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1. 08:59 AM - Re: Weight & Balance (SR3SA2L1@aol.com)
2. 11:04 AM - diehdral (boyd young)
3. 12:03 PM - Fuel systems and fillers (Jason Omelchuck)
4. 04:16 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun Trip (Jim Ballenger)
5. 04:17 PM - Re: Fuel systems and fillers (Duncan McBride)
6. 05:34 PM - Pickeling my Engine (Ken Korenek)
7. 05:49 PM - Re: diehdral (CaptainRon)
8. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: fuel tanks (Jack Carillon)
9. 06:33 PM - Re: diehdral (John Hauck)
10. 06:57 PM - FireFly (John Williamson)
11. 07:01 PM - Re: Fuel systems and fillers (SGreenpg@aol.com)
12. 07:09 PM - Fw: Dimensions (Paul Petty)
13. 07:17 PM - Re: Variable Idle RPM Problem. (ZepRep251@aol.com)
14. 07:19 PM - Re: FireFly (John Hauck)
15. 07:26 PM - Re: diehdral (H MITCHELL)
16. 07:40 PM - Re: Dallas Shepard (woody)
17. 07:40 PM - Re: diehdral (John Hauck)
18. 07:54 PM - Re: Dallas Shepard (Larry Bourne)
19. 08:17 PM - Re: Variable Idle RPM Problem. (Richard Pike)
20. 08:23 PM - Re: diehdral (Richard Pike)
21. 09:19 PM - Re: diehdral (Larry Bourne)
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: SR3SA2L1@aol.com
I have a 1983 plans Firestar and if anyone has the info of how to do a weight
+ bal on it I would appreciate that info (off list is fine or on list for the
archieves). Thanks
Steve
do not archieve
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
Well i made good progress today as well. Both wings for the first time were
mated to the cage. the Struts were drilled and mated, I will have two sets
of struts one with diehdral and one pair without. Just curious to see if
there is any difference.
when i first built, i built the diehdral to the plans.... when in the flight testing
phaze i noticed that when i put the plane in a 30 deg bank, it had a tendancy
for the bank to increase.... negitive roll stability...
when i rebuilt i doubeled the diehdral now when in a bank the angle of bank remains
stable... netural roll stability.... doing this has very slightly reduced
the pilot load... and if you dont know you cant tell.
boyd
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| Subject: | Fuel systems and fillers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jason Omelchuck <jason@acuityinc.com>
I am building a MKIII classic. I have the stock 2x5gal tanks that were
provided. I am trying to figure out a fuel fill system with a filler that
runs back to an easy accessible place. The stock caps for the fuel tanks
have holes with threads that accept 3/4" fittings. The ID of the 3/4"
fittings are about 1/2" ID which doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy
about how fast they will fill. The caps on the fuel tanks are non standard
threads so I cant just screw a large tube onto where the cap went. After
about an hour at the hardware store (standard visit) I just decided to ask
some advice from the people who have dealt with it. How did you folks rig
up a fuel filler system to the stock 2 X 5gal tanks?
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| Subject: | Re: Sun-N-Fun Trip |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
John
Great pictures and article covering your adventure. Thanks for sharing. I
really enjoyed it. It only makes me want to get in the air and go
somewhere.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@attbi.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Sun-N-Fun Trip
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@attbi.com>
>
> I just updated my website with information and photos of my most recent
trip to Sun-N-Fun and it can be viewed at:
http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot/KEYW.htm
>
> Met several Kolb pilots and enjoyed looking at their aircraft. Sorry I
missed so many that were there later in the week.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 246 hours
> http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot
>
>
> do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel systems and fillers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Duncan McBride <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
Been there, done that. I messed around with a t-fitting and various
arrangements, and finally gave it up as a lost cause and decided flying was
more important than elegance in refueling. Get a hose that fits on your
fuel can filler spout that's long enough so you can stand aside and turn the
tank upside down, stick the hose into your fuel tanks, and pour. Nothing
simpler or lighter.
Duncan
Do not archive this defeatist rambling..... I remember the first time I
saw someone using auto gas. It was at Arthur Dunn Airpark in Titusville Fl.
about twenty years ago. A guy had a nice little Pitts Special he was
refueling from a 55 gallon drum sitting in his hangar. It had a
hand-cranked rotary pump and it only took a few minutes to fill the Pitts.
Don't know how he got the drum filled, but it was a nice rig.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Omelchuck" <jason@acuityinc.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel systems and fillers
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jason Omelchuck <jason@acuityinc.com>
>
>
> I am building a MKIII classic. I have the stock 2x5gal tanks that were
> provided. I am trying to figure out a fuel fill system with a filler that
> runs back to an easy accessible place. The stock caps for the fuel tanks
> have holes with threads that accept 3/4" fittings. The ID of the 3/4"
> fittings are about 1/2" ID which doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy
> about how fast they will fill. The caps on the fuel tanks are non
standard
> threads so I cant just screw a large tube onto where the cap went. After
> about an hour at the hardware store (standard visit) I just decided to ask
> some advice from the people who have dealt with it. How did you folks rig
> up a fuel filler system to the stock 2 X 5gal tanks?
>
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| Subject: | Pickeling my Engine |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ken Korenek <ken-foi@attbi.com>
Kolbers,
I need to store my PPC engine- rotax 582- for a few months.
Exactly what is the preservation oil that we're supposed to use and
where do you get it?
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Ken W. Korenek
4906 Oak Springs Drive
Arlington, Texas 76016
817-572-6832 voice
817-572-6842 fax
817-657-6500 cell
817-483-8054 home
ken-foi@attbi.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <captainron@theriver.com>
on 4/6/03 8:46, boyd young at by0ung@brigham.net wrote:
> when i rebuilt i doubeled the diehdral now when in a bank the angle of bank
> remains stable... netural roll stability.... doing this has very slightly
> reduced the pilot load... and if you dont know you cant tell.
=======================
thanks that is my thinking as well. As I am telling all my visitors after
pointing it out to them, that my idea is to have two sets of struts, one
will be for cross country (3 + degrees) and one will be for sporting stuff,
which I have yet to build. After flight testing I think I'd have a sense for
how much diehdral I should dial out. It does look cool though with the
current 3' diehdral.
I do expect some degradation of snapiness in roll, but on cross country's I
rather have the stability.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack Carillon <pcarillonsr@neo.rr.com>
Here is another place those of you that are looking for fuel tanks
might check, it's Summit Racing in Tallmadge Oh. , I was browsing thru
their on line catalog looking for something else and thought about fuel
cells, found them under " Air and Fuel delivery" gives gallons and
dimensions. Summit has 47 different ones listed under their name. Don't
know if any of these will work for anyone, take a look.
http://www.summitracing.com
Jack Carillon FSII 503 Akron, Ohio
Clay Stuart wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Clay Stuart" <tcstuart@adelphia.net>
>
> Here is a link on aluminum fuel tank construction:
>
> http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/bingelis/How%20About%20An%20Aluminum%20Fuel%20Tank_.html#TopOfPage
>
> Clay Stuart
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I do expect some degradation of snapiness in roll, but on cross country's I
> rather have the stability. Ron
Ron/Gang:
How snappy do you think your Mark III roll will
be? Most Mark III owner/pilots do not have the
word "snappiness" in their vocabulary, especially
when used in conjunction with Mark III ailerons.
How about putting some screw jacks in your lift
struts? That way you would be able to dial in the
desired dihedral, and not have to bother with
changing lift struts. If you powered the screw
jacks, you could do this adjusting with a toggle
switch while in flight.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@attbi.com>
Welcome home John Hauck,
You gonna tell us how that new FireFly flew and performed?
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 246 hours
http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel systems and fillers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com
Jason,
I just use a 4' long piece of 3/4" clear vinyl tubing. It fits snugly over
the spout of a 5 or 6 gallon gas can. Stick it in the tank and you can stand
in front of the wing to hold the can and refuel.
Steve
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Re: Dimensions
----- Original Message -----
From: CaptainRon
Subject: Re: Dimensions
on 4/9/03 15:18, Paul Petty at ppetty@c-gate.net wrote:
Kolbers,
I need the following dimensions to make the mount for the HD.
1. distance from the center of the rearward hole in the cage to the prop face
where the prop mounts.
2. height from the cage to the center line of the prop shaft.
3. Angle of thrust line in relation to the cage.
I am going to use the Verner belt redrive so the over all length of engine front
to back will be near 17". With a weight of around 150 lbs. Will there need
to be a extension made to get the weight forward enough?
I am thinking of making the mount out of aluminum plate on bottom/ then angle/
then plate upward/ then another angle that the engine will rest on. Sound like
a plan?
If any one has a drawing or could make a drawing of the cage section where the
mount is I would like to have a copy. I want to make a dummy section of that
part of the cage to mount on the test stand instead of what I have now.
Any help greatly appreciated!
pp
do not archive
Ok tomorrow I'll draw a graph of exactly my mount. and fax it to you. Or email
it.
If you can remember give me a call at around 16;00 your time. that should catch
me in the hanger and it will assure that my old brain does not forget anything.
520 458 9496
I will take your email with me to try and make sure I don't forget.
later
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Variable Idle RPM Problem. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ZepRep251@aol.com
Take great pains to synchronize the carbs.adjusting cables to start and stop
the slides and keeping all mixture screws and throttle stops the same. It
will really smooth it up.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Welcome home John Hauck,
>
> You gonna tell us how that new FireFly flew and performed?
>
> John Williamson
John W/Gang:
And welcome home to you also.
John and I had a good time visiting. We were
seperated by a couple months in Army Rotary Wing
Flight School. Both of us flew AH-1G's in
Vietnam. Both of us like to fly cross countries
and little airplanes. We had a lot to talk about.
I know you had more fun than I did on your flight
to Key West. I flew for 5 days and never went
further than Lakeland South airstrip, a couple
miles south of Paradise City, the ultralight area
at Sun and Fun.
I am envious of your recent flight. Came close to
going with you, but the situation changed and I
ended up flying in circles at Lakeland.
The new Fire Fly flew just like the last one I
flew two years ago at Lakeland. The big
diffenerence was this one had a $10,000 paint
job. Really, I do not know what that paint job
cost, but it was the fanciest paint job I have
ever seen on an ultralight. It did attract a lot
of attention.
Crowd seemed down this year, more than any of the
other 19 S&F consectutive flyins I have attended.
When Monday morning rolled around, there were only
a few rail birds to watch the ultralights fly.
Wind was forecast as 40-45 mph at 1,000 feet, or
something like that. I decided I was needed in
Alabama, hooked up the 5th wheel, and headed for
home by way of Brother Jim's in Woodville,
Florida. After a big meal of fried shrimp,
oysters, and grouper, and a good night's sleep, I
arrived home yesterday afternoon. Drove in the
rain from Florida to Montgomery, Alabama.
Got a lot of work to do to get my airplane fixed
and flying. Won't be long until time to load up
for Monument Valley. I am really looking forward
to that flight.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Right on John,
He could also put some good-sized solenoids on them and flap his way to safety
if he has an engine out :)
Duane the plane
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: diehdral
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I do expect some degradation of snapiness in roll, but on cross country's I
> rather have the stability. Ron
Ron/Gang:
How snappy do you think your Mark III roll will
be? Most Mark III owner/pilots do not have the
word "snappiness" in their vocabulary, especially
when used in conjunction with Mark III ailerons.
How about putting some screw jacks in your lift
struts? That way you would be able to dial in the
desired dihedral, and not have to bother with
changing lift struts. If you powered the screw
jacks, you could do this adjusting with a toggle
switch while in flight.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Dallas Shepard |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
At 12:33 PM 4/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
>Does anyone have Mr.Dallas Shepard's e-mail address? Also does anyone know
>if he has sold the crashed MIII?
>
>pp....
>N4958P
Dallas did not sell his heavily damaged Mk111. He gave it away. I am
now the proud owner of it and am doing the repairs now. The parts from Kolb
are here and the front end has been rebuilt. This is an investment project
and will be sold when completed. All I had to do to get the airplane free
was buy the Jabiru. The Jabi is going on the flying totem pole and my old
582 is going on Dallas's old plane. Should be airworthy by end of summer if
nothing else comes up. Another project to beat old Larr into the air with. :)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> He could also put some good-sized solenoids on them and flap his way to safety
if he has an engine out :)
>
> Duane the plane
Duane/Gang:
I like your idea better, but must have a reliable,
fully charged battery.
Good to see you made it home also.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Dallas Shepard |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
You'd best be fer hustlin', old son........................as of last
Saturday, Vamoose is fly-able. Sorta. Details like W&B, sealing around the
center gap seal, and final checking safety wiring, etc., will be pretty much
finished this weekend, and the FAA paperwork is underway. Barring anything
major, Monument Valley is gonna be a close thing. Go Gittin'
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Dallas Shepard
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> At 12:33 PM 4/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
> >
> >Does anyone have Mr.Dallas Shepard's e-mail address? Also does anyone
know
> >if he has sold the crashed MIII?
> >
> >pp....
> >N4958P
>
>
> Dallas did not sell his heavily damaged Mk111. He gave it away. I am
> now the proud owner of it and am doing the repairs now. The parts from
Kolb
> are here and the front end has been rebuilt. This is an investment project
> and will be sold when completed. All I had to do to get the airplane free
> was buy the Jabiru. The Jabi is going on the flying totem pole and my old
> 582 is going on Dallas's old plane. Should be airworthy by end of summer
if
> nothing else comes up. Another project to beat old Larr into the air with.
:)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Variable Idle RPM Problem. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Trick way to make sure your slides are synchronized: Take two lengths of
welding rod or similar straight stiff wire and cut them both off equally to
be about 10 - 12" long. Or use two soda straws. Give the throttle lever
just enough of a shove to get the throttles up off the idle screws, and
stick the rods into the carb throats so that they are resting between the
carb openings and the bottom of the slides. Make sure they are resting
identically in each carb. Adjust the adjusters until they are hanging
exactly parallel when viewed from the side.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:16 PM 4/9/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ZepRep251@aol.com
>
>Take great pains to synchronize the carbs.adjusting cables to start and stop
>the slides and keeping all mixture screws and throttle stops the same. It
>will really smooth it up.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Several years before I retired, was working tower at TRI, watching a C172
Skyhawk on final, and the dihedral seemed to increase and decrease as the
airplane flared and landed. Asked the pilot if my eyes were playing tricks,
and she said no, it was a mod to make it fly smoother in turbulence, it had
shock absorbers and springs or something (?) built into the lift struts.
Never mentioned it before because it just seemed too bizarre for reality.
Anybody else know anything about this?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 08:33 PM 4/9/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
>How about putting some screw jacks in your lift
>struts? That way you would be able to dial in the
>desired dihedral, and not have to bother with
>changing lift struts. If you powered the screw
>jacks, you could do this adjusting with a toggle
>switch while in flight.
>
>john h
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
There's been a time or 3 in heavy turbulence when I've wished for something
like that. Actually................thinking on it a
bit....................it makes a fair amount of sense. Can you imagine
your car without suspension ?? Springs and shocks are even fairly standard
on bicycles anymore; not to mention those neat little radio controlled cars
& trucks. Something to take the jolt out of turbulence would make a much
more comfortable ride, and probably be a lot easier on the airframe, as
well. Who's gonna be 1st ???? Day Dreamin' Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: diehdral
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> Several years before I retired, was working tower at TRI, watching a C172
> Skyhawk on final, and the dihedral seemed to increase and decrease as the
> airplane flared and landed. Asked the pilot if my eyes were playing
tricks,
> and she said no, it was a mod to make it fly smoother in turbulence, it
had
> shock absorbers and springs or something (?) built into the lift struts.
> Never mentioned it before because it just seemed too bizarre for reality.
> Anybody else know anything about this?
> Richard Pike
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