Kolb-List Digest Archive

Sat 03/22/03


Total Messages Posted: 24



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     1. 04:13 AM - Re: Sun  (Airgriff2@aol.com)
     2. 06:35 AM - Instruments for sale (twoschmoops@yahoo.com)
     3. 08:23 AM - Powerfin Prop (Frank & Margie Clyma)
     4. 11:33 AM - Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor (John Hauck)
     5. 11:34 AM - Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor (John Hauck)
     6. 11:39 AM - Brake Line Routing (John Hauck)
     7. 11:52 AM - Re: Sun (John Hauck)
     8. 01:14 PM - Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor (CaptainRon)
     9. 01:49 PM - Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor aka Cap'n Spkg (Bob Noyer)
    10. 01:58 PM - Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor (Ron or Mary)
    11. 04:54 PM - Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor (snuffy@usol.com)
    12. 05:05 PM - Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor (TSO1953@aol.com)
    13. 05:49 PM - Fw: Crash (Larry Bourne)
    14. 05:51 PM - Re: Sun (Larry Bourne)
    15. 05:53 PM - Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor aka Cap'n Spkg (Larry Bourne)
    16. 06:01 PM - Firestar Value (D Smalec)
    17. 06:02 PM - Key West Regulator (H MITCHELL)
    18. 06:42 PM - Re: Instruments for sale (Timandjan@aol.com)
    19. 06:45 PM - OOPS again List: Instruments for sale (Timandjan@aol.com)
    20. 07:06 PM - Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor (Eugene Zimmerman)
    21. 07:06 PM - 7-Day Matronics List Browse Enhancement... (Matt Dralle)
    22. 07:32 PM - Re: Firestar Value (HShack@aol.com)
    23. 07:33 PM - SPRING LANDING GEAR (David Key)
    24. 08:37 PM - Re: 3rd Annual Cajun Fly-in & Camp-out (DAquaNut@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:13:49 AM PST US
    From: Airgriff2@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Sun
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com Thanks for the list John. I checked it over and not counting the ones who were going to be there all week, the majority of Kolbers being there only 2 or 3 days, are going to be there Sat 4/5 (about 9 of them). Would this be a good day to plan a dinner out? John, if this is ok with you, can you throw out a time to meet at the Kolb Trailer? Looking forward to the show. Fly Safe Bob Griffin


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    Time: 06:35:55 AM PST US
    From: twoschmoops@yahoo.com
    Subject: Instruments for sale
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: twoschmoops@yahoo.com Instrument sale (ELT, EIS/Hotbox, transp/30,000' encoder, ASI, vert compass) from a MkIII/912 that crashed. All excellent condition. My MkIII can't use them. $$ back guarantee. Call my cell 386-937-0541 if interested, e-mail twoschmoops@yahoo.com. ********* VIEW PICTURES John Richmond is sharing pictures with you using Shutterfly, the leading online photo service. To view John Richmond's pictures at Shutterfly, simply go to: http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b335103484af (If you can't click on this link, try copying and pasting it into your web browser.) NEED HELP? If you have any questions about this message, please use our convenient Customer Service contact form at: http://www.shutterfly.com/support/form8.jsp ************************************* Shutterfly Where your pictures live http://www.shutterfly.com/


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    Time: 08:23:38 AM PST US
    From: "Frank & Margie Clyma" <frank-margie@worldnet.att.net>
    Subject: Powerfin Prop
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Frank & Margie Clyma" <frank-margie@worldnet.att.net> I have a new Powerfin I'm about ready to fly for the first time, and I called the company to ask what they knew about the "delamination" that was involved in John Wood's accident. Stuart Gort was evidently not successful in posting the below response, so I'm going try and share his info. Frank Clyma Hello folks, I am writing in response to an e-mail posted by John Woods, wherein he makes a claim of prop failure with one of our products resulting in damages to his airplane. I do not generally attend Internet forums. This was brought to my attention by customers of mine whom I thank for their concern. I hope this note will suffice to address the matter but please write to: info@powerfin.com if you feel compelled to discuss the matter further or call 1 (800) 581-8207 to speak with me directly and I will be happy to inform you of any further developments. I will most likely not make any further response to this matter on any internet forum. First: Any time a pilot gets his airplane down after equipment failure without injury is cause for both celebration and reflection. I am happy John and his Young Eagle passenger are safe. Let us all reflect, however, that this engine out landing could have had far graver results. We should be ever vigilant to train ourselves for the INEVITABILITY of engine out landings. As a high time general aviation and ultralight flight instructor - Good job on your landing, John! That having been said I need to point out four issues regarding this event and let the reader use this reply to help himself determine the culpability of Powerfin Inc. in this matter. 1. The reader of anything posted on the internet (including this response) has a duty to hold all reports with a certain skepticism unless he has first hand information relating to a particular event described. At the very least, no judgment should be made against Powerfin products until I've been given the opportunity to evaluate the broken part and render an opinion on the matter. I have not been given that opportunity and yet it is implied that Powerfin Inc. is "determined" to be responsible for this by an official government agency. Perhaps Mr. Woods does not mean to imply that. If not, it would be nice for me and the rest of the internet to know that. 2. With all due respect to Mr. Woods, any implication that the FAA made a determination about this incident is simply not true. The NTSB (not the FAA), which is the primary investigator of airplane accidents rarely considers cases involving ultralights, especially if there is no injury or fatality. There can be no official "determination" without myself or my company being contacted directly by the NTSB. I have not been contacted by any representative of the FAA or the NTSB regarding Mr. Woods' incident. Perhaps the person mentioned works for the FAA in some capacity. That fact alone does not render him or her qualified to conclude anything with respect to composite propellers. I hope the reader will ponder for a moment why there is any mention of the FAA at all in Mr. Woods' post. 3. I have attempted to e-mail Mr. Woods several times at the e-mail address attached to his post but I cannot get an e-mail through. 4. John Woods posted his comments on Monday, March 3, 2003 indicating the accident occurred on the previous Saturday. It is now three weeks since this incident and I have not yet been contacted by Mr. Woods or anyone representing him. I consider this quite odd because I'm sure I would have contacted the manufacturer very soon had this happened to me. Powerfin Inc. has been producing quality propellers since 1995. Looking further down this list you are apt to find more than a few satisfied customers. Since my first propeller was released I have been constantly updating and improving my product in an effort to produce the best quality with safety being the primary design factor. To date, I have not yet produced a propeller that takes every bit of abuse thrown at it. This is mostly due to the fact that I've attempted to make the prop very light so it will operate within the limits for inertial mass that Rotax has set for its gearboxes. The way the props are constructed now, I could make them much stronger at the leading edge but then they would drastically exceed the Rotax limit for moment of inertia. My current offering, therefore, is a compromise between leading edge strength and light weight, which I freely admit. My current offering, however, cannot be considered fragile by any means and it will take a considerable impact on the leading edge without sustaining structural damage. For instance, we have a prop on a Rans S-12 on the field here at Arlington Airport that took a direct hit with a spark plug at full power, climbing out. There was a gouge the size of quarter in that blade but we repaired it and that airplane is still flying with it. I wouldn't send this prop out the door to any of you but I allowed this because it is here on the field and I can monitor it. I have another example of an F-model blade that had a 3/8" drive socket wrench handle go through the prop and slam into the tail boom so hard that it bent the tail boom 6" out of whack. Most of that blade remained on the airplane although it did delaminate and it was ruined. My point is that it took a wrench going through that prop to produce what Mr. Woods describes. I'm not saying a wrench went through Mr. Woods' prop but until I have a chance to inspect it, I must assume something other than air went through it. I am currently working on a method of construction that will result in a blade that is considerably stronger at the leading edge but actually weighs less than the one I offer now. If I am successful with this project, I will have accomplished a great deal indeed when you consider the other products available. I thank you for reading this and considering the matter carefully before making a judgment. I also thank those who support my efforts and enjoy their Powerfin propellers. I have worked very hard, and very conscientiously to produce a respectable product. I will always, therefore, protect myself against unwarranted claims. Mr. Woods' claim is unwarranted until proof of abject blade failure is offered. So far, there is no proof offered. I ask the reader, therefore, to consider the large number of other possibilities that exist to explain this incident. That is all I can do until I have his broken blade to inspect. Sincerely, Stuart Gort - Powerfin Inc. The following is Mr. Woods' post of March 3, 2003 Hi Everyone, As a few of you have noticed, from the accident reports, my Firestar was involved in an accident this past Saturday. I was reluctant to discuss it until the FAA and a chance to look at it. What they had determined is that my "new" Powerfin prop delaminated and consequently struck the aileron tube. The new prop had only about 12 hrs on it. I was about 1500 agl when this occurred. It made a very loud noise and got the attention a several folks on the ground. I immediately pulled the power back and began setting up for landing the plane. Below me was a grass field. I positioned the plane to take advantage on the long direction of the field. As I got closer to the ground it became apparent that is was not grass but 18" new growth from the recent rains. The ground was soft and wet. As the rollout continued, I could see the tires were starting to settle into the soft ground. A combination of the soft ground the tall grass a plowed field and the recent rains, the plane came to an abrupt stop at about 25 mph and as in slow motion the nose dipped forward and the rest of the plane followed coming to rest upside down. My passenger and I were left hanging upside down. I undid my seat belt and the then undid hers. I was conducting young eagle flights which I have done ever since I have started flying my Firestar. We were both not injured. With all the forces in play, had the cage not been made of chromally, I am sure the outcome would have been different. The insurance representative, I could tell, was having a hard time trying to figure out how he was going to evaluate the damage. He was new at this and had not probably reviewed too many experimental homebuilt airplanes. How do you value a homebuilders time or apply a standard when there are no shops that would even work on one of our planes. I do have hull coverage, so I will be compensated in some way. The actual damage includes bent cage front and top, both wings bent, wing struts bent, prop broken and rudder bent. As the engine was still operating at idle at the time of the flip, the engine would have to be at least completely gone through. I was so looking forward to Monument Valley. I am not sure now what my plans will be. I love flying my plane and I usually get out at least once a week and take a little jaunt around the countryside. I am going to miss this while I work on getting a flying solution in place. Take care, John


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    Time: 11:33:28 AM PST US
    From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > > Smaller > > prop with more RPM is more efficient the faster you go...but Kolb's > > aren't fast. Jeremy Casey > ================== > > But the above is false! :-) Ron Ron/Jeremy/Gang: If Jeremy's statement is false, as you say with a smile, then possibly you could enlighten us why you say so? You use the rank of captain quite freely. Was wondering how you came about that prestigious rank? Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard, Merchant Marines, Captain Kangaroo? :-) Take care, john h


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    Time: 11:34:59 AM PST US
    From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > As I understand it, the horsepower remains the same...............the > redrive, if 2:1, doubles the effective torque, minus friction losses. > Lar. > > Larry Bourne Larry/Kolbers: That's the way I understand it. Reduction drive works on same principle as two speed axle. john h


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    Time: 11:39:19 AM PST US
    From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Brake Line Routing
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > Can they be run under the floor or do they run along the sides in cabin? > I like to run it under the floor but aint sure about space in that area. Ron Ron/Gang: The brake lines, if you are using what most folks do, are only about 5/6" in diameter. I route mine under the deck. I bet they would do the same on an Extra. Does the Extra have fabric bracing on the belly to give some standoff from the fuselage tubes? john h


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    Time: 11:52:04 AM PST US
    From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Sun
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Would this be a > good day to plan a dinner out? > Bob Griffin Hi Bob/Gang: I'll be flitting about the sky in the new Factory Fire Fly. Usually fly until 1900. I'll be available for dinner down town anytime you all are. Ya'll make the date and time and I'll try and be there. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 01:14:12 PM PST US
    From: "CaptainRon" <captainron@theriver.com>
    Subject: Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CaptainRon" <captainron@theriver.com> Well its not a rank! Its based on the movie Captain Ron, a commedy. I did captain for a commuter airline once, if that satisfies your longing for an hyrarchial validation. As for prop speeds, and thrust you can dig through the archives and enlighten yourself. Ignorance is curable, stupidity is not. :-) ================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > > > > > Smaller > > > prop with more RPM is more efficient the faster you go...but Kolb's > > > aren't fast. Jeremy Casey > > ================== > > > > But the above is false! :-) Ron > > Ron/Jeremy/Gang: > > If Jeremy's statement is false, as you say with a > smile, then possibly you could enlighten us why > you say so? > > You use the rank of captain quite freely. Was > wondering how you came about that prestigious > rank? Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy, Coast > Guard, Merchant Marines, Captain Kangaroo? :-) > > Take care, > > john h > >


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    Time: 01:49:55 PM PST US
    From: Bob Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net>
    Subject: Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor aka Cap'n Spkg
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net> I was a Captain in the U.S. Navy.......Captain of the Head. Now hear this--sweepers start yer brooms, clean sweepdown fore & aft, empty all trash cans and spit kits over the lee rail........This was 60 years ago. Bob N. do note archive


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    Time: 01:58:48 PM PST US
    From: "Ron or Mary" <whyme@vci.net>
    Subject: Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary" <whyme@vci.net> I don't post any more on this list but I had to respond to this one. Great post Captain Ron. Colonel Ron -------Original Message------- From: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CaptainRon" <captainron@theriver.com> Well its not a rank! Its based on the movie Captain Ron, a commedy. I did captain for a commuter airline once, if that satisfies your longing for an hyrarchial validation. As for prop speeds, and thrust you can dig through the archives and enlighten yourself. Ignorance is curable, stupidity is not. :-) ================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > > > > > Smaller > > > prop with more RPM is more efficient the faster you go...but Kolb's > > > aren't fast. Jeremy Casey > > ================== > > > > But the above is false! :-) Ron > > Ron/Jeremy/Gang: > > If Jeremy's statement is false, as you say with a > smile, then possibly you could enlighten us why > you say so? > > You use the rank of captain quite freely. Was > wondering how you came about that prestigious > rank? Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy, Coast > Guard, Merchant Marines, Captain Kangaroo? :-) > > Take care, > > john h > > .


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    Time: 04:54:12 PM PST US
    From: snuffy@usol.com
    Subject: Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com You use the rank of captain quite freely. Was > wondering how you came about that prestigious > rank? Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy, Coast > Guard, Merchant Marines, Captain Kangaroo? :-) I'd like to know too so I know whether and wither whom to salute. Sp4 Snuff..............:o) Do not archive


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    Time: 05:05:57 PM PST US
    From: TSO1953@aol.com
    Subject: Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: TSO1953@aol.com In a message dated 3/22/03 4:59:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, whyme@vci.net writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary" <whyme@vci.net> > > I don't post any more on this list but I had to respond to this one. > Great post Captain Ron. > > Colonel Ron > > This is basic stuff, you put a VW direct drive with a 56" prop an a KR-2 and fly 60 mph its somewhat efficient, fly the same airplane 100mph it becomes more efficient, it becomes even more efficient at 130 to 140 mph. Now put that engine on a Kolb and you got a dog. Seems obvious to me but what do I know. Tom O.


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    Time: 05:49:34 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
    Subject: Fw: Crash
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> Here's Larry Fuller's reply regarding his crash. I've asked him for more detail, and the pics. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Crash Hi Larry, Yep, I smaked the earth again-- this time my IVO prop disintegrated!! One of the steel shafts is gone and the other two are bare and bent. About 10 inches of each blade remain. No broken bones this time only one crushed disk. More later. Would you like a pix of the prop? Larry F. ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Bourne To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 7:50 AM Subject: Crash Hi Larry: One of the guys on the Kolb List saw the accident report on your plane, so I thought I'd better check, and see if you're OK. Report says "no injuries," so I hope that's correct. What happened ?? Do you still have the VW engine on your plane ?? I've been kind of "off again, on again" on my Mk III project with the VW/re-drive power, but finally it's almost ready to go. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com


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    Time: 05:51:19 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
    Subject: Re: Sun
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> Sob ! ! ! That was sure good Bar-B-Q last year. Feelin' Sorry for Himself Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sun > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > > Would this be a > > good day to plan a dinner out? > > > Bob Griffin > > Hi Bob/Gang: > > I'll be flitting about the sky in the new Factory > Fire Fly. Usually fly until 1900. I'll be > available for dinner down town anytime you all > are. > > Ya'll make the date and time and I'll try and be > there. > > john h > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > >


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    Time: 05:53:04 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
    Subject: Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor aka Cap'n Spkg
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> And don't p--- into the wind. This from the Canadian Navy................40 yrs ago. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Noyer" <ronoy@shentel.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor aka Cap'n Spkg > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer <ronoy@shentel.net> > > I was a Captain in the U.S. Navy.......Captain of the Head. > Now hear this--sweepers start yer brooms, clean sweepdown fore & aft, > empty all trash cans and spit kits over the lee rail........This was 60 > years ago. > > Bob N. > > do note archive > >


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    Time: 06:01:55 PM PST US
    From: "D Smalec" <dsmald@michonline.net>
    Subject: Firestar Value
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "D Smalec" <dsmald@michonline.net> Listers: Sadly, it looks like I may have to part with my FS1 and was wondering what it may be worth. Can anyone give me a ballpark figure? FS1, assembled 1995, Hirth 2702 40 hp. 2 blade 64" warp prop, brs cannister chute, needs repack, short windshield,195 hrs.airframe, 77 hrs.engine. Thanks in advance, Darren


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    Time: 06:02:13 PM PST US
    From: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
    Subject: Key West Regulator
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com> One of the lighting coil wires coming from the lighting coils of my 477 has been overheating. It was a serious hazard because it was melting the insulation of other wires in the bundle including the engine shut down wire. I found the bare wires after my engine mysteriously died while I was taxiing to takeoff position. After doing some electrical measurements my Key West regulator was replaced with a Kuntzleman precision power supply. After ground test running the engine I flew for approx an hour with no problems. Whew! Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL, FireFly SN 007, 138 Hrs, Mk3/912 awaiting N numbers do not archive


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    Time: 06:42:16 PM PST US
    From: Timandjan@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Instruments for sale
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com Hey got your list and photos, still can't view the photos so I will download them at work tomorrow. (I work Sunday's). I will take the vertical compass for sure. You said the ELT comes with the antenna, how about the instrument controller and mounting harness etc. ?? I will take it as well if it does. (did it go off) I would like to be second in line for the ESI if the other person does not take it. I need to however call EIS on Monday and talk to them, I want to use a Jabiru and need to ask them if yours will work for me. You said it's a model 2000, I can't find that listed anywhere. They offer 2 models for the 4stroke motors. I will wait to see on this depending on what the other fellow does. Just let me know. Do you have the wireing harness with the Val com radio??? I am very interested in the motor as well, I need to talk to some of my friends about the possiblity. How has it been stored since the accident, I assume the oil tank and everything else comes with it. I assume the oil cooler was destroyed, did anythign else get damaged?? Nice talking with you. As for now, consider these I listed sold, I will decide on the others after i get your email. Thanks. Tim


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    Time: 06:45:30 PM PST US
    From: Timandjan@aol.com
    Subject: OOPS again List: Instruments for sale
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com Meant to send the previous email off list, when I hit reply it normally goes to the individual person, not the list. Not this time, sorry for the un-intended email to the group. Tim DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 07:06:18 PM PST US
    From: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
    Subject: Re: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com> Ron or Mary wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ron or Mary" <whyme@vci.net> > > I don't post any more on this list but I had to respond to this one. > Great post Captain Ron. > > Colonel Ron > > -------Original Message------- > > From: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, March 22, 2003 03:25:49 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: kalifornia kolb/revmaster motor > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "CaptainRon" <captainron@theriver.com> > > Well its not a rank! > Its based on the movie Captain Ron, a commedy. I did captain for a commuter > airline once, if that satisfies your longing for an hyrarchial validation. > As for prop speeds, and thrust you can dig through the archives and > enlighten yourself. > Ignorance is curable, stupidity is not. :-) > > ================================ "Ignorance is curable, stupidity is not." "I don't post any more on this list but" "Seems obvious to me but what do I know." Don't ya just luv what ya kin lern bout sum peepil from dare recen poses on duh klob leist. ez


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    Time: 07:06:30 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: 7-Day Matronics List Browse Enhancement...
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> Dear Listers, Neil Hulin of the Zenith-List at Matronics wrote to me suggesting I add a "total of available messages" column to the 7-Day List Browse Main page, and it seemed like a great idea! I've made the modifications and I think many will find it extremely helpful as well. Have a look at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/ Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin... Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft


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    Time: 07:32:29 PM PST US
    From: HShack@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Firestar Value
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com In a message dated 3/22/03 9:03:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, dsmald@michonline.net writes: > : > Sadly, it looks like I may have to part with my FS1 and was wondering > what > it may be worth. Can anyone give me a ballpark figure? > FS1, assembled 1995, Hirth 2702 40 hp. 2 blade 64" warp prop, brs cannister > chute, needs repack, short windshield,195 hrs.airframe, 77 hrs.engine. > Thanks in advance, Darren > > > My guess would be about $6k, maybe a little more if everything is A1 with a great paint job. The Hirth & the needed re-pack hurts you a little. Shack FS II SC


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    Time: 07:33:42 PM PST US
    From: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
    Subject: SPRING LANDING GEAR
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com> Well, I finally bent my landing gear in a very rough cow pasture in my Mark III. I've seen a spring landing gear for the Kolbs but I don't know where. Does someone know where I can get them? Thanks, Dave


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    Time: 08:37:46 PM PST US
    From: DAquaNut@aol.com
    Subject: Re: 3rd Annual Cajun Fly-in & Camp-out
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com Hi Tommy, I was looking on the kolb List and my Wife mentioned You and we got to wondering how you were. We trust You are doing well. Weve got plans to go to sun n fun in April. Let us know how You are. I have my trailer finnished except for fenders, about 30 screws in the roof, tiedowns, internal lighting and a few external lights. Regards; Ed & Patt Diebel




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