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1. 05:49 AM - Re: EVO/AIR ()
2. 05:54 AM - Re: Kolb Snowbirds ()
3. 10:34 AM - Arizona BBQ (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
4. 10:42 AM - Re: Arizona BBQ (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
5. 10:44 AM - Re: Kolb Snowbirds (Jim and Phyllis Hefner)
6. 02:57 PM - Re: EVO/AIR (woody)
7. 03:52 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Snowbirds (WillUribe@aol.com)
8. 04:26 PM - Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (jerb)
9. 04:37 PM - Re: 447, hot cylinder (jerb)
10. 05:20 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Snowbirds (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
11. 06:48 PM - Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 (T. K. Frantz)
12. 09:38 PM - Disposable camera (RPHanks@aol.com)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Paul,
Make sure you anchor that baby down before you run it with the prop!
I am looking foreward to seeing the photos.
Denny Rowe
PS:Yesterdays morning temp was 6 degrees, than a high of 24. Today we are
supposed to break 40. Should be able to run the 690 some today, maybe blow
this cold the heck outa here. Normal highs for today should be around 50.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Petty <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: EVO/AIR
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
> Kolbers/Gear Heads,
> Made great progress tonight. Ran engine up to 4000 rpm and was able to
keep the stand in the main work area. Bolted the tuned thunder header to it
an wow it smoothed out. Should have the prop (loaned to me by John Cooley)
mounted by this weekend and we will see what this engine will do.Polished
the inner workings of the torsinal damper and it is working fine. The engine
it starting to settle in and run better. ran across a VW engine today and
snagged it for a C-note. Plan to use it for a hack job for the opposed.
> When I throttle tha beast it tends to pick the frame up on the right side.
This is one strong Thumper!
> Long night in the shop...
>
> pp.....
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Snowbirds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Looking at the photos and seeing the climate out there, I am asking myself,
why in the heck am I living here? Well I guess someone has to occupy this
area for the Kolb force, and besides, Homer lives here so it can't be all
bad.
Looks like you guys had a lot of fun, thanks for the pics!
Denny Rowe
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb Snowbirds
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
>
> Kolbers,
> Like Will Uribe said, We had a first rate Kolb get together down here in
Phx area Arizona. Those of you in this area who could'nt make it sure
missed out. Will suprised me by calling saturday morning and coming to the
BBQ. You can see he took many photo's (a few he posted) of the small
gathereing. But the highlight of the afternoon was Adriel Heisey sharing
with us his talent and profession. Really an Awe inspiring presentation of
beautiful photo's shot from his 912S powered Twinstar. He did not bring the
plane due to bad weather system moving through our area all last week. All
who were there, asked to do it again in the near future. Sure a lot of fun
to meet with Kolbers.
> Tim
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WillUribe@aol.com [mailto:WillUribe@aol.com]
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Snowbirds
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
> I want to thank Tim and Craig for being great hosts. The multimedia
> presentation Adriel Heisey gave was out of this world. I could never take
as
> beautiful pictures as he does from his Kolb.
> Here are some pictures of the gathering.
>
> <A
HREF"http://www.members.aol.com/firestarn4gu">http://www.members.aol.com/fir
estarn4gu
> http://www.members.aol.com/firestarn4gu
> <A HREF"http://www.adrielheisey.com/">http://www.adrielheisey.com/
> http://www.adrielheisey.com/
> Enjoy,
> Will Uribe
> El Paso, TX
> FireStar II N4GU
> C-172 N2506U
> http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
> do not archive
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420
<rp3420@motorola.com>
> >
> > Kolbers,
> > Just wanted to report on our BBQ and Kolb Bull session we are going to
host
> > this Saturday March 1st here in Gilbert, AZ.=A0 Just got a RSVP from
Adriel
> > Heisey.=A0 Adriel is a free lance photographer and owns a Twinstar w/ a
912
> > Rotax.=A0 He is going to show up and give us a multi-media presentation
on
> > his work with aerial photography using his Kolb.=A0 Oh Boy , now I'm
> > excited!!=A0 Adreil is going to also bring his Twinstar.=A0 He will camp
out in
> > the east valley and do some shoots later that day.=A0 We also have John
Jung,
> > Dave, Vic and many others showing up.=A0 The more the planes the
better.=A0 We
> > have plenty of room for many trailers and planes to be set up.=A0 Jim
Hefner,
> > I know your on this list, sure would love to have a Firefly there to
round
> > out the collection?=A0 Stephen, I hope your trailer will be there (call
me).=A0
> >
> > We will have soda's buns and condiments, and dessert there, just bring
your
> > own chicken/beef/fish.=A0 We will have a grill and a barbeque ready to
cook
> > for you.
> >
> > Tim and Craig, both currently building a Firestar II and Mark III Extra.
> > Do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Yo Tim and Craig,
I just got back from the Bluegrass Festival and wanted to tell you a special
"Thanks" for your get together last Saturday. It was great. And Thanks too
to Adriel for the fantastic multi-media presentation. Fascinating. Good talk,
good chow, good folks and a great show...what more can you ask for.
Thanks again,
Arizona Dave
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
Dave,
Your welcome, I'm glad you were able to come, and visit.
Looking forward to getting these planes done so we can meet up and go flying together.
Regards,
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave & Eve Pelletier [mailto:pelletier@cableone.net]
Subject: Kolb-List: Arizona BBQ
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Yo Tim and Craig,
I just got back from the Bluegrass Festival and wanted to tell you a special
"Thanks" for your get together last Saturday. It was great. And Thanks too
to Adriel for the fantastic multi-media presentation. Fascinating. Good talk,
good chow, good folks and a great show...what more can you ask for.
Thanks again,
Arizona Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Snowbirds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim and Phyllis Hefner" <hefners_tucson@hotmail.com>
Tim, Will, Craig and others that attended the BBQ, looks like you had a
really fun time. Thanks for the pictures. I sure wish I hadn't had a
commitment I couldn't get out of or I would have joined you. Will, don't
feel bad, noone can match Adriel's picture taking from his Twinstar. He's
one interesting and talented guy, that figured out how to make a living
doing the thing he loves most! Wish I had been that smart a lot earlier...
:-) Next time! Weather permitting, I'll be flying to the Cactus fly-in on
Saturday in Casa Grande, so I hope to see some of you there!
Jim Hefner
Tucson, AZ
FF#022
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
>
> Kolbers,
> Like Will Uribe said, We had a first rate Kolb get together down
here in
Phx area Arizona. Those of you in this area who could'nt make it
sure
missed out. Will suprised me by calling saturday morning and
coming to the
BBQ. You can see he took many photo's (a few he posted) of the
small
gathereing. But the highlight of the afternoon was Adriel Heisey
sharing
presentation of
beautiful photo's shot from his 912S powered Twinstar. He did not
bring the
plane due to bad weather system moving through our area all last
week. All
who were there, asked to do it again in the near future. Sure a
lot of fun
to meet with Kolbers.
> Tim
> do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>
>When I throttle tha beast it tends to pick the frame up on the right side.
>This is one strong Thumper!
>Long night in the shop...
Do you have any power charts on this ei, hp - rpm and torque - rpm. I
would be interested in seeing it. There is an old saying. torque flies the
airplane but Hp sells it. You may have enough torque there to omit the
reduction drive.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Snowbirds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
I keep trying to take good pictures, like this one I took with a disposable
camera.
http://members.aol.com/firestarn4gu/pic14.jpg
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
do not archive
> Will, don't
> feel bad, noone can match Adriel's picture taking from his Twinstar.=A0 He's
> one interesting and talented guy, that figured out how to make a living
> doing the thing he loves most!=A0 Wish I had been that smart a lot earlier...
> :-)=A0 Next time!=A0 Weather permitting, I'll be flying to the Cactus fly-in
on
> Saturday in Casa Grande, so I hope to see some of you there!
> Jim Hefner
> Tucson, AZ
> FF#022
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| Subject: | Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
Todays business model is sell it for what the market will bear. (Examples,
EAA, Disney World, for profit Sporting events, and movie theaters) If you
make enough on each unit you don't have to sell many which over comes the
excuse of not making enough to bring the cost down. This also reduces
liability exposure as there are less units purchased. Lack of "good"
product from competitors reinforces this model.
Why do you think Jabiru was able to increase their already high price on
their engines. Using your model as their cost to produce and deliver each
engine decreased, the price should have gone down right. But that has not
been the case, their sales have increased showing that market is tolerant
to pay the higher price.
This raises the question, how much should gas cost if compared to bottled
water.
A bottle of water sells for around $.89. What sets the high price and who
supports those prices. It cost far less to produce a bottle of water,
drill a well, pump, filter, package, transport and distribute it. For gas
drill a very deep well in specific geographical area, pump, transport the
crude, refine, store, transport again and distribute it. Gas should
therefore cost over $7 a gallon. Perhaps the prior older generations
believed a fair profit was enough and would not cave in to gouging.
jerb
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At 07:04 PM 3/3/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>At 08:14 PM 3/2/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
> >
> >Which model engines are you running?
> >jerb
>
>
> I have a 2703 on my Twinstar and a 2706 on a buddies Mk111. My flying
>totem pole will have a Jabiru this summer and our club mk111 will have a
>582, The airframe I recieved from Dallas Sheppard will also fly again with
>a 582. I also have a Hirth f 30 100 hp in the basement waiting for a
>project or I may just sell it outright. Lots of engine variety and I set
>them up by their own Mfg. recommendations. If I can buy a BMW or Harley
>engine for under $3000 then why can't Rotax be more price competitive. My
>Jabi is $9500 new. Did Rotax set the price and everyone happily tries to
>keep up to it. I believe in the old adage- sell for a bit less and make
>your profit on volume. How many new engines come out and go by the wayside.
>Seems most guys start off at the Rotax price and don't realize that people
>will pay more for a proven product and pass on an unknown product for the
>same cost. I know R&D cost money but if you try to make it back on your
>first engine then you have doomed yourself to failure and all the R&D money
>is lost. Just my opinion of course (its not like me to spout off is it). :).
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 447, hot cylinder |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
Call Tom Olenik. See what he can advise. If you use his time, at least be
nice to the guy and buy the parts you'll need from him. If you don't think
you can handle it, strip it down per his recommendation, and ship it to
him. He'll fix it for you. Shipping and his cost should be a lot less
than a new engine plus he'll enlighten you to what he really found. I had
a hot cylinder, it was caused by a leaky head gasket. Any exhaust or
intake manifold leak can also cause the same symptoms.
Have you checked the engine for carbon build up? If it gets to much it
will make the rings stick, which cases blow by, leaning the mixture,
raising the EGT can cylinder temps.
jerb
At 08:10 PM 3/3/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
>
>John et al,
>
>The mag-end cylinder of my FireFly's 477 engine has shown near red-line
>EGTs and CHTs since the engine was first broken in. I knew it was sucking
>air and have been through all diagnostic routines (probe switching, fan
>belt, air passage obstructions, gasket check etc). Before my most recent
>flight I moved the needle valve from the third notch, where it has been
>running, to the 4th (bottom) notch. The mag-end cylinder ran EGTs from
>1050 to 1100 and CHTs from 300 to 400 and stayed in that range throughout
>the flight. The prop-end cylinder stayed down in the 950 and 250 area but
>I could hear the gurgling of super rich mix. When I landed I checked the
>plugs and the found the prop-end plug to be wet with oil but still firing.
>The hot cylinder was just about right. During the engine teardown we found
>that the mag-end crank seal appears to have been leaking and ordered a
>replacement seal/gasket set. The crank will be checked for roundness
>before re-assembly.
>
>I wont know for sure if this will cure the problem until she is running
>again. I may be buying a new engine if it doesn't because I'm out of ideas.
>
>Comments, Flames cheerfully accepted,
>
>Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL FireFly SN007, 134 Hrs
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Snowbirds |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Yo Will,
Wow, great shot. Jess goes to show ya it ain't the equipment, but it's
the eye behind the lens that makes the picture. It was real great yakking
with you at the BBQ last Sat. Enjoyed the pics you brought and thanks for
putting the party shots on the list.
See ya next time,
Az Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: <WillUribe@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Snowbirds
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
> I keep trying to take good pictures, like this one I took with a
disposable
> camera.
> http://members.aol.com/firestarn4gu/pic14.jpg
>
> Will Uribe
> El Paso, TX
> FireStar II N4GU
> C-172 N2506U
> http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
> do not archive
>
> > Will, don't
> > feel bad, noone can match Adriel's picture taking from his Twinstar.=A0
He's
> > one interesting and talented guy, that figured out how to make a living
> > doing the thing he loves most!=A0 Wish I had been that smart a lot
earlier...
>
> > :-)=A0 Next time!=A0 Weather permitting, I'll be flying to the Cactus
fly-in on
>
> > Saturday in Casa Grande, so I hope to see some of you there!
> > Jim Hefner
> > Tucson, AZ
> > FF#022
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is the 447 going the way of the 277 & 377 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "T. K. Frantz" <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
jerb wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
>
> Todays business model is sell it for what the market will bear. (Examples,
> EAA, Disney World, for profit Sporting events, and movie theaters) If you
> make enough on each unit you don't have to sell many which over comes the
> excuse of not making enough to bring the cost down. This also reduces
> liability exposure as there are less units purchased. Lack of "good"
> product from competitors reinforces this model.
>
> Why do you think Jabiru was able to increase their already high price on
> their engines. Using your model as their cost to produce and deliver each
> engine decreased, the price should have gone down right. But that has not
> been the case, their sales have increased showing that market is tolerant
> to pay the higher price.
>
> This raises the question, how much should gas cost if compared to bottled
> water.
> A bottle of water sells for around $.89. What sets the high price and who
> supports those prices. It cost far less to produce a bottle of water,
> drill a well, pump, filter, package, transport and distribute it. For gas
> drill a very deep well in specific geographical area, pump, transport the
> crude, refine, store, transport again and distribute it. Gas should
> therefore cost over $7 a gallon. Perhaps the prior older generations
> believed a fair profit was enough and would not cave in to gouging.
> jerb
>
> Do not archive
>
> jerb,
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!! The newer generations have too much money and not enough
struggle to know the value of anything.
Terry
>
>
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| Subject: | Disposable camera |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: RPHanks@aol.com
Hey Will:
The camera was disposable..... The picture is not! It is now my desktop
wallpaper.
Thanks!
Roger in Ashland Oregon
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