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1. 05:55 AM - Lift strut ends (Mike Pierzina)
2. 08:15 AM - 3 Kolb Firestar hardware kits for sale (Bill Hocker)
3. 09:34 AM - Attaching Upholstery (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
4. 10:41 AM - Re: Attaching Upholstery (Bob Bean)
5. 11:03 AM - Re: Attaching Upholstery (CaptainRon)
6. 11:39 AM - Re: Lift strut ends (Ben Ransom)
7. 11:55 AM - Re: steel gear legs ...lift strut ends (steel fittings) (Ben Ransom)
8. 12:08 PM - Re: Lift strut ends (Maxime Gou)
9. 01:26 PM - Re: steel gear legs ...lift strut ends (steel fittings) (John Hauck)
10. 02:37 PM - Re: Attaching Upholstery (ronnie wehba)
11. 03:06 PM - Re: removal from list-Maxime Gou (Bob N.)
12. 05:33 PM - registration ()
13. 05:40 PM - Re: "Maxime Gou" (Eugene Zimmerman)
14. 06:51 PM - Re: steel gear legs ...lift strut ends (steel fittings) (FIXERJONES@aol.com)
15. 07:53 PM - Re: registration (Ken Korenek)
16. 07:53 PM - Ben Ransom (GeoR38@aol.com)
17. 08:20 PM - Re: Attaching Upholstery (Larry Bourne)
18. 08:45 PM - Re: registration (Larry Bourne)
19. 09:06 PM - Trailering (Larry Bourne)
20. 09:32 PM - Re: Trailering (kuffel)
21. 10:06 PM - Re: Trailering (Larry Bourne)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hey Ben,
I used to make and repair "Crane Booms" sometimes when the boss would get
"CHEAPER" tubing it would crack just like you described... it's just too brittle.
You could throw alittle heat on it....I don't think you have to get it too hot...
The tubing for the crane boom that was cracking was being used as latuce.....we
just welded the cracks...
I'm starting my Color Coat today on my FSII, I've been thinking about Checkering
some of it's tail like yours.
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN FSII,503,IVO
SNIP>>>>>>
From: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: lift strut ends (steel fittings)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Hi All,
Bad of me to be so absent from the list -- I guess the matronics weasel
toasted me for inactivity. I'm getting closer to flying, and am
heartened (in a backward kind or way) that I've still not been beat by
Lar. ;) From the looks of things, you will beat me tho!
Anyway, got a question... Way back when, I had botched drilling thru
the ends of streamlined lift struts into the steel fittings. I'm
changing over to just making a new pair of conventional per plans
liftstruts and will add foam core/glass fairnings to them "later". I
got some 4130 tube, same diameter and wall thickness as the Kolb
supplied fittings, and tried flattening the ends. I was unable to
flatten them without getting a crack on the outside edge (where the
tube diam bends the most from round to flat). Sooo, I'm figuring
either there is some other trick or perhaps even a different alloy, or,
perhaps Kolb just grinds off the part where the crack shows. Anybody
know?
Thanks,
-Ben Ransom
KXP rebuild 95%
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and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | 3 Kolb Firestar hardware kits for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Hocker" <hocker@gte.net>
I have three hardware parts kits of Firestar replacement bolts, washers, fittings,
locking nuts, tail assembly bolts, phenolic pulleys, cable tangs, fair leads,
clevis pins, lock pins for folding wings, safety pins, castle nuts, sealing
rivits, red throttle knob, etc.,etc.. I counted a total of 541 pieces. Some
parts are worth $14 each if purchased separately. This was purchased last year
at Sun and Fun at the New Kolb Aircraft Company display for $250. I no longer
have my Firestar and never used any of the parts. They are brand new, never
used, and almost all of them are AN grade or stainless steel. I think most
of these parts can also be used for other Kolb aircraft as well. If anyone is
interested please contact me at hocker@gte.net . The total price for all three
kits is $175 OBO.
Bill Hocker
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| Subject: | Attaching Upholstery |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Kolb Friends -
What's the best method for sticking upholstery to the cabin interior?
My plane came with the factory upholstery package, and the double-sticky
tape that is intended to attach the material to the cabin interior surfaces
just isn't staying attached.
What have you used that works?
Would weather stripping glue be more permanent?
Thanks in advance ...
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, Verner-powered, in
Cedar Crest, NM
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching Upholstery |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Dennis, consider velcro and rubber cement.....BB do not archive
Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
>Kolb Friends -
>
>What's the best method for sticking upholstery to the cabin interior?
>
>My plane came with the factory upholstery package, and the double-sticky
>tape that is intended to attach the material to the cabin interior surfaces
>just isn't staying attached.
>
>What have you used that works?
>Would weather stripping glue be more permanent?
>
>Thanks in advance ...
>
>Dennis Kirby
>Mark-3, Verner-powered, in
>Cedar Crest, NM
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching Upholstery |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
I'd try carpet glue. The same stuff you buy to hold a
carpet to the floor. It seems to be very strong.
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Southern Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: Lift strut ends |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Thanks for your suggestions on this. It is one of those prime areas
where buying the Kolb parts (at $20 ea) is really paying for what has
been designed and proven. This because intuition says that annealing
or welding the crack line closed should be fine, but then again, these
are definetly 4 pieces where any risk of failure is unacceptable.
-Ben
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| Subject: | Re: steel gear legs ...lift strut ends (steel fittings) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
John,
Yep, I made some steel legs, although there really wasn't much to it.
Took John Hauck's advice and went with straight tubing as opposed to
welding together different diameters or other complex method. My legs
go all the way up to the top of the A sleeves, but I did ream out the
inside diameter of the legs for most of the sleeve length to save a few
ounces. Heat treaters said they could get these to no more than 42
Rockwell whereas I roughly recall JH recommended going to 46. I used
1.125 x .095 tubing, and I think JH had said his first design on his FS
of 1.00x.090 failed. I elected to not go with the size he changed up
to as he is using that on even his heavy hauler MKIII. Instead, I'm
guessing that my slightly larger tube will be just enf bigger to
withstand the hardened cow pies etc, and also, still subscribe to the
idea that it is better to fail the gear than the cage itself. BTW, I
also added a little reinforcing to the bottom longerons of my cage.
I'll get some pics of my rebuild saga up on my web page someday.
JH: feel free to correct any of above at will.
Proof will be in the pudding -- can't wait to try these things out!!
-Ben
--- John Cooley <johnc@datasync.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
>
> Hey Ben,
>
> Good to see your back. Don't make yourself so scarce from now on.
>
> At one time you talked about making 4130 gear legs. Did you make the
> 4130
> gear legs for the Firestar or go back with factory stuff?
>
> Later,
> John Cooley
>
> "do not archive"
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hi All,
> > Bad of me to be so absent from the list -- I guess the matronics
> weasel
> > toasted me for inactivity. I'm getting closer to flying, and am
> > heartened (in a backward kind or way) that I've still not been beat
> by
> > Lar. ;) From the looks of things, you will beat me tho!
> >
> > Anyway, got a question... Way back when, I had botched drilling
> thru
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| Subject: | Re: Lift strut ends |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Maxime Gou" <maximegou@hotmail.com>
please remove me from your list
>From: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lift strut ends
>Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:39:27 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
>
>Thanks for your suggestions on this. It is one of those prime areas
>where buying the Kolb parts (at $20 ea) is really paying for what has
>been designed and proven. This because intuition says that annealing
>or welding the crack line closed should be fine, but then again, these
>are definetly 4 pieces where any risk of failure is unacceptable.
>-Ben
>
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| Subject: | Re: steel gear legs ...lift strut ends (steel fittings) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Ben R/Gang:
I'll help you out a little.
> Heat treaters said they could get these to no more than 42
> Rockwell whereas I roughly recall JH recommended going to 46.
Your heat treater is BS'ing you. I have used
three different heat treaters over the years. One
in Orlando, FL, one in Birmingham, AL, and my
current heat treater in Anniston, AL. All have
heat treated my gear legs and tail wheel struts to
48 RC.
I used
> 1.125 x .095 tubing, and I think JH had said his first design on his FS
> of 1.00x.090 failed.
Initially, I used 1.00 X .090 and 42 RC. Too soft
and bent. Also not enough "beef".
After the first set I used 1.125 X .120 hardened
to 48 RC. I still have the set of legs from my
Firestar. Good as the day I put them on the
airplane.
I use the same material and 48 RC for my MK III
legs. The main difference is the MK III legs on
my Brother Jim's main gear leg sockets are only
24" long. The Firestar legs were 35.5" long,
shoved all the way up the socket. This put the FS
in a perfect 3 pt stance.
After failure of a seperate gear leg/axle socket
in BC a couple years ago, I went with Bro Jim's
advice and welded the axle socket to the gear
leg. That way both socket and leg are heat
treated equally. A little more difficult to align
the main gear, but a Hell of a lot more reliable.
john h
PS: If anyone wants the heat treaters info in
Anniston, let me know and I will post to the Kolb
List. This firm is based in Jacksonville, FL, and
have plants in Anniston and another location I can
not remember at this time.
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching Upholstery |
BAYES_01, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
try lockweld contact cement for putting down formica.
----- Original Message -----
From: "CaptainRon" <aerialron@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Attaching Upholstery
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
>
> I'd try carpet glue. The same stuff you buy to hold a
> carpet to the floor. It seems to be very strong.
>
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| Subject: | Re: removal from list-Maxime Gou |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Ck the address at end of any kolb-list for removal info.
bn
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Got a nice call from Oklahoma City today, the nice lady told me my registration
was finally completed today and will be in the mail Monday.
YEE HAA!
Also called the local FSDO and should hear from them Tuesday about scheduling an
airworthiness inspection.
Good stuff,
Denny Rowe Mk-3 N616DR Leechburg PA
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| Subject: | Re: "Maxime Gou" |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman <eugenezimmerman@dejazzd.com>
Maxime Gou wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Maxime Gou" <maximegou@hotmail.com>
>
> please remove me from your list
>
Hey, this is something each person should do for them self.
You Subscribed, now just Un/subscribe yourself by using the appropriate
link at the bottom of each and every message for this purpose.
It's
EZ
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| Subject: | Re: steel gear legs ...lift strut ends (steel fittings) |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FIXERJONES@aol.com
i just installed longer 4130 tube gear legs on my twinstar which comes out
to a 95" wide weelbase. there one piece tube ( 12" longer)with a 6061t6 end
piece turned down to fit the new leg & then the original axle assy. they
just bolt together. they work great so far. & just replaced the tailweel
assy. with my own desighn 6"x2" tire w/ tube weel & a double fork out of
4130. wow the old unit was flimsy & fell off.get to test the new tailweel out
in the morning, steve j
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| Subject: | Re: registration |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ken Korenek <ken-foi@attbi.com>
rowedl@highstream.net wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Also called the local FSDO and should hear from them Tuesday about scheduling
an airworthiness inspection.
Just had my inspection done 2 weeks ago and it was a non event. The plane was
properly prepared with all the proper lockwire, placards,
exposed threads, etc and all my paperwork was in order. The inspection process
was a lot easier than getting my registration out of OKC...
Ken
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Arlington, Texas 76016
817-572-6832 voice
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 4/17/03 6:36:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
swiderski@advanced-connect.net writes:
> http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~ransom
>
Ben, saw your web site for first time and was left with the feeling that I
lived through a little history as you were very active on this list in those
early years described on your site. FYI, I still have not changed my EGT
probe from the Y of the exhaust on my Firestar KX. YOUR web site is one of
the most informative and easy to navigate of all that I have seen! Wish you
the best on your BIG FOOTED Murphy....(still like to land on crick beds, eh?)
George Randolph
Firestar driver from Akron, O
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching Upholstery |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Spray adhesive works great, and it's quick and easy. Available in several
"strengths." Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Subject: Kolb-List: Attaching Upholstery
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM
<Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
> Kolb Friends -
>
> What's the best method for sticking upholstery to the cabin interior?
>
> My plane came with the factory upholstery package, and the double-sticky
> tape that is intended to attach the material to the cabin interior
surfaces
> just isn't staying attached.
>
> What have you used that works?
> Would weather stripping glue be more permanent?
>
> Thanks in advance ...
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-3, Verner-powered, in
> Cedar Crest, NM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: registration |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Dog-gone..................looks like you're gonna beat me to it, Denny.
(along with everybody else :-) ) I took a long, hard look at it yesterday,
and figured I should be ready for the DAR on the weekend after
next..............May 3 or 4. It's going to take a day or 2, just to get
the trailer ready. Barring any un-forseen surprises, 1st flight should be
the day after the inspection. Today, while having lunch with friends from
L.A., (at El Mirasol, Bob) I came to realize that Vamoose prob'ly won't see
Monument Valley next month. All going well, I'll only have 2 weeks to fly
off 40 hrs., and I just can't picture that. 8 hours flying a day, for 5
days ?? Nawwww................! ! ! The J-5 is still hanging fire over
the engine, so if something doesn't happen there soon, it's either gonna be
a rental airplane chance, or drive up in the camper, and hope to beg rides.
(???) I'm still gonna work at it, but gotta be realistic, too.
GoGittum Lar. N78LB Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: registration
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Got a nice call from Oklahoma City today, the nice lady told me my
registration was finally completed today and will be in the mail Monday.
> YEE HAA!
> Also called the local FSDO and should hear from them Tuesday about
scheduling an airworthiness inspection.
> Good stuff,
>
> Denny Rowe Mk-3 N616DR Leechburg PA
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I was sitting here re-reading my last post, and sniffling a little bit, feeling
a little sorry for myself, and in a sudden fit of desperate inspiration I suddenly
thought to myself - "self, do you think it might be possible to get a waiver
that would allow me to fly off a portion of that 40 hours in a different
area ??" Monument Valley is certainly uninhabited - for the most part - and most
of it is flat, open ground with lots of dirt roads. Has anyone ever heard
of this being done ?? Why did I buy a trailer for this fool thang, if not to
trailer it in ??? (assuming it can be made to fit in said - FireStar - trailer)
Wonder how offended my DAR would be by such foolishness ??
Day Dreaming Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Lar,
<<might be possible to get a waiver that would allow me to fly off a
portion of
that 40 hours in a different area ??" Monument Valley is certainly
uninhabited - for the most
part - and most of it is flat, open ground with lots of dirt roads. Has
anyone ever heard of
this being done>>
What you suggest has certainly been done before. It has even been
allowed for the pilot to *fly* to the alternate flight test area (once,
no over and return). But I would ask only for the trailer transport
between areas. The trick is to call your DAR in advance and arrange the
alternate ahead of time if he will go along with the scheme. Stress the
safety of doing a significant amount of your testing in a place more
uninhabited than Palm Springs. Don't get your hopes up too high as
there may be complications because the two areas belong to different
FSDOs.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
PS: Batten the hatches. The boss just finalized her May schedule and
agreed we could take the Prospector to Monument Valley. So if it turns
out you really want a ride we can accomodate you. Fair warning,
Valkyrie (the Wild Child replacement for Valentine) will be also be with
us.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Well, stranger, it's nice to know you're still out there, and better to know
you and Betty'll be at M.V. I'll look forward to meeting Valkyrie. What
flavor of pooch is she ?? My 1st inclination was to bug my DAR, but I
thought it may be prudent to get an expert opinion 1st. (do you know the
definition of an expert ?? An ex is a has-been, and a spurt is a little
drip under pressure) Your words give me some hope, and I'll email the DAR
forthwith. By golly..................this thing just might be do-able
after all. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "kuffel" <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trailering
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
>
> Lar,
>
> <<might be possible to get a waiver that would allow me to fly off a
> portion of
> that 40 hours in a different area ??" Monument Valley is certainly
> uninhabited - for the most
> part - and most of it is flat, open ground with lots of dirt roads. Has
> anyone ever heard of
> this being done>>
>
> What you suggest has certainly been done before. It has even been
> allowed for the pilot to *fly* to the alternate flight test area (once,
> no over and return). But I would ask only for the trailer transport
> between areas. The trick is to call your DAR in advance and arrange the
> alternate ahead of time if he will go along with the scheme. Stress the
> safety of doing a significant amount of your testing in a place more
> uninhabited than Palm Springs. Don't get your hopes up too high as
> there may be complications because the two areas belong to different
> FSDOs.
>
> Tom Kuffel
> Whitefish, MT
> Building Original FireStar
>
> PS: Batten the hatches. The boss just finalized her May schedule and
> agreed we could take the Prospector to Monument Valley. So if it turns
> out you really want a ride we can accomodate you. Fair warning,
> Valkyrie (the Wild Child replacement for Valentine) will be also be with
> us.
>
>
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