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1. 01:46 AM - Re: Accident (John Cooley)
2. 01:51 AM - Re: Paint Question? (John Cooley)
3. 02:30 AM - Re: Color match? (Jim Ballenger)
4. 03:46 AM - Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale (Alderson, James)
5. 04:27 AM - Re: Windshield (Dave Rains)
6. 05:26 AM - Re: Windshield (Duncan McBride)
7. 05:30 AM - Re: john hauk on mush stall (Vincehallam@aol.com)
8. 05:43 AM - Re: Windshield (Richard Pike)
9. 05:51 AM - Re: john hauk on mush stall (Bob Bean)
10. 06:05 AM - Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale (woody)
11. 06:08 AM - (Joe Allman)
12. 06:38 AM - Re: john hauck on mush stall (John Hauck)
13. 06:43 AM - Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale (Alderson, James)
14. 07:02 AM - Re: (John Hauck)
15. 07:06 AM - Re: Windshield (possums)
16. 07:14 AM - Fogging (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
17. 07:33 AM - Re: Windshield (Larry Bourne)
18. 07:58 AM - Re: john hauk on mush stall (Larry Cottrell)
19. 08:06 AM - Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale (Larry Bourne)
20. 08:10 AM - Re: Windshield (Larry Bourne)
21. 08:58 AM - Fogging (Joe Allman)
22. 09:01 AM - Windshield Rubber Channel (John Hauck)
23. 09:03 AM - Windshields (John Hauck)
24. 09:11 AM - Kolb Firestar II for Sale (Joe Allman)
25. 09:46 AM - Re: john hauk on mush stall (Vincehallam@aol.com)
26. 10:02 AM - Re: Fogging (John Hauck)
27. 10:14 AM - Re: john hauk on mush stall (John Hauck)
28. 10:15 AM - Re: Fogging (Christopher Armstrong)
29. 10:19 AM - Re: Fogging (John Hauck)
30. 10:33 AM - Re: Fogging (Mhqqqqq@aol.com)
31. 10:35 AM - Re: john hauk on mush stall (Christopher Armstrong)
32. 10:36 AM - Re: Fogging (Christopher Armstrong)
33. 10:45 AM - Re: Windshield (possums)
34. 10:50 AM - Re: Windshields (CaptainRon)
35. 11:19 AM - Re: Windshields (John Hauck)
36. 03:19 PM - BRS Parachutes (John Raeburn)
37. 03:51 PM - Re: BRS Parachutes (Duncan McBride)
38. 04:53 PM - S&F roster (Bob Bean)
39. 06:27 PM - Re: Fogging (Bruce n' Kathy)
40. 07:04 PM - Flying (Paul Petty)
41. 08:45 PM - Re: Flying (Richard Pike)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
John Wood,
Very glad to hear you and your passenger are ok. That is the most important
thing.
John Cooley
"do not archive"
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Question? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hi Gang,
This first sentence should have read "I think your color choices are in very
good taste". I'm sure there are other mistakes, but this one just jumps out
at you.
"do not archive"
Later,
John Cooley
"snip"
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Paint Question?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
>
> Hi Don/Gang,
>
> I thing your color choices are in very good taste.
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| Subject: | Re: Color match? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Ron
Jim and Dondi told me to compare the poly paint chart to the powder coating
on the plane.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
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----- Original Message -----
From: <RWilliJill@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Color match?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: RWilliJill@aol.com
>
> John
>
> It was done by whoever Kolb sends them to. My kit was received in
September
> of 1999. I didn't realize there might be a difference in different shops
that
> do the procedure so I'll take your suggestion and call Kolb and maybe they
> can tell me.
>
> Thanks John
>
> Ron W
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Kolb Firestar II for Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James" <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
It has a divider, but the divider has a quick release and there is a sling
seat rolled up underneath. You just unroll the sling seat and put in the
pins.... poof... its a two seater.
James
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pike [mailto:rwpike@charter.net]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar II for Sale
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Nice airplane. Can't tell from looking - is it a two seater? Does it have a
back seat or is that just a divider? I have someone in mind who might be
interested.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 05:57 PM 3/14/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James"
><James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
>
>Hate to do it, but I think I am going to feel a little more comfortable
>learning and getting a couple hours on a tricycle gear two place trainer,
so
>here goes. I know, I just bought it and haven't given it a chance yet, but
I
>gotta do what feels right.
>
>2002 Kolb Firestar II For Sale or Trade - 29 hours TTAE, 503 DCDI, 3
>Blade ground adjustable IVO prop / B-box, Tundra Tires, BRS-750, EIS with
>VSI/Fuel/Altitude (vertical card compass and ASI on panel as well),
>Steerable tailwheel, beautiful custom interior, full and partial enclosure
>included, external antanae, differential heal brakes, custom paint.
Pictures
>can be seen at http://www.shutterfly.com/os.jsp?i=67b0de21b336399b2568 .
>Want a two seat trainer 3 Axis or trike, tandem or side by side as this is
>too much of a hot rod taildragger for me (novice pilot). Asking 13,500 and
>will include a Compaq Ipaq with GPS in the deal. Fairly firm on price for
>sale, however would be willing to work a better deal for a trade. Plane is
>in Charlotte NC, phone 704-236-6953 or email at
aldersonjames2002@yahoo.com.
>
>James Alderson
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
Never fogged my 582, sounds like a real mess with all the blowing sand
around here. I just keep the plane indoors when not flying.
Dave Rains
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Neitzel [SMTP:neitzel@newnorth.net]
Subject: Kolb-List: Windshield
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Neitzel" <neitzel@newnorth.net>
Greetings
I trial fit the windshield on my Mark III today by pulling it into place
with some nylon straps. With the lexan on the outside of the top lip of
the nose cone there is a considerable gap between the windshield posts and
the lexan near the instrument panel. Is this appropriate? Looks to me
that air flow would be better and that the lexan would fit better if it
were tucked underneath the top lip of the nose cone.
Also I attended a ultra light safety seminar a few days ago and the last
speaker was from Rotax. I learned a couple of things that I will pass
along. When I mounted the exhaust manifold to my 582, Kolb instructs to
use three Allen head bolts per port. Rotax says that either use two bolts
per port (opposite corners) or four bolts to avoid warping of the manifold.
I didn't like the idea of only two bolts so I went to the local hardware
store and purchase two of the longest all thread metric bolts that I could
find. I cut the heads off and spun the studs in and carefully put nuts on
the studs. Takes about three hands to hold the manifold back till both
nuts are started and hold the gaskets in place, but it can be done. I then
drilled small holes in the remaining Allen head bolts and after applying
the correct torque I secured them with safety wire. If the nuts come loose
they can not come off because of studs close proximity to the manifold.
The other thing that the Rotax guy said was after shutting down it is a
good idea to spray fogging oil in the intakes and plug holes. Then put a
plug in the exhaust pipe and bag the carburetors. He said to do this after
every flight. Still have not run my 582 but have been fogging and turning
engine over regularly. I was wondering if you guys fog and how often?
Thank you all ahead of time
Dick Neitzel Mark III 582 Sayner WI neitzel@newnorth.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Duncan McBride <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
I used 3/16 stainless machine screws every 6 inches or so to hold the front
of the windshield down. At the edge where the lexan has to be pulled in to
meet the posts it does deform a little but a well placed screw will hold the
corner down. If you're going to mount the compass nearby, use nonmagnetic
screws. To overcome the whistling of the wind around the protruding edges,
I just keep the rpm above 4000 ;<)
Duncan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Windshield
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Yah, the lip hasta be strong, cause there'll prob'ly be a fair amount of
> force on it. My concern wasn't so much for drag, (on a Kolb ??) but for
> possible whistling with the edges out in the main airstream, and for it
> possibly acting as a scoop to funnel air right into my face, if it wasn't
a
> perfect fit..............considering my precision chop, hack & fit
> techniques. Theory, yes, but sounds reasonable to me. Is it my turn now
??
> Let's see - Aluminum Butcher is already taken, and I don't live in
Branden,
> anyway. How 'bout the Lexan Butcher of the Desert ?? Windy
> Lar. (Hoooooo - wide open..........:-) )
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <rowedl@highstream.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Windshield
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Larry Bourne <biglar@gogittum.com>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Windshield
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> > >
> > > I thought the same way when I trial fit my windshield, so I built it
to
> be
> > > in-line with the nose cone. Figured there'd be less noise, and wind
> > > intrusion. We'll soon find out. There's a brief description on my
> > website
> > > under "Building Vamoose," "Gull Wing Doors." Sorry, I don't have a
> > picture
> > > handy. What I did was epoxy strips of lexan around the inside of the
> nose
> > > cone lip, for the windshield to seat against. Gogittum Lar.
> > >
> > Richard,
> > As Lar said, you surely want a strong lip for the windscreen to set on
or
> it
> > will turn inside out and possibly land on your lap, setting on the nose
> cone
> > gives it a large part of its strength. I don't think the drag issue is
a
> > concern, these are not RV-6s.
> > Denny
> >
> >
> > > Larry Bourne
> > > Palm Springs, CA
> > > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> > > www.gogittum.com
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Richard Neitzel" <neitzel@newnorth.net>
> > > To: "kolb list" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kolb-List: Windshield
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Neitzel"
> > <neitzel@newnorth.net>
> > > >
> > > > Greetings
> > > >
> > > > I trial fit the windshield on my Mark III today by pulling it into
> place
> > > with some nylon straps. With the lexan on the outside of the top lip
of
> > the
> > > nose cone there is a considerable gap between the windshield posts and
> the
> > > lexan near the instrument panel. Is this appropriate? Looks to me
> that
> > > air flow would be better and that the lexan would fit better if it
were
> > > tucked underneath the top lip of the nose cone.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:john hauk on mush stall |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com
John
A flat stall at any high rate of descent would {I think} only show
the forward component as indicated airspeed even though asa you say the
total vector is 60 mph or above at 2000 ft/min If you were eally moving
forward at 50/60 I cant see that you would be stalled axcept momentarily in a
high speed stall involving a hard pullup with high G forces maybe there are
some funny airflows in the case we are discussing affecting pitot or static
pressures what do you think?
Vnz
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
In the Aircraft Spruce catalog, under Rubber Channel, there is one shaped
like a tuning fork, part # 05-01500, that fits the leading edge of the
windshield real well, seals it against the nose fairing. I fit the
windshield without it, and then slip it in place just before riveting the
windshield in place.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:59 PM 3/14/03 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>Yah, the lip hasta be strong, cause there'll prob'ly be a fair amount of
>force on it. My concern wasn't so much for drag, (on a Kolb ??) but for
>possible whistling with the edges out in the main airstream, and for it
>possibly acting as a scoop to funnel air right into my face, if it wasn't a
>perfect fit..............considering my precision chop, hack & fit
>techniques. Theory, yes, but sounds reasonable to me. Is it my turn now ??
>Let's see - Aluminum Butcher is already taken, and I don't live in Branden,
>anyway. How 'bout the Lexan Butcher of the Desert ?? Windy
>Lar. (Hoooooo - wide open..........:-) )
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <rowedl@highstream.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Windshield
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Larry Bourne <biglar@gogittum.com>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Windshield
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> > >
> > > I thought the same way when I trial fit my windshield, so I built it to
>be
> > > in-line with the nose cone. Figured there'd be less noise, and wind
> > > intrusion. We'll soon find out. There's a brief description on my
> > website
> > > under "Building Vamoose," "Gull Wing Doors." Sorry, I don't have a
> > picture
> > > handy. What I did was epoxy strips of lexan around the inside of the
>nose
> > > cone lip, for the windshield to seat against. Gogittum Lar.
> > >
> > Richard,
> > As Lar said, you surely want a strong lip for the windscreen to set on or
>it
> > will turn inside out and possibly land on your lap, setting on the nose
>cone
> > gives it a large part of its strength. I don't think the drag issue is a
> > concern, these are not RV-6s.
> > Denny
> >
> >
> > > Larry Bourne
> > > Palm Springs, CA
> > > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> > > www.gogittum.com
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Richard Neitzel" <neitzel@newnorth.net>
> > > To: "kolb list" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kolb-List: Windshield
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Neitzel"
> > <neitzel@newnorth.net>
> > > >
> > > > Greetings
> > > >
> > > > I trial fit the windshield on my Mark III today by pulling it into
>place
> > > with some nylon straps. With the lexan on the outside of the top lip of
> > the
> > > nose cone there is a considerable gap between the windshield posts and
>the
> > > lexan near the instrument panel. Is this appropriate? Looks to me
>that
> > > air flow would be better and that the lexan would fit better if it were
> > > tucked underneath the top lip of the nose cone.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:john hauk on mush stall |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Mush stall in my old airknocker was a fully controllable regime of
(half) flight.
I never paid much attention to the ASI , but just a touch of the
throttle and
you were back to normal. I did take a neighbor's champ all the way to
plowed ground in that mode , he in the back seat , engine probs, wires
and houses ahead. Zero roll-out, No damage...best landing gear ever
devised. -BB
do not archive
Vincehallam@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com
>
>John
> A flat stall at any high rate of descent would {I think} only show
>the forward component as indicated airspeed even though asa you say the
>total vector is 60 mph or above at 2000 ft/min If you were eally moving
>forward at 50/60 I cant see that you would be stalled axcept momentarily in a
>high speed stall involving a hard pullup with high G forces maybe there are
>some funny airflows in the case we are discussing affecting pitot or static
>pressures what do you think?
>
> Vnz
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
> as this is
>too much of a hot rod taildragger for me (novice pilot).
Are you sure you are talking about a Firestar? I can't imagine it as
being a hot taildragger.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <fisherallman@earthlink.net>
John and Gang,
Shot some landings this evening using full flaperons. It was a little
awkward- back to looking at the ASI a lot!
Seems as if the field of view-feel of the controls..... kept me from
feeling the airplane and flying by the seat of my pants.
Also, a little difficult lean forward, find the lever, and retract the
flaps to complete a touch and go. Let's just say I used a little more
runway than usual. (mostly from side to side)
However, I really liked the slower approach and rollout. All in all I think
I've been converted. Oh yea, full stalls were down from 47 indicated to 42
indicated. Plenty of elevator in all configurations.
Can anyone tell me if those airspeeds ring true for a 200 pound pilot and 7
gallons of fuel?
Everyone, thanks again for all your advice,
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:john hauck on mush stall |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> A flat stall at any high rate of descent would {I think} only show
> the forward component as indicated airspeed
> Vnz
Vnz/Gang:
My mistake. Had my head where it should not have
been.
I'll start over. Mush/stall (flat stall), full
flaps (40 deg), 2,000 fpm. I can not remember
what IAS is because I do not normally check it
unless the MK III starts flying again. This is
the biggest problem with this maneuver, trying to
keep the airplane stalled. It wants to fly.
Disregard the 60-70 mph. Of course the Mark III
would be flying if it was indicating those kinds
of airspeeds. If I get a chance to fly today I
will check it out again and pay particular
attention to IAS. I am thinking maybe 50-55 mph
IAS, but let's wait and see what I get.
I am supposed to fly for a Boy Scout Jamboree
being held on the other side of the farm from my
airstrip. The weather looks lousy this morning.
If it clears up a bit we will fly. Also plan to
fly to our EAA Chap 822 Steak Cookout at Wetumpka
AP for lunch.
Sorry about the confusion. Got too much going on.
john h
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| Subject: | Kolb Firestar II for Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James" <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
Well, opinions are wide ranging, and based on flight experience, and I have
none in taildraggers. I had some people whose opinions I trust fly it and
tell me what they thought. They said I could learn to fly it, but it was not
an extremely great ultralight to start out in. I suppose hot is probably a
little extreme, how about advanced... either way, I flew an XAir and a
Flightstar, and they were much more what I was comfortable with. Another
factor was training. I can't find anybody to train me in a Kolb two place
thats close to me. My airport is not a wide forgiving grass strip, its a
20-25 foot wide paved strip with a fence 10 feet off one side and a pond and
hangars on the other, no mistakes allowed.
james
-----Original Message-----
From: woody [mailto:duesouth@govital.net]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar II for Sale
--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
> as this is
>too much of a hot rod taildragger for me (novice pilot).
Are you sure you are talking about a Firestar? I can't imagine it as
being a hot taildragger.
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List: |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Oh yea, full stalls were down from 47 indicated to 42
> indicated. Plenty of elevator in all configurations.
> Joe
Joe/Gents:
Sounds good to me. :-)
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 08:43 AM 3/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
>In the Aircraft Spruce catalog, under Rubber Channel, there is one shaped
>like a tuning fork, part # 05-01500, that fits the leading edge of the
>windshield real well, seals it against the nose fairing. I fit the
>windshield without it, and then slip it in place just before riveting the
>windshield in place.
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Yep - that's what I put around mine.
The faster you go the tighter it seals and
I don't have the bar in the middle, just pure lexan.
http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Airscoops.jpg
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Dave/Dick,
Uhhhh, sorry to be so dumb, but what's "fogging".
Anonymous Arizona Dave
Do Not Archive (Please)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
:-) Yah, you've got the bar by yer left eye. Either
way.........................?? Tell the truth, I've sat in several Mk
III's, and flown in 2, and I did notice that bar, and the small doors.
Never noticed the bar in the center of mine, and I've done lots of sitting,
making vroom vroom noises. Easy in & out, too, and done lotsa that, as
well. When I drove to Ron Christensen's place 5 (??) yrs ago, and sat in
his Mk III 1/2, the decision to change to gull wings was instant. Once
again, look at the "Gull Wings" section of my website. To each his own.
I yust wanna get this fool thing in the air ! ! ! Maybe throw it off a
cliff ?? Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Windshield
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> At 08:43 AM 3/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
> >
> >In the Aircraft Spruce catalog, under Rubber Channel, there is one shaped
> >like a tuning fork, part # 05-01500, that fits the leading edge of the
> >windshield real well, seals it against the nose fairing. I fit the
> >windshield without it, and then slip it in place just before riveting the
> >windshield in place.
> >
> >Richard Pike
> >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> Yep - that's what I put around mine.
> The faster you go the tighter it seals and
> I don't have the bar in the middle, just pure lexan.
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Airscoops.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:john hauk on mush stall |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <Vincehallam@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:john hauk on mush stall
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com
>
> John
> A flat stall at any high rate of descent would {I think} only
show
> the forward component as indicated airspeed even though asa you say the
> total vector is 60 mph or above at 2000 ft/min If you were eally moving
> forward at 50/60 I cant see that you would be stalled axcept momentarily
in a
> high speed stall involving a hard pullup with high G forces maybe there
are
> some funny airflows in the case we are discussing affecting pitot or
static
> pressures what do you think?
>
> Vnz
I have a firestar, no flaps or flaperons, but I have put it into a "mush-
stall" that shows 40 to 45 on the airspeed indicator. This is of course with
the motor at idle. I control the mush with the up elevator. It is possible
to go to a full stall by holding more elevator. I haven't yet felt inclined
to do a full stall in that configuration. I don't have a variometer, but the
plane is falling at what seems to me to be about 20 degrees?? I did a check
on it last year and lost about a 1000 feet with about 200 forward. All that
I have to do to pull out of it is either drop the nose, or give it more
throttle to begin flying again. I retain the ability to control attitude
throughout, both side to side and up and down, but it "ain't flying".
Larry Cottrell
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I'm not trying to start a flame war here, and it sounds like you've made
your decision, but I'm sure you have other reasons as well for selling the
FireStar. I have flown & checked out in a Challenger, which I'm told has
quite similar flight characteristics to a FlightStar, and found it to be a
sled. Very steady, solid sled, but.................. If you really wanted
to keep the FireStar, it would take very little time to become VERY
comfortable in it; you would quickly appreciate the greater level of
performance................and you're going to be taking instruction anyway,
right ?? I've also flown a Mk II, at El Mirage Dry Lake, (see my website)
and drove it all over the place like a big go-kart, with tail up, and tail
down. Absolutely no problems, and that was long before I started my
tailwheel training. You want some fun, get into an Aeronca Champ, (with an
instructor) and go play. Also, shortly after solo-ing in a Cessna 172 when
I started flying lessons in Port Angeles, WA., I flew it into Sequim, WA.,
which is a fairly short, very narrow strip (altho' with no obstructions on
the sides) and the first few landings were hair raising. In fact, they
weren't even landings. I chickened out, and did go-arounds on the first
couple of trys until it felt good, and I had a good sight picture on the
approach. A little practise, and much caution makes a world of difference
Big Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alderson, James" <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar II for Sale
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James"
<James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
>
> Well, opinions are wide ranging, and based on flight experience, and I
have
> none in taildraggers. I had some people whose opinions I trust fly it and
> tell me what they thought. They said I could learn to fly it, but it was
not
> an extremely great ultralight to start out in. I suppose hot is probably a
> little extreme, how about advanced... either way, I flew an XAir and a
> Flightstar, and they were much more what I was comfortable with. Another
> factor was training. I can't find anybody to train me in a Kolb two place
> thats close to me. My airport is not a wide forgiving grass strip, its a
> 20-25 foot wide paved strip with a fence 10 feet off one side and a pond
and
> hangars on the other, no mistakes allowed.
>
> james
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: woody [mailto:duesouth@govital.net]
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar II for Sale
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
>
> > as this is
> >too much of a hot rod taildragger for me (novice pilot).
>
>
> Are you sure you are talking about a Firestar? I can't imagine it as
> being a hot taildragger.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I was quickly & gently reminded - off List - that Possum flies a
FireStar.................so, no bar at all, right ?? Sorry 'bout that.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Windshield
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> :-) Yah, you've got the bar by yer left eye. Either
> way.........................?? Tell the truth, I've sat in several Mk
> III's, and flown in 2, and I did notice that bar, and the small doors.
> Never noticed the bar in the center of mine, and I've done lots of
sitting,
> making vroom vroom noises. Easy in & out, too, and done lotsa that, as
> well. When I drove to Ron Christensen's place 5 (??) yrs ago, and sat in
> his Mk III 1/2, the decision to change to gull wings was instant. Once
> again, look at the "Gull Wings" section of my website. To each his own.
> I yust wanna get this fool thing in the air ! ! ! Maybe throw it off a
> cliff ?? Lar. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Windshield
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
> >
> > At 08:43 AM 3/15/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
> > >
> > >In the Aircraft Spruce catalog, under Rubber Channel, there is one
shaped
> > >like a tuning fork, part # 05-01500, that fits the leading edge of the
> > >windshield real well, seals it against the nose fairing. I fit the
> > >windshield without it, and then slip it in place just before riveting
the
> > >windshield in place.
> > >
> > >Richard Pike
> > >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> >
> > Yep - that's what I put around mine.
> > The faster you go the tighter it seals and
> > I don't have the bar in the middle, just pure lexan.
> >
> > http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Airscoops.jpg
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <fisherallman@earthlink.net>
Dave,
I'm no expert by any stretch but here goes.
You can buy "Fogging" spray. It's an aerosol that sprays a very fine mist,
fog, of lubricant/corrosion inhibitor. As in the previous post stated, it's
sprayed into the engine via the intake and exhaust manifolds. I have only
used it for prolonged storage but I have no idea what the proper frequency
should be. Apparently Rotax advises we use it much more often.
Joe
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| Subject: | Windshield Rubber Channel |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Gang:
Check out rubber windshield channel. Used in on
the Firestar and MK III.
http://home.sw.rr.com/jhauck/Miss%20P'fer/P3020017.jpg
Used to attach with 3/16 alum rivets. Last
installation attached with SS cap head 3/16
screws. I use a few evenly spaced drops of super
glue all the way down in the bottom of the channel
to help secure the channel to the edge of the
windshield. Spacing is a couple 3 inches or so.
Careful not to get it on the lexan that shows
because it will craze the glass.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Gang:
Here is a better shot of the streamlined rubber
channel:
http://home.sw.rr.com/jhauck/Miss%20P'fer/Pb240022.jpg
john h
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| Subject: | Kolb Firestar II for Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <fisherallman@earthlink.net>
James,
Kolbs are nice, solid, safe airplanes. And the one your own is really nice!
I tend to think that after your dual instruction you may be really sorry you
sold it.
However, someone once told me good conservative judgment was the real
measure of a good pilot. Being realistic regarding your own skills and
limitations will keep you in this great sport for many, many years. If you
feel the Kolb is to advanced you will never be comfortable. It's hard to
have fun if your not comfortable.
Good Luck,
Joe
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:john hauk on mush stall |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com
Hi
Anyone got good info onthe design of th Kaspar wing and what made it
work????
Vnz
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I'm no expert by any stretch but here goes.
> You can buy "Fogging" spray.
> Joe
Joe/Gang:
Amen, Brother! I am not one of those either,
though I am sure plenty of you all have thought
that I think I am, and some of you have told me,
in one way or the other that I am not. hehehe I
never try to be an expert, just share the
experiences, mistakes, mishaps, screwups,
triumphs, tragedies, and a few things I have
learned along the way. Probably several reasons
why I spend my very valuable time trying to do
this. Yep, I have not been salaried in over 23
years when I retired from the Army, but as I get
older I realize how valuable one's time here on
earth is. None of us know how much we have, so I
do not want to waste a second.
In this month's Experimenter is an article
swapping out a blue head 582 for a 912S. Seems to
be a trend.......... I swapped out a 582 for a
912. According to the article, the gentleman was
flying his Adventura, I think, when it got
suddenly quiet. As soon as he got on the ground
he decided he wanted more reliability. Also seems
that this was the first flight after winter
storage which consisted of sitting in the barn all
winter exactly like he left it the year before
with absolutely not storage prep. After tear down
it was discovered that the con rod bearings had
rusted causing failure and lockup. It is always
something so simple when an engine quits. Hardly
ever hear of one falling apart. Some little
something, very minute, causes the start of a
chain reaction that eventually puts us on the
ground, one way or the other, whether we like it
or not.
Might be worth looking into this winter storage
thing, especially for two strokes.
Some folks use Marvel Mystery Oil for storage.
Some folks use fogging oil for storage. Some
don't do anything. I belong to the latter group.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:john hauk on mush stall |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Hi
> Anyone got good info onthe design of th Kaspar wing and what made it
> work????
>
> Vnz
Vince/Gang:
Nope! Not right at hand. But I did get to see
miracle maneuver that Kasper Wings were worthy of
at the Flight Farm, Monterey, NY, 1988 or 89. I
was told that the Kasper Wing could be put in a
mush/stall, decend almost straight down, like on a
string, then just before it drove itself into the
ground, a slight flare, and tough down light as a
feather (if everything was done right :-) ).
Might be able to pull up some stuff on a Google
search.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <cen33475@CenturyTel.net>
Uhhhh, sorry to be so dumb, but what's "fogging".
spraying oil in the engine to pickle it for storage. ussually done for
longer storage then just a week or two. One caution, though, your rotax can
run on the stuff. I had my 503 up on my plane and knew I would not be
working on it in my unheated shop over the winter here in the frigid wastes
of north west wisconsin. it has no fuel or electrical system yet, so the
spark is not grounded so it is fireing the plugs, but I didnt think to pull
the plug wires off. I sprayed both intakes with the fogging oil and then
pulled the starteer cord very slowly through a couple of times. the third
time I pulled maybe 1/2 the speed I would if I was going to try to start it
workshop! talk about scared stupid. ran for maybe 6 seconds never getting
above fast idle, lifted the tail off the tailwheel a foot or so, and then
ran out of the fogging oil. SO pull the plug wires if you are pickling your
engine and dont have the wireing done yet!!!!
Topher
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Yep, I have not been salaried in over 23
> years when I retired from the Army, but as I get
> older I realize how valuable one's time here on
> earth is. None of us know how much we have, so I
> do not want to waste a second.
Gang:
And I meant to add, but got in a hurry, as usual,
"I don't want to see people make the same mistakes
I made with our airplanes and waste all that time
that I have already invested." But I understand,
and I am the same way, some of us just gotta try
and see if we can do it our way no matter what.
Must be the adventurer, explorer, inquisitive
nature in most of us home builders. Much
different from the guys that buy those erector set
airplanes you can build in an afternoon. hehehe
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mhqqqqq@aol.com
I have not kept up on all the items on the list so if I repeat anything I'm
sorry
if you use synthetic oil it tends to not stick to metal for long periods of
time. (winter storage for example). in such a case I would fog or oil up in
some way.
remember if you dump oil in the spark plug hole you will need to spin the
engine over a few times without the plugs in before you try to start it after
the storage is done.
Mark H.
twinstar
south east mn
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| Subject: | : Kolb-List:john hauk on mush stall |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <cen33475@CenturyTel.net>
Hi
Anyone got good info onthe design of th Kaspar wing and what made it
work????
Vnz
try these:
http://www.nasm.si.edu/nasm/aero/aircraft/cascade.htm
http://www.kasperwing.com/
http://members.cox.net/twitt/KASPBIBLIO.html
topher
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" <cen33475@CenturyTel.net>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Armstrong
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Fogging
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong"
<cen33475@CenturyTel.net>
try this again I errased a line in there somehow
Uhhhh, sorry to be so dumb, but what's "fogging".
spraying oil in the engine to pickle it for storage. ussually done for
longer storage then just a week or two. One caution, though, your rotax can
run on the stuff. I had my 503 up on my plane and knew I would not be
working on it in my unheated shop over the winter here in the frigid wastes
of north west wisconsin. it has no fuel or electrical system yet, so the
spark is not grounded so it is fireing the plugs, but I didnt think to pull
the plug wires off. I sprayed both intakes with the fogging oil and then
pulled the starteer cord very slowly through a couple of times. the third
time I pulled maybe 1/2 the speed I would if I was going to try to start it
I had a spinning propeller on my untied down plane inside my
workshop! talk about scared stupid. ran for maybe 6 seconds never getting
above fast idle, lifted the tail off the tailwheel a foot or so, and then
ran out of the fogging oil. SO pull the plug wires if you are pickling your
engine and dont have the wireing done yet!!!!
Topher
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 08:08 AM 3/15/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>I was quickly & gently reminded - off List - that Possum flies a
>FireStar.................so, no bar at all, right ?? Sorry 'bout that.
>Lar. Do not Archive.
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> > :-) Yah, you've got the bar by yer left eye. Either
> > way.........................?? Tell the truth
Yeah and I can still out land most people with a camera strapped to my head,
shooting videos, flying left handed with one eye closed ; )
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
Has anyone thought or tried to build a fiberglass lip into which the
windshield will slip in?
After scoping all the posts on this, I am getting the idea Of simply
removing the gel/primer off the pod about an inch or two ahead of where the
WS meets the pod, and using the windshield as a mold(with a wrapper) build
up about four laminates of FG around it.
If I don't forget, I think I'll do just that. It should solve any an all
water leakage and wind into the pod. I can always add a bit of Silicon into
the mold to keep it nice and leak free.
=================
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Gang:
>
> Here is a better shot of the streamlined rubber
> channel:
>
> http://home.sw.rr.com/jhauck/Miss%20P'fer/Pb240022.jpg
>
> john h
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Has anyone thought or tried to build a fiberglass lip into which the
> windshield will slip in? Ron
Ron/Gents:
Yes, people have gone to all that trouble to
accomplish the same thing we have been doing with
the windshields since the first original Firestar
kit was shipped. Just like in my msg and photo I
posted a short time ago, Kolb has used streamlined
windshield neoprene channel. One slight problem
with the channel on the MK III. Channel
manufactured for 1/16" thick glass. MK III
windshield is 1/8" thick. To get around that, I
used a die grinder and burr to bevel the upper lip
of the channel. Works great. Satisfied the
Judges at Lakeland and Oshkosh, but not near as
work intensive as laying up the fiberglass lip.
BTW: No problem with wind noise, wind leaks, or
rain water intrusion, with the rubber channel.
All those problems leak through the hinge line.
hehehe As far as wind noise? The engine and prop
are making so much noise the only way to hear wind
noise is to shut down the engine. Then if you are
wearing a good head set, you still do not hear any
wind noise, if there is any.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Raeburn <raeburn@snowhill.com>
I am planing on installing a BRS parachute on my Kolb MK III (Classic). It
has a Rotax 582 engine.
BRS recommends either using 1050 VLS or a 1050 canister system.
Any suggestions on which is the better type to buy?
John Raeburn
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| Subject: | Re: BRS Parachutes |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Duncan McBride <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
I have the VLS and I've seen Mark III's with both the VLS and the canister.
If I had to choose between them I'd go with the canister. The VLS is too
big to fit in the overhead gap seal, so it has to stick out above. It
requires a much bigger hole and sealing around it is a problem. A canister
completely above the gap would fit better and I don't think it would have
that much more drag. The best solution? A soft pack fitted completely
within the airframe. That's what I'll do when I build another plane.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Raeburn" <raeburn@snowhill.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: BRS Parachutes
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Raeburn <raeburn@snowhill.com>
>
> I am planing on installing a BRS parachute on my Kolb MK III (Classic). It
> has a Rotax 582 engine.
>
> BRS recommends either using 1050 VLS or a 1050 canister system.
> Any suggestions on which is the better type to buy?
>
> John Raeburn
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
18 names on the kolbpilot list so far. Don't be bashful. -BB
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce n' Kathy" <n3nrr@erols.com>
I'm new to ultralights, but old to engines.
Here is the first rule of thumb that has been learned and observed.
IF you have been flying the ultralight / airplane within the last 2 days
ok, No problem but do a thurogh preflight.
If it has been 2 weeks to 2 months or whatever. Run it up to 7/8 or
full throttle for a minimum of 1 -2 minutes every time before you
fly. Yep what a pain for taildraggers, but your BUTT is worth it.
Yes accidents do happen, but from observations, most crashes or
(Incidents) were from starving engine at take off for whatever reason,
or lack of pre-flight.
I would think my but is worth a 1 - 2 minute run up on whatever I fly.
just my nickels worth(inflation)
--
Bruce n' Kathy
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Folk's,
Had the chance to fly today after 4 weeks of bad weather on weekend's. Got in 1.3
with my CFI and did stalls for the first time!!! OMG! first one scared the
living daylights out of me. It seemed to fall out of the sky! I was not ready
for what the plane (c-150) was going to do. First one was with power off, and
it fell to the left and almost spun. Second I kept the ball in the center and
was quick enough on the recovery to balance and power up and level off without
losing altitude, better, third was perfect and felt ok!:-) Next was power on
stall's those went fine. I now know what it feels like to STOP FLYING! Anyway
to make this Kolb related I'm wondering? How do Kolb's (in relation to Cessna
150's) stall? Do you fall? Or do you more or less float with wind direction with
them being lighter and a pusher rather than a tractor? Hoping to go up in a
Kolb at Sun and Fun. 25.7 hrs and not soloe'd yet. Yeah I'm chicken. Tomorrow
I get to go up in a old Sterman bi-wing that a local fly's and does full aerobatic's.
Recon I'll puke?
The RV-8 got 2 hrs today and soon....... I'll get to ride back seat in that machine.
Got to sit in it today (because I've lost 32 pounds on the Adkins's diet)
and WOW want a different perspective view of sitting in a cockpit! Can't image
tearing down a runway with 200hp and not being able to see where tha heck
your going. Tail draggers hu way off for me! Any way hope yall are having as much
fun as me!
later
pp....
N4958P
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
In a tractor type aircraft when you are doing power off or partial power
stalls, you add power as part of the normal stall recovery. In a Kolb, or
any pusher with a high thrust line, you recover from the stall first, and
then add power. Before you get that high thrust line thrusting, you want
the wing flying first, or else you get to learn a new unusual attitude,
called "The Tuck". Discuss this with your flight instructor, and make sure
he/she understands and can explain to you why this is true, and if they are
unclear on the concept, get a different instructor.
Aside from that, Kolb's stall just like anything else, more or less, but in
a MKIII, you can hear the prop cavitate in slow flight just before the
power on stall, especially with two people. Homer's automatic stall warning
horn...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 09:04 PM 3/15/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
>Folk's,
>Had the chance to fly today after 4 weeks of bad weather on weekend's. Got
>in 1.3 with my CFI and did stalls for the first time!!! OMG! first one
>scared the living daylights out of me. It seemed to fall out of the sky! I
>was not ready for what the plane (c-150) was going to do. First one was
>with power off, and it fell to the left and almost spun. Second I kept the
>ball in the center and was quick enough on the recovery to balance and
>power up and level off without losing altitude, better, third was perfect
>and felt ok!:-) Next was power on stall's those went fine. I now know what
>it feels like to STOP FLYING! Anyway to make this Kolb related I'm
>wondering? How do Kolb's (in relation to Cessna 150's) stall? Do you fall?
>Or do you more or less float with wind direction with them being lighter
>and a pusher rather than a tractor?
>later
>pp....
>N4958P
>
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