---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/08/03: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:25 AM - Re: Fly-In at Winchester VA (James, Ken) 2. 06:13 AM - Re: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! (GeoR38@aol.com) 3. 06:49 AM - Re: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! (Hugh) 4. 08:01 AM - Woody's MKIII mods (Richard Pike) 5. 08:27 AM - Camping at Monument Valley (Larry Bourne) 6. 08:40 AM - Mark 3 for sale (FRED2319@aol.com) 7. 09:08 AM - Re: Mark 3 for sale (Doug Wetzel) 8. 10:59 AM - Re: Mark 3 for sale (FRED2319@aol.com) 9. 11:04 AM - Re: Mark 3 for sale (FRED2319@aol.com) 10. 07:41 PM - Re: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! (woody) 11. 07:45 PM - Re: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! (GeoR38@aol.com) 12. 07:57 PM - test () 13. 08:23 PM - Re: Woody's MKIII mods (woody) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:41 AM PST US From: "James, Ken" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Fly-In at Winchester VA --> Kolb-List message posted by: "James, Ken" Bob Did you know a old marine pilot names Ray " Dallas" Wells he passed away awhile ago he was from Winchester, I lived there about 12 years ago . Reply of page if you like Kjamesdesign@yahoo.com Ken -----Original Message----- From: Bob N. [mailto:ronoy@shentel.net] Subject: Kolb-List: Fly-In at Winchester VA --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." EAA ch 186 will have their Spring Fly-In at Winchester (VA) Regional Airport (OKV)Saturday & Sunday May 17,18. No FAA tower, just friendly folks welcoming anything that flies, including ULs (fat, thin, reg'ler). EAA judging. Pancake breakfast both days, soda &hamburg stand right on ramp. 100LL available, if a fellow ULer needs Mogas I can take cans to nearby gas station (2 mi). Five motels within 2-3 miles, at least five more a coupla miles further. Tie downs available--bring rope if all used up here. Here are the radio freqs: CTAF/UNICOM 122.7 APPR/DEP 120.45 CLRNC DEL 126.15 WX AWOS-3 124.85 Contact me for any questions. Y'all come, heah? Bob N. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:36 AM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 5/7/03 5:26:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, duesouth@govital.net writes: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody > > At 10:44 PM 5/5/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody > > > > > >] > >] Go in the archives and find a picture of my Thunderbird. It is a simple > >straight line paint scheme that attracts a lot of attention. > > > I meant go to the photo share and look for my flying totem pole > "THUNDERBIRD" > > > I looked but couldn't find it ....maybe if you gave the date? George Randolph ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:46 AM PST US From: "Hugh" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hugh" Try this: Nov 16, 02 shows the paint scheme http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/duesouth@govital.net.11.16.2002/ There are some other photos on 2/18 & 3/2/02 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com > > In a message dated 5/7/03 5:26:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > duesouth@govital.net writes: > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody > > > > At 10:44 PM 5/5/2003 -0700, you wrote: > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody > > > > > > > > >] > > >] Go in the archives and find a picture of my Thunderbird. It is a simple > > >straight line paint scheme that attracts a lot of attention. > > > > > > I meant go to the photo share and look for my flying totem pole > > "THUNDERBIRD" > > > > > > I looked but couldn't find it ....maybe if you gave the date? > George Randolph > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:25 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Woody's MKIII mods --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike You widened the MKIII fuselage at the back and also changed the airfoil, and the relationship of the gap seal to the wing. How about a report on how those mods have worked out? Pros? Cons? Enquiring minds want to know... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 05:30 PM 5/7/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody > >Go in the archives and find a picture of my Thunderbird. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:42 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Camping at Monument Valley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I've just received an email from a friend who was camped at Goulding's in Monument Valley last week. He says it's a nice place and all, but there are groups coming in around the end of the time we'll be there, and there won't be any RV campsites. I took the advice the other week, and have reservations for my camper, but if you haven't yet, you'd better. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:55 AM PST US From: FRED2319@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Mark 3 for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: FRED2319@aol.com Hi Guys I still have my Mark 3,582 B drive 5 hr. sense rebuild for sale. No one has came and looked at it had a bunch of calls. Fred Brown Ohio 419 694 4315 $14000 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:51 AM PST US From: Doug Wetzel Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mark 3 for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: Doug Wetzel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Pictures, Fred? Doug Wetzel Seattle, WA - -----Original Message----- From: FRED2319@aol.com [mailto:FRED2319@aol.com] Subject: Kolb-List: Mark 3 for sale - --> Kolb-List message posted by: FRED2319@aol.com Hi Guys I still have my Mark 3,582 B drive 5 hr. sense rebuild for sale. No one has came and looked at it had a bunch of calls. Fred Brown Ohio 419 694 4315 $14000 == == == == -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQA/AwUBPrqA+3OHrG41gAgoEQLrFgCgpk+cP1I0hb/zErIyV6jZUWMFW7cAn2HV oim9SdBtYKFnULV21Ttkvtn7 =HP7v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:33 AM PST US From: FRED2319@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark 3 for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: FRED2319@aol.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:26 AM PST US From: FRED2319@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark 3 for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: FRED2319@aol.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:00 PM PST US From: woody Subject: Re: Kolb-List: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody > > > > > > > > I looked but couldn't find it ....maybe if you gave the date? >George Randolph It should be after sept Kolb Picnic. Perhaps do a search for my name on the kolb Photoshare. I will try to find it later or I could send it to you off list. I am having trouble with my scanner so I can't send you a newer one. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:51 PM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: COLOR AND STRIPING IDEAS!!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 5/8/03 10:41:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, duesouth@govital.net writes: > > > > It should be after sept Kolb Picnic. Perhaps do a search for my name on > the kolb Photoshare. I will try to find it later or I could send it to you > off list. I am having trouble with my scanner so I can't send you a newer > one. > no problem, woody, I found it ....looks great...and I remembered it from before. George Randolph ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:38 PM PST US From: Subject: Kolb-List: test --> Kolb-List message posted by: h sjyjhm ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:49 PM PST US From: woody Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Woody's MKIII mods --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody At 11:01 AM 5/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > >You widened the MKIII fuselage at the back and also changed the airfoil, >and the relationship of the gap seal to the wing. How about a report on how >those mods have worked out? Pros? Cons? Enquiring minds want to know... Where to begin????? I was going to wait untill I had more experience with it before I wrote up a review. The initial problem I have with it is extremely heavy ailerons. Yesterday I finished installing the aileron balances and spade combination. I am hoping this will alleviate some of the heavyness. Because of this I did not do any real testing of the performance. I did enjoy some nice flights however, just needed a lot of muscle to turn it. This may be due to a mistake I made fabricating the ailerons. Late at night I was building them and in my infinite wisdom made the ailerons half the span of the wing and the flaps the other half. Unfortunately I forgot about that little gap there that the prop spins in so my flaps turned out to be only a couple feet long. These big ailerons are hard to move. The ailerons also do not come out to the wing tips. The aircraft does break ground about 32 mph and I have had it up to 85 accidentally. I want to keep it slower until I have doors on it. The wing airfoil came out of one of the EAA flying and glider manuals and was used on the Flying Bathtub. Impressive performance numbers and the same physical sizes and weights as a Kolb. The fuselage tapers at a 4/1 ratio from the wide point of the fuselage and ends abruptly 6 inches before the prop. My theory is that in a factory Kolb the air breaks away from the side at that wide point and causes drag. My air stays on the side until it is ready to go into the prop. Due to the extensive designs modifications I have made it is hard to tell what one specific element did to the performance. The nose is carved out of styrofoam and then fiberglassed. Doing this in the confines of a hanger it looked good. Once out and painted and I was able to stand a distance away from it I noticed the nose sort of droops down like a concord coming in for a landing. I was out in the hanger tonight adding stringers to get rid of that distraction. I will be gluing the fabric on with contact cement and then heat sealing the bond surfaces with the iron and then heat shrinking the fabric. I am going to try a white varathane paint rather than go to the bother of mixing up the 2 part automotive paint and wearing the respirator again. I mounted the 582 engine 2 inches farther back than plans call for. The engine mount holes are now in line with the engine case holes. I use a heavy battery in the front to counteract this but the weight and balance did not show the engine shift to be very significant for the CG. I will be installing a Jabiru after I get a couple more flights in with this present configuration. My Kolb also is defined as a parasol wing. The cabin does not run up into the leading edge. There is a 5 inch gap between the top of the cockpit and the bottom surface of my non removable gap seal. My theory on that was to gain an extra 3 feet of wing area and eliminate the drag caused by 2 separate wings in this area. It also gave me the design opportunity to make the cockpit sleeker and lower like a sports car rather than an old station wagon. I wish TNK would give me an opportunity to redesign the front enclosure of the Kolbra. A new pod could be built without changing the steel structure. It would sell a lot better if it was prettier. Not much else to say about it at this time except that my bottom tail wires are a bit different. My wire tangs are permanently bolted to the tail post. The wires are connected to these tangs with a clevis, a bolt, wing nut and a safety pin on each side. I find it easier to hook them up and the brace wires are tighter. I just discovered I did not post a bottom inflight picture to photo share. I did now so some day soon matt will post a new bunch of pictures and it will be there. If interested I can send it on request.