---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/17/03: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:14 AM - Short Runway? (David Key) 2. 03:41 AM - Re: Monument Valley trip (Dave Rains) 3. 07:21 AM - Windshield (Neitzel) 4. 07:51 AM - Re: Monument Valley trip (John Hauck) 5. 10:17 AM - Kolb Brakes (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 6. 10:36 AM - Rudder pedal travel M3X (CaptainRon) 7. 10:45 AM - Re: Kolb Firestar II for Sale (johnjung@compusenior.com) 8. 03:26 PM - fogging (Richard Neitzel) 9. 03:49 PM - Re: fogging (Christopher Armstrong) 10. 03:59 PM - Prop shaft (Paul Petty) 11. 04:24 PM - Re: Prop shaft (John Hauck) 12. 04:30 PM - Re: Prop shaft (Eugene Zimmerman) 13. 06:50 PM - Re: Rudder pedal travel M3X () 14. 08:07 PM - Re: Rudder pedal travel M3X (CaptainRon) 15. 08:27 PM - prop shaft (Paul Petty) 16. 08:46 PM - Re: prop shaft (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:14:22 AM PST US From: "David Key" Subject: Kolb-List: Short Runway? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" I checked all the links and I couldn't find a short runway. If you have no breaks and you are landing downwind with 15 knot tail winds the concrete one could get short. Assuming you are taking off into the wind and landing into the wind you have tons of runway. If you put the thing on full power you'll be off the runway before you get 1/3 of the distance of the concrete strip. Your landing will be a little bit longer. One side has a grass extension and a road! That means that if you go long toward the grass extension that the grass will give you plenty of extra stopping room. If you are going the other way come in a safe distance from the tree tops and after you make the trees slow it down and point at the grass. When you get to 10 feet chop the power and roll out my friend you wont make it a third of the way down that runway. I am assuming that the transition to the grass portion doesn't have a huge lip or curb. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:51 AM PST US From: Dave Rains Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Monument Valley trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains Don't know which plane I'm flying, but am definitely going. Dave Rains -----Original Message----- From: John Raeburn [SMTP:raeburn@snowhill.com] Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Raeburn Has anyone come up with an approx. number of aircraft flying in on the Monument Valley trip in May? John Raeburn ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:40 AM PST US From: "Neitzel" Subject: Kolb-List: Windshield --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Neitzel" Thanks guys for all the input on the WS. I looked at Big Lar's gull wing doors and am seriously considering going that route. Appears that it would be lots of work but would make ingress and egress much easier plus eliminate the post to look through. Even with the gull wings I will be able to incorporate many of the suggestions that were made. Really appreciate the flow of information on the list. Thanks again. Dick Neitzel M III 582 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:39 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Don't know which plane I'm flying, but am definitely going. > Dave Rains Dave/John/Gang: Me too. Even if I don't have my septic system working. Beginning day four of excavation and exploration. Will be fun to start working on my airplane after this crap. hehehe john h ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:14 AM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Brakes --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Jim A. You mentioned something about not liking heel brakes. This is the system on my Firestar and I love it. Motorcycle components. Arizona Dave ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:15 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Rudder pedal travel M3X From: CaptainRon --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon I have a question on rudder pedal travel. I may need to redo the cables from the pedals to the bellcrank, depending on the answers I get. One pedal bottoms out befor the other, which is the nature of the rigging. However how much travel does the bellcrank moves in relation to rudder movement? Before I use more cable and nicopresses I figure to waite for answers. I feel like if there is a way to get it wrong I will certainly discover it. :-) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:00 AM PST US From: "johnjung@compusenior.com" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Firestar II for Sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "johnjung@compusenior.com" James, A picture is worth a thousand words. After seeing the aerial photo of your runway, I take back what I said about it sounding marginal. Just fly the Firestar from grass first, and when you are comfortable with it, that 35 ft wide runway will be no problem. John Jung --> Kolb-List message posted by: "johnjung@compusenior.com " snip..... Your runway does sound marginal, at best, for any plane. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:57 PM PST US From: "Richard Neitzel" Subject: Kolb-List: fogging --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Neitzel" Greetings I was reviewing the comments on fogging and someone mentioned that the fogging mixture has enough fire power to cause an engine to start. As a safety precaution the plug caps should be pulled. Good advice unless your ignition system is of the newer variety (electronic CDI) the plug caps must be attached to a grounding stud so that the spark is fed directly to ground. If this is not done serious damage will done to the electronic control module. Like someone else has said so many times, ask me how I know this! Appreciate all the comments on fogging. Always learning something! Dick Neitzel Sayner WI Mark III 582 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:17 PM PST US From: "Christopher Armstrong" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: fogging --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher Armstrong" (electronic CDI) the plug caps must be attached to a grounding stud so that the spark is fed directly to ground. If this is not done serious damage will done to the electronic control module. thanks you probably justy saved me some moola topher ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:47 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Prop shaft SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OE, USER_IN_WHITELIST) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Hi Folks, I'm fixing to make the hub for the Tenn.. prop and are wondering? The hole in the center of the prop is 1" and the shaft that I am using is 1". Should I let the shaft extend thru the face of the hub into the prop or stop it at the face of the hub? Or does it matter at all? Thanks pp ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:18 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop shaft --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Should I let the shaft extend thru the face of the hub into the prop or stop it at the face of the hub? Or does it matter at all? > pp Paul/Gang: That 1" hole is a centering hole. Could not think of a better way to center things up than with the 1" shaft inserted into it. Just though of something. You will probably need a crush plate to put on that wood prop. They come with Rotax redrives. john h ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:20 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop shaft --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Paul Petty wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Hi Folks, > I'm fixing to make the hub for the Tenn.. prop and are wondering? The hole in the center of the prop is 1" and the shaft that I am using is 1". Should I let the shaft extend thru the face of the hub into the prop or stop it at the face of the hub? Or does it matter at all? > > Thanks > > pp With the kind of wallop the HD can produce having the shaft extent into the prop as a prop pilot seems like a good idea to me. This is an experiment only, right? Secure the beast to a cement truck before you go full throttle. Gene ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:59 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rudder pedal travel M3X --> Kolb-List message posted by: ----- Original Message ----- From: CaptainRon Subject: Kolb-List: Rudder pedal travel M3X > --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon > > I have a question on rudder pedal travel. I may need to redo the cables from > the pedals to the bellcrank, depending on the answers I get. One pedal > bottoms out befor the other, which is the nature of the rigging. However how > much travel does the bellcrank moves in relation to rudder movement? > Before I use more cable and nicopresses I figure to waite for answers. > I feel like if there is a way to get it wrong I will certainly discover it. > :-) > Ron, By bell cranks, I am assuming you refer to the rudder horns? Starting with the rudder centered, each of my horns move forward 1.25 inches when the corresponding rudder pedal is pushed to full deflection in each direction. The rudder trailing edge deflects about a foot in each direction, at which point it contacts the elevators. So the answer is the rudder horns move 1.25" at the cable bolt hole, to each foot of rudder deflection. I hope this is what you were looking for. Also, my pedals deflect the same amount. Denny Rowe Mk-3 N616DR Leechburg, PA > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:36 PM PST US From: "CaptainRon" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rudder pedal travel M3X --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CaptainRon" > > Ron, > By bell cranks, I am assuming you refer to the rudder horns? > Starting with the rudder centered, each of my horns move forward 1.25 > inches when the corresponding rudder pedal is pushed to full deflection in > each direction. The rudder trailing edge deflects about a foot in each > direction, at which point it contacts the elevators. So the answer is the > rudder horns move 1.25" at the cable bolt hole, to each foot of rudder > deflection. > I hope this is what you were looking for. Also, my pedals deflect the same > amount. > > Denny Rowe > Mk-3 N616DR > Leechburg, PA > > ========================== Yes that answered the question. Thanks it saved me from making new cables. :-) do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:33 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: prop shaft SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OE, USER_IN_WHITELIST) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Thanks Guy's I guess that I need to have a inner drive hub with the shaft extending through the prop with an outer hub sandwiching the prop in between. du? pp.... N4958P Do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:48 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: prop shaft --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > I guess that I need to have a inner drive hub with the shaft extending through the prop with an outer hub sandwiching the prop in between. du? > pp.... Paul/Gang: How about this? Prop hub is attached to the prop shaft. The end of the prop shaft is also the centering boss which fits into the center bore of the prop. The prop is attached to prop hub with bolts, first through a crush plate, then the prop, and finally into the prop hub. If you really want to do it up right you can also make drive lugs on the prop hub. john h