Uncle
> Sam's contracts, thats where their head is at.
>
> I am still trying to commit to an engine for my Kolb M3X, and its a major
> hassle. Unless I find a 250 decibal screaming deal it aint going to be a
> Rotax. I kinda like the idea of a Harly motor on my Kolb. Somebody needs
to
> cast a crankcase, cam, and crank, upon which you can stick Harly Davidson
> cylinders.
> It will blow Rotax out of the market in no time.
>
> Just imagin a horizontally opposed motor with those 2 huge chrom and black
> HD jugs sticking out into the wind. Now that would be the best looking
Kolb
> ever.
> and now back to reality!!!
>
>
> do not archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Horizontal Stabilizer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Vincent <emailbill@chartermi.net>
Hi Kolb Builders & Flyers
With all the talk of the pressure on the top and bottom of the
horizontal stabilizer it reminds me of a story that a Kolb Firestar II
pilot told me at Oshkosh.
He told that while in flight the wingnut had come off the cables that
holds the horizontal stabilizer in the down position; however he did not
notice it until he had landed and the cables were hanging loose.
I told him I did not believe his story but he insisted that the down
pressure had held the stabilizer down in flight.
I believe the first time he would give it any forward stick it would
have folded it up rendering the elevator and rudder inoperative.
Can his story be true ? .... I do not think so !
Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Quinnesec, Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
Had a great day today visiting Ronnie Smith and John Hauck and John Cooley down
in south MS. John Cooley was kind enough to loan me a TN. Prop for our experiment
and John Hauck was in for the gear box tune up. Ms P'fer was looking good
as always and we were treated to a special look into the gear drive! To my surprise
I discovered that the torsional absorbing unit in the box was exactly the
same as on my HD test unit.
Ronnie has a assortment of experimental aircraft about and has a great facility!
Charley was very attached to a kitfox that was on hand and the weather was so-so...
We had little Charley on hand for the day (my 11month old son) and here's a tip,
NEVER give a young child caffeine! It's 7:30pm and he is still bouncing of the
walls!!!! But diet coke was all we had at the time so Duh Hu....
For any of you that have not seen J. Hauck's airplane you should really take a
long hard look at this aircraft. With over 1700hrs she is a dandy! He did notice
a break in the V-stab forward leading edge tube. I would have never picked
that out. It broke just above a previous break. Also he pointed out a area on
the elevators inward at the tube that he had reinforced because the surface of
that component relies on a great deal of force with very little metal there...
I snapped some real nice photos of her and will upload to photoshare for you guys.
Great day!
pp...
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James" <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
Hey there,
I have figured out, after spending some time in my kolb working out the best
position for everything, that my helmet will not fit due to lack of headroom
caused by the BRS above me. I have read alot of the past conversations in
the archives regarding helmets and the decision to wear one. I am looking at
thick leather helmets as an alternative because I will feel a little naked
without a helmet on. Has anyone of you guys ever tried one of these helmets
or have any words of wisdom for me on the subject. I haven't kid myself into
thinking that they will stop a smack to the head, but they may stop some
lacerations from occuring in the even I was struck by something.
James Alderson
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| Subject: | Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
Which model engines are you running?
jerb
At 01:20 AM 3/2/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>
> >
> >
> >2Si, it may be your opportunity to grab market share. Can they get it
> >together and produce a engine that holds together? Hirth can't seem to do
> >it and 2Si hasn't had much better success.
> >jerb
>
>
> I keep hearing about HIrth not holding up. I am wondering what is going
>on as I fly 2 of them and they do not seem to have any problems. HAve you
>any experience with these Tom? Anyone else? I set them up according to the
>HIrth manual (not the Rotax manual for similar engines) and they seem to
>run fine.
>
>
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| Subject: | Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
It may depend upon who's life and plane are at risk or survived one event
to the next. Also who's paying the bills for repair of the engine and
aircraft damage.
jerb
At 10:50 AM 3/2/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Tom Olenik"
><olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
>
>I don't have much experience with Hirth, but from what I see, most of the
>problems have been user induced, failure to follow instructions type things.
>Yes, they have had some engines that had manufacturing flaws....every engine
>does. Believe me. When my dad's company was still operating as a full
>Rotax Service center, we did more warranty work for Rotax engines than
>everyone else put together in some years, and I can tell you that they have
>had and still have those occasional screw ups just like Hirth, 2SI, HKS, and
>Jabiru do. They all do. The only difference is how they take care of
>those.
>
> >From what I see, however, RPE takes care of those problems very well for
>Hirth, and that is what counts in my book. I just don't see much advantage
>of the Hirth engine other than it is easier for a small OEM to get better
>margins. The retail and maintenance costs are about the same as Rotax, and
>the weight and performance isn't any better either.
>
>As far as the engines go, I don't know if they are as bad as so many people
>say. I think most of that is just brand loyalty BS. Most will shrug off a
>Rotax 503 that Rotax forgot to put piston circlips in as "that happens", but
>if someone had a 2706 or whatever it is called now that had the same
>problem, everyone here would hear about it.
>
>Tom Olenik
>Olenik Aviation
>http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com
>877-247-6686
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of woody
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377
>
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>
> >
> >
> >2Si, it may be your opportunity to grab market share. Can they get it
> >together and produce a engine that holds together? Hirth can't seem to do
> >it and 2Si hasn't had much better success.
> >jerb
>
>
> I keep hearing about HIrth not holding up. I am wondering what is going
>on as I fly 2 of them and they do not seem to have any problems. HAve you
>any experience with these Tom? Anyone else? I set them up according to the
>HIrth manual (not the Rotax manual for similar engines) and they seem to
>run fine.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
You may find the flywheel effect of the prop will aid in the smoothness
of the engine.
At 05:16 AM 3/2/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
>Duh Hu....:-)
>do not archive
> >
> > Are you trying to run it without a prop?????
> >
> >
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
I want to thank Tim and Craig for being great hosts. The multimedia
presentation Adriel Heisey gave was out of this world. I could never take as
beautiful pictures as he does from his Kolb.
Here are some pictures of the gathering.
<A HREF"http://www.members.aol.com/firestarn4gu">http://www.members.aol.com/firestarn4gu
http://www.members.aol.com/firestarn4gu
<A HREF"http://www.adrielheisey.com/">http://www.adrielheisey.com/
http://www.adrielheisey.com/
Enjoy,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
>
> Kolbers,
> Just wanted to report on our BBQ and Kolb Bull session we are going to host
> this Saturday March 1st here in Gilbert, AZ.=A0 Just got a RSVP from Adriel
> Heisey.=A0 Adriel is a free lance photographer and owns a Twinstar w/ a 912
> Rotax.=A0 He is going to show up and give us a multi-media presentation on
> his work with aerial photography using his Kolb.=A0 Oh Boy , now I'm
> excited!!=A0 Adreil is going to also bring his Twinstar.=A0 He will camp out
in
> the east valley and do some shoots later that day.=A0 We also have John Jung,
> Dave, Vic and many others showing up.=A0 The more the planes the better.=A0 We
> have plenty of room for many trailers and planes to be set up.=A0 Jim Hefner,
> I know your on this list, sure would love to have a Firefly there to round
> out the collection?=A0 Stephen, I hope your trailer will be there (call me).=A0
>
> We will have soda's buns and condiments, and dessert there, just bring your
> own chicken/beef/fish.=A0 We will have a grill and a barbeque ready to cook
> for you.
>
> Tim and Craig, both currently building a Firestar II and Mark III Extra.
> Do not archive
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