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1. 06:24 AM - Re: fasten floor plates (John Hauck)
2. 06:32 AM - Re: Ergonomic Foam (WillUribe@aol.com)
3. 07:18 AM - Re: Ergonomic Foam (Richard Pike)
4. 07:32 AM - Re: Ergonomic Foam (John Hauck)
5. 08:14 AM - Re: fasten floor plates (CaptainRon)
6. 08:34 AM - Heat Treat Question (David Key)
7. 12:04 PM - Re: fasten floor plates (possums)
8. 12:43 PM - cheapo sling seats (Jack & Louise Hart)
9. 03:00 PM - Re: Securing Floor Plates (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
10. 05:53 PM - slingshot VNE (Joe Allman)
11. 06:12 PM - Re: fasten floor plates (CaptainRon)
12. 06:20 PM - Re: slingshot VNE (Bill Woods)
13. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Securing Floor Plates (CaptainRon)
14. 06:30 PM - Mark III pics ?? (Larry Austin)
15. 06:40 PM - Re: slingshot VNE (Joe Allman)
16. 06:41 PM - Re: slingshot VNE (Joe Allman)
17. 07:07 PM - Re: slingshot VNE (Bill Woods)
18. 07:11 PM - Re: slingshot VNE (Bill Woods)
19. 09:10 PM - Lar's Building (William Herren)
20. 09:34 PM - Re: Lar's Building (Richard Pike)
21. 10:11 PM - Re: wing supports (DAquaNut@aol.com)
22. 10:20 PM - Re: Mark III pics ?? ()
23. 11:54 PM - Re: Lar's Building (Larry Bourne)
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| Subject: | Re: fasten floor plates |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Btw tinkering with butts, I sure would like
> some protection between the south end, and those
> thorny cacti. Has anyone fastened Al plates under the
> seats? they seem to fit with no trouble if they are
> fastened from the bottom side (SS rivets of course) RON
Ron/Gang:
Yes, I have aluminum pans under my plastic
(Ultrastar) seats. However, I have a welded
square tube seat frame that the seats are mounted
on. The aluminum pans are riveted to the seat
frame, a trick I learned from the Jungle and Radio
Service (JARS) pilots. One of their pilots
stalled and pancaked a Helio Courier. He would
have walked away from the crash had the seat not
gone through the 4130 seat frame, injuring his
spine and causing paralysis from the waist down.
The aluminum pan, riveted with SS rivets, is to
prevent me going through the 4130 seat frame
should the need arise. Would also prevent
something from coming up through the bottom of the
fuselage.
I don't know what kind of seats are in the MK
IIIX, but imagine they are the old sling seats.
Do you plan on mounting the aluminum pans on the
top of the bottom longerons and tubes? One thing
that bothered me, and one of the reasons we went
with the Ultrastar seats, was the cross tube that
hits me right in the tail bone on a standard MK
III sling seat. I did not like that and felt it
might be a problem waiting to happen.
I have survived some fairly serious crashes in the
Ultrastar, Firestar, and the MK III. Was able to
walk away from them all. Contribute that to the
excellent crashworthiness built into the kolb line
of airplanes. Haven't had a bad one in more than
11 years (knock on wood). Hoping I never see
another.
Time is getting short. About 3 weeks until I
depart for points west. This morning I will build
new vertical stabilizer. Probably take 8 days to
complete through paint and one more day to
reinstall the tail section. That'll give me
enough time to fly some before departure for
Monument Valley. Usually, if something is going
to break or go wrong, it will a day or two before
departure.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Ergonomic Foam |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Greetings,
Here is another webpage for TEMPERFOAM
http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page40.htm
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Ergonomic Foam |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Best price so far is from Wicks, 16" X 18" X 1" foam pad for $16.
Extra soft part# 19016
Soft part# 19017
Medium part# 19018
Stiff part# 19019
1-800-221-9425
It's on page 57
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Ergonomic Foam |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Stiff part# 19019
> Richard Pike
Morning Richard/Gang:
Can't go wrong with $16 each.
The above is what I have been using for almost 10
yrs. I think I paid $25 from Aircraft Spruce.
One inch thick gets the job done. When I bought
mine, the sales person recommended "stiff". I
didn't really think that was the way to go, but
since it was recommended went ahead and ordered
it. Now that I have had plenty time to use the
"stiff" foam I am glad I did. It works in
freezing and well as tropical temps. Takes a
little longer to warmup and conform when it is
cold, but still works great. I have not need for
anything thicker than 1".
john h
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| Subject: | Re: fasten floor plates |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
People walk away impressed with the elegance and
strength of the design, my only embarrassments when I
show the M3X off is the cheapo sling seats.
For something that is on par with light production
aircraft those cheapo hammocks don't belong there.
Looking around for something better.
Do not archive
==================
I don't know what kind of seats are in the MK
IIIX, but imagine they are the old sling seats.
=====
Building M3X
Southern Arizona
http://search.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Heat Treat Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "David Key" <dhkey@msn.com>
I bent a gear leg. Found out how much a new one costs. Then sent it to a
machine shop to bend it back. They heated it to do it. They said it would
ruin the heat treating. I said go ahead. I put the leg back on the plane. It
works fine so far. Do I have a more brittle gear leg now? Will it spring
back? If I send it off to get heat treated will they have to somehow wash
off all the old heat treating. Then start with the new one? I don't
understand a thing about this.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: fasten floor plates |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 08:13 AM 4/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
>
>People walk away impressed with the elegance and
>strength of the design, my only embarrassments when I
>show the M3X off is the cheapo sling seats.
>For something that is on par with light production
>aircraft those cheapo hammocks don't belong there.
>Looking around for something better.
>
>Do not archive
I used an "Office Depot" chair with the firm Temperfoam as
replacement foam in the bottom seat - one too many crashes.
http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/Snapinseat.jpg
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| Subject: | cheapo sling seats |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
For the weight and comfort, they are hard to beat.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
At 08:13 AM 4/21/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
>
>People walk away impressed with the elegance and
>strength of the design, my only embarrassments when I
>show the M3X off is the cheapo sling seats.
>For something that is on par with light production
>aircraft those cheapo hammocks don't belong there.
>Looking around for something better.
>
>Do not archive
>
>==================
>
>I don't know what kind of seats are in the MK
>IIIX, but imagine they are the old sling seats.
>
>=====
>Building M3X
>Southern Arizona
>
>http://search.yahoo.com
>
>
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Securing Floor Plates |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
CaptainRon wrote: << Has anyone installed and fastened their floor plates
without using rivets into the tubing? >>
Cap'n Ron, and Kolbers -
I secured my floorpans using short stainless steel sheet metal screws.
My reasoning was not from concern of weakening cage structure, but to
provide easy access to stuff under the floors. And it's already paid off.
Glad I did it this way.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, Verner, Powerfin-72 in
Cedar Crest, NM
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <fisherallman@earthlink.net>
Evening kolbers,
I'm a long time lurker looking for some slingshot specs.
Anyone have a ballpark VNE or VNO for a slingshot?
Thanks,
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: fasten floor plates |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
I used an "Office Depot" chair with the firm
Temperfoam as
replacement foam in the bottom seat - one too many
crashes.
===============
Now thats an excellent idea, we even have one of those
in town. I guess I'll go shopping for seats soon. :-)
do not archive
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Building M3X
Southern Arizona
http://search.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: slingshot VNE |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Woods" <kolbpilot@msn.com>
120 mph. But I've seen 130.
Bill Woods
912S Slingshot
From: "Joe Allman" <FISHERALLMAN@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Kolb-List: slingshot VNE
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <FISHERALLMAN@EARTHLINK.NET>
Evening kolbers,
I'm a long time lurker looking for some slingshot specs.
Anyone have a ballpark VNE or VNO for a slingshot?
Thanks,
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Securing Floor Plates |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
I agree, I bought a box of #6 ss screws earlier today
at Ace Aerospace :-)
I'll use those on the remaining plates.
================================================
I secured my floorpans using short stainless steel
sheet metal screws.
My reasoning was not from concern of weakening cage
structure, but to
provide easy access to stuff under the floors. And
it's already paid
off.
Glad I did it this way.
=====
Building M3X
Southern Arizona
http://search.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Mark III pics ?? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Austin" <joandlp@starband.net>
BlankHello Group,
Anyone know of a site that has some good pics, inside and out, of a Mark III
Xtra? Thanks in advance,
Larry
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <fisherallman@earthlink.net>
Thanks Bill,
120 is what I thought I remembered.
How about the upper end of the VNO?
I'm trying to color code my ASI.
Thanks again,
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Woods
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: slingshot VNE
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Woods" <kolbpilot@msn.com>
120 mph. But I've seen 130.
Bill Woods
912S Slingshot
From: "Joe Allman" <FISHERALLMAN@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Kolb-List: slingshot VNE
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <FISHERALLMAN@EARTHLINK.NET>
Evening kolbers,
I'm a long time lurker looking for some slingshot specs.
Anyone have a ballpark VNE or VNO for a slingshot?
Thanks,
Joe
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <fisherallman@earthlink.net>
130? Big engine or gravity assist?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Woods
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: slingshot VNE
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Woods" <kolbpilot@msn.com>
120 mph. But I've seen 130.
Bill Woods
912S Slingshot
From: "Joe Allman" <FISHERALLMAN@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Kolb-List: slingshot VNE
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <FISHERALLMAN@EARTHLINK.NET>
Evening kolbers,
I'm a long time lurker looking for some slingshot specs.
Anyone have a ballpark VNE or VNO for a slingshot?
Thanks,
Joe
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Woods" <kolbpilot@msn.com>
Normal cruise aruond 5000 rpm is about 100-105 mph with 912S.
Bill
From: "Joe Allman" <FISHERALLMAN@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: slingshot VNE
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <FISHERALLMAN@EARTHLINK.NET>
Thanks Bill,
120 is what I thought I remembered.
How about the upper end of the VNO?
I'm trying to color code my ASI.
Thanks again,
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Woods
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: slingshot VNE
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Woods" <KOLBPILOT@MSN.COM>
120 mph. But I've seen 130.
Bill Woods
912S Slingshot
From: "Joe Allman" <FISHERALLMAN@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Kolb-List: slingshot VNE
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <FISHERALLMAN@EARTHLINK.NET>
Evening kolbers,
I'm a long time lurker looking for some slingshot specs.
Anyone have a ballpark VNE or VNO for a slingshot?
Thanks,
Joe
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Woods" <kolbpilot@msn.com>
5500 rpm will show around 115 mph, add a little dive and watch the speed rise.
Bill
From: "Joe Allman" <FISHERALLMAN@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: slingshot VNE
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <FISHERALLMAN@EARTHLINK.NET>
130? Big engine or gravity assist?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Woods
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: slingshot VNE
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Bill Woods" <KOLBPILOT@MSN.COM>
120 mph. But I've seen 130.
Bill Woods
912S Slingshot
From: "Joe Allman" <FISHERALLMAN@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Kolb-List: slingshot VNE
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Joe Allman" <FISHERALLMAN@EARTHLINK.NET>
Evening kolbers,
I'm a long time lurker looking for some slingshot specs.
Anyone have a ballpark VNE or VNO for a slingshot?
Thanks,
Joe
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "William Herren" <wmdherren@hotmail.com>
From: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Discovery Wings
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
DTV does carry it Lar. It's a channel well worth having. When I added
it to my programming package, it only required a minor change and
minimal extra cost.
Give them a call. You won't regret it (though your building will
suffer).
Peter.
Do not archive
Peter, don't worry about Lar's building - he lives in a trailer.
(and Vamousse is almost finished) Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Lar's Building |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
At 04:09 AM 4/22/03 +0000, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "William Herren" <wmdherren@hotmail.com>
>
>Peter, don't worry about Lar's building - he lives in a trailer.
>(and Vamousse is almost finished) Bill
I thought Vamousse was something he put on his hair???
Richard Pike
MKIII N420p (420ldPoops)
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:wing supports |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
Group:
Ive been in lurk mode for a while. Ive been working on my trailer when
not taking care of my 91year old Mom. Anyway, Ive got my trailer to the
point of needing fastening devices for main gear wheels. Also ,I want to
make some sort of wing cradles to support the wings in transit when they are
removed . I plan on using the wing attach points to secure the root end of
the wing. I also need to make a dolly to move my Firefly around. Any ideas?
If there is anything in the archives on these subjects I guess I dont
know how to bring them up .
Ed in Houston Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III pics ?? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Larry,
Check the PhotoShare maybe, and I think Lisa Turners web sight probably has
some nice photos of her Extra. You can find a link to her web sight at TNKs
web.
Denny Rowe
Mk-3, western PA
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Austin <joandlp@starband.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III pics ??
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Austin" <joandlp@starband.net>
>
> BlankHello Group,
> Anyone know of a site that has some good pics, inside and out, of a Mark
III
> Xtra? Thanks in advance,
>
> Larry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lar's Building |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Years ago, in my salad days, I used Chocolate Mousse. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lar's Building
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> At 04:09 AM 4/22/03 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "William Herren" <wmdherren@hotmail.com>
> >
> >Peter, don't worry about Lar's building - he lives in a trailer.
> >(and Vamousse is almost finished) Bill
>
> I thought Vamousse was something he put on his hair???
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420p (420ldPoops)
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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