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1. 07:23 AM - Re: Compass rebuild (Richard Pike)
2. 07:33 AM - Re: Auto paint and small repairs (Richard Pike)
3. 08:25 AM - Re: aileron and flap setup - Paint and Repair (CaptainRon)
4. 09:40 AM - Re: McCreary 8.00 X 6 tires (Ben Ransom)
5. 10:17 AM - Re: McCreary 8.00 X 6 tires (John Hauck)
6. 12:10 PM - (barry@wk.net)
7. 01:45 PM - Re: aileron and flap setup (woody)
8. 01:55 PM - Re: aerothane and polytone (Don Gherardini)
9. 02:00 PM - Re: (Bob N.)
10. 02:55 PM - Re: aileron and flap setup (John Hauck)
11. 03:08 PM - Re: aileron and flap setup (John Hauck)
12. 04:33 PM - COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! (Gary robert voigt)
13. 05:21 PM - aircraft info (Bob N.)
14. 05:36 PM - Re: UL: aircraft info (Bob N.)
15. 06:21 PM - Re: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! ()
16. 07:20 PM - Re: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! (Gary robert voigt)
17. 07:32 PM - Re: Auto paint and small repairs (woody)
18. 07:40 PM - Re: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! (woody)
19. 07:53 PM - Re: Aerothane and Polytone (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Compass rebuild |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I entered "repair aircraft compass" in Google and got a bunch of hits, and
most of them had an e-mail address to contact. E-mail them with what you
have and see what they say.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 08:48 PM 5/4/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
>
>I got this awsom old compass from my father in law. It's all aluminum, has a
>concave round glass front, not a flat piece of glass like current compasses,
>but more like what you see in the ww1 cockpits. Anyways, I took it apart, the
>inside pant is flaking off, was totally empty of fluid etc. I was going to
>redo it myself and maybe put it in my car, but it's so neat looking that I
>might have it rebuild for a airplane project. Does anybody know of anyone
>that redoes old instruments??? Or what could I paing it with again inside so
>the compass fluid would not eat the paint. Any ideas???
>
>Tim
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Auto paint and small repairs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Suggestion: At the point where you know you are going to cut the fabric
away anyway, put a dab of paint stripper on the auto paint and see what
happens. I bet it will cut away the auto paint, and also the Stits down to
the fabric without hurting the fabric. If you can carefully strip away the
auto paint, then you can repair by laying in a fabric patch, feather sand
the edges of the auto paint, & you will be on your way.
You may be able to get it to strip the auto paint without going all the way
through to the Stits, but that's iffy. Either way, once you get the auto
paint off, everything becomes easier.
If the paint stripper doesn't work, or damages the fabric, it was a place
you were planning to cut off anyway, so...
Make sure you get all the stripper out before you begin to repair.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 12:32 AM 5/5/03 -0600, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "M. Domenic Perez"
><perezmdomenic@plateautel.net>
>
> The "ding" in my aileron trailing edge tube (5/16" diameter tubing, I
>think) is substantial enough a bend so that fabric will definitely need to
>be cut into, if not a section actually cut out, to properly inspect and
>repair. The outboard section, out from the last rib, had the trailing edge
>displace 2 to 3". I popped holes for safety wire to be wrapped around the
>tubing and with a puller arrangement, returned it to within 1/2 to 3/4" of
>normal location. I don't believe the tube is kinked but it needs attention.
>The tubing repair will not be a mystery. The unknown here is proper
>preparation of the auto painted fabric to get a patch to stick properly. Can
>I sand the auto paint down enough without damaging the fabric that I want
>the patch to stick to? Will it still stick good enough if it proved
>impossible to completely sand away ALL of the auto paint in the area?
> Gentlemen, this is why the poly system paints should be used.
>
>M. Domenic Perez
>Vaughn, NM
>Firestar II, 503
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: aileron and flap setup - Paint and Repair |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: CaptainRon <aerialron@yahoo.com>
I know how that feels been locked up in the hanger for
about 11 hrs working none stop on the beech Sunday.
Almost done, got a flight later on today and gotta go
back and finish. As soon I can finish it, I get back
to the M3X. The discussion about paint is a good one.
But I am holding no hope for any type of a nice paint
job from me. When it comes to painting,, objects have
been known to aquire life and run away when I show up
a paint gun.
do not archive
==============================
I am worn out. Been a long day, but successful.
Had one little place to fix in the trim line.
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Southern Arizona
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| Subject: | McCreary 8.00 X 6 tires |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
One additional thing (advice?) to keep in mind, is that bigger softer
tires require more attention to get the wheels parallel with the runway
when landing in a crosswind on pavement. Big tire footprint and not
pointing in the direction of momentum will wake you right up! -- or
worse case, result in ground loop.
Get that windward wing down, airplane straight with rudder as req'd --
fun stuff!
-Ben
--- NBD <mk3@bailinair.com> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "NBD" <mk3@bailinair.com>
>
> Hmmm ... Well, I don't know if you'd call it a recommendation, but
> you did
> post what you where using them as part of a discussion about a year
> ago,
> indicated that you liked them. I didn't see a post as to air
> pressures and
> couldn't find one but have duely recorded your latest for posterity
> in my
> newly started operations manual.
>
> Regards
> Noel
> Kolb MK III Classic
> http://www.bailinair.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: John Hauk: McCreary 8.00 X 6 tires
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> > I bought a set of McCreary AirTrac 8.00 X 6 tire with tubes as you
> > advised last Spring, wondering if you can tell me how much air
> > pressure you run in them these days on your MK III.
>
> > Noel
>
> Hi Noel/Gang:
>
> I did what? Just sent a post to the List that
> said I tried not to give advise. :-)
>
> Good choice though.
>
> I fly off a grass strip most of the time. If I
> land at the local airport, I usually pick the
> grass between the taxiway and the runway. For off
> field, sod ops I like 6 psi.
>
> If I am going to be flying predominately off
> pavement, then I go with 8 psi.
>
> These will give you something to start with. You
> can experiment and find the pressure that suits
> your situation best.
>
> Initially I tried everything from 20 psi down to
> what I use now.
>
> john h
>
>
> advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> Share: Share photos & files with other List members.
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: McCreary 8.00 X 6 tires |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> One additional thing (advice?) to keep in mind, is that bigger softer
> tires require more attention to get the wheels parallel with the runway
> when landing in a crosswind on pavement.
> -Ben
Hi Ben/Gang:
The 8.00X6 McCreary Air Tracs are far more
forgiving than what I used to fly with, Armstrong
and Cheng Shin 4 ply 8X6's. They are also trued
and balanced at the plant before they are shipped,
something the low speed cheapies do not do. The
reason for severely unbalanced out of round
problems. Cheaper ain't necessarily better. The
Air Tracs handle and feel 100% better than the off
road stuff.
BTW: Send me your tentative itinerary for S.
California. I may be able to catch up with you
somewhere. If not, maybe in the Sacremento area.
Just got my Las Vegas, SF, and Klamath Falls
Sectionals. Looking at them makes my heart rate
increase. Some beautiful flying out that way.
Gonna let the vert stab paint cure another day
before I try to install. Not a good day here
anyhow to be working at the airstrip. Looks like
tornado weather. We are on the southern edge of
it. Wind blowing like Hell.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: barry@wk.net
UN/SUBSCRIBE
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| Subject: | Re: aileron and flap setup |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
At 05:11 PM 5/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>Woody of the South (Cananada)/Gang:
Cananada?
>]
>I never really thought why it does what it does
>until now. All I know is that ailerons/flaps are
>pushed down and not up while in flight.
Gotta see this one to belive it. Gonna have to make a wing model and
test it in a wind tunnel Anyone out there have an old model airplane wing
they can stick out a car window and see if John or I am right.
>Woody, one of the reasons I initially flew my Mark
>III from the right seat. I knew the factory MK
>III had a terrible tendancy to roll left when
>flown solo from the left seat. Used to have to
>put my right knee up against the stick to take
>some of the load off my right arm when flying
>other than local play time.
So perhaps my left turn is the nature of the beast idea is not total
B.S. Even the company plane had the tendancy. I am sure they rigged it right.
>Not gonna hold it against ya this time. :-)
>
>john h
Not gonna hold it against ya this time :-) :-)
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| Subject: | Re: aerothane and polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Well ....I have just finished rubbing all the crap off of my horizontals
with MEK, went all the way down to the fabric...now I will start over on the
horizontals and the vators....sure glad I only did one side!
I went to the auto parts store today and bought a roll of every kind of
tape they had and I will start on the Bottom of the elevator this time and
see if I get any bleed thru ..and keep going untill I find the right tape.
One thing I will say...it sure came off easy with MEK thinner and a little
65-75 reducer mixed in. 1st thought i might get away with trying to rub off
the bad stuff...but it dissolves so fast I was down to the fabric before i
knew it! Didnt take near as long to rub it off as it did to mask it and put
on all those coats.
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List: |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Barry,
Go to 2nd line under List Related Information.
Bob N.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: aileron and flap setup |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
woody wrote:
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> At 05:11 PM 5/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> >
> >Woody of the South (Cananada)/Gang:
>
> Cananada?
>
> >]
> >I never really thought why it does what it does
> >until now. All I know is that ailerons/flaps are
> >pushed down and not up while in flight.
>
> Gotta see this one to belive it. Gonna have to make a wing model and
> test it in a wind tunnel Anyone out there have an old model airplane wing
> they can stick out a car window and see if John or I am right.
>
> >Woody, one of the reasons I initially flew my Mark
> >III from the right seat. I knew the factory MK
> >III had a terrible tendancy to roll left when
> >flown solo from the left seat. Used to have to
> >put my right knee up against the stick to take
> >some of the load off my right arm when flying
> >other than local play time.
>
> So perhaps my left turn is the nature of the beast idea is not total
> B.S. Even the company plane had the tendancy. I am sure they rigged it right.
>
> >Not gonna hold it against ya this time. :-)
> >
> >john h
>
> Not gonna hold it against ya this time :-) :-)
>
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| Subject: | Re: aileron and flap setup |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Gotta see this one to belive it. Gonna have to make a wing model and
> test it in a wind tunnel Anyone out there have an old model airplane wing
> they can stick out a car window and see if John or I am right.
Woody/Gents:
If you had been paying attention when you flew in
Miss P'fer, you would have noticed they are
depressed in flight. If you weren't, go fly your
MK III, never mind, you have a different
wing.........
Guess I'm going to have to get a witness to prove
my point to the Southerner from Canada.
> So perhaps my left turn is the nature of the beast idea is not total
> B.S. Even the company plane had the tendancy. I am sure they rigged it right.
Don't hold your breath on this one. One year at
Sun and Fun, I got in the newly overhauled factory
MK III. Started my taxi roll and something did
not feel right. Most MK III owners and builders
know the rudder cables are supposed to be crossed
in the tailboom. If they aren't, when the right
pedal is pushed the airplane turns left and vice
versa. :-) Whoever reinstalled the rudder cables
in Pennsylvania forgot to do that. So everything
the "company" does is not done right.
As far as left turns for MK IIIs and Extras, solo
left seat. I'll have to retract my BS accusation
and say Woody is correct. But not in all cases.
Mine has a tendancy to roll right, occassionally.
Since I don't know when it will decide to do this,
I installed a simple bungee forced trim system
that is adjustable from 0 to whatever is required.
If I am a good boy and do good work tomorrow, and
the weather does not turn to crap, I am going to
commit aviation. :-)
john h
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| Subject: | COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
Ok guys, as long as we are on this paint thing i have got a couple
of questions... i'm going to paint it cub yellow and would like some
paint scheme ideas for a novice painter. i have taken pics of my plane
and then with photosuite drawn in some colors and stripes on the pc but
it just looks average... did most of you steal other ideas or did you
come up with your own or did you get them out of a model magazine. i
want my plane to be a head turner and will spend a week taping if i have
too.
thanks in advance,
Gary r. voigt
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
While this site isn't really connected with ULs, it does have a huge
amount of data on a wide range of aircraft.
http:www.aerofiles.com
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy
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| Subject: | Re: UL: aircraft info |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
ah mada misteak!!
the correct URL for areofiles:
http://www.aerofiles.com
mea cuppa overflewith
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Gary,
Make a bunch of photo copies of the top and side view drawings from your
construction manuals. Than go at it with colored pencils or markers until
you come up with a winner.
I must have drawn twenty different schemes before I hit the one I used.
Denny Rowe
Mk-3, PA
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary robert voigt <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt"
<johndeereantique@qwest.net>
>
> Ok guys, as long as we are on this paint thing i have got a couple
> of questions... i'm going to paint it cub yellow and would like some
> paint scheme ideas for a novice painter. i have taken pics of my plane
> and then with photosuite drawn in some colors and stripes on the pc but
> it just looks average... did most of you steal other ideas or did you
> come up with your own or did you get them out of a model magazine. i
> want my plane to be a head turner and will spend a week taping if i have
> too.
>
> thanks in advance,
> Gary r. voigt
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt" <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
Denny, thanks for the info.. i have all the pic angles of my plane but did
not think of the colored pencil thing yet, thats why i asked on the list...
again thanks so much for the info.
Gary r. voigt
do not archive
rowedl@highstream.net wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Gary,
> Make a bunch of photo copies of the top and side view drawings from your
> construction manuals. Than go at it with colored pencils or markers until
> you come up with a winner.
> I must have drawn twenty different schemes before I hit the one I used.
> Denny Rowe
> Mk-3, PA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary robert voigt <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!!
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt"
> <johndeereantique@qwest.net>
> >
> > Ok guys, as long as we are on this paint thing i have got a couple
> > of questions... i'm going to paint it cub yellow and would like some
> > paint scheme ideas for a novice painter. i have taken pics of my plane
> > and then with photosuite drawn in some colors and stripes on the pc but
> > it just looks average... did most of you steal other ideas or did you
> > come up with your own or did you get them out of a model magazine. i
> > want my plane to be a head turner and will spend a week taping if i have
> > too.
> >
> > thanks in advance,
> > Gary r. voigt
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Auto paint and small repairs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
Can
>I sand the auto paint down enough without damaging the fabric that I want
>the patch to stick to? Will it still stick good enough if it proved
>impossible to completely sand away ALL of the auto paint in the area?
> Gentlemen, this is why the poly system paints should be used.
I use an auto paint based system (4 Kolbs now). For patches I have
sanded the area and stuck the patch on with contact cement and then
painted. It looks okay to me but they can be seen when pointed out. A bit
more effort on my part would have made them practically invisible.
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| Subject: | Re: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
]
] Go in the archives and find a picture of my Thunderbird. It is a simple
straight line paint scheme that attracts a lot of attention.
At 06:30 PM 5/5/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gary robert voigt"
><johndeereantique@qwest.net>
>
> Ok guys, as long as we are on this paint thing i have got a couple
>of questions... i'm going to paint it cub yellow and would like some
>paint scheme ideas for a novice painter. i have taken pics of my plane
>and then with photosuite drawn in some colors and stripes on the pc but
>it just looks average... did most of you steal other ideas or did you
>come up with your own or did you get them out of a model magazine. i
>want my plane to be a head turner and will spend a week taping if i have
>too.
>
> thanks in advance,
> Gary r. voigt
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aerothane and Polytone |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
In a message dated 05/03/2003 9:25:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
donghe@one-eleven.net writes:
> Disaster....virtually every edge bled across under the tape feathering out
> into the white....
IAfter carefully pressing the tape down, shoot a light coat of the existing
base color. This will effectively seal the tape and then your next color
will not bleed under.
Bill Varnes
Original FireStar
Audubon NJ
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