---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/13/03: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:01 AM - Re: zinc oxide (Larry Bourne) 2. 12:07 AM - Re: Monument Valley - Campfire Wood (Larry Bourne) 3. 06:12 AM - Re: Kolb Twinstar For Sale (KolbTwinstar@aol.com) 4. 06:12 AM - Re: Monument Valley - Campfire Wood (Dave & Eve Pelletier) 5. 06:17 AM - Re: Mark III VG's (Larry Cottrell) 6. 06:23 AM - What's wrong with an original Ultrastar? (Ed Steuber) 7. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: Mark III VG's (Richard Pike) 8. 07:23 AM - pilot cg (boyd young) 9. 07:44 AM - Re: Insurance (VIC) 10. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: Insurance (Larry Bourne) 11. 09:12 AM - Re: pilot cg () 12. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: pilot cg (Terry) 13. 10:49 AM - Re: Monument Valley - Campfire Wood (kuffel) 14. 02:10 PM - Re: Prop Spacer (DAquaNut@aol.com) 15. 02:52 PM - Re: Prop Spacer (Jack & Louise Hart) 16. 04:53 PM - Re: Monument Valley - Campfire Wood (Larry Bourne) 17. 05:02 PM - Great News!! (Paul Petty) 18. 06:40 PM - Original Firestar rear bellcrank (Ed Bonsell) 19. 06:49 PM - Re: Great News!! (Richard Swiderski) 20. 06:58 PM - Re: Prop Spacer (Richard Swiderski) 21. 08:10 PM - Re: Re: Insurance (jerb) 22. 08:15 PM - Re: Prop Spacer (jerb) 23. 08:21 PM - 582 for sale (Mhqqqqq@aol.com) 24. 08:27 PM - Re: Great News!! (Larry Bourne) 25. 09:26 PM - Aero Vee 2002 (NBD) 26. 09:37 PM - Re: Great News!! () 27. 09:49 PM - Re: Aero Vee 2002 () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:23 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: zinc oxide --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" In the same vein......................I ordered a sheet of lexan a couple of years ago, cut in 1/2, so that it'd ship in a 4 ft square package. Had to come by truck from Corona to here - about 60 miles, and about a dollar a mile. Next time, I'll go get it myself. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Davis - Comcast" Subject: Kolb-List: zinc oxide > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Chuck Davis - Comcast > > I was doing a little shopping in Aircraft Spruce. A spray can of Zinc Oxide > primer is $6.80. However, the additional shipping due to a "hazardous item" > is over $20. > > > When I added a quart of tube seal (smallest size available) the shipping > charges went up another 30+ USD. > > > Can any one suggest some alternatives / alternative sources (local > availability?) that are not so economically non-sensible? > > > Chuck Davis > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:34 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley - Campfire Wood --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Yah, my thoughts exactly, but you seldom see 'em here, and ferociously expensive when you do. Figured I'd wait till I get to Prescott, AZ and look in the markets there. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerb" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley - Campfire Wood > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > What about them fire place log they sell by the case. They actually work > pretty good for camp fires and last just about a whole evening. Used to > use them at Oshkosh. > jerb > > At 10:02 AM 5/12/03 -0700, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > > >Good thought. I'll see what I can find.................tho' there's no > >firewood here in the desert, either. Anyone else ?? > >Lar. Do not Archive. > > > >Larry Bourne > >Palm Springs, CA > >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > >www.gogittum.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM" > >To: > >Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley - Campfire Wood > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM > > > > > > > > Kolb Friends - > > > > > > There's been lots of talk about folks who are driving and bringing folding > > > chairs and things to drink. > > > But here's another item that we should consider: There is NO firewood to > >be > > > found in that area. Could somebody who's driving (Big Lar ??) possibly > > > bring some firewood? An evening campfire is a great end-of-day place to > > > share stories & fellowship with our other group members - would hate to > >miss > > > out on that aspect of a campout! > > > > > > Dennis Kirby > > > New Mexico > > > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:44 AM PST US From: KolbTwinstar@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Twinstar For Sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: KolbTwinstar@aol.com Due to cutbacks at my job I'm forced to sell my Kolb. Kolb aircraft N560TB New Rotax 503CDI with a new ground adjustable Warp Prop Paint (Poly Tone) is white with blue and black trim Fly's Great! Asking $10,950 I also have a 24ft. fully enclosed trailer with electric hoist I would sell with it if needed. Plus kolb accessories. Tracy Briggs 74 Gallop Lane Wentzville Mo. 63385 314-258-1061 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:53 AM PST US From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley - Campfire Wood --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" I've got quite a bit of wood - construction stuff. It's what we use at Bluegrass festivals. I'll bring at least three boxes, which should be plenty for what we'll need. Y'don't have to spend the $$$ to buy the stuff because I'll have plenty. AzDave ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerb" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley - Campfire Wood > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > What about them fire place log they sell by the case. They actually work > pretty good for camp fires and last just about a whole evening. Used to > use them at Oshkosh. > jerb > > At 10:02 AM 5/12/03 -0700, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > > >Good thought. I'll see what I can find.................tho' there's no > >firewood here in the desert, either. Anyone else ?? > >Lar. Do not Archive. > > > >Larry Bourne > >Palm Springs, CA > >Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > >www.gogittum.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM" > >To: > >Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley - Campfire Wood > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM > > > > > > > > Kolb Friends - > > > > > > There's been lots of talk about folks who are driving and bringing folding > > > chairs and things to drink. > > > But here's another item that we should consider: There is NO firewood to > >be > > > found in that area. Could somebody who's driving (Big Lar ??) possibly > > > bring some firewood? An evening campfire is a great end-of-day place to > > > share stories & fellowship with our other group members - would hate to > >miss > > > out on that aspect of a campout! > > > > > > Dennis Kirby > > > New Mexico > > > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:40 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III VG's --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" Has anybody out there put VG's on a Mark III yet? The performance of the Mark III with flaps is great, but I keep wondering ???? Thanks, Larry do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:03 AM PST US From: "Ed Steuber" Subject: Kolb-List: What's wrong with an original Ultrastar? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Steuber" Ronnie, The original Ultrastar is a great machine as is....the original intentions for the design were met but with any good design there is always somebody that thinks he can make it better......My problem was created by myself after modifying the cage by streamlining it and putting in a center line stick. The Ultrastar was cruising at much higher cruise speeds and with normal Cuyuna power settings was going too fast for the aileron response that was very disturbing when a steep bank was initiated at these higher speeds. The Ultrastar would tend to stay in the bank or increase it even with opposite aileron. Top rudder was usually the way to get it level again but it just did not feel right to this old Agcat pilot. Usually when you change something on a homebuilt you create a chain reaction that you start chasing and sometimes never catch.....but I don't take my own advice and just go nuts... Richard...I really want to add the ends to the ailerons and incorporate the balance weights.... I was already thinking about a solution to the .028 tubes.....to err on the safe side I was thinking of replacing both with .049 and adding some angle to the bottom wing ribs (as per previous advice) for added compression strength to help the wing warp at higher cruise speeds. I am also adding the steel ring at the butt rib for the same reason.....I think I will also make the end hinge much longer to take the extra load at the wing tip.......more weight and no longer a true ultralight....the chain reaction keeps getting worse....now I gotta get it inspected cause it will be too heavy... AAARGH ! Ronnie... don't change a thing ! ! Just fly it and "be happy" . Tinkeritis Ed in Western NY ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:02 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III VG's --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Not yet, but soon... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 06:18 AM 5/13/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" > >Has anybody out there put VG's on a Mark III yet? The performance of the >Mark III with flaps is great, but I keep wondering ???? >Thanks, >Larry >do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:19 AM PST US From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: pilot cg --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" Mk-3 drivers, What figure did you all use for the pilot/passenger cg point when working your weight and balance sheets? I get 2.5 to 3 inches in front of the leading edge datum point, just want to check against what others measured. Denny Rowe Denny when i weighed a couple months ago i weighed the plane empty then with me in it... subtracted out the diferences in the wheel weights and calculated -3 1/2 inches..... for what it is worth i do not have original seats.... but they are very close to the cg figures i had with the original. boyd ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:40 AM PST US From: "VIC" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Insurance --> Kolb-List message posted by: "VIC" Bill and others looking for insurance: I am the committee chairperson for the USUA insurance committee and USUA is working very hard to find insurance. We have some leads but at this time we have not been able to put together a program. If anyone knows a company offering insurance, please let me know so I can contact them. I recommend you monitor the USUA Web page www.usua.org to keep up to date on what is going on with insurance. USUA had offered insurance for $155 but only 300 people purchased the coverage so the underwriter pulled the plug on the program. That left Mahoney as the lone source for insurance and they are no longer taking phone calls. I was told that JMB Insurance www.jmbins.com could write a $250,000 policy with a $5,000 deductible for $750 per year. JMB is not endorsed by USUA. I anyone can help with the insurance problem, please contact me. Vic Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:02 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Insurance --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I re-newed my policies with Avemco just yesterday, and was told that they wouldn't offer any form of insurance once the plane is powered. Not just for flight............when the engine is running. Told me to try Falcon Insurance, thru EAA. I'm sure you've probably tried them, but just in case............................. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "VIC" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Insurance > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "VIC" > > Bill and others looking for insurance: > > I am the committee chairperson for the USUA insurance committee and USUA is > working very hard to find insurance. We have some leads but at this time we > have not been able to put together a program. If anyone knows a company > offering insurance, please let me know so I can contact them. I recommend > you monitor the USUA Web page www.usua.org to keep up to date on what is > going on with insurance. > > USUA had offered insurance for $155 but only 300 people purchased the > coverage so the underwriter pulled the plug on the program. That left > Mahoney as the lone source for insurance and they are no longer taking phone > calls. I was told that JMB Insurance www.jmbins.com could write a $250,000 > policy with a $5,000 deductible for $750 per year. JMB is not endorsed by > USUA. > > I anyone can help with the insurance problem, please contact me. > > Vic > > Do Not Archive > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:15 AM PST US From: Subject: Kolb-List: Re: pilot cg --> Kolb-List message posted by: Thanks Boyd, It looks like I am going with the 3 inch measurement for FAA inspection, if I use 2.5" my cg goes past 37% with emty tanks and my 185# butt in the seat. Using 3" I just make it inside the rear cg limit throughout my fuel range which is 0 - 60 pounds. This baby is going to be quite the hauler, with full fuel and myself, I have 280# of room under the max gross limit of 1000#. My foreward cg limit of 20% cord would require a 450# passenger with a belly button 12 inches in front of mine to reach. We should have plenty of elevator trim to handle passengers. One problem I have is that my co-owner Jay Swager only weighs 145# soaking wet, so I'll have to come up with some kind of removable ballast on the passenger side floor pan for Jay to fly solo. The 23rd is coming fast, I'm still trying to get all the i's dotted and t ' s crossed before inspector man gets here. Denny Mk-3 N616DR Leechburg PA ----- Original Message ----- From: boyd young To: kolb-list@matronics.com ; rowedl@highstream.net Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: pilot cg Mk-3 drivers, What figure did you all use for the pilot/passenger cg point when working your weight and balance sheets? I get 2.5 to 3 inches in front of the leading edge datum point, just want to check against what others measured. Denny Rowe Denny when i weighed a couple months ago i weighed the plane empty then with me in it... subtracted out the diferences in the wheel weights and calculated -3 1/2 inches..... for what it is worth i do not have original seats.... but they are very close to the cg figures i had with the original. boyd ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:45 AM PST US From: "Terry" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: pilot cg --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Terry" Denny, I weigh 165# and did the removable ballast thing when testing my plane. I fastened a small duffel bag in the nose, got some lead shot, packaged it in zip lock bags, 5 lbs per bag, put them in the duffel bag and zipped it shut. I was then able to remove 5 lbs at a time and test fly. I no longer use any ballast. Terry One problem I have is that my co-owner Jay Swager only weighs 145# soaking wet, so I'll have to come up with some kind of removable ballast on the passenger side floor pan for Jay to fly solo. The 23rd is coming fast, I'm still trying to get all the i's dotted and t ' s crossed before inspector man gets here. Denny ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:16 AM PST US From: kuffel Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley - Campfire Wood --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel Big Lar sez: <> I can also bring some firewood. And if it catches fire in the air I can put it out with the beer. do not archive Tom Kuffel ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:15 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Spacer --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com Group, Im getting ready to order the 447 engine kit for my firefly now that I finally finnished building my enclosed trailer. Does the firefly come with a prop spacer or does it need one? I was at a flyin last weekend & there was a guy there with a firestar11 . He showed me the ding he had in the aileron tube. He said that he got the ding when the Ivo prop struck the tube just after start up. It looked like he had plenty of clearance. Is the Ivo more prone to this problem or is it a problem with all composite props? I just want to do all I can to keek this from happening to me Comments, Ed ( in Houston) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:39 PM PST US From: Jack & Louise Hart Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Spacer --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart At 05:08 PM 5/13/03 EDT, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com > > > Group, > Im getting ready to order the 447 engine kit for my firefly now >that I finally finnished building my enclosed trailer. Does the firefly come >with a prop spacer or does it need one? I was at a flyin last weekend & >there was a guy there with a firestar11 . He showed me the ding he had in the >aileron tube. He said that he got the ding when the Ivo prop struck the tube >just after start up. It looked like he had plenty of clearance. Is the Ivo >more prone to this problem or is it a problem with all composite props? I >just want to do all I can to keek this from happening to me > > Comments, > Ed ( in Houston) > Ed, A prop spacer is a good idea. Mine came with the parts kit that included the IVO propeller too from the old Kolb Company. I assume the spacer was made by IVO. The best I remember is that IVO recommends a minimum of five inch clearance between the blade and the nearest part of the plane. It is easy to measure how close the propeller comes to the aileron tubes while flying. See: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly83.html Good luck, Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO Jack & Louise Hart jbhart@ldd.net ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:00 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley - Campfire Wood --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Don't waste good beer ! ! ! JUMP ! ! ! Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "kuffel" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley - Campfire Wood > --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel > > Big Lar sez: > > <> > > I can also bring some firewood. And if it catches fire in the air I can > put it out with the beer. > > do not archive > > Tom Kuffel > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:23 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Great News!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Kolbers, I sold the Buell today!!! Called Linda @ TNK and set up a visit for 5/23/03. Plan to ride in the M3X and order kit 1. Getting fired up here!!! pp.... N4958P Do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:57 PM PST US From: "Ed Bonsell" Subject: Kolb-List: Original Firestar rear bellcrank --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Bonsell" .....there was a problem with the weld on the aft bellcrank breaking on a few...... Thanks for the responses Ralph and John, This also happened to a Firestar kept outside at the field I flew out of. It was surmised that the plane was left tied down for an unknown period of time without the stick tied down. The resulting whipping back and forth in the wind eventually broke the weld. I have seen my ailerons whip back and forth so I always tie the stick down when I'm not in it outside. A quick builder for the old Kolb Co. I know said they started sending out the little Z shaped fittings after a few bolts broke. Does anyone know the specs? I checked my bolt and there are no sign of cracks. I was never very heavy handed on the stick but as long as I'm rebuilding I might as well put one on. Sincerely, Ed Bonsell ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:06 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Great News!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" Way to go Paul! When you have it built and your Harley is mounted on top, and you are strapped inside with a grin on your face, you'll be in Hog Heaven. Hey, maybe that might just be a possible name?! Richard Swiderski SlingShot waiting for its Turbo Sprint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Great News!! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Kolbers, > I sold the Buell today!!! Called Linda @ TNK and set up a visit for 5/23/03. Plan to ride in the M3X and order kit 1. > > Getting fired up here!!! > > > pp.... > N4958P > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:04 PM PST US From: "Richard Swiderski" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Spacer --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" Ed, If Rotax just would come out of the Stone Age and put an advance curve in their ignition so we wouldn't have to start our engines at full advance, and watch our planes go through the shakes on every start, no one would need a spacer. But as it is, Ivo's are best used with a spacer. ...Richard Swiderski ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Spacer > --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com > > > Group, > Im getting ready to order the 447 engine kit for my firefly now > that I finally finnished building my enclosed trailer. Does the firefly come > with a prop spacer or does it need one? I was at a flyin last weekend & > there was a guy there with a firestar11 . He showed me the ding he had in the > aileron tube. He said that he got the ding when the Ivo prop struck the tube > just after start up. It looked like he had plenty of clearance. Is the Ivo > more prone to this problem or is it a problem with all composite props? I > just want to do all I can to keek this from happening to me > > Comments, > Ed ( in Houston) > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:41 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Insurance --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb The reason you only got 300 was the stipulations you had. Their were so many USUA you had ta's, that it severely limited who could qualify or would want to go through all the bull. Last time I seen it I would have to be a member, register as a pilot, and have completed a training course with a BFI flying a type of airplane that I do not fly. I couldn't qualify. Being GA background and sticking to 3 axis aircraft, I found I had little difficulty making the transition to UL aircraft. My hangar partner and myself would have purchased liability for that amount and maybe memberships but ..... to many hoops and too much entanglement to make money within USUA at the time. I'm more interested in liability and protection for fire or theft, less interest for hull in motion. Nobody is listening here, not EAA, nor USUA. Head up their ass AOPA just wants to provides sources for life insurance while their membership needed hangar and liability insurance. As a result USUA only gets the subscription fee for UL Flying magazine and may not get that much longer. Fed up with the abc org's, jerb At 08:41 AM 5/13/03 -0600, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "VIC" > >Bill and others looking for insurance: > >I am the committee chairperson for the USUA insurance committee and USUA is >working very hard to find insurance. We have some leads but at this time we >have not been able to put together a program. If anyone knows a company >offering insurance, please let me know so I can contact them. I recommend >you monitor the USUA Web page www.usua.org to keep up to date on what is >going on with insurance. > >USUA had offered insurance for $155 but only 300 people purchased the >coverage so the underwriter pulled the plug on the program. That left >Mahoney as the lone source for insurance and they are no longer taking phone >calls. I was told that JMB Insurance www.jmbins.com could write a $250,000 >policy with a $5,000 deductible for $750 per year. JMB is not endorsed by >USUA. > >I anyone can help with the insurance problem, please contact me. > >Vic > >Do Not Archive > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:06 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Spacer --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb When I got my FireFly kit back in 95, it was part of the engine/prop kit. Not sure what the new company includes. Dennis told me the spacer put the prop in cleaner air thus reducing the vibration and noise level as blades passed the trailing edge of the wing. jerb At 04:50 PM 5/13/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart > >At 05:08 PM 5/13/03 EDT, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com > > > > > > Group, > > Im getting ready to order the 447 engine kit for my firefly now > >that I finally finnished building my enclosed trailer. Does the firefly > come > >with a prop spacer or does it need one? I was at a flyin last weekend & > >there was a guy there with a firestar11 . He showed me the ding he had > in the > >aileron tube. He said that he got the ding when the Ivo prop struck the > tube > >just after start up. It looked like he had plenty of clearance. Is the Ivo > >more prone to this problem or is it a problem with all composite props? I > >just want to do all I can to keek this from happening to me > > > > Comments, > > Ed ( in Houston) > > >Ed, > >A prop spacer is a good idea. Mine came with the parts kit that included >the IVO propeller too from the old Kolb Company. I assume the spacer was >made by IVO. The best I remember is that IVO recommends a minimum of five >inch clearance between the blade and the nearest part of the plane. > >It is easy to measure how close the propeller comes to the aileron tubes >while flying. See: > >http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly83.html > >Good luck, > >Jack B. Hart FF004 >Jackson, MO > > >Jack & Louise Hart >jbhart@ldd.net > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:47 PM PST US From: Mhqqqqq@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: 582 for sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mhqqqqq@aol.com I saw a few weeks ago Jim gerken has his 582 for sale, I know jim and if I needed a 582 I would jump on this and think more of it than a new one, this engine has been great for him and I know how much detail he put into taking care of it. anyone who needs a 582 should grab this one, it is better than new. mark twinstar minnesota ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:30 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Great News!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" That IS great news, Paul. Just to keep you interested; until that thing flies, remember - you'll only own a "Ground-Hawg." What'll it be when flying ?? "Hawg-Heaven ??" Hmmmm, lessee.....................Cessna made the "Sky Hawk," so maybe yours can be the "Sky Hawg ??" :-) Good Luck to ya ! ! ! Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Great News!! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Kolbers, > I sold the Buell today!!! Called Linda @ TNK and set up a visit for 5/23/03. Plan to ride in the M3X and order kit 1. > > Getting fired up here!!! > > > pp.... > N4958P > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:19 PM PST US From: "NBD" Subject: Kolb-List: Aero Vee 2002 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "NBD" Has anyone looked at the Aero Vee 2002 engine as a possibility for use on the MKIII? http://www.aeroconversions.com Regards Noel Kolb MK III Classic New Hampshire http://www.bailinair.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:13 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Great News!! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Congrats Paul! You will be starting your Kolb journey on the same day I hope to be getting my Airworthiness certificate. Good Luck. Denny Rowe Mk-3 N616DR PA ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Petty Subject: Kolb-List: Great News!! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" > > Kolbers, > I sold the Buell today!!! Called Linda @ TNK and set up a visit for 5/23/03. Plan to ride in the M3X and order kit 1. > > Getting fired up here!!! > > > pp.... > N4958P > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:00 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Aero Vee 2002 --> Kolb-List message posted by: Noel, The direct drive VW's are better suited for the faster planes like the Sonex. At Kolb speeds, you need a reduction on the VW's to get good performaance. Than they get a little on the heavy side, but we do have a few Mk-3 drivers here on the list with reductions on their VW's, some flying and at least one soon to be. Denny Rowe Mk-3, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: NBD Subject: Kolb-List: Aero Vee 2002 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "NBD" > > Has anyone looked at the Aero Vee 2002 engine as a possibility for use on > the MKIII? > > http://www.aeroconversions.com > > > Regards > Noel > Kolb MK III Classic > New Hampshire > http://www.bailinair.com > >