---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/20/03: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:38 AM - Re: my next project () 2. 04:38 AM - Re: registration () 3. 06:40 AM - Regulation Guidelines (Mike Pierzina) 4. 07:14 AM - Re: EVO/AIR website update (S Ferkey) 5. 07:55 AM - SpaceShipOne & White Knight (Peter Volum) 6. 08:06 AM - Re: SpaceShipOne & White Knight (Larry Bourne) 7. 09:36 AM - Heat Treaters Address (Terry Davis) 8. 10:00 AM - Re: Heat Treaters Address (John Hauck) 9. 10:16 AM - Re: Heat Treaters Address (John Hauck) 10. 11:02 AM - Re: Securing floor plates (CaptainRon) 11. 11:10 AM - Re: Heat Treaters Address (John Hauck) 12. 11:41 AM - Re: Securing floor plates (Larry Bourne) 13. 12:35 PM - Re: Securing floor plates (John Hauck) 14. 12:57 PM - Ergonomic Foam (John Hauck) 15. 01:45 PM - getting it all together (boyd young) 16. 01:45 PM - exposed threads (boyd young) 17. 01:45 PM - fasten floor plates (boyd young) 18. 01:57 PM - ultrastar (ronnie wehba) 19. 02:39 PM - Re: getting it all together (Larry Bourne) 20. 03:35 PM - Re: ultrastar (Bruce L Borg) 21. 03:42 PM - Re: Ergonomic Foam (John Cooley) 22. 05:04 PM - Re: ultrastar (ronnie wehba) 23. 05:17 PM - Re: ultrastar (Eugene Zimmerman) 24. 05:23 PM - Re: fasten floor plates (Bob Bean) 25. 05:58 PM - Re: Ergonomic Foam (jerb) 26. 06:29 PM - Re: Securing floor plates (CaptainRon) 27. 06:43 PM - Re: Heat Treaters Address (FIXERJONES@aol.com) 28. 06:48 PM - Re: fasten floor plates (CaptainRon) 29. 06:56 PM - Re: Heat Treaters Address (Jim Hauck) 30. 07:03 PM - Blast from the past, or Welcome back Gerry () 31. 07:14 PM - Re: fasten floor plates (Richard Pike) 32. 08:03 PM - Re: Ergonomic Foam (John Hauck) 33. 08:07 PM - Re: fasten floor plates (John Hauck) 34. 10:06 PM - Re: Ergonomic Foam (Don Gherardini) 35. 10:28 PM - Re: fasten floor plates (CaptainRon) 36. 10:45 PM - Re: fasten floor plates (CaptainRon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:19 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: my next project --> Kolb-List message posted by: Nice choice Ben, Linda and myself have been long admirerers of the Rebel, its awesome with the 0320 Lycoming. Happy building. Denny Rowe PS: My next project, in about 10 or 20 years :-) will be a Sonex. ( until somethin better comes along) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Ransom Subject: Kolb-List: my next project > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom > > Hi all, > George alluded to the 'big-footed' Murphy pic on my web page, and I > thought I might as well fess up that as soon as I get airborne again in > the FS I will start in on a Murphy Rebel. It's the bush plane thing -- > the Kolb got me hooked and, after getting my private ticket I just > found the opportunity to get a bigger bush plane too hard to resist. I > bought someone else's barely started project in Feb. > > The Murphy Rebel, like the Kolb, is a solid design, very strong > airplane, responsive although stiffer control feel, and very capable as > a bush plane. My FS will keep me happy with good flying time in the > long road ahead in this next project. > -Ben > > > ===== > http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~ransom > > http://search.yahoo.com > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:33 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: registration --> Kolb-List message posted by: Relax Lar, Better to take our time and be safe, the devils in these details. Denny- trying not to race Lar-Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Bourne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: registration > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > Punch ?? Punch ?? I think ol' Lar's getting punch-ey. Finicky little > details, details, B.S.................seems like it's un-ending. I'm > starting to think I'm 99.5% done; 30% to go. Arrrrrrggghh ! ! ! > Do not Archive. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: registration > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious > > To: > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: registration > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" > > > > > > > > > > > Denny, will the local FSDO actually do the inspection? Ours won't even > > THINK about touching it. They're too BUSY to mess with "little airplanes." > > So I have to pay $450 for a designated examiner to do the work. > > > Bob > > > > > > Yea, > > The Allegheny county FSDO says they can do it, no problem. I may have a > few > > week wait so Lar may still beat me to the punch, but I am just happy to be > > past the registration part. > > Denny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > To: "kolblist" > > > Subject: Kolb-List: registration > > > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 20:45:36 -0400 > > > > > > -- Kolb-List message posted by: > > > > > > Got a nice call from Oklahoma City today, the nice lady told me my > > registration was finally completed today and will be in the mail Monday. > > > YEE HAA! > > > Also called the local FSDO and should hear from them Tuesday about > > scheduling an airworthiness inspection. > > > Good stuff, > > > > > > Denny Rowe Mk-3 N616DR Leechburg PA > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:24 AM PST US From: "Mike Pierzina" Subject: Kolb-List: Regulation Guidelines --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" Thanks John, I bookmarked that page...It should help me alot on this plane & I've already bought the plans for my NEXT project - Steve Witman "Tailwind" ( 50th anniversary ) Which this page will REALLY help. Gotta Fly... Mike , The garage should be heated up by now,time to flip some parts and do some spray painting. SNIP>>>> The following is from AC 43-13: AC 43.13-1B ACCEPTABLE METHODS, TECHNIQUES, AND PRACTICES - AIRCRAFT INSPECTION AND REPAIR September 8, 1998 (With Change 1 Incorporated) f. Fiber or nylon locknuts are constructed with an unthreaded fiber or nylon locking insert held securely in place. The fiber or nylon insert provides the locking action because it has a smaller diameter than the nut. Fiber or nylon self-locking nuts are not installed in areas where temperatures exceed 250 F. After the nut has been tightened, make sure the bolt or stud has at least one thread showing past the nut. DO NOT reuse a fiber or nylon locknut, if the nut cannot meet the minimum prevailing torque values. AC 43.13 has the answers right on the WWW: http://av-info.faa.gov/dst/43-13/ john h Sometimes you just have to take the leap and build your wings on the way down... Gotta Fly... Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:09 AM PST US From: "S Ferkey" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: EVO/AIR website update --> Kolb-List message posted by: "S Ferkey" Paul, I've been following your progress on the V-twin research and I share your affection for the Harleys and everything they stand for. I bought a brand new black and chrome EVO a few years ago with the intention of doing the same thing, only using the after market Sceaming Eagle belt reduction available right thru Harley. I would also use the Sreaming Eagle ignition module which will give you a lot more horse power and torque for a cost of less than a hundred bucks. One word of caution, The Evo engine has a position sensor located behind the timing cover that is designed to shut the engine down in the event of an accident where the bike is laid down more than 3-4 seconds at an angle greater than 30 degrees. This sensor can be easily disabled but if you're not aware of it, your first steep climb out could become a queit decent ! Best of luck ! If there's anything I can do to help please let me know. Sheldon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: EVO/AIR website update > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > To windy to fly today:-( > Froze my tail off riding the Buell to the airport and back. Added four new pages to the website www.c-gate.net/ppetty > Headed to the shop for more R&D............. > > pp.... > N4958P > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:26 AM PST US From: "Peter Volum" Subject: Kolb-List: SpaceShipOne & White Knight --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" My apologies for straying from the Kolb theme a little bit folks. As an avid Burt Rutan admirer, I can't help myself. I'm sure some of you will be equally impressed by his latest unveiling if you aren't already familiar with it. It could very well change the future of NASA. Neat pictures too! http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/index.htm Do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:17 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: SpaceShipOne & White Knight --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I share your admiration....................he certainly isn't afraid to design outside the box, is he ?? Beautiful, distinctive, and unique. You can instantly tell that it's a Rutan design. I'll bet it works, too. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Volum" Subject: Kolb-List: SpaceShipOne & White Knight > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" > > My apologies for straying from the Kolb theme a little bit folks. As an > avid Burt Rutan admirer, I can't help myself. > > I'm sure some of you will be equally impressed by his latest unveiling > if you aren't already familiar with it. It could very well change the > future of NASA. > > Neat pictures too! > > http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/index.htm > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:33 AM PST US From: "Terry Davis" Subject: Kolb-List: Heat Treaters Address --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry Davis" John H, Could you please post the address of the heat treating outfit you used, I'm just getting my gear legs ready to send off and would like to be sure they are right. I'll let the list know how they came out when I get them back. Terry Davis, FS II single place, finish painting, welding an alu tank. Do Not Archive. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:44 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heat Treaters Address --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > John H, > Could you please post the address of the heat treating outfit you used, I'm just getting my gear legs ready to send off and would like to be sure they are right. I'll let the list know how they came out when I get them back. Terry Davis Terry/Gang: Here's the web site for the plant in Anniston, AL: http://braddockmt.com/al.htm Here's Braddock's home page. They are larger than I thought: http://braddockmt.com/al.htm My gear legs were supposed to be hardened and tempered to 48 RC, but came out of the kiln at 46-47 RC, which it good enough to get the job done. john h ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:36 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heat Treaters Address --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Hey Gang: Braddock's national web site is: http://braddockmt.com/al.htm I might add, call the toll free number listed. Tell the folks what you want done. You can send items to them UPS and they will return UPS. They usually have a minimum charge. So if you have two dozen gear legs to heat treat, it will cost the same as two gear legs. A couple years ago the minimum charge was around $60.00. john h ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:28 AM PST US From: CaptainRon Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Securing floor plates --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon How does the contour foam works? do you have to build a frame for it? ============================= --- Larry Bourne wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > > I used dune buggy seats, with upholstery inserts. > Quite comfy, and not too > spendy...........but turned out to be a little > heavier than I thought, at 6# > each. I'm going to experiment with contour foam, > (?? - like John H. uses) > and a little lumbar support. > Lar. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CaptainRon" > To: > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Securing floor plates > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon > > > > > I guess I'll go with that. How about small self > > tapping screws? Has anyone tried that? > > I also have to make a decision about fuel tanks. I > had > > one lister's whose email I saved as he builds alum > > tanks. However after my recent computer meltdown > all > > my contacts were erased. So if you are still on > the > > list please email me your address again. > > I remember a discussion a while ago about off the > > shelve fuel tanks, has anyone actually installed > one > > of those marine plastic tanks. > > And my last question has to do with seats. Where > can I > > get some real seats at a reasonable price that can > go > > into a Kolb? > > > > thanks > > > > > > ======================== > > I suggest you go with aluminum rivets though, as > you > > will have to drill > > them out every now and then. Aluminum is strong > > enough to do the job, > > yet much easier to drill out. > > > > ===== > > Building M3X > > Southern Arizona > > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== Building M3X Southern Arizona http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:43 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heat Treaters Address --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Braddock's national web site is: > > http://braddockmt.com/al.htm Gang: Dad blame it!!! I just looked and still did not get it right. Shoulda been: http://braddockmt.com/ 20,000 xin loi's................. john h ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:41 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Securing floor plates --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Not sure if I got the right name. John ?? It's that space age foam rubber that molds to your body under weight and warmth, and gives terrific support. Comes in, I think, 3 firmness-es, and is fearsomely expensive. I got one of those portable seat cushions from Oregon Aero for my tender ol' bony buns a while back, and it cost me nearly $100.00, time it was shipped. Sure does live up to advertising, tho'. Tender Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "CaptainRon" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Securing floor plates > --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon > > How does the contour foam works? do you have to build > a frame for it? > > ============================= > --- Larry Bourne wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > > > > > I used dune buggy seats, with upholstery inserts. > > Quite comfy, and not too > > spendy...........but turned out to be a little > > heavier than I thought, at 6# > > each. I'm going to experiment with contour foam, > > (?? - like John H. uses) > > and a little lumbar support. > > Lar. > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:29 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Securing floor plates --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Not sure if I got the right name. John ?? It's that space age foam rubber > that molds to your body under weight and warmth, and gives terrific support. > Comes in, I think, 3 firmness-es, and is fearsomely expensive. > Larry Bourne Larry/Gents: Try Temper Foam, ergonomic foam (I think that is what the seat cushions in the space shuttle are made of). It does what you say. I put a piece on the seat bottom of Miss P'fer. Prior to this I could fly 30 min and have an aching butt. I mean aching bad. The temperfoam takes care of that problem. I have not suffered from butt ache since I started sitting on it. Mine is 1.5" thick and is "firm". Comes in medium and soft. This foam makes crashing a little more survivable. Temper foam does not rebound like normal foam rubber. The rebound of seat cushions improves chances of getting hurt. It is worth every penny it cost. I got mine from Aircraft Spruce. Temperfoam has a web site. john h ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:57:21 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Kolb-List: Ergonomic Foam --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Gang: This web site explains ergonomic foam better than I can: http://www.aviationdesign.com/confor.html john h ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:12 PM PST US From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: getting it all together --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" 99.5% done; 30% to go. Lar, that sounds just about corect...... by the time you get it in the air you will know what i mean. boyd ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:12 PM PST US From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: exposed threads --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" > What's the regulation on exposed threads...( 3 ??? ) the faa told me 1 1/2 showing. boyd ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:12 PM PST US From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: fasten floor plates --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" Has anyone installed and fastened their floor plates without using rivets into the tubing? my main floor plate is fastened down without rivits.... however the front plate i taped some holes in and put in some small ( 8- 32 ) bolts... the side view of the main floor looks like ________________ ( ) i just snapes over the structual members..... i had to add some metal to make it long enough to get the ends bent over to hold. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:35 PM PST US From: "ronnie wehba" Subject: Kolb-List: ultrastar BAYES_01, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24, HTML_60_70, HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_FONT_COLOR_RED, HTML_FONT_FACE_ODD) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" was the ultrastar ever a plans built? ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:58 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: getting it all together --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" They lied ! ! ! I've always been told that it's 90% done; 90% to go. Closer I get to done, the more there is to do. 'T'ain't fair. Snivellin' Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: getting it all together > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" > > 99.5% done; 30% to go. > > > Lar, that sounds just about corect...... by the time you get it in the air you will know what i mean. > > boyd > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar From: Bruce L Borg --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bruce L Borg Ronnie When I built it was a plans and material kit. They gave you a box of tubing and fabric and plans. You had to do all the welding, about 150 hours of welding alone. Later they prvided a welded cage for another $850. Bruce ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:17 PM PST US From: "John Cooley" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ergonomic Foam --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" Hi Gang, Here's a response that I got from a company that sells the special seat foam. The price quote listed is for a 16 x 18 inch cushion. I have two pieces of this material already that came with the Mark III kit I bought from Jeremy Casey. The pieces I have are 1 inch thick in what I would think to be a medium or soft firmness. I think the medium on top of a firm piece would be the way to go. The piece that I have by it's self is not enough. I have been using it in my Firestar on top of a hard foam cushion and my duration is about 1 hour or so. Hope this helps. Later, John Cooley Snip......... We apologize for the delay in answering your e-mail request. We arrived back home Lincoln, NE from Sun n Fun. Now for the fun part of unloading the truck and catching up with our orders. How thick can your cushion be? Confor Foam compresses about 1/2 ( a two inch would raise you approximately one inch off the hard foam base). A cushion consisting of one inch of firm and one inch of medium would run $54.00. Thanks for looking us up on the web http://www.seatfoam.com/index.htm Sincerely, Jim and Janice Fix End Snip.......... > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > Gang: > > This web site explains ergonomic foam better than > I can: > > http://www.aviationdesign.com/confor.html > > john h ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:20 PM PST US From: "ronnie wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar BAYES_01, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" what would be the chance that you still have the plans? there are 2 here that fell in love with mine and really want one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce L Borg" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bruce L Borg > > Ronnie > When I built it was a plans and material kit. They gave you a box of > tubing and fabric and plans. You had to do all the welding, about 150 > hours of welding alone. Later they prvided a welded cage for another > $850. > Bruce > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:26 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Bruce L Borg wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bruce L Borg > > Ronnie > When I built it was a plans and material kit. They gave you a box of > tubing and fabric and plans. You had to do all the welding, about 150 > hours of welding alone. Later they prvided a welded cage for another > $850. > Bruce > Hello Mr. Borg, Your name sounds vaguely familiar. Did you perhaps sell your Ultrastar kit partially built? Was it ever part of a school project? I completed one in the mid eighties that was partially built and I was wondering if it could possibly have been yours? Gene ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:38 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: fasten floor plates --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean boyd young wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" > > >Has anyone installed and fastened their floor plates >without using rivets into the tubing? > >I used the alum fabric rivets. They look good too. -BB > do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:43 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ergonomic Foam --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb What part of the country do you live in - on factor of the foam is it gets firmer when cold. According to the foam vendor at Sun & Fun if your located in the North you might want to use a soft layer and medium plus a firm, in the warmer South, a medium and a firm. jerb At 05:48 PM 4/20/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" > >Hi Gang, > >Here's a response that I got from a company that sells the special seat >foam. The price quote listed is for a 16 x 18 inch cushion. I have two >pieces of this material already that came with the Mark III kit I bought >from Jeremy Casey. The pieces I have are 1 inch thick in what I would think >to be a medium or soft firmness. I think the medium on top of a firm piece >would be the way to go. The piece that I have by it's self is not enough. I >have been using it in my Firestar on top of a hard foam cushion and my >duration is about 1 hour or so. Hope this helps. > > >Later, >John Cooley > > >Snip......... > >We apologize for the delay in answering your e-mail request. We arrived >back home Lincoln, NE from Sun n Fun. Now for the fun part of unloading the >truck and catching up with our orders. > >How thick can your cushion be? Confor Foam compresses about 1/2 ( a two >inch would raise you approximately one inch off the hard foam base). A >cushion consisting of one inch of firm and one inch of medium would run >$54.00. > >Thanks for looking us up on the web >http://www.seatfoam.com/index.htm > >Sincerely, >Jim and Janice Fix > >End Snip.......... > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > > > > Gang: > > > > This web site explains ergonomic foam better than > > I can: > > > > http://www.aviationdesign.com/confor.html > > > > john h > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:13 PM PST US From: CaptainRon Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Securing floor plates --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon Ok I think I heard about it. One hundred smackrooskis to comfort my butt is a at the present time above my pain trashold. :-) Started drilling the cage for the floor plates. :-( ========================= do not archive > Not sure if I got the right name. John ?? It's > that space age foam rubber > that molds to your body under weight and warmth, and > gives terrific support. > Comes in, I think, 3 firmness-es, and is fearsomely > expensive. I got one of > those portable seat cushions from Oregon Aero for my > tender ol' bony buns a > while back, and it cost me nearly $100.00, time it > was shipped. Sure does > live up to advertising, tho'. Tender > Lar. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CaptainRon" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Securing floor plates > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon > > > > > How does the contour foam works? do you have to > build > > a frame for it? > > > > ============================= > > --- Larry Bourne wrote: > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > > > > > > > > I used dune buggy seats, with upholstery > inserts. > > > Quite comfy, and not too > > > spendy...........but turned out to be a little > > > heavier than I thought, at 6# > > > each. I'm going to experiment with contour > foam, > > > (?? - like John H. uses) > > > and a little lumbar support. > > > Lar. > > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== Building M3X Southern Arizona http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:39 PM PST US From: FIXERJONES@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heat Treaters Address --> Kolb-List message posted by: FIXERJONES@aol.com why heat treat the gearlegs? won't they get more brittle? crack easyer? ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:31 PM PST US From: CaptainRon Subject: Re: Kolb-List: fasten floor plates --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon I thought about doing that, but was not sure if it would rattle. I am fastening it now with small screws and I may go to alum rivets if the screws start working themselves out. So far the main plate is fastened by 6 fasteners, I hope it will be enough to keep it from rattling. =============== > Has anyone installed and fastened their floor plates > without using rivets into the tubing? > > my main floor plate is fastened down without > rivits.... however the front plate i taped some > holes in and put in some small ( 8- 32 ) bolts... > the side view of the main floor looks like > > ________________ > ( ) > > i just snapes over the structual members..... i > had to add some metal to make it long enough to get > the ends bent over to hold. > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== Building M3X Southern Arizona http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:43 PM PST US From: "Jim Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Heat Treaters Address --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Hauck" You heat treat the gear legs to make them a spring. In a normal state they are too rigid and will bend. Keeping the hardness below 48 Rockwell will not make them brittle. Jim Hauck ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:59 PM PST US From: Subject: Kolb-List: Blast from the past, or Welcome back Gerry --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kolbers, Got a neat e-mail today from the original owner of my Mk-3 kit # 90, one Gerry Heffner. Seems that the guy I couldn't find, has found me. He had been lurking on the list digest thinking about buying another Kolb kit and noticed one of my old posts from when I was trying to find him in order to obtain a FAA approved Bill of Sale. I have since worked out the Bill of Sale problem with the FAA but man is it good to hear from Gerry. He did nice work on my kit when she was his girl. Lets all welcome Mr., Heffner back to the Kolb fold and hope he joins us again in our pursuit of aviation, Homer style. Denny Rowe Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, western PA GETTING READY FOR AIRWORTHINESS INSPECTION, sorry to shout, hit the caps lock on the A in PA and didn't know it. do not archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:32 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: fasten floor plates --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike I welded little tabs to the different tubes and used "U" type NAS 395 Tinnerman nuts. Note: use with type "B" sheet metal screws. Pages 86 & 90 of the Aircraft Spruce catalog. Simple and easy to put in and out, which is important since my wiring harness is under the floor plates. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:15 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ergonomic Foam --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > What part of the country do you live in - on factor of the foam is it gets > firmer when cold. > jerb jerb/Gang: You got that right. In the winter my Temperfoam gets hard as a rock. However, in a matter of minutes, the warmth from my boney butt has caused the Temperfoam to conform perfectly to every contour and crease. I just pulled out my 2000/2001 Aircraft Spruce Catalog. Sure enough they still have Temperfoam, but it is a combination laminate of soft/med/hard. In 1993 or 94, I bought one piece of hard that was 1X16X18 inches. That piece of foam was worth every penny I paid for it. I tried it out by flying 234 hours in 41 days. Never once got a butt ache. 30 mins on the original seat and I was in severe butt cramps. Reminded me of the sheet metal shelf with what used to be a cushion that was called the seat in a Bell OH-13 helicopter. I have been flying on the same piece of foam since then. My friend, Bill Griffin, on this List, flew with me from Alabama to Thomasville, GA, Evergreen, AL, and home in 1994. I had Temperfoam, he didn't. When he got home he order two pieces of Temperfoam. One for his Firestar and one for the left seat of my MK III. If you have a choice, no matter wear you live, buy a single piece of 1" hard Temperfoam. Does not matter how cold and hard it is. In a very short time it will soften from you body heat and conform. Works good in hot weather too. I would not tell ya if it weren't so. :-) john h (tested foam for over 1,500 hours, don't leave home without it) ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:47 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: fasten floor plates --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck So far the main plate is > fastened by 6 fasteners, I hope it will be enough to > keep it from rattling. Ron/Gang: No sweat. You won't hear it if it is rattling, unless the engine is shut down. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:35 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ergonomic Foam --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Call Wicks men, I bought 2 pieces of foam from them...one pink/medium, and one blue/hard...They have a whole stack on cut-offs in the lobby there,, 1 in.X 16 or 18 inch squares...CHEAP...12 or 14 bucks!... Im sitting on the pink one now...its been in this chair for 4 months. The Blue one is on the seat of my Mother-in-laws wheelchair. So im gonna have to go back and get more! I have plans for several. One for my airplane. and Im gonna try an get my wife to make some denim covers for several more, just for throw around seat pads. It truely is amazin stuff!. Like John says, Its hard when its cold but that doesn't matter cause it warms up pretty quick and really conforms. http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Don Gherardini- FireFly 098 (one wing surface and cage left to cover!!!!!)...... ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:50 PM PST US From: CaptainRon Subject: Re: Kolb-List: fasten floor plates --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon Yes more tabs would be good. Its on my xmass list to get a welding kit. Do not archive ======================== > I welded little tabs to the different tubes and used > "U" type NAS 395 Tinnerman nuts. > Note: use with type "B" sheet metal screws. > Pages 86 & 90 of the Aircraft Spruce catalog. > Simple and easy to put in and out, which is > important > since my wiring harness is under the floor plates. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== Building M3X Southern Arizona http://search.yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:35 PM PST US From: CaptainRon Subject: Re: Kolb-List: fasten floor plates --> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon You got a point there! :-) Its the purity of the concept that makes me wanna do those silly things. I resolved to place some sort of a cushion between the tubes and the plates. Silicon/insulation strip,,,, I'll come up with something. Btw tinkering with butts, I sure would like some protection between the south end, and those thorny cacti. Has anyone fastened Al plates under the seats? they seem to fit with no trouble if they are fastened from the bottom side (SS rivets of course) ====================== > So far the main plate is > > fastened by 6 fasteners, I hope it will be enough > to > > keep it from rattling. > > Ron/Gang: > > No sweat. You won't hear it if it is rattling, > unless the engine is shut down. > > john h > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > latest messages. > List members. > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== Building M3X Southern Arizona http://search.yahoo.com