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1. 03:16 AM - Re: Rotax 912 (Jim Ballenger)
2. 06:10 AM - Re: Aerothane and Polytone (John Hauck)
3. 06:19 AM - gloss kolb paint. (boyd young)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: Sectionals (Bob)
5. 06:55 AM - Re: Sectionals (John Hauck)
6. 05:02 PM - Re: Aerothane and Polytone (Gary robert voigt)
7. 06:24 PM - Re: Aerothane and Polytone (Don Gherardini)
8. 06:49 PM - Re: Aerothane and Polytone (Kirk Smith)
9. 07:01 PM - Re: Aerothane and Polytone (Cy Galley)
10. 07:11 PM - Re: Aerothane and Polytone (Timandjan@aol.com)
11. 07:12 PM - Re: Aerothane and Polytone (Dave Carr)
12. 07:43 PM - aerothane and polytone (Bob Bean)
13. 08:07 PM - Re: aerothane and polytone (Don Gherardini)
14. 10:01 PM - Re: aerothane and polytone (John Hauck)
15. 10:05 PM - Re: aerothane and polytone (John Hauck)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Noel
As of 27 March 03, the company was advertising $11,638.00 for the 912 engine
package for the MK3X.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
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----- Original Message -----
From: "NBD" <mk3@bailinair.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Rotax 912
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "NBD" <mk3@bailinair.com>
>
> Does anyone have a recent price on the cost of a Rotax 912 engine package
> from Kolb?
>
> Thanks.
> Noel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aerothane and Polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> ....and Time.....It is definatley adding alot of time to my building
> project...Im gonna start masking in the morning.
> Don Gherardini-
Don/Gang:
Yes, any paint job other than a single color for
everything with Polytone is work intensive. For
example, I would be replacing the tail section on
Miss P'fer this morning if I had decided to paint
my airplane with white Polytone. However, I must
paint yellow Aerothane this morning, let it dry
until tomorrow morning so it will be ready to mask
and tape, then finally shoot red Aerothane.
I have built and repaired three airplanes over the
last 19 years. Every one of my airplanes paint
schemes were exactly alike, Pontiac Red and Cub
Yellow Sunburst. No matter which angle you look
at them, the sunburst design is always the same,
top, bottom, left and right, front and rear.
Everytime I have to repair and repaint, I swear I
will paint my next airplane Cub yellow, period.
But when everything is all finished, it is my
airplane, my paint scheme, and I enjoy looking at
it. Would not be the same any other way, despite
all the extra work and money involved.
Two weeks from today, weather, machine, and me,
cooperating, should land at Gouldings airstrip,
Monument Valley, Utah. I'm getting excited now.
Have not flown a cross country, other than Sun and
Fun 2002, since my flight to Barrow.
Take care,
john h
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| Subject: | gloss kolb paint. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
I
have talked to jim miller about how to get polytone glossier...and I am
doing all the tricks....retarder...keepin the paint in the fridge...and
painting at 65 degrees. It aint too bad....but I would really like the red
to shine a little more than the white is..
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one trick i learned kind of by accident... while running a bit short of paint
i added a bit more thinner to insure i would have enough for one more coat...
that part was quite a bit more glossy than when mixed to the instructions.
boyd
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob" <rcarillon@neo.rr.com>
Try Mypilotstore.com Charts are 7.25 and free shipping. You have the
choice to buy the current chart or select buy next release. I have purchased
from them before and no problems.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Sectionals
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Hi You All:
>
> Someone mentioned a place to get Sectionals at a
> reasonable price, much better than Sporty's.
> However, I think I remember that they had to wait
> forty forevers to get them. The good thing about
> Sporty's is not the price, but they deliver quick.
>
> Does anyone still have the url for the website?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Kolbers:
My thanks to everyone who sent in suggestions for
purchase of sectionals.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Aerothane and Polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
Don, i have talked with many polytone painters and when i paint mine cub
yellow (143) i'm going to buff it out with a 3M product to give it a high gloss
after about two weeks after it is painted
thanks,
Gary r. voigt
Don Gherardini wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Thx John...Just what I wanted to know. I am well aware of the dangers of
> cyanides in paint, when inron came out I painted 3 large box trucks (c-60
> chevys) with it in one week...20 years ago probably...like to killed me...
> And that is the biggest reason I dont wanna use it for the whole program. I
> have talked to jim miller about how to get polytone glossier...and I am
> doing all the tricks....retarder...keepin the paint in the fridge...and
> painting at 65 degrees. It aint too bad....but I would really like the red
> to shine a little more than the white is...thats why I asked.
> I believe I have the painting skills to do it, as I have done many a custom
> job on cars and motorcycles over the years...flames are my specialty. But I
> dont know IF I have the gumption to do all the masking work..after seeing
> that FireFly down at sun 'n 'Fun...I was pretty inspired!....so I have a
> similiar scheme in mind. IF I screw it up...well its only money right!
> ....and Time.....It is definatley adding alot of time to my building
> project...Im gonna start masking in the morning.
>
> thx men.
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> Don Gherardini-
> FireFly 098
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aerothane and Polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
ARGGGGHHHH...After 5 hours on the clock of masking the horizontals.....I
shot the first coat of red polytone...waited 30 min...and peeled the
3m-painters choice masking tape off to admire my work.
Disaster....virtually every edge bled across under the tape feathering out
into the white....If any of you were outside, or had you windows down...you
might have heard me screaminmg and cussin. ...jeez...is there some secret to
keeping nice edges on a stripe when painting stitts cloth?????
the white was more than 24 hours old...good an dry. The tape was what I
thought was good quality...in fact, there were a couple of areas where I
used another kind of masking tape, still 3-M, but very narrow..1/4 inch for
going around tite curves. It was from the auto parts store...auto painting
stuff...bled there also. I rubbed all the edges with my fingers before i
painted to insure a good adhesion...Just like I have done for years flaming
fenders on cars with never a single problem.(This is my first cloth paint
attempt). I'm looking for some advice men!!!
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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| Subject: | Re: Aerothane and Polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aerothane and Polytone
....virtually every edge bled across under the tape feathering out
> into the white....
I think you was supposed to put down a white coat after taping then the red.
That way it's the white that bleeds onto the white and it also seals so that
the red won't bleed through.......Kirk
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| Subject: | Re: Aerothane and Polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
One way to prevent the paint from going under the tape is after taping
shoot, in this case, the white along the tape edges. If it runs under no big
problem. Then shoot your stripe color. Used this many years ago when
painting model airplanes.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aerothane and Polytone
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> ARGGGGHHHH...After 5 hours on the clock of masking the horizontals.....I
> shot the first coat of red polytone...waited 30 min...and peeled the
> 3m-painters choice masking tape off to admire my work.
> Disaster....virtually every edge bled across under the tape feathering out
> into the white....If any of you were outside, or had you windows
down...you
> might have heard me screaminmg and cussin. ...jeez...is there some secret
to
> keeping nice edges on a stripe when painting stitts cloth?????
> the white was more than 24 hours old...good an dry. The tape was what I
> thought was good quality...in fact, there were a couple of areas where I
> used another kind of masking tape, still 3-M, but very narrow..1/4 inch
for
> going around tite curves. It was from the auto parts store...auto painting
> stuff...bled there also. I rubbed all the edges with my fingers before i
> painted to insure a good adhesion...Just like I have done for years
flaming
> fenders on cars with never a single problem.(This is my first cloth paint
> attempt). I'm looking for some advice men!!!
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> Don Gherardini-
> FireFly 098
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aerothane and Polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
Was this the small blue colored 3M striping tape. I have used it on many and
never had that problem. My Firestar is white with BAhama Blue stripes and
checker board, lots and lots of masking, no blead through. I wonder what
happened. I can only imagine your agony.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Aerothane and Polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave Carr" <dcarr@uniontel.net>
I have never used any of the new paints as I am an old A&E from the 50s but
we always brushed clear on the edge of the tape to seal it from bleeding. I
am sure the base color would work fine also. It will seal the tape so not
leak.
Dave Carr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aerothane and Polytone
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> ARGGGGHHHH...After 5 hours on the clock of masking the horizontals.....I
> shot the first coat of red polytone...waited 30 min...and peeled the
> 3m-painters choice masking tape off to admire my work.
> Disaster....virtually every edge bled across under the tape feathering out
> into the white....If any of you were outside, or had you windows
down...you
> might have heard me screaminmg and cussin. ...jeez...is there some secret
to
> keeping nice edges on a stripe when painting stitts cloth?????
> the white was more than 24 hours old...good an dry. The tape was what I
> thought was good quality...in fact, there were a couple of areas where I
> used another kind of masking tape, still 3-M, but very narrow..1/4 inch
for
> going around tite curves. It was from the auto parts store...auto painting
> stuff...bled there also. I rubbed all the edges with my fingers before i
> painted to insure a good adhesion...Just like I have done for years
flaming
> fenders on cars with never a single problem.(This is my first cloth paint
> attempt). I'm looking for some advice men!!!
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> Don Gherardini-
> FireFly 098
>
>
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| Subject: | aerothane and polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
What I don't remember seeing posted is who else has done aerothane trim
over polytone? The sealing ideas are good. I had good results with 3M
#2070 low adhesion except where I had to go over rivet heads it had to be
reinforced with regular tape - lousy flexibility but a great sharp edge.
This was with polytone on polytone. Don, what was the OAT? -should
be 75 deg in the pot for 30 min to attain some body. -BB thanks for
the warning, don't think I'll try that combo.
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| Subject: | Re: aerothane and polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Well Bob....OAT was 67 deg....and I had 2 cap fuls of retarder in the cup
and 4 to 1 reducer.....just like the book says. Im spraying in this slightly
chilly weather to help the gloss......
The Tape was the purple....med adhesion...and I have some blue also...didnt
use it yet.
Fellas....now that edge sealing idea sounds like a real winner to me...or
laying down a white coat after masking.
I suppose...in trying to get a gloss...doin all those things to slow down
drying contributes to this bled problem...
No dang wonder all them show planes use auto paint!!!!!
Frustrated
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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| Subject: | Re: aerothane and polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Fellas....now that edge sealing idea sounds like a real winner to me...or
> laying down a white coat after masking.
>
> I suppose...in trying to get a gloss...doin all those things to slow down
> drying contributes to this bled problem...
>
> No dang wonder all them show planes use auto paint!!!!!
>
> Frustrated
> Don Gherardini-
Don/Gents:
You'll get over it. :-)
I have built a few show planes with good results.
Never used anything but Stitts/Polyfiber
products. No automobile paints.
Masking tape is not designed for taping lines. No
need to go through all the other additional
painting after masking tape is applied. The
correct product for taping lines is "3M fine line
polypropolene tape". It is designed for just that
purpose. I use 1/2" width.
Use the 3m auto painting masking tape to mask with
and also to stick the masking paper. Nothing
else.
I have miles of tape lines on my airplanes. First
I put down the "fine line" tape to get my design.
Then I go back and mask the areas that don't get
painted.
Regular masking tape is crepe paper. It is
designed for paint to bleed under.
In the morning I will get up and mask the sun
burst on the vertical stabilizer. Soon as I get
that done I will shoot red aerothane and my repair
job will be ready to reassemble on the airplane
Monday or Tuesday.
If anyone hears a scream about noon tomorrow,
central time, it means I have screwed up my paint
job.
The 3M Fine Line Polypropylene Tape will bend much
better than masking tape.
It is expensive, but worth every penny when the
painting is done.
Some of you all did not get my msg about the
family of Polybrush. Anyhow, there is no problem
painting Aerothane over Polytone. Been doing it
since day one, and that was a while ago.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: aerothane and polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> What I don't remember seeing posted is who else has done aerothane trim
> over polytone? -BB thanks for
> the warning, don't think I'll try that combo.
BB/Gang:
All the fabric on my airplane is Aerothane over
Polytone.
I do not see any difference in success when
trimming with aerothane. I wouldn't use that
method though. If I was going to trim Polytone I
would stay with the same system and use Polytone
to trim with. Much easier to repair.
john h
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