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1. 04:14 AM - Re: Fogging (Dave Rains)
2. 05:41 AM - Re: Flying (johnjung@compusenior.com)
3. 05:48 AM - John Woods accident (Airgriff2@aol.com)
4. 05:55 AM - Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale (johnjung@compusenior.com)
5. 06:31 AM - Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale (Alderson, James)
6. 08:42 AM - Re: Flying (Larry Bourne)
7. 08:44 AM - Re: S&F roster (John Hauck)
8. 08:52 AM - Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale (Larry Bourne)
9. 09:09 AM - Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale (John Hauck)
10. 09:34 AM - Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale (CaptainRon)
11. 10:02 AM - Kolb (Bruce McElhoe)
12. 10:07 AM - Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale (HShack@aol.com)
13. 12:06 PM - Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale (Richard Pike)
14. 12:34 PM - Monument Valley trip (John Raeburn)
15. 12:42 PM - PLEASE READ - Pending ISP Upgrade For Matronics... (Matt Dralle)
16. 01:25 PM - Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale (SR3SA2L1@aol.com)
17. 01:35 PM - Slow Flight (Larry Bourne)
18. 01:41 PM - Re: Slow Flight (Larry Bourne)
19. 03:16 PM - rubber windshield channel (boyd young)
20. 03:48 PM - winshield rubber needed (Timandjan@aol.com)
21. 05:57 PM - Mk III vs Firestar (Peter Volum)
22. 05:57 PM - Re: winshield rubber needed (Gary robert voigt)
23. 06:16 PM - Re: Mk III vs Firestar (John Hauck)
24. 06:19 PM - Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale (John Cooley)
25. 06:39 PM - Mk III Wheel Pants (Duncan McBride)
26. 08:12 PM - Re: winshield rubber needed (Timandjan@aol.com)
27. 08:26 PM - Re: winshield rubber needed (Timandjan@aol.com)
28. 09:13 PM - Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale (GeoR38@aol.com)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
I think I now understand the concept. You aren't flying during the winter, right?
No need to fog, pickle, preserve, engines around El Paso, they fly every weekend.
Dave.
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From: John Hauck [SMTP:jhauck@elmore.rr.com]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fogging
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Might be worth looking into this winter storage
thing, especially for two strokes.
Some folks use Marvel Mystery Oil for storage.
Some folks use fogging oil for storage. Some
don't do anything. I belong to the latter group.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "johnjung@compusenior.com" <johnjung@compusenior.com>
Paul and Group,
I had around 25 dual hours in a 150 when I started flying a Firestar. I never got
comfortable stalling the 150 without an instructor with me, but the Firestar did
not bother me at all. My Firestar never dropped a wing and tried to spin. It was
fast to recover, just by putting the stick forward. I even stalled the Firestar
with the engine off. No prop cavitation warning in that mode.
John Jung
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net <mailto:ppetty@c-gate.net>>
Folk's,
Had the chance to fly today after 4 weeks of bad weather on weekend's. Got
in 1.3
with my CFI and did stalls for the first time!!! OMG! first one scared the
living daylights out of me. It seemed to fall out of the sky! I was not ready
for what the plane (c-150) was going to do. First one was with power off,
and
it fell to the left and almost spun. Second I kept the ball in the center
and
was quick enough on the recovery to balance and power up and level off without
losing altitude, better, third was perfect and felt ok!:-) Next was power
on
stall's those went fine. I now know what it feels like to STOP FLYING! Anyway
to make this Kolb related I'm wondering? How do Kolb's (in relation to Cessna
150's) stall? Do you fall? Or do you more or less float with wind direction
with
them being lighter and a pusher rather than a tractor?
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| Subject: | John Woods accident |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
John, isn't it amazing how focused you become at achieving the task at
hand, during an emergency? Seems as though you can hear every instructor
you've ever had, saying to you, "FLY THE PLANE !" You should be very proud
of yourself for doing an excellent job of just that. Things that were not
in your control were the shrubs, mud and soft ground. A good day for you and
your passenger, unhurt.
Fly Safe
Bob Griffin
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "johnjung@compusenior.com" <johnjung@compusenior.com>
James,
I would like to suggest another alternative for your consideration: Fly
the Firestar on another runway for a while before you sell it. Then
dicide if the Firestar will handle your runway. Here is why I suggest
this. I have flown 6 ultralights/light aircraft out of a short (550 ft),
narrow (28 ft) runway, and a Firestar would be my first choise for
narrow. It also has no problem with short, up to a limit.
Your runway does sound marginal, at best, for any plane.
John Jung
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| Subject: | Kolb Firestar II for Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James" <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
This has been quite amazing. I put the Firestar ad on several sites
(Barnstormers, UltralightHomepage, etc.) and have gotten a ton of responses
already. The amazing part is that the majority of the responses have been
people telling me that I should just fly the Firestar. I have even had
several responses from BFI's that have offered their instruction services to
teach me how to fly this ultralight, and one that was brought to me with the
help of a list member (thanks again Jim). He put me in touch with a guy in
my area that teaches out of a grass strip (his own) and has a huge hangar on
it. He said he will come and pick up the Firestar, fly it to his field,
hangar it, and teach me out of his or another larger grass strip close to
him. From what I can tell, alot of people think VERY highly of the Kolb and
do not think I am making the right move in selling it just because I have
been told its not the best first ultralight to learn on (in fact John, I
read through the archives and found one post from you that said that you
beleive one should be a private pilot before flying the Firestar). I think
it speaks very highly of the reputation for a great machine that the Kolb
has even with non Kolb pilots.
My field is pretty narrow, as one guy put it, its the kind of field that you
take off from, look back, and its gone. Its got trees on both ends, wires on
one of them, and water around it. I think its actually a fairly nice field
for ultralights, but doesn't offer a bunch of room for mistakes. There have
been a few ultralights end up in the pond. If you go to this link (
http://www.longaviation.com/Goose_Creek_Airport.html.htm ), you can find a
picture of it from the air, plenty long enough, but a little tight. The
trees create some interesting rotors across the runway.
Anyway, this wordy response was to say thanks for the advice, and I have
some thinking to do. I now believe I am over thinking the fear of the Kolb
and its taildragger. I don't like a few things about the Firestar, the
bouncing of the ailerons from the weights to balance them, the heal brakes
are not easy to get used to, and the rattling of the control wires in the
boom is unnerving.
Thanks,
James
-----Original Message-----
From: johnjung@compusenior.com [mailto:johnjung@compusenior.com]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar II for Sale
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "johnjung@compusenior.com"
<johnjung@compusenior.com>
James,
I would like to suggest another alternative for your consideration: Fly
the Firestar on another runway for a while before you sell it. Then
dicide if the Firestar will handle your runway. Here is why I suggest
this. I have flown 6 ultralights/light aircraft out of a short (550 ft),
narrow (28 ft) runway, and a Firestar would be my first choise for
narrow. It also has no problem with short, up to a limit.
Your runway does sound marginal, at best, for any plane.
John Jung
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Regarding stalls, and other manuevers in the air...........................I
kind of think it's a matter of degree, and of training. On my 1st real solo
flight, the day after solo-ing, I didn't even like to change the throttle
setting. I needed the comfort of the steady roar up front. (C-172) Stalls
with the instructor bothered me at 1st, but I soon got used to them, and
actually started enjoying them, tho' not on this 1st day by myself. Several
years ago, I told the story of getting into an inadvertent over-the-top spin
later in that 1st solo flight. Talk about an upholstery ripper ! !
!................I doubt if I had ever really known "terrified" before that
incident. I thank a good instructor (Roger Hanson) for the preliminary
training that let me save my bacon that day. Six nervous months or so
later, I told my instrument ground school instructor (Richard Peterson)
about it, so - to shorten a long story - I rented a Cessna 150, and we went
flying. He put me thru right & left spins, then taught me wing-overs
(exciting & fun) and chandelles. We quit when I started getting
air-sick.............and it was a long, careful ride back to the airport.
Point is................I got used to stalls fairly quickly, and now I
really know the pre-stall symptoms & stall recovery. The 1st deliberate
spin was totally dis-orienting; the 4th or 5th had me counting turns before
pull-out, and discussing it with the instructor - while spinning. To this
day - 8 yrs later - I haven't done a spin without an instructor in the
plane, just in case, but I sure know what pre-spin feels like, how to avoid
it, and how to recover, if necessary. I plan to do the same when Vamoose is
flying. During training, I spent - due to financial concerns - a large
amount of time practising slow flight. Shortly after getting my pilot's
license, that saved my bacon, too, due to an idiot maneuver I pulled. Now,
I still play with slow flight from time to time, so's to stay comfortable
with it. You'll be amazed at what you can do while hanging on the prop. In
the near future I fully intend to find out for myself how all this
translates to a pusher aircraft. I firmly believe that if there's an aspect
of flight that you're not comfortable with - go do it (with an instructor) -
over and over - till you ARE comfortable with it. An emergency is not the
time to start school. Paul Petty, I really enjoyed your description of your
flight. It only gets better, believe me. I'm also enjoying your HD engine
progress. Keep 'er up. GoGittum Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> 18 names on the kolbpilot list so far. Don't be bashful. -BB
Good Morning Gang:
Looks like I will have plenty of time to
socialize, rest, and see the sights at S&F this
year. After asking me to fly their new Fire Fly,
New Kolb notified me that I was not needed.
Something about my name not being included on the
insurance that is necessary for manufacturers at
S&F.
Was not too fond of getting up every morning at
0530 to attend the daily briefing.
Guess I won't be able to reaffirm past flight
characteristics of the Fire Fly either.
However, there is a good side to it. List Member
John Williamson is flying in from Arlington, TX.
I haven't asked him yet, but he may invite me
along on his flight down to Key West. :-) We'll
see what happens after I get to Lakeland. It may
be cheaper flying to Key West than it is camping
at Sun and Fun, based on the outrageous fees they
charged folks last year. During that week, there
is some terribly expensive real estate in that
part of Florida.
Soon as I get my septic system operating again,
hopefully today, I will pull the tail section off
Miss P'fer to repair the upper vertical
stabilizer. Times a wasting. Two weeks until
time to go south.
john h
PS: My flight for the Boy Scout Jamboree got
weathered out. For one thing, my airstrip was too
wets to operate on, under normal conditions.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
That's good news, James. Remember - you won't be a beginner for long. That
instructor sounds like a good guy, and he's giving you a good deal. I'd
say, "Go For It." When you 1st make an approach to your airport, there's
nothing that says you "have to land." If it doesn't feel right, go around,
again and again, if necessary, till it does feel right. The heel brakes get
more comfortable with time. I haven't flown with mine yet, but can already
hit them every time, due to lots of vroom vroom noises in the cockpit.
Tailwire clanging...............maybe tighten them a bit, or wear a good
headset ?? They won't do it in the air, in any case. I'm really not
sure what to think about "the ailerons bouncing due to the balancing
weights." Any of you guys have an answer ?? Seems to me that if they're
properly balanced, they shouldn't bounce. (???) Puzzled Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alderson, James" <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar II for Sale
>
> Anyway, this wordy response was to say thanks for the advice, and I have
> some thinking to do. I now believe I am over thinking the fear of the Kolb
> and its taildragger. I don't like a few things about the Firestar, the
> bouncing of the ailerons from the weights to balance them, the heal brakes
> are not easy to get used to, and the rattling of the control wires in the
> boom is unnerving.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: johnjung@compusenior.com [mailto:johnjung@compusenior.com]
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar II for Sale
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "johnjung@compusenior.com"
> <johnjung@compusenior.com>
>
> James,
>
> I would like to suggest another alternative for your consideration: Fly
> the Firestar on another runway for a while before you sell it. Then
> dicide if the Firestar will handle your runway. Here is why I suggest
> this. I have flown 6 ultralights/light aircraft out of a short (550 ft),
> narrow (28 ft) runway, and a Firestar would be my first choise for
> narrow. It also has no problem with short, up to a limit.
>
> Your runway does sound marginal, at best, for any plane.
>
> John Jung
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> My field is pretty narrow
> I don't like a few things about the Firestar, the
> bouncing of the ailerons from the weights to balance them, the heal brakes
> are not easy to get used to, and the rattling of the control wires in the
> boom is unnerving.
> James
James/Gang:
Your conception of a small restricted airstrip and
mine are far different. 2350 X 35 asphalt
airstrip is adequate for most single engine GA
aircraft. A Kolb Firestar could make two, three,
or four T/O's and landings on that piece of
pavement alone. I fly off 750' of grass and only
use a small part of it in the MK III. Take your
time, get good dual instruction, learn to fly your
Firestar. I don't think a private ticket has
anything to do with safe and successful flight in
a Kolb, but learning to fly Kolbs requires, to be
safe, the adequate amount of dual instruction.
After you learn to fly your airplane, a landing at
Goose Creek will be like landing at Hartsfield
International in ATL.
Don't worry about the ailerons and the
counterbalance weights. Be glad you have them.
The heel brakes you will get used to with
practice. My pedals are a lot smaller than
yours. Keep your headset on when you taxi and you
won't hear the cables in the tailboom. Cables
have been rattling in Homer Kolb's airplanes since
day one. A sure indication that it is a Kolb.
Have fun and fly safe,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <CaptainRon@theriver.com>
If I read your link correctly the rwy is about 2300 feet. I can land my
Beech on that strip with no problems. I doubt that you would have any
problems at all with an Ultralight. My impression is that you will be
airborn and way high off the ground long before you will ever see the end of
the rwy, and same thing in reverse on landing. Your concerns are not related
to the Kolb's performance. What you do need to do is build confidence in
your general piloting skills.
===============================
3/16/03 7:30Alderson, James
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James"
> <James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
>
> This has been quite amazing. I put the Firestar ad on several sites
> (Barnstormers, UltralightHomepage, etc.) and have gotten a ton of responses
> already. The amazing part is that the majority of the responses have been
> people telling me that I should just fly the Firestar. I have even had
> several responses from BFI's that have offered their instruction services to
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce McElhoe" <mcelhoe@cvip.net>
Jim,
Give yourself a little more time before you give up on the Kolb. The BFI
with the grass field sounds wonderful.
I have flown GA airplanes for 50 years, and I found learning to fly my Kolb
to be a big challenge. I have about 5 hours now, and am just now beginning
to feel comfortable.
I can tell already that this is FUN flying. I can also tell that it is very
different from a big GA airplane. In some ways, it is like learning to fly
all over again.
Stay with it.
Regards,
Bruce McElhoe FireFly #88
Reedley, Calif.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 3/16/03 9:31:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
James_Alderson@jdedwards.com writes:
> My field is pretty narrow, as one guy put it, its the kind of field that you
> take off from, look back, and its gone. Its got trees on both ends, wires
> on
> one of them, and water around it. I think its actually a fairly nice field
> for ultralights, but doesn't offer a bunch of room for mistakes.
>
Jim, here's something I think will help.
Tie the tailwheel to a tree or you car's bumper with a good strong rope.
Leave about 15' between the two. Get in &, with the engine running, slowly
increase power, While holding neutral stick, eventually the tail will come
up. Don't worry, the tail can't go too high- no matter how much power.
At about 4500-5000 rpm the tail should stay up without any stick inputs.
Play with the elevator a lot so as to get a good feel for it. You can also
practice using the rudder while the tail is up.
When ready to set the tail back down, cut the throttle slowly so as to not
drop the tail hard.
You should not have any trouble flying the Firestar II. When I took my UL
lessons in a tricycle Quicksilver, I had never flown anything. After my
lessons, I just got in my Firestar & tied it down & ran it as above. I then
taxied it about an hour, going a little faster each trip up the runway. At
the end of the hour the tail was coming up & I was steering with the rudder
instead of the tailwheel. Do this with little wind.
Then I just took off & flew. After I calmed down a little, I landed &
immediately took off again. Did about 30 touch & go's in a row.
The Firestar II is in no way squirrely on the ground. The tail will come up
in about 3 seconds. Another 3 seconds & you're off the ground. You will
have to hold some right rudder to counteract torque, etc.
Within a week you can be a Kolb tailwheel pilot. Keep the Firestar- you
won't be sorry.
Shack
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Kolb Firestar II for Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
At 07:30 AM 3/16/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James"
><James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
>My field is pretty narrow, as one guy put it, its the kind of field that you
>take off from, look back, and its gone. Its got trees on both ends, wires on
>one of them, and water around it. I think its actually a fairly nice field
>for ultralights, but doesn't offer a bunch of room for mistakes. There have
>been a few ultralights end up in the pond. If you go to this link (
>http://www.longaviation.com/Goose_Creek_Airport.html.htm ), you can find a
>picture of it from the air, plenty long enough, but a little tight. The
>trees create some interesting rotors across the runway.
>One more reason not to sell the Kolb. The Kolb has something going for it
>that a lot of ultralights and light planes don't, and that is control
>authority. There is nothing more disturbing that trying to encourage a
>sloppy handling aircraft to go where you need it to, and it is responding
>like pushing a rope. When there is cross wind, rotors, and a narrow target
>to shoot for, you don't want a gently floating mushmallow, you want a
>sharp tool, and that's what you already have. Keep it.
>Anyway, this wordy response was to say thanks for the advice, and I have
>some thinking to do. I now believe I am over thinking the fear of the Kolb
>and its taildragger. I don't like a few things about the Firestar, the
>bouncing of the ailerons from the weights to balance them,
They are only annoying when it is parked or taxiing, in flight they work
great, and that's all you need to care about.
>the heal brakes
>are not easy to get used to,
Neither are small children. Be patient.
>and the rattling of the control wires in the
>boom is unnerving.
You won't hear them in flight, the prop makes too much noise.
>Thanks,
>
>James
You're welcome
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Monument Valley trip |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Raeburn <raeburn@snowhill.com>
Has anyone come up with an approx. number of aircraft flying in on the
Monument Valley trip in May?
John Raeburn
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| Subject: | PLEASE READ - Pending ISP Upgrade For Matronics... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Matronics Listers,
Sometime during the next 72 hours, the ISP (Internet Service Provider) for
Matronics will be upgrading the level of service to 1.1Mb from the current
768k. When they reprovision the line, there will be an outage requiring
that the local router here be restarted. It is also unclear whether or not
the physical line will support the new rate, so some testing will be
required to verify the new service at the time of installation.
Unfortunately, I don't really have an idea of exactly when they will be
reprovisioning the line, so I wanted to give everyone a heads up on what's
going on. All Matronics List services such as email list redistribution,
subscriptions, and web search and browse will be unavailable during the
upgrade.
In other upgrade news, last Thursday, 3/13/03 I upgraded the firewall
appliance between the Internet and the Matronics systems. This new
firewall represents a substantial increase in performance and hopefully
reliability over the previous system. It will compliment nicely the new
level of ISP connectivity.
Finally, these are just two examples of the upgrades brought to you
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made a Contribution in 2002 and so far this year! Everyone that uses these
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I will post a short message again if I manage to get some clear direction
on the time-frame for upgrade, or perhaps when its been completed.
Thanks again!!
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: SR3SA2L1@aol.com
Hi James,
Been where you are with the Firestar and had the same concerns. Have to
agree with the Captain on this one in that it is not the aircraft you need to
worry about but your own comfort level as a pilot. My first successful
landing ever was in my Firestar. I was doing taxi practice and the beast
took off about a two weeks before I was planning on doing my first solo in
it. I was a low time ultralight student at that time ( 0 time in anything
else) and had never soloed or had a successful landing with my instructor at
that point (lessons were in a two seat T- Bird - flys like a truck). Being
25 lbs lighter than the "standard" pilot that the manual was written for, the
Firestar launched several miles an hour sooner than the book said it would.
It was an "interesting" experience. If I had been in anything other than a
Firestar I am sure I would have been a statistic. The features you are
concerned about saved my bacon ( as well as other parts) and I was able to
land it with no problem even though I had been having trouble with the less
responsive UL I had been taking lessons in.
Think long and hard before you sell it. Get a few hours and a few landings
in anything under your belt then put a few hours on the Firestar and you will
never care if you fly anything else.
Just my experience having been there and done that.
P.S. I am considering an out of country move and may have to sell mine and
it is killing me.
Steve
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Several people have asked me off List, how financial concerns could have anything
to do with slow flight. Right at the end of my training, in about March
of '95, I needed to pay for the night flying portion; the short rent the plane
to fly from Port Angeles to Tacoma, WA., pay for the examiner, etc. It all
added up to quite a few 100 dollars that I didn't have, so I kept flying most
weekends till I'd saved enuf to do it all fairly quickly. Finally made my check
ride in July, so had to keep interested and learning for those months in
between. After 40 hours of it, flying S-turns, squares, turns about a point,
touch & goes, etc., etc. get pretty monotonous, (and I already had 20 hours in
various ultralights) so for the next 20 hours that I flew between, say, April
& July, a large portion of it was slow flight, cause for some reason it stayed
interesting & challenging. It saved my bacon on a flight to a dirt airstrip
in Idaho shortly afterward, when I made a bad boo-boo (read stupid decision)
and tried to do a go-around from a botched landing on a one way downhill
strip with big trees at the end. (Retrospect - shoulda just stuck it down, and
stood on the brakes) Flew that 172 thru the tree tops at the side/end of that
strip - hanging on the prop with the stall warning howling. Landed fine the
2nd time, and came down with a good case of the shakes. "Flying - first
the test, then the lesson." Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Interesting...........it should say - and does, in my "sent messages" file -
the short and long cross-countries; rent the plane, etc...............
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Slow Flight
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Several people have asked me off List, how financial concerns could have
anything to do with slow flight. Right at the end of my training, in
about March of '95, I needed to pay for the night flying portion; the short
rent the plane to fly from Port Angeles to Tacoma, WA., pay for the
examiner, etc. It all added up to quite a few 100 dollars that I didn't
have, so I kept flying most weekends till I'd saved enuf to do it all fairly
quickly. Finally made my check ride in July, so had to keep interested and
learning for those months in between. After 40 hours of it, flying
S-turns, squares, turns about a point, touch & goes, etc., etc. get pretty
monotonous, (and I already had 20 hours in various ultralights) so for the
next 20 hours that I flew between, say, April & July, a large portion of it
was slow flight, cause for some reason it stayed interesting & challenging.
It saved my bacon on a flight to a dirt airstrip in Idaho shortly afterward,
when I made a bad!
> boo-boo (read stupid decision) and tried to do a go-around from a botched
landing on a one way downhill strip with big trees at the end.
(Retrospect - shoulda just stuck it down, and stood on the brakes) Flew
that 172 thru the tree tops at the side/end of that strip - hanging on the
prop with the stall warning howling. Landed fine the 2nd time, and came
down with a good case of the shakes. "Flying - first the test, then the
lesson." Lar. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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"Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
| Subject: | rubber windshield channel |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Gang:
Check out rubber windshield channel. Used in on
the Firestar and MK III.
i overlaped my windshield over the nose cone and drilled some holes thropugh about
every 3 inches, then installes dome 8-32 bolts to hold it in place.... i
took some clear silicone and made a small bead that tapered the nosecone to the
windshile.... i was real happy with the results.
boyd
i can do pictures on request.
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| Subject: | winshield rubber needed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
I need a new piece of the windhsield rubber that is used on the Firestar2,
the piece that goes on the edge and against the nose cone. Aircraft Spruce
sells it only in 12 foot pieces, before I buy the 12 foot piece, does anyone
have a piece left over they will part with??
Thanks,
Tim
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| Subject: | Mk III vs Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
I fly a Mk III. A buddy of mine just sold his Rans S14 and is about to
take delivery of a beautifully built single seat Firestar II. He can do
some dual time with me in my Mk III before going up ion the Firestar,
but as I've never flown a Firestar or a Rans, I can't tell him what to
expect in the way of similarities (or differences) between either the Mk
III or the Rans and the Firestar before he tests it.
Any pointers would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Peter
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| Subject: | Re: winshield rubber needed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
Tim, i bought 24' of it and have some left...just send me your address and
and tell me how many ft' you need and i will ship it to you.... no need to give
me any money!!! i'm just giving back what so many of you have given me on this
list. btw is your lexan the 0.060" or 0.090"...
thanks,
Gary r. voigt
Excelsior, mn.
Timandjan@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
>
> I need a new piece of the windhsield rubber that is used on the Firestar2,
> the piece that goes on the edge and against the nose cone. Aircraft Spruce
> sells it only in 12 foot pieces, before I buy the 12 foot piece, does anyone
> have a piece left over they will part with??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mk III vs Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I can't tell him what to
> expect in the way of similarities (or differences) between either the Mk
> III or the Rans and the Firestar before he tests it.
> Peter
Peter/Gang:
The only difference to me between Firestar and MK
III is weight and width. MK III you are sitting
to one side or the other. Firestar you sit in the
middle. All the Kolbs fly alike with very minute
differences because of weight, wing span, length.
They all fly good!
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hi James and Gang,
I think Mr. Pike touched on your concerns about the ailerons and I also
would like to add to that. On the ground with the plane sitting still the
ailerons have a swinging motion due to the counter balances momentum when
moving the stick side to side. Once the plane is moving enough to get some
air pressure on the ailerons this completely goes away. You cannot tell the
counter balances are there. You're just thankful that they are because they
are assurance you won't experience aileron flutter like some others have
that don't or didn't have the counter balances.
The heel brakes get easier to use with practice and as you get use to them.
The control wires rattling are just like the bumps....it's one of the things
that distinguishes it as a Kolb.
Hope this helps some, especially about the ailerons because they do seem
funny feeling when sitting still on the ground.
John Cooley
Firestar II
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Alderson, James"
<James_Alderson@jdedwards.com>
> I don't like a few things about the Firestar, the
> bouncing of the ailerons from the weights to balance them, the heal brakes
> are not easy to get used to, and the rattling of the control wires in the
> boom is unnerving.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
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| Subject: | Mk III Wheel Pants |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Duncan McBride <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
I searched the archives for wheel pants and got a few ideas but when I look
at the mounting arrangements, it looks like the Matco hydraulic brakes will
require some special accomodation. Has anyone fit wheel pants around the
Matco disks and can share the adventure? Thanks guys.
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| Subject: | Re: winshield rubber needed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
That would be great. I need 4 feet. I just miked mine, my original
windshield was 60, my new one measures about 70, I bought some generic sheets
of Lexan from a local supplier, just took what they had to build the winter
enclosure. Almost nice enough to switch back to the summer windshield, hence
needing the new piece of rubber. I cut my existing one to fit the new set up
with the doors.
Thanks.
Tim Loehrke
610 Merlins Lane
Herndon, VA 20170
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| Subject: | Re: winshield rubber needed |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
Sorry, meant to send my previous reply off list. You would think I am
computer illiterate or something. I cut and pasted an individual return
address, but got the list by accident.
Sorry.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 3/16/03 9:31:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
James_Alderson@jdedwards.com writes:
> My field is pretty narrow, as one guy put it, its the kind of field that you
> take off from, look back, and its gone. Its got trees on both ends, wires
> on
> one of them, and water around it. I think its actually a fairly nice field
> for ultralights, but doesn't offer a bunch of room for mistakes. There have
> been a few ultralights end up in the pond. If you go to this link (
> http://www.longaviation.com/Goose_Creek_Airport.html.htm ), you can find a
> picture of it from the air, plenty long enough, but a little tight. The
> trees create some interesting rotors across the runway.
>
Geeeez....this field looks like HEAVEN compared to mine!!!....2350 Feet
long...I do 3 hops in that distance!! and can land my Firestar in less than a
third of it.
Actually my field is 35 ft wide and 2100 feet and I do these things in it.
Some on this list would land in only 450 ft of it....but I take nearly 700
cause I land NOT like GA but hot...always! ....its safer!...especially around
rotors!
george Randolph
Firestar driver from akron
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