Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:22 AM - Re: Patriotic Kolb Fire Fly (Jack & Louise Hart)
2. 10:08 AM - Test (Larry Bourne)
3. 02:47 PM - Re: Test (George Thompson)
4. 03:11 PM - 51% rule and Kolbra quick build kit (Chris Ross)
5. 03:48 PM - Change is in the wind for Rotax (Peter Volum)
6. 04:49 PM - Re: Test (Bob Bean)
7. 04:56 PM - Re: 51% rule and Kolbra quick build kit (John Williamson)
8. 06:07 PM - Re: Re: first flight (FRED2319@aol.com)
9. 06:32 PM - Re: Test (Larry Bourne)
10. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: first flight (Larry Bourne)
11. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: first flight (John Hauck)
12. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: first flight (Gary robert voigt)
13. 06:39 PM - Re: Test (Larry Bourne)
14. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: first flight (John Cooley)
15. 06:52 PM - Re: Re: first flight ()
16. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: first flight (FRED2319@aol.com)
17. 07:12 PM - Re: Re: first flight (FIXERJONES@aol.com)
18. 07:18 PM - Re: Sun'n Fun...Americana FireFly..and Muzzleloaders! (GeoR38@aol.com)
19. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: first flight (Larry Bourne)
20. 07:29 PM - Re: Patriotic Kolb Fire Fly (FIXERJONES@aol.com)
21. 07:35 PM - Re: Sun n Fun Pics (GeoR38@aol.com)
22. 08:27 PM - Big Lar's rant (Richard Pike)
23. 09:38 PM - Lar's spam (Ed Chmielewski)
24. 11:50 PM - Re: Lar's spam (Larry Bourne)
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| Subject: | Re: Patriotic Kolb Fire Fly |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Don,
If one goes back to AC 103-7 Appendix 1, Maximum Level Flight Air Speed Calculations,
you can see why this FireFly is so much faster. If one puts in the drag
numbers for the wheel pants and the full windshield, the overall drag factor
drops from 12.14 to 9.86. Going to the speed, drag factor and HP chart and picking
off the speed at the intersection of the drag factor and HP, it comes out
to about 72.5 mph. I had not trouble getting my FireFly up to 74 mph, with
out these improvements. And so 80+ mph true is not unreasonable with the wheel
pants and full windshield. One must be careful at these speeds due to the
possibility of control flutter and the FireFly has a never exceed speed of 80
mph.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
At 05:54 PM 4/10/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
>> WOW....70 to 80- cruise ....what rpms were ya cruising at John?....what
>> would you estimate top end was?...I didnt realise the Firefly was so fast on
>> 40 horses!!!
>>
>> Was that a 60 Inch IVO on that bird?
>
>> Don Gherardini-
>
>Hi Don/Gents/Ladies:
>
>6,000 to 6,500 rpm to cruise 70 to 80 mph. You
>could say "high" cruise".
>
>Probably 85 mph WOT straight and level flight.
>
>Nothing new here. It may fly faster with the
>right prop, pitch, and tweaked 447 combo. With a
>22 ft wing span, it should do better than the old
>Ultrastar on 35 hp and the original Firestar on 40
>hp. Both would hit the 85 mph tick mark on a
>Winter venturi actuated ASI.
>
>The Fire Fly is a lightweight Sling Shot. About
>the same outside dimensions.
>
>It is a little hot rod in ultralight clothing.
>:-)
>
>john h
>
>
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Test.......................Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
Hi Lar. Bout to get that flyin machine off the ground?-Went to the field
this morning and got in .6 hr. First time up in awhile. Still seem to have
the touch. What's your chances of geting to Monument Valley? I am concerding
going up there, but will not bring a plane. Will you be stoping by here on
your way up? Our fly in is the 17th you remember?
Bald Eagle George---- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Test
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Test.......................Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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| Subject: | 51% rule and Kolbra quick build kit |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chris Ross" <coross2@mindspring.com>
All--
I've been lurking here for awhile. I'm thinking about building a Kolbra and
am curious about a couple of issues.
1. Will it qualify under the 51% rule if built from a quick build kit?
2. What about flight instruction? Is there any consensus on the
desirability of GA time vs. going straight to the Light Sport Aircraft
license?
I realize the final Light Sport Aircraft regs are not in place, but I'm
curious anyway.
Thanks.
Chris Ross
Chicago
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| Subject: | Change is in the wind for Rotax |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
After the recent thread about engines, this article from the EAA's
newsletter caught my eye. Let's just hope that the changes end up being
good for us consumers.
PV
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BOMBARDIER SELLING RECREATIONAL PRODUCTS DIVISION, INCLUDING ROTAX
Rotax Not Discontinuing 447 Engine
Bombardier Inc. announced on April 3 that it will sell its Recreational
Products division, which includes Rotax Aircraft Engines, SkiDoo
snowmobiles, and SeaDoo watercraft. The division is being sold to help
recapitalize the ailing, publicly held conglomerate. Bombardier expects
the division to be attractive to investors because of its profitability,
the quality of its assets, and its international reputation as a leader
in most of its markets.
Bombardier Inc. stated in its release that members of the Bombardier
family, who originally owned the corporation before it went public, have
expressed an interest in "being part of an eventual group of investors
seeking to acquire this heritage asset," adding that the division is
well positioned to compete on its own and to become even more
successful.
Well-known Rotax consultant Eric Tucker, who previously worked within
the Bombardier Recreational Products division, said this is definitely
good news. "The Recreational Products division is one of the few
Bombardier divisions actually making money, so Bombardier feels it can
raise some capital to reduce its red ink in other areas," he said.
Tucker adds that the Bombardier family is interested in buying the
division, which he also sees as good news. "I believe the whole division
will be better off being out from under Bombardier in the long run."
As a side note, Tucker said the Rotax is NOT discontinuing the
two-cycle, two-cylinder 447 engine. "There have been some rumors
floating around the Sun 'n Fun Fly-in that the 447 line is coming to an
end, and that is not true. The 447 engine will continue to be available
for the foreseeable future."
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Some people will do anything to get mail.........I had 250+ messages
upon return from Fl. - now in addition to the "african investment opps"
I now seem to be getting offers for "p__s enlargement pills".
Check out the May issue of Kitplanes for the Yamaha virago engine
running straight out of the transmission. What's the hp of that plant?
-BB , haven't touched a wrench yet, must engage clutch
Larry Bourne wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>Test.......................Do not Archive.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 51% rule and Kolbra quick build kit |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@attbi.com>
I did my Kolbra from a Quick Build kit and only had to show my DAR that I
had completed the majority of the airplane.
The New Kolb Aircraft Company has not had the Kolbra evaluated by the FAA so
it could be included on their 51% list.
With good building documentation it is not hard to prove that you build the
majority of it.
Remember that spot pilot has some limitations: 39 knot stall speed (44.88
mph) probably being the most critical. My stall speed at 1100 lb. gross
weight is 44 knots (51 mph). So as built, I can't operate it under the
proposed sport pilot rules.
As for GA instruction, it sure can't hurt. My son got his Private
Certificate and had no problems on his Kolbra check-out.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 248 hours
http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FRED2319@aol.com
Hi Guys just made first flight in my Mark 111 582B. all went well it was my
first flight in a Kolb was very impressed. That thing sure did climb good.
And was the easiest airplane to land that I have ever flew.
Fred Brown
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Goddamed spam.................almost 1/3 of my email is spam now. I hear
scare stories about blockers stopping some of the "good" mail, too, so I'm
not sure what to do. If I could get my hands on some of those assholes, I'd
show 'em where to shove their SOB pills/junk/trash/whatever. Lar.
P.S. - I don't know anything about that big Yamahammer engine, except that
it's supposed to be a goodie.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Some people will do anything to get mail.........I had 250+ messages
> upon return from Fl. - now in addition to the "african investment opps"
> I now seem to be getting offers for "p__s enlargement pills".
> Check out the May issue of Kitplanes for the Yamaha virago engine
> running straight out of the transmission. What's the hp of that plant?
> -BB , haven't touched a wrench yet, must engage clutch
>
> Larry Bourne wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> >Test.......................Do not Archive.
> >
> >Larry Bourne
> >Palm Springs, CA
> >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> >www.gogittum.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Sounds like congratulations are in order. Good for you ! ! ! I hope to
send a similar message pretty soon, now. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <FRED2319@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: first flight
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: FRED2319@aol.com
>
> Hi Guys just made first flight in my Mark 111 582B. all went well it was
my
> first flight in a Kolb was very impressed. That thing sure did climb good.
> And was the easiest airplane to land that I have ever flew.
> Fred Brown
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Hi Guys just made first flight in my Mark 111 582B.
> Fred Brown
Hi Fred/Gang:
Congratultions!
Where are you located?
john h
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
Hey Fred, way to go and glad everything went well. again congrats!
Gary r. voigt
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FRED2319@aol.com wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: FRED2319@aol.com
>
> Hi Guys just made first flight in my Mark 111 582B. all went well it was my
> first flight in a Kolb was very impressed. That thing sure did climb good.
> And was the easiest airplane to land that I have ever flew.
> Fred Brown
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
HooooBoy...............one day maybe I'll learn to look at the return
address. Folks, I'm sorry.................I thought this was going direct
to Bob. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Goddamed spam.................almost 1/3 of my email is spam now. I hear
> scare stories about blockers stopping some of the "good" mail, too, so I'm
> not sure what to do. If I could get my hands on some of those assholes,
I'd
> show 'em where to shove their SOB pills/junk/trash/whatever. Lar.
> P.S. - I don't know anything about that big Yamahammer engine, except that
> it's supposed to be a goodie.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
> >
> > Some people will do anything to get mail.........I had 250+ messages
> > upon return from Fl. - now in addition to the "african investment opps"
> > I now seem to be getting offers for "p__s enlargement pills".
> > Check out the May issue of Kitplanes for the Yamaha virago engine
> > running straight out of the transmission. What's the hp of that plant?
> > -BB , haven't touched a wrench yet, must engage clutch
> >
> > Larry Bourne wrote:
> >
> > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> > >
> > >Test.......................Do not Archive.
> > >
> > >Larry Bourne
> > >Palm Springs, CA
> > >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> > >www.gogittum.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Congrats Fred. Now let's see..........how many years have we been waiting on
Big Lar to make the maiden voyage in this Mark III? Will you be able to get
it video taped? It will have to have some historical significance like
longest build time ever for a Kolb or something of that sort. LOL.
Later,
John Cooley
Do not archive
> Sounds like congratulations are in order. Good for you ! ! ! I hope to
> send a similar message pretty soon, now. Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <FRED2319@aol.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: first flight
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: FRED2319@aol.com
> >
> > Hi Guys just made first flight in my Mark 111 582B. all went well it was
> my
> > first flight in a Kolb was very impressed. That thing sure did climb
good.
> > And was the easiest airplane to land that I have ever flew.
> > Fred Brown
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Same goes for me, should be joining you guys shortly, talked to FAA today
and it sounds like everything will be cool soon, would be sooner but I
forgot to sign my last Statement I sent them. I had to mail a signed copy
this evening and that, should be that.
Denny
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----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Bourne <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: first flight
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Sounds like congratulations are in order. Good for you ! ! ! I hope to
> send a similar message pretty soon, now. Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <FRED2319@aol.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: first flight
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: FRED2319@aol.com
> >
> > Hi Guys just made first flight in my Mark 111 582B. all went well it was
> my
> > first flight in a Kolb was very impressed. That thing sure did climb
good.
> > And was the easiest airplane to land that I have ever flew.
> > Fred Brown
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FRED2319@aol.com
Thank you Findlay Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FIXERJONES@aol.com
hey, there's nothin like that first flight,,,,,,finally.. must feel gooood!!
congrats.
steve jones do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Sun'n Fun...Americana FireFly..and Muzzleloaders! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 4/6/03 12:11:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
donghe@one-eleven.net writes:
>
> I had to leave Friday due to business obligations....No big deal tho..cause
> after watchin Hauck Flying that Americana FlreFly a couple a days....I
> couldnt wait to get home and Finish Glueing down fabric!
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> Don Gherardini-
> FireFly 098
>
nice report Don!
George Randolph
firestar driver from akron
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| Subject: | Re: first flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Hrumphf.................thought I was amongst friends, and whaddoo I get ??
Be careful Fred - these guys bite ! ! ! :-) .....................an'
they'll pick on ya, too. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: first flight
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
>
> Congrats Fred. Now let's see..........how many years have we been waiting
on
> Big Lar to make the maiden voyage in this Mark III? Will you be able to
get
> it video taped? It will have to have some historical significance like
> longest build time ever for a Kolb or something of that sort. LOL.
>
> Later,
> John Cooley
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> > Sounds like congratulations are in order. Good for you ! ! ! I hope to
> > send a similar message pretty soon, now. Lar.
> >
> > Larry Bourne
> > Palm Springs, CA
> > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
> > www.gogittum.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <FRED2319@aol.com>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: first flight
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: FRED2319@aol.com
> > >
> > > Hi Guys just made first flight in my Mark 111 582B. all went well it
was
> > my
> > > first flight in a Kolb was very impressed. That thing sure did climb
> good.
> > > And was the easiest airplane to land that I have ever flew.
> > > Fred Brown
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Patriotic Kolb Fire Fly |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FIXERJONES@aol.com
john h, no doubt in your claim,,just varafication..i
didn't think or know the yes my winter asi is a venturi! as for the
gps,,the ole days are great as are the gps of today, aforadable & accurate,
i'm a new pilot (1999) & havin fun with all aspects of flight & flyin&
building, isn't that what it's all about? :-) oh yea, my newly accuried
twinstar /503/ is a blast to fly,,what fun
sorry if you took it the wrong way,,didn't mean it that way,just never
thought it could go so fast!
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| Subject: | Re: Sun n Fun Pics |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 4/7/03 10:36:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dama@mindspring.com writes:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
>
> While not professional by any stretch, here are a few pics from Sun n Fun.
> It was great to talk to all of the Kolb pilots and builders. Sorry that I
> missed some of you...
> Kip
>
> http://www.springeraviation.net/sun_nfun.html
>
wow! neat website, very creative
George Randolph
firestar driver from Akron
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Lar - and other Kolbers- here is a link to an excellent spam filter you can
use to filter out all the junk mail, Spamnix.
But it only works with the Eudora e-mail program. (Which you can download
from this site, there is a link)
You can download Eudora Lite for free and try it out, and download Spamnix
for free (gives you a nag screen periodically) and if you like it, send
them some money and they upgrade it a bit and the nag screen goes away. I
am using it with Eudora Pro and very satisfied, it is almost a no brainer
to configure.
Try it for free, if you don't like it, go back to MS Outlook Express or
whatever.
Lar - contact me off list and I'll tell you how to change your web site so
the spammer seek-bots don't auto-sniff out your e-mail address.
http://www.spamnix.com/download.html
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Do Not Archive
>almost 1/3 of my email is spam now. I hear
>scare stories about blockers stopping some of the "good" mail, too, so I'm
>not sure what to do. If I could get my hands on some of those assholes, I'd
>show 'em where to shove their SOB pills/junk/trash/whatever. Lar.
>P.S. - I don't know anything about that big Yamahammer engine, except that
>it's supposed to be a goodie.
>
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
>www.gogittum.com
Help Stop Spam!
Delete all address information (especially mine) off everything you
forward, and make Blind Carbon Copy a way of life.
Thanks! And have a blessed day.
rp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Big Lar,
You're damn right. And get a spellchecker. That particular expletive
should have 'mn' in it.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> HooooBoy...............one day maybe I'll learn to look at the return
> address.
Snip
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> > Goddamed spam.................almost 1/3 of my email is spam now.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
An' durn tootin', too, but the spellchecker in my head's better than the one
Gates sells. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Lar's spam
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski"
<edchmiel@mindspring.com>
>
> Big Lar,
>
> You're damn right. And get a spellchecker. That particular expletive
> should have 'mn' in it.
>
> Ed in JXN
> MkII/503
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> > HooooBoy...............one day maybe I'll learn to look at the return
> > address.
>
> Snip
>
>
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> > >
> > > Goddamed spam.................almost 1/3 of my email is spam now.
>
>
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