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1. 01:08 AM - Re: copper plus brazing (Vincehallam@aol.com)
2. 04:44 AM - cya (Fackler, Ken)
3. 05:17 AM - Re: copper (Richard Pike)
4. 05:24 AM - Re: copper plus brazing (Richard Pike)
5. 05:33 AM - Re: Graphics (ronnie wehba)
6. 05:42 AM - copper (Jim Gerken)
7. 06:16 AM - Re: copper plus brazing (Bob Bean)
8. 06:19 AM - Re: copper (Richard Pike)
9. 06:38 AM - Re: Graphics (Timandjan@aol.com)
10. 06:52 AM - Re: Graphics (J.D. Stewart)
11. 07:03 AM - Re: copper (John Hauck)
12. 07:29 AM - Tube Seal (John Hauck)
13. 07:34 AM - Re: copper plus brazing (Larry Bourne)
14. 07:41 AM - Re: cya (Larry Bourne)
15. 09:01 AM - Re: seats (CaptainRon)
16. 09:08 AM - Re: Firestar wants to roll (CaptainRon)
17. 09:13 AM - Re: Gearbox (CaptainRon)
18. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: Zanzottera Gearbox (CaptainRon)
19. 09:31 AM - Re: Graphics (Bob N.)
20. 09:34 AM - Re: Graphics (CaptainRon)
21. 09:38 AM - Re: copper plus brazing (CaptainRon)
22. 09:38 AM - Re: seats (John Hauck)
23. 09:45 AM - Re: Firestar wants to roll (John Hauck)
24. 10:09 AM - Re: copper plus brazing (Cy Galley)
25. 10:40 AM - Mark 111 for sale (FRED2319@aol.com)
26. 10:40 AM - Mark 111 for sale (FRED2319@aol.com)
27. 11:01 AM - Re: Graphics (Peter Volum)
28. 12:38 PM - Re: Graphics (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
29. 03:23 PM - Re: Firestar wants to roll (Peter Volum)
30. 04:46 PM - Monument Valley (Dave Rains)
31. 05:06 PM - Re: Monument Valley (Martin Trusty)
32. 06:57 PM - Re: Graphics (Larry Bourne)
33. 07:17 PM - Re: Monument Valley (kuffel)
34. 07:21 PM - Re: wing supports (ZepRep251@aol.com)
35. 07:42 PM - Fw: Decals (Larry Bourne)
36. 07:50 PM - Re: Firestar wants to roll (CaptainRon)
37. 07:58 PM - Re: Fw: Decals (ronnie wehba)
38. 08:01 PM - Re: Graphics (possums)
39. 08:32 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 04/23/03 (Jcjbryant@cs.com)
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| Subject: | Re: copper plus brazing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com
Hi
Is brazing a bad idea for main frame steel joints
,I might find it easier than welding
Vnz
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
The forecast for SE Michigan says upper 50's, mostly sunny, and winds predicted
as light ALL day, not over 7mph. Work can go hang! Time for me to fly!
-Ken Fackler
Mark II / 503
Rochester MI
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Those radiator expansion tanks that they sell for over $100? Guess what
they are held together with? (I know that because I have taken them apart
and reconfigured them.) I have several soldered pipe fittings on my latest
582 radiator/heater valve rig, have used them before, they work fine, they
are sort of away from the engine and the rubber hoses soak up enough
vibration to protect them. If you can do good solder joints, don't worry.
But it is heavy.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 07:43 PM 4/23/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> The club plane is going well but I have not been as active in it's
>construction recently. In my absence the members have installed the
>radiator system. It is mounted lower than the engine but the fill is above
>the engine. They moved it up by soldering 1 1/2 copper tube together. Does
>anyone see a problem with this? I do not know how well the soldered joints
>will stand up to the vibration. Any ideas or comments?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: copper plus brazing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Think in terms of removing the AN bolts from your Kolb and replacing them
with brass ones from Lowes - scary huh? You would -as it were- recoil in
horror. Brazing fits into the same category. Brazing is absolutely,
positively unacceptable for any structural anything in aircraft. OK for
secondary, non load bearing structures like cup holders, gps mounts, relief
tubes, etc.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 04:07 AM 4/24/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com
>
>Hi
> Is brazing a bad idea for main frame steel joints
> ,I might find it easier than welding
> Vnz
>
>
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REFERENCES)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
go spend 30-40 dollars on Microsoft home publishing and do your own, its a
nice little program. I use it to make flyers, brochures and such for people
around here.I might just see what I can do???.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Graphics
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> I think this came up some time ago, but here it is
again..................graphics. I've been thinking (??) that it'd be way
cool to have either vinyl or mylar (which is best, anyway ??) stick-ons made
up with a custom "Vamoose" graphic for the side of the fuselage. Also, as I
said a couple of years ago - - - a dirt pawing, steam snorting "moose" on
the tail. Today, I started to implement the idea, and got a - rude ! ! ! -
awakening. Graphics lady I talked to on the phone was very pleasant, very
interested, and a real pleasure to talk to. She knew immediately what I had
in mind, and really seemed to like the idea.....................then popped
the bubble by quoting a starting price for the design process only, of
$800.00. I did say "starting price" and "design only" and I didn't stutter.
Then I'd take her graphics to a sign shop for another bite. Called a sign
shop she recommended, and they confirmed it all. Threw me for a loop, it
did, and I imagine you all can g!
> uess that there'll be no $1,000.00+ name tags on Vamoose. Do any of
you guys have any suggestions, or options ?? Any (cheap) artists in the
crowd ?? Sticker-shocked Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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04/24/2003 07:41:41 AM
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Gerken" <gerken@us.ibm.com>
>Time: 04:40:08 PM PST US
>From: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>Subject: Kolb-List: copper
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
> The club plane is going well but I have not been as active in it's
>construction recently. In my absence the members have installed the
>radiator system. It is mounted lower than the engine but the fill is above
>the engine. They moved it up by soldering 1 1/2 copper tube together.
Does
>anyone see a problem with this? I do not know how well the soldered joints
>will stand up to the vibration. Any ideas or comments?
This question raises a good point. In "Experimenter" magazine, one of the
popular articles follows aircraft construction and engine installs by a guy
named Whittier, I believe (could have that name wrong, may be best if I do
have it wrong). I don't know anything about Whittier, but he seems to be
some kind of expert and he takes good photos of his work. However, in a
couple issues back, when he is shown building up his cooling system
fittings from copper tube fittings, he does not include a hose retention
feature, such as a ring or barb. . His photos do not show any barb
features being added and I cannot find mention of them in the text. This
is a definite mistake in a system of heated and pressurized liquid such as
an engine cooling system. I believe Rotax also has a recommendation to
avoid household plumbing parts and also to always incorporate barb
fittings. Simply clamping a hose to a smooth tube (whatever the
material), does not ensure it will stay on when subjected to heating,
pressurization, creep of the rubber in the hose, and loosening of the
typical worm-drive hose clamp do to expansion/contraction cycles and
vibration.
Jim Gerken
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| Subject: | Re: copper plus brazing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Vince, take some gas welding instruction, EAA or local A&P . Buy a
lightweight gas outfit ,-I like the Smith airline. Practce on some scrap.
A nice cluster is a work of art. (Or hire Art) -BB do not archive
Vincehallam@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com
>
>Hi
> Is brazing a bad idea for main frame steel joints
> ,I might find it easier than welding
> Vnz
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Good point. However, there is something about the nature of copper pipe
that it seems to have an affinity for rubber. Clamp a rubber hose to it,
leave it for a few days, and you have to stick a flat screwdriver into the
interface to pry them apart, they seem to bond to each other, and after a
while, there will be little bits of rubber stick to the copper. Aluminum
tubes do not do that, I have used aluminum tubing before in my watercooled
plumbing and that bond never develops.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 07:41 AM 4/24/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Gerken" <gerken@us.ibm.com>
>
>
> >Time: 04:40:08 PM PST US
> >From: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
> >Subject: Kolb-List: copper
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> > The club plane is going well but I have not been as active in it's
> >construction recently. In my absence the members have installed the
> >radiator system. It is mounted lower than the engine but the fill is above
>
> >the engine. They moved it up by soldering 1 1/2 copper tube together.
>Does
> >anyone see a problem with this? I do not know how well the soldered joints
>
> >will stand up to the vibration. Any ideas or comments?
>
>
>This question raises a good point. In "Experimenter" magazine, one of the
>popular articles follows aircraft construction and engine installs by a guy
>named Whittier, I believe (could have that name wrong, may be best if I do
>have it wrong). I don't know anything about Whittier, but he seems to be
>some kind of expert and he takes good photos of his work. However, in a
>couple issues back, when he is shown building up his cooling system
>fittings from copper tube fittings, he does not include a hose retention
>feature, such as a ring or barb. . His photos do not show any barb
>features being added and I cannot find mention of them in the text. This
>is a definite mistake in a system of heated and pressurized liquid such as
>an engine cooling system. I believe Rotax also has a recommendation to
>avoid household plumbing parts and also to always incorporate barb
>fittings. Simply clamping a hose to a smooth tube (whatever the
>material), does not ensure it will stay on when subjected to heating,
>pressurization, creep of the rubber in the hose, and loosening of the
>typical worm-drive hose clamp do to expansion/contraction cycles and
>vibration.
>
>Jim Gerken
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
My wife is a graphic artist, awsom with the airbrush. She has done my
artwork with paint and a airbrush, I had my logo of a set of wings and a
heart done on my nosecone of the Firestar 2. I clear coated over it, 5 years
later, it still looks new. Everyone always asks where I had the sticker made,
They are suprised whan I tell them it's airbrushed.
Maybe you could find an artist in the area that could do this for you. Lots
of college artists that are great and would probably do this for a small fee.
Or how about those people in the malls, shows, etc. that airbrish on t-shirts.
Just an idea.
Tim
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" <jstewart@inebraska.com>
If you don't mind a Challenger pilot doing your graphics, e-mail Curt
Heggemeyer at curth@ncfcomm.com. He rents part of my office for his sign
business. His graphics are first-rate, and his prices very reasonable. He
does a lot of the graphics for the Challenger guys, and can do most anything
you can dream up.
J.D. Stewart
Internet Nebraska-Norfolk
http://www.inebraska.com
UltraFun AirSports
http://www.ultrafunairsports.com
Challenger Owners E-mail list and Website Administrator
http://challenger.inebraska.com
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> I think this came up some time ago, but here it is
> again..................graphics. I've been thinking (??) that
> it'd be way cool to have either vinyl or mylar (which is best,
> anyway ??) stick-ons made up with a custom "Vamoose" graphic for
> the side of the fuselage. Also, as I said a couple of years ago
> - - - a dirt pawing, steam snorting "moose" on the tail. Today,
> I started to implement the idea, and got a - rude ! ! ! -
> awakening. Graphics lady I talked to on the phone was very
> pleasant, very interested, and a real pleasure to talk to. She
> knew immediately what I had in mind, and really seemed to like
> the idea.....................then popped the bubble by quoting a
> starting price for the design process only, of $800.00. I did
> say "starting price" and "design only" and I didn't stutter.
> Then I'd take her graphics to a sign shop for another bite.
> Called a sign shop she recommended, and they confirmed it all.
> Threw me for a loop, it did, and I imagine you all can g!
> uess that there'll be no $1,000.00+ name tags on Vamoose. Do
> any of you guys have any suggestions, or options ?? Any (cheap)
> artists in the crowd ?? Sticker-shocked Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
I use 1" radiator hose and fittings on my 912S.
Takes a trip or two to the local down home auto
parts store to pick and choose the correct hose
fittings to get the right angles I need for the
job. I have a couple short straight runs that I
use .058" 6061 tubing. I do not barb and have had
good service from them. I do insure I have a
healthy over bite and cinch the connection down
good with SS hose clamps.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Morning Gang:
Tube seal serves several functions in 4130 tubing:
1) Prevents internal rusting.
2) Seals pin holes and other small places that
water could enter tubing.
3) In most cases will tell you if you have a
crack.
All three are important to me. I have been
treating my fuselages from Ultrastar to MK III.
Periodically I will get the tell tale black streak
of leaking tube seal. Don't like to find those
places, but better than the alternative of not
finding it.
Got the new upper vertical stabilizer built with
cleco's. Primed the tail post and started popping
rivets. Got the bottom and rear tubes revetted
back on the tail post. Was working under two 500W
halogen lights (was cool down in the Mole Hole
yesterday). Noticed a streak of fresh tube seal.
Thought it had run out of a rivet hole, but on
closer examination discovered it was a crack in
the 4130 stub for the bottom vert stab tube. In
fact it was leaking a tiny bit of tube seal from
both sides of the tube.
I cleaned off the fresh primer and cleaned up the
painted surfaces back 3 or 4 inches from the
cracks. Took my piece over to my buddy's and bead
blasted the piece for TIG welding. Before the
evening was over discovered cracks on both sides
and top of the bottom tube stub. Also crack in
the right hand weld where the tail boom ring is
welded to the same stub. Dan welded up all the
cracks and two triangular gussets in the lower
intersection of the tailpost and stub.
Glad I found the cracks before I hit the road for
Monument Valley. Will be out of town until
Monday, so that cuts my prep time down to two
weeks and a couple days. Always happens like this
just before a big flight.
If I have everything I need to do the covering and
painting, I will be able to get it covered and
painted in about a week. Can only do so many
coating per day..........
I completely rebuilt the new vertical stabilizer
with a .058 leading edge. Also stuck a 12" .058
sleeve (cut 45 degrees both ends) inside the
midpoint where the horizontal brace attaches.
I lot of fair wear and tear got to the vertical
stab during the last 11 years. Also the period of
time I had displaced the leading edge probably
contributed to its failure. That's part of
"experimental" though. I don't know until I try
it.....
Times a wasting,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: copper plus brazing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I do a lot of silver soldering (silver brazing) in my work, and it's very
strong - far stronger than regular solder................but it's not a
weld. I don't think I would trust it for structural components. I use it
mostly for joining tubing, but those are overlapping joints. They are
stronger than the *copper* tubing by far, hold steel tubing just fine, and
are vibration proof, but still................it's not a weld.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <Vincehallam@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: copper plus brazing
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com
>
> Hi
> Is brazing a bad idea for main frame steel joints
> ,I might find it easier than welding
> Vnz
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Go Gittum, Ken. Have fun. I've taken the day off, too, so's to work on
Vamoose' trailer. I want to bring the plane home today or tomorrow, so I
can work on it easier. It's in Yucca Valley now - 45 minutes each way.
What a pain. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: cya
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
>
> The forecast for SE Michigan says upper 50's, mostly sunny, and winds
predicted as light ALL day, not over 7mph. Work can go hang! Time for me to
fly!
>
> -Ken Fackler
> Mark II / 503
> Rochester MI
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
:-)
Enlighten me/us. I really don't know what you two are
alluding to.
Kevlar seats????
==========================
> I thought about using these kevlar things - but
> they cost too much and wouldn't fit in a single
seater.
Possum/Gang:
If I had one of those seats in my MK III I would
never get out of it. Probably have a hard time
staying awake on long flight too.
john h
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Southern Arizona
http://search.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar wants to roll |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
My guess is: a wing incidence problem!
Either lower the angle of incidence on the right
increase the left or split the diffrence in the
middle. Presuming there is no warp in the wings and
nothing else is glaringly unusual in the rigging. when
he folds the wings go look at the hole position in the
tabs at the wing root. See if you can see a diffrence
from one side to the other.
Seems like an easy problem to figure out. The question
is if you have enough tab to drill another hole to
change the angles.
Let me know what you find out. Curious minds wanna
know.
===============================
When stalling, the right wing drops sharply. It seems
to want to go
into
a spin. The drop is controllable with the rudder, but
he says it just
"doesn't feel quite right" compared to the Ultrastar.
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Southern Arizona
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
that link aint linking. You got another one?
I would also want to know just how involved it is to
convert a BVW to aviation use, with one of those
drives?
======================================
>
> Jim, I had to provide them with a 582 serial no. to
> get a Rotax C gearbox.
> Also a Zanzorotta gearbox has been used with the BMW
> on a Liberty trike for over 100 hours. see
> http://community.webtv/rlwalden/libertyBMW
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zanzottera Gearbox |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
Negatory,, aint going there neither!!!!! :-)
do not archive
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> correction
> http://community-2.webtv/rlwalden/libertyBMW
> Hans
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
yeah, BigLar. I tried to get a nice decal made for the FireFlys. Had a
few on list say yes, BUTT then I went about same route as you did--with
about same results. Even if you/we get a fellow lister for the design,
then getting it made is another problem. Someone on this list(?) or
Fly-Ul has a shop that makes decals---I think. Gotta have the artwork
first. If it was stained glass i could do it, but it's kinda heavy!
Bob N.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
Do any of
you guys have any suggestions, or options ?? Any
(cheap) artists in
the crowd ?? Sticker-shocked
Lar.================
How about a Car Painting shop. ? Maybe worth calling
around.
No wonder she was nice. 800 bucks buys a lot of
nicesness in this part of the world.
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| Subject: | Re: copper plus brazing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
Yes, its very weak in comparison to welding.
Brazing is akin to gluing two or more pieces of metal,
where welding is akin to making the two into a one.
Never brazen anything stractural.
================================
> Hi
> Is brazing a bad idea for main frame steel joints
>
> ,I might find it easier than welding
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Enlighten me/us. I really don't know what you two are
> alluding to.
> Kevlar seats???? Ron
Ron/Gang:
The url for the kevlar racing seats was in
Possum's email. I don't have it anymore, but
these seats are extremely expensive, like 2,500.00
more or less, depending on what little extra
goodies you want with them.
I fly with two old Ultrastar seats with Azusa seat
covers (these came with the Ultrastar kits back in
the "old" days, plus that ever important piece of
temperfoam that can be purchased from Wicks for 15
or 16 bucks. I might add I only use one small
piece in the bottom of each seat. Mine works just
fine, don't need any kevlar seats. :-)
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar wants to roll |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Seems like an easy problem to figure out. The question
> is if you have enough tab to drill another hole to
> change the angles. Ron
Ron/Gang:
Unless it was a gross amount of difference, would
not be prudent to go drilling new holes in the
main spar attach points. Probably will only take
a tiny amount of adjustment to bring things back
into balance.
Someone has already mentioned adjusting the
universals on the aft attach points. This can be
done by rotating one or both 180 deg. It can also
be used with thin washers and a little grinding
here and there on the drag strut fitting.
Steven Green came up with a unique way of
adjusting differences in wing incidence. In fact,
he sent me one. I'll let him tell you how his
system works or you can go to the archives and do
a search for his post of a year or so ago.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: copper plus brazing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Brazing 4130 is a bad idea. If you get the joint just a little too hot, the
joint will crack upon cooling. FAA doesn't permit structural brazing.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: <Vincehallam@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: copper plus brazing
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Vincehallam@aol.com
>
> Hi
> Is brazing a bad idea for main frame steel joints
> ,I might find it easier than welding
> Vnz
>
>
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| Subject: | Mark 111 for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FRED2319@aol.com
I just completed a real through rebuild The plane looks brand new have flow
it about 4 hrs. it flies real nice. It is in an open hanger on a private
strip. It has 582, B box. starter. Injector. hyd. brakes. 3 blade CGS prop. I
am losing hanger. and I had a heart attack. and IM 70 yo; Write or call Fred
Brown 419 694 4315 in northern Ohio.
$14/000 will trade for most anything except wife's
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| Subject: | Mark 111 for sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FRED2319@aol.com
I just completed a real through rebuild The plane looks brand new have flow
it about 4 hrs. it flies real nice. It is in an open hanger on a private
strip. It has 582, B box. starter. Injector. hyd. brakes. 3 blade CGS prop. I
am losing hanger. and I had a heart attack. and IM 70 yo; Write or call Fred
Brown 419 694 4315 in northern Ohio.
$14/000 will trade for most anything except wife's
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
Lar, I paid about $120.00 total for BOTH of the vinyl decals I used on
mine, and that included some artwork on their part (though not all. I
have them the basics and they cleaned them up). Look around further and
you will find better prices out there. Better still, do your own
graphics and it will cost you even less.
If you don't find anybody locally with reasonable prices, let me know
and I'll give you the name of the guy I used, though I'm sure that you
will fond somebody reasonable in your part of the world (or on the
internet) if you just look a bit harder.
Good luck,
Peter
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bourne
Subject: Kolb-List: Graphics
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I think this came up some time ago, but here it is
again..................graphics. I've been thinking (??) that it'd be
way cool to have either vinyl or mylar (which is best, anyway ??)
stick-ons made up with a custom "Vamoose" graphic for the side of the
fuselage. Also, as I said a couple of years ago - - - a dirt pawing,
steam snorting "moose" on the tail. Today, I started to implement the
idea, and got a - rude ! ! ! - awakening. Graphics lady I talked to on
the phone was very pleasant, very interested, and a real pleasure to
talk to. She knew immediately what I had in mind, and really seemed to
like the idea.....................then popped the bubble by quoting a
starting price for the design process only, of $800.00. I did say
"starting price" and "design only" and I didn't stutter. Then I'd take
her graphics to a sign shop for another bite. Called a sign shop she
recommended, and they confirmed it all. Threw me for a loop, it did,
and I imagine you all can g!
uess that there'll be no $1,000.00+ name tags on Vamoose. Do any of
you guys have any suggestions, or options ?? Any (cheap) artists in the
crowd ?? Sticker-shocked Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Big Lar wrote:
<< I've been thinking that it'd be way cool to have either vinyl or mylar
(which is best, anyway ??) stick-ons made up with a custom "Vamoose" graphic
for the side of the fuselage. ... $800.00. Do any of you guys have any
suggestions, or options ?? Sticker-shocked Lar.>>
Larry -
Try Kinko's. They do custom vinyl stick-on graphics, in sizes up to 27
inches by however long you want. Either single- or multi-color. Cost is
$10 per square foot for single color; $25 per sq ft for multi-colors.
What's required is you bring in your scanned picture on a floppy. They're
able to reproduce details down to lines as skinny as eighth-inch. All you
need is to find an artist to draw your flame-snortin' moose!
I did this for my planes's tail graphic, which is an old-fashioned fat-tired
bike and the words "Magic Bike." Size was approx 10x12 inches, one color,
and I paid $20 for two copies.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, Verner, Powerfin-72
Cedar Crest, NM
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| Subject: | Firestar wants to roll |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
To all who have responded with comments and suggestions for correcting
the left roll tendency of Bob's Firestar... Thank you!!
I have printed and faxed all your replies to him. Needless to say he's
astounded at the diligence and eagerness to help of this group. It
definitely is a priceless resource. I believe he may now be
reconsidering the merits of computer ownership.
I have told him that more than one of you have indicated a desire to
know what the outcome is of his investigation and ultimate solution to
the problem. When I get his feedback, I will post it.
John (H): I searched the archives unsuccessfully for the post detailing
Steven Green's unique wing incidence adjustment method.
Again, my (and Bob's) thanks to all of you.
Peter Volum
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar wants to roll
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Seems like an easy problem to figure out. The question
> is if you have enough tab to drill another hole to
> change the angles. Ron
Ron/Gang:
Unless it was a gross amount of difference, would
not be prudent to go drilling new holes in the
main spar attach points. Probably will only take
a tiny amount of adjustment to bring things back
into balance.
Someone has already mentioned adjusting the
universals on the aft attach points. This can be
done by rotating one or both 180 deg. It can also
be used with thin washers and a little grinding
here and there on the drag strut fitting.
Steven Green came up with a unique way of
adjusting differences in wing incidence. In fact,
he sent me one. I'll let him tell you how his
system works or you can go to the archives and do
a search for his post of a year or so ago.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
Finally scarred the FAA examiner enough to issue me a private pilot's
license and am looking forward to monument Valley. Am taking Will, am
picking up Dennis Kirby, (and more than likely big Lar the way things are
going with Vamoose) and flying my C-175. Might be nice to have a faster
plane to go after spares, beer, cigars, etc. Looking forward to meeting
folks I feel I've known for a long time.
Dave Rains
El Paso
republic of Texas
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Martin Trusty" <martintr@earthlink.net>
Hi Dave:
Lived in El Paso for 6 years, taught school there. Lived on Edmonton Ave,
in the back yard of Andress High School. Are you familuar with this area?
> [Original Message]
> From: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
> To: Kolb List <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/24/03 5:46:04 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
>
> Finally scarred the FAA examiner enough to issue me a private pilot's
> license and am looking forward to monument Valley. Am taking Will, am
> picking up Dennis Kirby, (and more than likely big Lar the way things are
> going with Vamoose) and flying my C-175. Might be nice to have a faster
> plane to go after spares, beer, cigars, etc. Looking forward to meeting
> folks I feel I've known for a long time.
> Dave Rains
> El Paso
> republic of Texas
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Heavy don't really matter, Bob. Me being me, I'd break it 'fore it ever got
on the plane. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Graphics
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
>
> yeah, BigLar. I tried to get a nice decal made for the FireFlys. Had a
> few on list say yes, BUTT then I went about same route as you did--with
> about same results. Even if you/we get a fellow lister for the design,
> then getting it made is another problem. Someone on this list(?) or
> Fly-Ul has a shop that makes decals---I think. Gotta have the artwork
> first. If it was stained glass i could do it, but it's kinda heavy!
>
> Bob N.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
<<Dave Rains: Might be nice to have a faster plane to go after spares,
beer, cigars, etc.>>
This might be a real possibility. My reservation confirmation came with
a brochure which says the restaurant serves non-alcoholic beer and
wine. What is the local situation, prohibition, bring your own, what?
If alcohol isn't forbidden but not locally available I can load up the
Prospector with 800 lbs more or less of vital supplies.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:wing supports |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ZepRep251@aol.com
Ed,I installed flush mounted fold down rings in the floor, one ahead of the
tire and two behind about one foot apart.Hook a 1''wide racheting hold down
strap to the front ring thread it over the tire and thru the back ring and
hook the ratchet end to the last ring.I've hauled it from Ohio to Fla. and
back 4 times.It stays put. G.Aman
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
This isn't quite what I had in mind, but it's hilarious...............and has me
re-thinking the idea. Maybe a little bit of editing, and more detail, and something
like this would be great. Thanks George. I don't want to ignore
anyone, but the response on List has been great, and off-List has been huge.
I've got a lot of thinking to do now, but I'm most certainly not an artist,
so I need help with the work-up. Thanks everybody. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: G. T. Alexander, Jr.
Subject: Re: Decals
Larry:
Try this as a start/idea for the graphics.
George
http://www.speedysigns.com/decals/ANIMALS_General_-_Other_Animals_Moose_Cartoon,_facing_left.asp
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar wants to roll |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
All depends where he has the originals drilled. If i
remember right the plans call for is 7/8 & 5/16
clearance for adequate strength. In other words the
spar will fail before the tab gets ripped apart by
loading. Just by eye balling aint measured yet, there
is enough meat to do that. So another hole if he has
enough tab is not a problem. In relation to the
universal joint to change the angle of incidence, I
don't see how it can be done with the factory supplied
U joint ??? (they are all pre drilled and pre made.
It may be different on the M3X) But I will do a search
in the archives as you got me curious.
=================================================
ces in wing incidence. In fact,
> he sent me one. I'll let him tell you how his
> system works or you can go to the archives and do
> a search for his post of a year or so ago.
>
> Take care,
>
> john h
>
>
>
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Southern Arizona
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BAYES_01, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,
REFERENCES)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
See what happens when you ask larry!!!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Fw: Decals
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> This isn't quite what I had in mind, but it's hilarious...............and
has me re-thinking the idea. Maybe a little bit of editing, and more
detail, and something like this would be great. Thanks George. I
don't want to ignore anyone, but the response on List has been great, and
off-List has been huge. I've got a lot of thinking to do now, but I'm
most certainly not an artist, so I need help with the work-up. Thanks
everybody. Lar. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: G. T. Alexander, Jr.
> To: Larry Bourne
> Subject: Re: Decals
>
>
> Larry:
> Try this as a start/idea for the graphics.
> George
>
>
http://www.speedysigns.com/decals/ANIMALS_General_-_Other_Animals_Moose_Cart
oon,_facing_left.asp
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 06:57 PM 4/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
You know you can put "Graphics" on the boom tube fairly cheap.
I know this kinda sounds stupid at first - But I used to have
"National Geographic" - in big black letters - on my
old Firestar's boom tube - just to keep the shrimp boats and
others from calling the FAA every time we landed on sand bars
and other questionable activities. Read that "Just to keep me
out of trouble" and it's probably illegal, immoral or something.
But you would be surprised how little things like that make people
go from being upset that your having so much fun - to being
really interested in what you are doing.
"Just stand right here next to the plane and we'll see if we can get
you in my next installment." I always got cameras strapped to my head
and in the plane anyway.
I don't try to pretend to be Adriel Heisey or anybody like that and
I'm pretty sure that National Geographic is mostly "Free Lance" anyway.
In fact I've got a series of shots of the State Patrol posing sitting
in my plane after I had run out of gas on the way back from Fla. and
had to land in this guys back yard. I'm sure they were
just hoping that their folks would see them in paper - if it got published
(it didn't - but??).
Heck who knows - I have been in the paper a few times - not the times
I would have wanted.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 19 Msgs - 04/23/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jcjbryant@cs.com
In a message dated 4/24/03 1:14:34 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
kolb-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
<< Do any of you guys have any suggestions, or
options ?? Any (cheap) artists in the crowd ??
Sticker-shocked
Lar. >>
Larry if you can find a cartoon from a clip art catalog and choose a fancy
font from a sign shop's inventory, you should be able to get it done in the
$50 to $100 range. If not get in touch off line - jcjbryant@cs.com.
John - a lookie loo - Denver
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