Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:11 AM - Re: Mk-3 rudder stops? The continuing saga (Airgriff2@aol.com)
2. 05:08 AM - Re: Sectionals (Peter Volum)
3. 05:26 AM - Re: Sectionals (John Hauck)
4. 05:33 AM - Re: Sectionals (Andrew Gassmann)
5. 05:48 AM - Experimentals and Capitalism (Ed Steuber)
6. 06:18 AM - Re: Experimentals and Capitalism (Timandjan@aol.com)
7. 07:47 AM - Re: MV (CaptainRon)
8. 07:54 AM - Re: Sectionals (CaptainRon)
9. 08:05 AM - Experimental Restrictions (John Hauck)
10. 08:06 AM - Re: Experimentals and Capitalism (CaptainRon)
11. 08:17 AM - Re: Experimental Restrictions (CaptainRon)
12. 08:27 AM - Re: Sectionals (John Williamson)
13. 08:27 AM - Re: Experimentals and Capitalism (kuffel)
14. 08:33 AM - Web Site (Larry Bourne)
15. 09:01 AM - Re: Web Site (John Hauck)
16. 10:00 AM - Re: Web Site (Kirk Smith)
17. 11:09 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 05/01/03 (boyd young)
18. 03:49 PM - Re: NOT AGAIN!!! HVLP VS. PRESSURE POT (Gary robert voigt)
19. 03:54 PM - Rotax 912 (NBD)
20. 04:03 PM - Re: NOT AGAIN!!! HVLP VS. PRESSURE POT (John Hauck)
21. 04:19 PM - Re: Monument Valley & Essential Fluids (Don Gherardini)
22. 06:02 PM - Re: Victor 1+ - First Short Cross Country (Don Gherardini)
23. 06:04 PM - Re: Monument Valley & Essential Fluids (Bob Bean)
24. 07:13 PM - Re: Experimentals and Capitalism (Cy Galley)
25. 07:16 PM - Re: Poly Tone vs. Aerothane (Ian Heritch)
26. 07:24 PM - Aerothane and Polytone (John Hauck)
27. 07:34 PM - Aerothane and Polytone (John Hauck)
28. 07:37 PM - Re: Aerothane and Polytone (John Hauck)
29. 08:18 PM - Re: Experimental and Capitalism (jerb)
30. 09:48 PM - Re: Aerothane and Polytone (Don Gherardini)
31. 10:20 PM - Re: Web Site (Larry Bourne)
32. 11:06 PM - Re: Experimental and Capitalism (kuffel)
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| Subject: | Re: Mk-3 rudder stops? The continuing saga |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
>
> >> Doubt very seriously they were in the kits back
>> then. They weren't in mine in Feb 1991, SN:
>> M3-011.
>>
>> john h
>>
>
Must have included them around 1992. Rudder stop came in my kit M3-098.
Bob Griffin
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Peter Volum" <peterv@etsmiami.com>
Could this be the one John?
http://www.spinnerspilotshop.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/scstore/c-Charts
_-_Sectionals.html?E+scstore
If the above link arrives broken, go to their main page at:
http://www.spinnerspilotshop.com
then click on the "charts" link on the bottom of the page.
I know nothing about them. Never bought from them in the past. It's
just what I found when I did a search for "discount sectionals".
Their prices only seem marginally lower than Sporty's. It would hardly
be worth switching from a known reliable source unless you were buying
several at the same time.
If you find an even lower priced source, do tell us!
Peter
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Subject: Kolb-List: Sectionals
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi You All:
Someone mentioned a place to get Sectionals at a
reasonable price, much better than Sporty's.
However, I think I remember that they had to wait
forty forevers to get them. The good thing about
Sporty's is not the price, but they deliver quick.
Does anyone still have the url for the website?
Thanks in advance,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Peter/Gang:
Thanks for the help.
Think I'll take your advice and stick with
Sporty's.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Andrew Gassmann <a1929gassmann@earthlink.net>
John,
I think it was:
http://echarts.cc/index.html
they are $7.65 each
Andy
At 09:39 PM 5/1/2003, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>Hi You All:
>
>Someone mentioned a place to get Sectionals at a
>reasonable price, much better than Sporty's.
>However, I think I remember that they had to wait
>forty forevers to get them. The good thing about
>Sporty's is not the price, but they deliver quick.
>
>Does anyone still have the url for the website?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>john h
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Experimentals and Capitalism |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
In response to the post about making money with a homebuilt, I remember a post
about the professional photographer that makes a living taking pictures from
a MK 3 for Nationl Geographic or freelance.......How does he do that ?.... I
sometimes have requests to take pictures "for Hire" from my Ultralight( not Fat)
but am not sure how it applies to true ultralights... can't figure out where
I left my FAR book!...... I suppose it is hard to connect the pictures with
making money when you are the only one with the knowledge of taking those pictures.......
unless the camera was confiscated which probably would be a violation
of your rights........ unless a search warrant was used and that would be
a bit of a stretch.
As far as the rpm and airspeed numbers of the Firefly with different engines
I am wondering if my numbers from my enclosed ( read lower drag) Ultrastar are
correct. It seems my airspeed numbers must be too high unless the inline engine
and fuselage is that much of a decrease in drag to yield such high airspeed
numbers... I am in the process of building another more streamlined Ultrastar
but with changes to the first...One change will be to add 3 degrees of dihedral
to the wings and that may cause some loss of airspeed. Vortex generators
may offset the loss. Streamlined struts and smaller wheels will also help...I
had a 3 bladed Warp drive propellar of 50 inch diameter on the first machine
and will be using an Ivoprop of 50 inch diameter on the new one...The engines
and drives will be identical...Cuyuna UL202's with 2SI belt drives.....luckily
the first machine was sold to a friend that I will be flying with and comparisons
can be made...stay tuned....
Ed in Western NY
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| Subject: | Re: Experimentals and Capitalism |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
Well he is a professional photographer and a pilot, His own airplane, so he
flies it to do the photography. I am sure he does not charge for the rental,
his flying, unless he is a commercial pilot. If so, he can probably charge
for his flying but not the price of the airplane.
I am a professional photographer as well, (well not anymore, now a full time
editor) in the past, at least in a rented Cessnas, since I am not a
commerical pilot, I understand that I can have someone split the cost of the
plane for my use but I can't charge for my piloting since I don"t have the
commercial ticket.
Seems to me to be a grey area, just use the airplane to take the photos,
don't charge for your piloting or the airplane rental, just charge a fee for
the photography. Also with the Geographic guy you are talking about, he is
doing a project in photography, making all kinds of photo, one set or series
might include photos he has taken from his airplane. That seems a whole lot
different to me than if someone called me and hired me to "fly them for
photography" Of course I am sure the Goverment would view this much more
strickly. It's like, if I am flying around and photograph something from the
air, and happen to sell that photo. Is that illegal because I did so in a
airplane. HUM.
Just my opinion from someone who has been making a living photography for the
last 20 years.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
Demo flights, and experimental instruction, etc.. are
allowed. It has to be within the framework of the
rules.
===================
FAA considers that to be a Romper Room No-No.
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Southern Arizona
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
I have had 1-800 LIFT OFF memorized for at least 15
years.
Another thing John can do if he has the Garmin 295 is
to download the most recent map data base and he will
be legal in CONUS. If I get in a hurry I do just that.
Can be done online in less then an hour.
=====================
--- Larry Bourne <biglar@gogittum.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne"
> <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Hope you mean Sporty's URL. Co-incidentally, my new
> Sporty's catalog just
> came today, so..................here 'tis - - - -
> www.sportys.com
> Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> To: "Kolb List" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Sectionals
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck
> <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> >
> > Hi You All:
> >
> > Someone mentioned a place to get Sectionals at a
> > reasonable price, much better than Sporty's.
> > However, I think I remember that they had to wait
> > forty forevers to get them. The good thing about
> > Sporty's is not the price, but they deliver quick.
> >
> > Does anyone still have the url for the website?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > john h
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Experimental Restrictions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Demo flights, and experimental instruction, etc.. are
> allowed. It has to be within the framework of the
> rules.
Ron/Gang:
I changed the subject line to reflect what we are
talking about.
Best check the FAR. I looked for it this
morning, but could not pull it up on the computer.
IIRC experimental instruction can only be given in
the students experimental. Not the instructors.
Also, no charges for flights. However, one can
accept contributions to help offset fuel cost,
etc. But you can not charge the passenger.
You can use your experimental to spray your on
farm, but can not legally hire out to spray your
neighbors. But I bet you can do it for free and
then your neighbor may want to help you out with
your fuel bill, etc., as a
donation/contribution/expense sharing.
I'm pulling the above out of my head. Will give
you an idea of some of the restrictions for hiring
out. But best read the reg.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Experimentals and Capitalism |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
Well its like everything else with the any government.
As long as you define it their way you can do it.
If you are taking photographs and the usage of the
airplane is ancilliery to the photo's you are legal.
If you advertize yourself as an aerial photographer
and use your plane (any plane) for the photo's then
you now become a commercial aviation entity for which
you need a certified airplane (and a commercial
pilot's licnese). So if you and grandma wanna go and
take some pics of the farm, while you enjoy a little
ride in that beutifull spring morning its ok, even if
she aint really your grandma. :-)
Oh yeah and you also need to keep a low profile.
Nobody cares as long as you don't generate envy, piss
people off etc... :-)
Also keep in mine that soon the M3X will be part of
that new Light Aircraft certification thingy and
voilla presto its ok to make money with that. At least
I hope.
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| Subject: | Re: Experimental Restrictions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
I run a across an ac or was some other official thing
(could have been an article in experimenter based on
an FAA finding, aint sure which or where, but if my
butt is in the sling, you can bet yours that I'll find
it). That explains that you can (gotta be a cfi)
instruct in an experimental if the student is going to
buy the same aircraft, or build the same aircraft.
Anyway there are enough holes in that to make it a
viable possibility. But you wll have to go by the rest
of the rules as well. 100 hr inspections, gotta be a
*CFI* etc.. there ain't no free lunch.
=============================
> > Demo flights, and experimental instruction, etc..
> are
> > allowed. It has to be within the framework of the
> > rules.
>
> Ron/Gang:
>
> I changed the subject line to reflect what we are
> talking about.
>
> Best check the FAR. I looked for it this
> morning, but could not pull it up on the computer.
>
> IIRC experimental instruction can only be given in
> the students experimental. Not the instructors.
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@attbi.com>
Good morning fellow flyers,
Here is Sporty's url:
http://www.sportys.com/shoppilot/
This is the link to AirSource1, a Ft Worth, TX shop. Great people and the
sectional price is $7.19 if ordered online instead of the $8.00 price.
http://www.airsource1.com/catalog.cgi/CHARTS/VFR%20SECTIONAL
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 257 hours
http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: Experimentals and Capitalism |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Ed, Tim, el al,
The case presented is not a gray area with the FAA at all. You can take
a photo from your experimental and be paid for the photo. What you
can't do is be paid for flying. Thus you can not be paid by someone
else to take them flying. The only exception allowed by the FAA is
rental of a homebuilt for the purpose of transition training. This is a
recent change.
The other money issue is "share direct operating expenses". This is
basically gas, oil, landing fees, etc but not maintenance, engine
overhaul reserve and such. This applies to all non-commercial general
aviation. What is gray here is the meaning of "share". Recent FAA
pronouncements imply a maximum reimbursement of 50% but the rule doesn't
say, so one might get away with 99%/1%.
The real gray area is legal ultralights. Since they are not "aircraft"
the Part 135 certification of aircraft and pilots for commercial, paid
use does not apply. Which leads to the question of how do you fly
someone else in a single place vehicle. Of course, two place ultralight
trainers can only be flown two place for the purpose of instruction.
Definitely Catch 22 and no-one is sure about what will happen to 2 place
trainers when the Sport Pilot rule becomes final. As currently proposed
the 2 placers will be converted or phased out.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Do not Archive.
Only slightly Kolb related, but I hope of interest...................last summer
when I was preparing for vacation, John Hauck strongly recommended that since
I was going in that direction, I should VERY DEFINITELY make a side trip to
Hyder, Alaska, to see the Grizzly bears catching salmon. I did just that, and
have to say, "Thank You, John," for a tremendous experience. I just now - finally
- finished a web page of the adventure, and have included it in my website.
Click on the link in my address below; go to my original website; click
on "Traveling," and then on "Hyder, Alaska." Or, for a one time, "make it simple,"
click on this link..................
http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/hyderalaska.html
I hope you all enjoy it. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Grizzly bears catching salmon. I did just that,
and have to say, "Thank You, John," for a
tremendous experience. Lar.
Lar/Gang:
You are more than welcome.
Brought back a lot of wonderful memories from our
5th wheel trip through that area in 1997. I had
planned a stop at Stewart/Hyder on the way back
from Barrow, Alaska, two years ago. But wanting
to get back to Oshkosh in time for the show, I
reluctantly passed the intersection at Mezidian
and continued south. Based on my condition (sick)
and reception at Oshkosh, I should have gone to
Hyder.
What a spectacular area. Would have blown my mind
to fly up Salmon Glacier. For that matter, would
have been exciting landing at the airstrip in
Stewart.
Thanks for the pictures.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Great pics Lar. Brings back some good memories of when my family was still
together. Was there in 86 but didn't know about the bears then. Darn!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Web Site
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 05/01/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
. Anyone for regular 7-Up? . Anyone for regular 7-Up? . Anyone for
regular 7-Up? . Anyone for regular 7-Up? . Anyone for regular 7-Up? .
Anyone for regular 7-Up? . Anyone for regular 7-Up?
Tom Kuffel
======================================
YES
boyd.
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| Subject: | Re: NOT AGAIN!!! HVLP VS. PRESSURE POT |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
Ben and gang:
i wanted to be the first to admit that i gave some wrong info yesterday...when
i
stated that you are suppose to use C2210 to clean the pressure pot hose is wrong,
what i ment to say is to use reducer only...C2210 is a paint cleaner only. also
the
axis HVLP system ( the unit that Jim & Dondi sell) is a very good system and whatever
HVLP you go with make sure that you are getting a quality gun because that is the
heart of the system and also it should be a 3-stage unit with min. of a 40' hose.
there is a lot to learn about Hvlp systems.
thanks,
Gary r. voigt
still getting educated
Gary robert voigt wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
>
> Ben and gang:
> After talking with many painters and aircraft painters i decided to go
> the graco HVLP (system 3800)
> it lists for about $985.00 which does not mean any thing these days it is
> what you pay that counts, paint sprayers out of Las vegas, nevada. has this
> system $695.00 and non- residents pay no tax and about $20.00 to ship it...
> then i found out that the distribution center is about 30 miles from my
> house here in mn. and here i'm calling Las Vegas to order it so i found a
> sherwin William's rep. that handles graco products and told him that i could
> get a better deal down south and he did not want to lose out on a sale and
> said i was getting a very good price so he matched it and saved me shipping
> and i was able to get it tax exempt.
> i decided not to get the pressure pot because it does not have the on board
> compressor of course and the main reason is you will spend about $20.00
> cleaning the hose with C2210 paint cleaner everytime you use it i'm told.
> also you can still paint different attitudes with the 3800 system you just
> have to keep the fan spray square with object to be painted and have the cup
> rotated on the gun. picked up my cub yellow paint today and should be ready
> to go in about 3 weeks. sorry to be so long winded. here is the link to the
> site if any of you are interested.
> http://www.searchalot.com/texis/open/s?p=google&q=hvlp+graco
>
> getting educated....
> Gary r. voigt
>
> Ben Ransom wrote:
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Gary, let us know what model and price you find good on these better
> > guns. Although it would be nice to be able to spray upside down or
> > whatever, there is generally greater potential for runs this way too
> > (speaking for myself anyway ;) ), so when easy, painting mostly
> > downward is nice.
> > -Ben
> >
> > --- Gary robert voigt <johndeereantique@qwest.net> wrote:
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt"
> > > <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
> > >
> > > Hello guys, i have been doing my research on HVLP systems and it
> > > seems that graco, devilbiss are the leaders in the industry there may
> > > be
> > > a few others but i did not want to spend 1800.00 on the top of the
> > > line,
> > > anyway my question is how many of you have used the pressure pot
> > > system
> > > or the capspray! it seems to me for only a couple hundred dollars
> > > more
> > > that would be the way to go particularly since my kolb is already
> > > built
> > > and i want to paint it a different color other than the juneau white
> > > and
> > > with this system you can apply paint in any attitude! thats right you
> > > can lay on your back and paint the underside of the wing, you can not
> > > do
> > > this with most systems. is it worth the difference and did you get
> > > good
> > > results with regular HVLP. also do you gents go with a fresh air
> > > system
> > > or just a half mask. maybe by my first flyin this year i can get this
> > > thing color coated!!!
> > >
> > > thanks in advance,
> > > Gary r. voigt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "NBD" <mk3@bailinair.com>
Does anyone have a recent price on the cost of a Rotax 912 engine package
from Kolb?
Thanks.
Noel
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| Subject: | Re: NOT AGAIN!!! HVLP VS. PRESSURE POT |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Gary/Gang:
Have been using an HVLP system I bought from Jim
and Dondi Miller two years ago. Does a good job,
has fresh air system in addition to the spray
system. Should have had this setup 19 years ago
when I got started in the addictive hobby of
airplane building and flying.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley & Essential Fluids |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
John, You mentioned Red Areothane and Polyspray an polytone and such.....as
I also am painting....can you tell me if I can apply Red aerothane over
white Polytone?.....or any aerothane over polytone for that matter. It
sounds like you might be doing this, and I have asked the venders...and of
course they all recommend just Polytone...or just aerothane....
What I have in mind is Red Aerothane Stripes over white Poly-tone. Got the
second coat of white on today...
"putting on the colors!!!!"
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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| Subject: | Re: Victor 1+ - First Short Cross Country |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Jack...I thought as lift is increased...so is drag?????...college was a long
tome ago...so correct me if i'm thinking wrong....lift overcomes
gravity......thrust overcomes drag......wouldnt the Firefly wing therefore
have less lift...and less drag too???...other than the struts...
snipped...((((wing loading of the FireStar will be 3.43 pounds per square
foot and the FireFly will be 3.88. So for any given speed, FireStar wing
drag is going to be less. The FireFly design presents much more drag.))))
"in the painting mode now.....wahooo!"
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley & Essential Fluids |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Don, I can't speak for John, but aerothane has a few strikes against it.
1. get you sick if not VERY well ventilated 2. Quirky behavior as far as
being "pissy" if not allowed pot time, sensitivity to dust, oil spots,
-It will be more glossy than the polytone,why not shoot poly red and
then clear aerothane on top for a more uniform result? That's what
I did last year and it turned out well. The only downside is that the
clear will tend to yellow slightly over time. -BB
Don Gherardini wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
>John, You mentioned Red Areothane and Polyspray an polytone and such.....as
>I also am painting....can you tell me if I can apply Red aerothane over
>white Polytone?.....or any aerothane over polytone for that matter. It
>sounds like you might be doing this, and I have asked the venders...and of
>course they all recommend just Polytone...or just aerothane....
>
>What I have in mind is Red Aerothane Stripes over white Poly-tone. Got the
>second coat of white on today...
>
>
>"putting on the colors!!!!"
>
>
>http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
>Don Gherardini-
>FireFly 098
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Experimentals and Capitalism |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
"The only exception allowed by the FAA is
rental of a homebuilt for the purpose of transition training. This is a
recent change."
There isn't a Change. The FARs remain the same. However is you want to do
"transition training" in you homebuilt, you can get a FREE waiver from the
FAA thru the EAA. It must be applied for a specific aircraft and it
expires. So you just can't go out and do "transition training"
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "kuffel" <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Experimentals and Capitalism
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
>
> Ed, Tim, el al,
>
> The case presented is not a gray area with the FAA at all. You can take
> a photo from your experimental and be paid for the photo. What you
> can't do is be paid for flying. Thus you can not be paid by someone
> else to take them flying. The only exception allowed by the FAA is
> rental of a homebuilt for the purpose of transition training. This is a
> recent change.
>
> The other money issue is "share direct operating expenses". This is
> basically gas, oil, landing fees, etc but not maintenance, engine
> overhaul reserve and such. This applies to all non-commercial general
> aviation. What is gray here is the meaning of "share". Recent FAA
> pronouncements imply a maximum reimbursement of 50% but the rule doesn't
> say, so one might get away with 99%/1%.
>
> The real gray area is legal ultralights. Since they are not "aircraft"
> the Part 135 certification of aircraft and pilots for commercial, paid
> use does not apply. Which leads to the question of how do you fly
> someone else in a single place vehicle. Of course, two place ultralight
> trainers can only be flown two place for the purpose of instruction.
> Definitely Catch 22 and no-one is sure about what will happen to 2 place
> trainers when the Sport Pilot rule becomes final. As currently proposed
> the 2 placers will be converted or phased out.
>
> Tom Kuffel
> Whitefish, MT
> Building Original FireStar
>
> Do Not Archive (Sorry, I forgot to put this on my recent posts.)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Poly Tone vs. Aerothane |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com>
Don, the Aerothane will spray nicely over Poly Tone, but, Aerothane is much
more glossy than Poly Tone although you can add a gloss retarder, but why?
If you are going to keep one color Poly Tone why not keep the entire paint
job Poly Tone. Poly Tone is safer and easier to apply. Call Jim & Dondi
and they will explain how to easily get Poly Tone to be more glossy
(although it will never be as glossy as Aerothane).
Both products are very good, but I think you will be happy with the entire
aircraft completely one product or the other.
Happy painting...
Ian Heritch
San Antonio, TX
Slingshot, 912 100% Aerothane
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> John, You mentioned Red Areothane and Polyspray an polytone and
such.....as
> I also am painting....can you tell me if I can apply Red aerothane over
> white Polytone?.....or any aerothane over polytone for that matter. It
> sounds like you might be doing this, and I have asked the venders...and of
> course they all recommend just Polytone...or just aerothane....
>
> What I have in mind is Red Aerothane Stripes over white Poly-tone. Got the
> second coat of white on today...
>
>
> "putting on the colors!!!!"
>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> Don Gherardini-
> FireFly 098
>
>
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| Subject: | Aerothane and Polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> I also am painting....can you tell me if I can apply Red aerothane over
> white Polytone?.....or any aerothane over polytone for that matter. It
> sounds like you might be doing this, and I have asked the venders...and of
> course they all recommend just Polytone...or just aerothane....
>
> What I have in mind is Red Aerothane Stripes over white Poly-tone. Got the
> second coat of white on today...
> Don Gherardini-
Don/Gang:
I changed the subject line.
Yes, by all means. Paint Aerothane over
Polytone. I think that will look cool, deep
Aerothane shiny stripes over soft white Polytone.
Polybrush, Polyspray, Polytone are all in the same
family. Only difference is the pigments used.
Polybrush uses something like superfine talc to
fill the weave in the dacron, aluminum powder in
Polyspray for UV blockage, and colored pigments in
Polytone. Use the same reducer for all these.
Aerothane compatible or you couldn't shoot it over
Polybrush or Polyspray.
Read the directions on the cans and you are good
to go. Most folks know to use a fresh air source
for two part epoxy primer and two part urethanes.
The isociantes are not stopped by charcoal
cartridges in respirators. These little fellers
are the ones that can kill you.
Good luck,
john h
PS: I undercoat all my colors with isignia white
Polytone to bring out the true colors of the
aerothane or polytone. Don't use Polytone on
metal.
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| Subject: | Aerothane and Polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> 1. get you sick if not VERY well ventilated 2. Quirky behavior as far as
> being "pissy" if not allowed pot time, sensitivity to dust, oil spots,
> -It will be more glossy than the polytone,why not shoot poly red and
> then clear aerothane on top for a more uniform result? That's what
> I did last year and it turned out well. The only downside is that the
> clear will tend to yellow slightly over time. -BB
BB/Don/Gang:
I changed the subject line.
Change 1. above to: get you sick if you do not
have a fresh air source.
2. Takes a little more skill to shoot Aerothane.
A monkey can shoot Polytone. Probably teach a
monkey to look at the clock and know when 30
minutes is up after mixing the catalyst and the
base of Aerothane. All paints, dopes, and
cements, are sensitive to dust, oil spots.
Shooting clear Aerothane over Polytone is a major
project. Much more difficult to shoot clear
Aerothane or clear Polytone (yes you can get clear
Polytone) over pigmented Polytone. I do not
recommend that procedure. Adds an additional step
to a lot of other steps.
The reason clear Aerothane has a yellow cast is
because it has a UV block that causes it to has a
yellow cast.
You can get Aerothane and Polytone with a UV block
added. This precludes the Polyspray and white
Polytone base coat. However, it tends to give all
the colors that yellow cast. Not recommended, but
in the old days folks tried this system to try and
meet the 254 lb limit on ULs.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Aerothane and Polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> The isociantes are not stopped by charcoal
Ya'll:
I think the way to spell the above is,
isocyanates???
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Experimental and Capitalism |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
>
>The real gray area is legal ultralights. Since they are not "aircraft"
>the Part 135 certification of aircraft and pilots for commercial, paid
>use does not apply. Which leads to the question of how do you fly
>someone else in a single place vehicle. Of course, two place ultralight
>trainers can only be flown two place for the purpose of instruction.
I thought there was some exemption that a 2-place UL trainer could be flown
solo by a pilot training for his BFI to build hours to meet the qualification?
>Definitely Catch 22 and no-one is sure about what will happen to 2 place
>trainers when the Sport Pilot rule becomes final. As currently proposed
>the 2 placers will be converted or phased out.
>
>Tom Kuffel
>Whitefish, MT
>Building Original FireStar
Is that not the FAA's intent to solve two problems, one being 2-place light
planes be flown by UL pilots for recreational flying other than training
and second FAA real concern , the carrying of passengers.
jerb
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aerothane and Polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Thx John...Just what I wanted to know. I am well aware of the dangers of
cyanides in paint, when inron came out I painted 3 large box trucks (c-60
chevys) with it in one week...20 years ago probably...like to killed me...
And that is the biggest reason I dont wanna use it for the whole program. I
have talked to jim miller about how to get polytone glossier...and I am
doing all the tricks....retarder...keepin the paint in the fridge...and
painting at 65 degrees. It aint too bad....but I would really like the red
to shine a little more than the white is...thats why I asked.
I believe I have the painting skills to do it, as I have done many a custom
job on cars and motorcycles over the years...flames are my specialty. But I
dont know IF I have the gumption to do all the masking work..after seeing
that FireFly down at sun 'n 'Fun...I was pretty inspired!....so I have a
similiar scheme in mind. IF I screw it up...well its only money right!
....and Time.....It is definatley adding alot of time to my building
project...Im gonna start masking in the morning.
thx men.
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Do not Archive.
Looks like this message is already out of date. My cousins are visiting
from Canada, and with them in and out, and what-not, I couldn't go up to
work on the plane. Building pages has been fun the last few days, and I'm
back in the mood, so built a couple more of the trip leading up to Hyder,
Alaska. Instead of putting up a page at a time, I created a central page
for the Traveling series. Jasper isn't done yet, but will be soon, and Mesa
Verde is gonna take a while. I did those pics with a 35 mm several years
ago, and hafta scan them in. You can see British Columbia, North
Hyder, Alaska; Canyon de Chelly; and Grand Canyon at:
www.webpictures.homestead.com/travelling.html
or go thru my website at www.gogittum.com till you get to traveling. I
spelled it wrong when I built the page, and it won't let me change it now.
Sorry. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Web Site
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Do not Archive.
>
> Only slightly Kolb related, but I hope of interest...................last
summer when I was preparing for vacation, John Hauck strongly recommended
that since I was going in that direction, I should VERY DEFINITELY make a
side trip to Hyder, Alaska, to see the Grizzly bears catching salmon. I did
just that, and have to say, "Thank You, John," for a tremendous experience.
I just now - finally - finished a web page of the adventure, and have
included it in my website. Click on the link in my address below; go to my
original website; click on "Traveling," and then on "Hyder, Alaska." Or,
for a one time, "make it simple," click on this link..................
>
>
http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/hyderalaska.html
>
> I hope you all enjoy it. Lar. Do not
Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Experimental and Capitalism |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Jerb,
The light sport aircraft rule is complex to say the least. If you want
all the details beyond the brief highlights mentioned here go to:
http://www1.faa.gov/avr/afs/sportpilot/index.cfm
Be ready for a lot of FAA speak.
<<<Of course, two place ultralight trainers can only be flown two place
for the purpose of instruction. <I thought there was some exemption
that a 2-place UL trainer could be flown solo by a pilot training for
his BFI to build hours to meet the qualification?>>>
Actually, the exemption says the 2 place ultralight can be flown, 2
place or solo, only for the purpose of flight training. Not for
recreation nor sport. Thus a pilot *training* (my emphasis) for his BFI
might get away with what otherwise might be considered sport or
recreation flying. But he better be ready to prove to the FAA he is
under the active supervision of an instructor. Someone who is already
an U/L instructor could fly solo for the purpose of currency training.
But he could expect to get hammered if he does 100 hours of solo
currency training for every hour of dual given. And of course every
flight with 2 people aboard must be with one of them being an U/L
instructor and the other receiving dual instruction.
<<<As currently proposed the 2 placers will be converted or phased out.
<Is that not the FAA's intent to solve two problems, one being 2-place
light planes be flown by UL pilots for recreational flying other than
training and second FAA real concern , the carrying of passengers.>>
Short answer: yes. Longer answer in the context of for-hire use:
As proposed there are 2 types of light sport aircraft: special and
experimental. Special LSA will be only those built at the factory to
industry "consensus standards". These will have lots of paperwork, an
equivalent of Airworthiness Directives, etc. They are unrelated to this
discussion.
An aircraft can get an experimental LSA certificate in one of the
following ways:
1) Conversion from a special LSA if you don't want to put up with the
paperwork and mandatory directives.
2) Build a kit from the factory with prior FAA approval of the kit. The
aircraft *must* be built in accordance with the plans provided by the
manufacturer. If you don't want to follow the instructions exactly then
you would have to register it as a homebuilt experimental with all the
restrictions on paid use already discussed.
3) Within 24 months of the final rule, convert your Part 103 legal U/L
(optional), fat 103 U/L (mandatory) or 2 place U/L trainer (mandatory).
For aircraft under option 3, the rule specifically states the aircraft
may be used for hire (only for flight training) only up until 36 months
from the final rule.
The FAA has made it rather clear they intend to no longer issue 2-place
U/L trainer exemptions after the LSA rule becomes final. In other
words, 3 years after the rule is implemented, 2-place U/L trainers will
be phased out for use as trainers for hire.
Hope this doesn't make an unclear situation even murkier.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
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