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1. 03:40 AM - El Paso (GeoR38@aol.com)
2. 04:21 AM - Re: More BRS Questions (John Cooley)
3. 04:31 AM - Re: N616DR ()
4. 04:37 AM - aileron counter balance set up ()
5. 04:41 AM - 4-stroke engine for Firestar (Thom & Judith Riddle)
6. 05:06 AM - Re: aileron counter balance set up (John Cooley)
7. 05:12 AM - Re: El Paso (Martin Trusty)
8. 05:15 AM - Re: 4-stroke engine for Firestar (John Cooley)
9. 05:16 AM - Re: 4-stroke engine for Firestar (dama)
10. 07:46 AM - Mark-3/912 Progress report (H MITCHELL)
11. 08:06 AM - Re: Mark-3/912 Progress report (possums)
12. 10:07 AM - Grand Canyon (Larry Bourne)
13. 10:32 AM - Re: Grand Canyon (ronnie wehba)
14. 12:03 PM - Re: El Paso (Richard Pike)
15. 02:38 PM - Canyon de Chelly (Larry Bourne)
16. 02:53 PM - Re: Canyon de Chelly (John Williamson)
17. 03:11 PM - Re: Grand Canyon (ronnie wehba)
18. 03:19 PM - Re: Canyon de Chelly (Cy Galley)
19. 06:28 PM - Re: Grand Canyon (Don Gherardini)
20. 07:06 PM - Re: Grand Canyon ()
21. 07:11 PM - Re: aileron counter balance set up ()
22. 07:27 PM - Re: N616DR ()
23. 11:39 PM - [ Larry Gitt ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
24. 11:41 PM - [ Ronnie Wehba ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 4/24/03 8:07:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
martintr@earthlink.net writes:
> Hi Dave:
> Lived in El Paso for 6 years, taught school there. Lived on Edmonton Ave,
> in the back yard of Andress High School. Are you familuar with this area?
>
>
Hi Martintr....
I lived in El Paso too, for 3 years in 77-80 working on a plant for GM
there....I wonder how many others on the list may have spent extended time
there....I had my family but lived on the West side of Franklin Mountain.
Learned how to glide there...in Las Cruzes.
George Randolph
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| Subject: | Re: More BRS Questions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Morning Terry/Gang,
I wanted my handle to be easy to get to and located in a place easy to find
if I was in a panic. It is mounted between the throttle lever and the front
corner of seat so it is right by my left leg while I'm seated. I mounted it
to the small diagonal brace that angles down toward the seat base with a "U"
shaped clamp. I didn't want it sticking way up in the air on the horizontal
tubing that makes the top of the side panel. Another plus is that it is
right next to the kill switch. It is recommended that you kill the engine
before deployment of the chute. I will send you a picture off list.
Later,
John Cooley
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry Davis" <davistcs@eoni.com>
>
> Thanks for all the responses on the overheating question. So much for
my memory (or lack thereof). Guess it doesn't happen with a 503. The
question now is where to put "the handle". I had thought to mount it over
my left shoulder, (short and out of the way) but after Tim mentioned
putting it by the throttle I thought that sounded alot more panic proof.
How tight can the housing be bent? Seems like if it had a tight curve it
would be harder to pull, but I guess if you had to pull it you would
probably really give it a yank and never notice the effort. Any ideas would
be welcome. Terry Davis, FSII, Eastern Oregon
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: N616DR
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Quite an accomplishment...wonder what the record low weight is?
I was actually hoping to keep it below 450, but my full enclosure, ELT, and
the heavy battery ruined that effort. Remember, I do not have a ballistic
chute, so that gives me a little weight advantage to begin with. I'll
probably add one down the road someday.
> Are you sure you didn't leave something out? What's that big bag of
> parts on your workbench?
The only thing left out was the N-numbers and the 8/32 screws and nuts that
will hold the aileron counter balance weights in place. We even remembered
to slide the weights in place before weighing her. Oh yeah, also the logbook
and a couple decals. :-)
Denny
-BB do not archive
>
> rowedl@highstream.net wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
> >
> >Kolbers,
> >Weighed my Mk-3 today for the weight and balance sheet, she came in at a
lean mean 475lbs. Not a lot of fat on her. Took a lot of photos, as soon as
I can I'll get em to the PhotoShare.
> >
> >Denny Rowe
> >Mk-3 2si 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | aileron counter balance set up |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Kolbers,
Can anyone tell me the accepted procedure for determining the balance point of
the ailerons on a Mk-3? Seems like the aileron tie rods should be disconnected
while determining the balance point.
I probably should have checked the archives on this, but I gotta leave the house
right now.
See Ya,
Denny
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| Subject: | 4-stroke engine for Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom & Judith Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
I am new to the Kolb-list and am very interested in the Firestar. I would prefer
a 4-stroke engine. Two questions: Has anyone installed a 4-stroke engine in
a Firestar? What are the maximum installed weight and hp for a Firestar. I asked
TNK but have not received an answer.
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: aileron counter balance set up |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Morning Denny,
The aileron torque tubes should be disconnected while balancing the
ailerons. You then slide the weighted rods in or out until the aileron is
balanced or inline with the wing. Don't remember or know if it matters, but
I think I would raise the tail so that the wing is at the angle of attack
that it would be in for normal flying to do the balancing.
Later,
John Cooley
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Kolbers,
> Can anyone tell me the accepted procedure for determining the balance
point of the ailerons on a Mk-3? Seems like the aileron tie rods should be
disconnected while determining the balance point.
> I probably should have checked the archives on this, but I gotta leave the
house right now.
> See Ya,
> Denny
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Martin Trusty" <martintr@earthlink.net>
Hi Dave & George
While in El Paso, I had an interesting job before having to leave for other
destinations. Worked the White Sands and Mc Gregor Range missile evaluation
teams. We sure left a lot of dead soldiers standing in the desert there
(expended Booster remains). My scarest fears came when I was alone and
found out I was being tracked by a mountain Lion (had several names). It is
amazing how fear can get you back into the safety of your vehicle.
Don't Archive:
> [Original Message]
> From: <GeoR38@aol.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/27/03 4:40:08 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: El Paso
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 4/24/03 8:07:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> martintr@earthlink.net writes:
>
> > Hi Dave:
> > Lived in El Paso for 6 years, taught school there. Lived on Edmonton
Ave,
> > in the back yard of Andress High School. Are you familuar with this
area?
> >
> >
>
> Hi Martintr....
> I lived in El Paso too, for 3 years in 77-80 working on a plant for GM
> there....I wonder how many others on the list may have spent extended
time
> there....I had my family but lived on the West side of Franklin Mountain.
> Learned how to glide there...in Las Cruzes.
> George Randolph
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 4-stroke engine for Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hi Thom,
Welcome to the Kolb list. Great bunch of folks are on this list. Kolb has
always recommended that the 52 hp Rotax 503 was the biggest engine to put on
the Firestar. I don't recall anyone on this list that has a four stroke on a
Firestar. Not sure what kind of four stokes are available that would be
within the 503 weight range. The HKS 60 hp four stroke would be a nice
engine to have from what I have seen. They are about equal to the 503
performance wise. I don't know what it weights, but I'm sure it's several
pounds heavier than a Rotax 503. Maybe someone else on the list can come
through for you.
Later,
John Cooley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom & Judith Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: 4-stroke engine for Firestar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom & Judith Riddle"
<jtriddle@adelphia.net>
>
> I am new to the Kolb-list and am very interested in the Firestar. I would
prefer a 4-stroke engine. Two questions: Has anyone installed a 4-stroke
engine in a Firestar? What are the maximum installed weight and hp for a
Firestar. I asked TNK but have not received an answer.
>
> Thom in Buffalo
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 4-stroke engine for Firestar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
I belive that they are all a bit heavy. And, with the FS being a tail heavy
design (at least for the lighter pilots), this is an issue. The HKS is
adverised at 98 lbs which may be within 10lbs of a 503 but I am not sure,
Good luck with your research.
Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom & Judith Riddle" <jtriddle@adelphia.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: 4-stroke engine for Firestar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom & Judith Riddle"
<jtriddle@adelphia.net>
>
> I am new to the Kolb-list and am very interested in the Firestar. I would
prefer a 4-stroke engine. Two questions: Has anyone installed a 4-stroke
engine in a Firestar? What are the maximum installed weight and hp for a
Firestar. I asked TNK but have not received an answer.
>
> Thom in Buffalo
>
>
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| Subject: | Mark-3/912 Progress report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" <mitchmnd@msn.com>
Since good 'ole Geo38 seems to be supporting the list almost single handed it's
about time some of the rest of us pitch in so here goes....
My FireFly is such a joy to fly and the weather has been so great that it's hard
to settle down and finish my Mk 3 but now I'm back on that track.
The final design of my wing gap for the Mk-3 has had me stalled for way too long.
The main problem is that the original design does not lend itself to a built-in
BRS softpack.
The first challenge was to install the platform where the chute will sit. Mine
is mounted at the middle of the forward side of the 1 x 1 cross-tube and supported
by an aluminum brace attached to the flap handle bracket. The rocket launch
tube is mounted on the back side of the cross-tube adjacent to the chute. Keeping
the chute close to the launch tube simplifies the design of the trap door
used to allow the rocket, canopy and static line to freely exit the airframe.
This arrangement uses up most of the space occupied by the framework of the original
design and requires an alternative support structure. My plan is to use
a permanent gap seal which stays in place when the wings are folded. One of the
list contributors has a great design, with photos, on his home site. I left
my printed copy at the hangar but will provide his name if anyone is interested.
If I could continue to resist the temptation to fly my FireFly instead of working
on the Mk-3 it could be done in a few days. What a great problem to have ;)
More Later,
Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL, FireFly SN 007, 147 Hrs, Mk-3/912 in the works.
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| Subject: | Re: Mark-3/912 Progress report |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
Resistance is futile.
The windshield's coming off today.
http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USGA0097?x=16&whatprefs=&y=4
>If I could continue to resist the temptation to fly my FireFly instead of
>working on the Mk-3 it could be done in a few days. What a great problem
>to have ;)
>
>More Later,
>
>Duane the plane, Tallahassee, FL, FireFly SN 007, 147 Hrs, Mk-3/912 in the
>works.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
On vacation last year, I only went about 25 miles up Monument Valley, from Kayenta,
AZ., (I was running out of time) so didn't want to build a page on just that.
Sooooo...............last night, into the wee hours - just for you guys
- I made a page of my boat ride up the beginning of the Grand Canyon. I added
3 pics of Monument Valley at the end. I just now finished adding the links,
(ohhhh, my aching head - they keep changing the software) so, here's what you
guys who don't come on the Monument Valley trip will be missing. I'll do more
later on Canyon de Chelly, etc. Just click on the link below..............................
Fuzzy-eyed Lar.
http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/startofthegrandcanyon.html
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Canyon |
BAYES_20, CLICK_BELOW, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,
QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
they are sure purty pictures thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Grand Canyon
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> On vacation last year, I only went about 25 miles up Monument Valley, from
Kayenta, AZ., (I was running out of time) so didn't want to build a page on
just that. Sooooo...............last night, into the wee hours - just for
you guys - I made a page of my boat ride up the beginning of the Grand
Canyon. I added 3 pics of Monument Valley at the end. I just now finished
adding the links, (ohhhh, my aching head - they keep changing the software)
so, here's what you guys who don't come on the Monument Valley trip will be
missing. I'll do more later on Canyon de Chelly, etc. Just click on
the link below.............................. Fuzzy-eyed Lar.
>
>
http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/startofthegrandcanyon.html
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Did they not allow you to carry a weapon?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Do Not Archive
At 07:10 AM 4/27/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Martin Trusty" <martintr@earthlink.net>
>
>Hi Dave & George
>While in El Paso, I had an interesting job before having to leave for other
>destinations. Worked the White Sands and Mc Gregor Range missile evaluation
>teams. We sure left a lot of dead soldiers standing in the desert there
>(expended Booster remains). My scarest fears came when I was alone and
>found out I was being tracked by a mountain Lion (had several names). It is
>amazing how fear can get you back into the safety of your vehicle.
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| Subject: | Canyon de Chelly |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I guess when you're on a roll....................... Last night I stayed
up late, building the Grand Canyon page, and finished it this morning. Felt
too lazy to go out and do anything productive, so went ahead with the Canyon de
Chelly page, as well. This is only a moderate drive, or flight from Monument
Valley, so for those planning on the trip next month, this should be on your
"must do" list. Hope you enjoy it................just click on the link below.
GoGittum Lar. Do not Archive.
http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/dechelly.html
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: Canyon de Chelly |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@attbi.com>
Thanks for sharing those great pictures.
I just hope mine turn out half as good as yours on the upcoming trip.
Drawing course lines on the sectionals today.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 257 hours
http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Canyon |
BAYES_01, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24, REFERENCES)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
anyone know the redline "rpm" on a cuyuna ULII-02, thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Canyon de Chelly |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
So what is the Grand Canyon URL. The Chelly pictures were great after I
learned to click on them to see the details.
Cy Galley - Bellanca Champion Club
Newsletter Editor & EAA TC
www.bellanca-championclub.com
Actively supporting Aeroncas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Canyon de Chelly
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> I guess when you're on a roll....................... Last night I
stayed up late, building the Grand Canyon page, and finished it this
morning. Felt too lazy to go out and do anything productive, so went ahead
with the Canyon de Chelly page, as well. This is only a moderate drive, or
flight from Monument Valley, so for those planning on the trip next month,
this should be on your "must do" list. Hope you enjoy
it................just click on the link below. GoGittum Lar.
Do not Archive.
>
>
http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/dechelly.html
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Canyon |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
6500 rpms Ronnie....according to ZDE....some like to turn em 6700 which
Roger said is ok...but maybe a little tight.
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Canyon |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
35 hp at 6250 is what the factory says, it'll probably handle 6500 OK put
why push it.
Denny rowe
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From: ronnie wehba <rwehba@wtxs.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Grand Canyon
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
> anyone know the redline "rpm" on a cuyuna ULII-02, thanks
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: aileron counter balance set up |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
John,
Thanks a bunch!, thats pretty much what I figured. I am gonna machine a nice
round nose on em, and maybe drill a backside center hole to take a little
weight out, that should allow me to use pop rivets instead of my 8/32 bolts
to attach the weights.
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: John Cooley <johnc@datasync.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: aileron counter balance set up
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
>
> Morning Denny,
>
> The aileron torque tubes should be disconnected while balancing the
> ailerons. You then slide the weighted rods in or out until the aileron is
> balanced or inline with the wing. Don't remember or know if it matters,
but
> I think I would raise the tail so that the wing is at the angle of attack
> that it would be in for normal flying to do the balancing.
>
> Later,
> John Cooley
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
> >
> > Kolbers,
> > Can anyone tell me the accepted procedure for determining the balance
> point of the ailerons on a Mk-3? Seems like the aileron tie rods should
be
> disconnected while determining the balance point.
> > I probably should have checked the archives on this, but I gotta leave
the
> house right now.
> > See Ya,
> > Denny
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <FIXERJONES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: N616DR
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: FIXERJONES@aol.com
>
> wow i want to hear how that 690l70 does? it looks like a really good setup
> do not arcive
>
> I'll surely keep the list posted on our progress. Waiting to hear from the
FSDO inspector, I should be ready when he is, mostly just a matter of
getting my paperwork sorted and organized now.
Denny
do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | [ Larry Gitt ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Larry Gitt <gittj@earthlink.net>
Subject: Kolbra First Flight
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/gittj@earthlink.net.04.27.2003/index.html
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| Subject: | [ Ronnie Wehba ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Ronnie Wehba <rwehba@wtxs.net>
Subject: Ultrastar
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/rwehba@wtxs.net.04.27.2003/index.html
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