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1. 12:16 AM - Re: EVO/AIR website update (Larry Bourne)
2. 04:33 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 03/30/03 (Chuck Davis - Comcast)
3. 04:43 AM - Re: EVO/AIR website update (Paul Petty)
4. 05:22 AM - Re: Better fueling option: battery-operated pump (John J. Peters)
5. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 03/30/03 (Peter Volum)
6. 06:14 AM - Fuel Warning (James, Ken)
7. 06:26 AM - Re: Compressed air (Hans vanAlphen)
8. 03:55 PM - Verner redrive (Paul Petty)
9. 06:26 PM - give me a call (Timandjan@aol.com)
10. 06:31 PM - give me a call (Timandjan@aol.com)
11. 07:37 PM - New E-Mail address (Lloyd O'Dell)
12. 07:47 PM - Re: give me a call (Peter Volum)
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| Subject: | Re: EVO/AIR website update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Lookin' good, Paul, but on page 6, side view - is it my eyes, or is the top
sprocket a little closer to the engine, and out of line with the bottom one
?? If it is, you'll get a high rate of wear, less efficiency, and probably
more noise. How are you lubricating that chain ?? Before you start on the
direct drive, are you going to find a prop that will let you load the
engine/redrive to capacity ?? I think (know ! ! ! ) you'll find a huge
difference in thrust between that and direct drive, if you do. For the
toothed belts that you asked about earlier, I think Goodyear, Firestone and
Gates all make them. Hot rodders have been using them for years to drive
superchargers, etc., so speed catalogs & hot rod magazines may be a place to
look for the belts and sprockets. Thinking of that, doesn't, or didn't,
Harley use a belt drive on some models ?? Might be a good source. It'd be
much simpler to build a drive with one of those, than with the Hy-Vo chain
on Vamoose' redrive, 'cause you wouldn't need the oil supply and return.
Seems to me that some of the 1st attempts to use those belts wound up
shearing the teeth off fairly quickly. Can't for sure remember the cure,
but think an idler was at least part of it. Anyone ??
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: EVO/AIR website update
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
> To windy to fly today:-(
> Froze my tail off riding the Buell to the airport and back. Added four new
pages to the website www.c-gate.net/ppetty
> Headed to the shop for more R&D.............
>
> pp....
> N4958P
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 03/30/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chuck Davis - Comcast <davis207@comcast.net>
When I bought my Firefly, it came with a fueling system the previous owner
had put together. He used a 12v battery and fuel pump from (he said) a
rider lawn mower. It seems to pump 0.8 gpm, so 5 gallons takes about 5
minutes (it's never completely empty)
Chuck
From: "jerb" <ulflyer@airmail.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Better Refueling Method Needed
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
>
> I'm tired of trying to balance gas cans on the wing to refuel my
> plane. Any body have any experience with these rotary handle transfer
> pumps used in drums. How many cranks does it take to transfer 5
> gals. Been considering using compressed air, or even an inexpensive
> 12-volt pumps that has a decent flow rate. Haven't found any that can do
> better than 5 gals in 10-15 minutes. Was thinking about making a wheeled
> cart with a fold down post with a can perch on top. Would roll up to the
> plane, place the tank on top and use a siphon hose. The perch would be
> angle do the fuel flow to one corner of the tanks as it empties. Any body
> got some better ideals?
> jerb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kolb-List Digest Server" <kolb-list-digest@matronics.com>
Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 03/30/03
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| Subject: | Re: EVO/AIR website update |
USER_IN_WHITELIST)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Larry, It's not your eyes. That photo was taken before everything was
aligned...
Thanks for the encouragement
pp....
N4958P
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EVO/AIR website update
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Lookin' good, Paul, but on page 6, side view - is it my eyes, or is the
top
> sprocket a little closer to the engine, and out of line with the bottom
one
> ?? If it is, you'll get a high rate of wear, less efficiency, and
probably
> more noise. How are you lubricating that chain ?? Before you start on
the
> direct drive, are you going to find a prop that will let you load the
> engine/redrive to capacity ?? I think (know ! ! ! ) you'll find a huge
> difference in thrust between that and direct drive, if you do. For the
> toothed belts that you asked about earlier, I think Goodyear, Firestone
and
> Gates all make them. Hot rodders have been using them for years to drive
> superchargers, etc., so speed catalogs & hot rod magazines may be a place
to
> look for the belts and sprockets. Thinking of that, doesn't, or didn't,
> Harley use a belt drive on some models ?? Might be a good source. It'd
be
> much simpler to build a drive with one of those, than with the Hy-Vo chain
> on Vamoose' redrive, 'cause you wouldn't need the oil supply and return.
> Seems to me that some of the 1st attempts to use those belts wound up
> shearing the teeth off fairly quickly. Can't for sure remember the cure,
> but think an idler was at least part of it. Anyone ??
> Lar. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: EVO/AIR website update
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
> >
> > To windy to fly today:-(
> > Froze my tail off riding the Buell to the airport and back. Added four
new
> pages to the website www.c-gate.net/ppetty
> > Headed to the shop for more R&D.............
> >
> > pp....
> > N4958P
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Better fueling option: battery-operated pump |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John J. Peters" <TopGunPI@att.net>
Larry , I've been involved with those pumps for years , transffering
FUEL to heavy
equipment . Unless they have changed the design , they are NOT recomended
for gasoline.
The motors are not explosion proof . ( fumes ) I'm sure you can also smoke
while fueling
and get away with it most of the time .
My two cents
John
FS II
Gravity refueled
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Better fueling option: battery-operated pump
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
> If you go to a fuel dealer, (oil company) they have both battery and
> electric pumps for sale. I have a battery powered one that I put on a 15
gal
> plastic barrel that is mounted on wheels. I just roll it up to the plane,
> hook the clamps on the plane battery, connect the grounding cable and fill
> away. It has enough force that it will mix the oil with no problem. It is
> worth the price that you will have to pay. My guess is somewhere in the
area
> of 250.00
> Larry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Better fueling option: battery-operated pump
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
> >
> > > got some better ideals?
> >
> > When I was inspecting my plane prior to purchase, the guy I bought it
from
> > had a battery-operated pump. I asked, but he couldn't remember where he
> got
> > it. Since then I've looked and looked and have been unable to find one.
> But
> > if you can, that might be a good choice.
> >
> > -Ken Fackler
> > Mark II / 503
> > Rochester MI
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 03/30/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
With my gravity powered siphon tube & step-ladder it takes about 5
minutes to fill BOTH of my 5 gallon tanks.
PV
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Davis -
Comcast
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 03/30/03
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Chuck Davis - Comcast
<davis207@comcast.net>
When I bought my Firefly, it came with a fueling system the previous
owner
had put together. He used a 12v battery and fuel pump from (he said) a
rider lawn mower. It seems to pump 0.8 gpm, so 5 gallons takes about 5
minutes (it's never completely empty)
Chuck
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" <KDJames@berkscareer.com>
Having run the fueling ops for a heavy Mech battalion we always ground our
fuel vehicles with a wire going to a grounding copper rod,(to dissipate any
charge the vehicle or receiver might have) We even do this for diesel, yea
never know, run your wire to a good ground on your dolly (what ever)frame
make sure your motor is connected to the ground and touch the ground before
starting the pumps to transfer your charge to the ground ( remember in the
winter you can built up a hell of a charge). Also remember the prop itself
can built up a charge, you should see the size of the ground rod we used
when helo's brought fuel pods in and at night with NVG's on you can see the
static charge snapping out on the rotor tips.
Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Compressed air |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hans vanAlphen" <hva@bellsouth.net>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> Do NOT use compresses air as it increases the hazards of gasoline.
>
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Better Refueling Method Needed
>
Hey Cy, Jerb, others.
Sorry to disagree, but there is nothing wrong with using compressed air for
refueling our Kolbs. A lot safer than making electrical connections, unless
they are made far from the plane.
The important part is to leave your container on the ground and ground your
funnel.
You only need 10 psi of air and do not make the air connection tight to the
container, provide some leakage so you don't blow up the container.
I use a air needle you use to blow up footballs and a hole in the cap to
stick it in.
I use a 3/8 hose to the Smart Tech Fuel filter Funnel, just go slow.
Have been doing this for 100 hours..... no problem.
The easiest, cheapest way to refuel.
Hans van Alphen
Mark III Xtra
BMW powered
100 hours.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Hey Folks!
Great news. I found a website and down loaded the complete parts illustrations
for the 1400 with the belt redrive. I am very excited with this because I will
be able to adapt this right to the HD project. All I have do is machine a tapered
adapter for the drive sprocket. Everything just bolts together. I have requested
prices for all the parts needed. Going to be interesting how much all
that cost. Also I notice that the driven sprocket has a vibration dampener in
the form of a big rubber plate that fits between the prop hub and the driven sprocket.
Wonder if it's enough to handle the HD? Reckon we shall find out!
pp....
N4958P
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
I just left you a message on yur cell phone.
I am up until 11pm tonight 703 318 7896
at work tomorrow 703 854 5059 10-7pm
I need to know who to make a cashiers check out to and want to talk again.
plan to take the motor, if I can get someone to drive it back for me. I have
several prospects. SO give me a call tonight or tomorrow. I leave at 5a on
Weenesday for sun in fun.
Tim
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
I just left you a message on yur cell phone.
I am up until 11pm tonight 703 318 7896
at work tomorrow 703 854 5059 10-7pm
I need to know who to make a cashiers check out to and want to talk again.
plan to take the motor, if I can get someone to drive it back for me. I have
several prospects. SO give me a call tonight or tomorrow. I leave at 5a on
Weenesday for sun in fun.
Tim
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| Subject: | New E-Mail address |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Lloyd O'Dell" <wander10@infi.net>
Matt,
Please change my E-Mail address from wander10@infi.net to
wander10@infionline.net.
Thanks, Lloyd O'Dell
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
Huh? I muss be dreamn'. Nobody offers me checks when I'm awake.
Jussincase this ain't Publisher Clearin' House tho, I best play safe...
Make the check out TO ME Tim! Yes - EM EE - ME! The more zeroes on the
end the better, and with big fat numbers at the beginnin' too!
Gee I sure hope in tuh mornin' this won't have been a dream.
G'night.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Timandjan@aol.com
Subject: Kolb-List: give me a call
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
I just left you a message on yur cell phone.
I am up until 11pm tonight 703 318 7896
at work tomorrow 703 854 5059 10-7pm
I need to know who to make a cashiers check out to and want to talk
again.
plan to take the motor, if I can get someone to drive it back for me. I
have
several prospects. SO give me a call tonight or tomorrow. I leave at 5a
on
Weenesday for sun in fun.
Tim
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