Kolb-List Digest Archive

Thu 05/22/03


Total Messages Posted: 22



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:08 AM - Re: ideas (Richard Pike)
     2. 07:37 AM - FirestarII seating (Kirk Smith)
     3. 08:00 AM - Re: FirestarII seating (Larry Bourne)
     4. 08:07 AM - Re: Is this legal? (Don Gherardini)
     5. 08:28 AM - Re: Is this legal? (jerb)
     6. 08:36 AM - Re: FirestarII seating (Kirk Smith)
     7. 09:31 AM - Re: Is this legal? (Olenik Aviation)
     8. 09:55 AM - Re: FirestarII seating (John Cooley)
     9. 10:39 AM - Re: Landing Gear (Larry Bourne)
    10. 01:16 PM - Re: Landing Gear (John Cooley)
    11. 02:37 PM - Re: FirestarII seating (snuffy@usol.com)
    12. 02:39 PM - Re: Is this legal? (Don Gherardini)
    13. 03:01 PM - MV (Jim Hauck)
    14. 07:21 PM - Useless tach (Richard Pike)
    15. 07:23 PM - Inpection delay. ()
    16. 08:34 PM - Re: Inpection delay. (WillUribe@aol.com)
    17. 08:40 PM - Re: Useless tach (jerb)
    18. 09:04 PM - Re: Useless tach (Richard Pike)
    19. 09:38 PM - Re: Inpection delay. (Larry Bourne)
    20. 09:45 PM - Monument Valley (Larry Bourne)
    21. 10:11 PM - Re: Monument Valley (Larry Bourne)
    22. 11:18 PM - Re: Monument Valley (kuffel)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:08:19 AM PST US
    From: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: ideas
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> At 12:01 AM 5/22/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net> > >Richard, >Where exactly are you using this - I sensed it something to do with fuel >tank but not sure what your trying to accomplish. In the mean time I'll do >some search on the type you should be using. Does this involve fiber glass >such as fuel tanks. A few years back we used T88 to adhere a flange for a >threaded fuel valve to the bottom of a fiber glass fuel tank. It worked >fine and help up without any problems. If you use T88, don't use old >stuff, it will not cure well. Today with the reformulated gas, not sure >how it would hold up. Guess you'll have to test it for us. >jerb The main tank on my MKIII is made of fiberglass cloth and T88 epoxy. I had to reshape the top of the tank and relocate the filler opening, and used some epoxy from the local hobby shop that was non-mogas resistant. Ground that off back to the original good stuff. To repair: since I didn't want to wait for shipping to get more T88, I bought some epoxy locally, mixed it up and laid up 4 plys of a small test section and let it cure. After it cured, I submerged it for 24 hours in a container of mogas. No effect, and peel strength was excellent. I decided it was acceptable for my purposes, repaired and reinstalled the tank and it is doing fine. My problems with the 582 are subtle. Today I am pulling off the gearbox, the engine is acting as if the primary gear on the end of the crank is intermittently slipping, as if it were not torqued tight enough by the dealer I bought the engine from. Unlikely, but I want the peace of mind of checking it out myself. Do Not Archive Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)


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    Time: 07:37:17 AM PST US
    From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
    Subject: FirestarII seating
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com> How much room is in the jump seat of a Firestar II? My girlfriend is 5' 6" and 130 lbs. Is there sufficient room for her? Thanks! Kirk


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    Time: 08:00:37 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
    Subject: Re: FirestarII seating
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> Last November I rode in the jump seat of George Thompson's FireStar II. I'm 6', 200 lbs, and I fit. Won't say it was comfortable, but I did fit, and I enjoyed the ride. Got a cramp in my left hip, but had to just wait it out. Sometimes these things just must be Bourne. :-) Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com> Subject: Kolb-List: FirestarII seating > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com> > > How much room is in the jump seat of a Firestar II? My girlfriend is 5' 6" and 130 lbs. Is there sufficient room for her? Thanks! Kirk > >


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    Time: 08:07:32 AM PST US
    From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
    Subject: Re: Is this legal?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net> Tom, You might review the federal trade act. We have some expierience with that around here, and it generally addresses the relationship between Wholesalers and retailers, with the emphasis on protecting the retailers. Generally, it is my understanding that a wholesaler, of any kind..be it a distributor or a manufacturer, CANNOT dictate where and for how much a product can be retailed. In other words....no "territories for retail" or prices for retail can be dictated. This is where we coined the term "manuf. Suggested retail price".....it cannot be dictated..only "suggested" and no penalties can be enforced upon a retailer for not adhereing . And no manufacturer or wholesaler can dictate to a retailer just "WHERE" he can sell an item , so anyone dictating territories for RETAIL is in violation. OF course pressure can be brought upon a retailer in other ways......Usually discount levels are compromised...or dating....if a retailer is dealing with a wholesaler whom likes to push. Now...Conversely, relationships between manufacturers and wholesalers are not governed generally, and for the purposes of "DISTRIBUTION", the difference between a "Retailer" and a "Wholesaler" is decided by who collects the sales tax from the end user. I believe a manufacturer can create just about any rules he decides for "Wholesale Distribution". These relationships are not covered by many laws and have only evolved from court decisions over the years resulting from lawsuits. I can tell you that if you have reciived any pressure from a "manufacturer" or a "distributor" that resulted in you giving up any other products so as to become an "Exclusive" distributor or wholesaler of a said companies products, and the company then denies you the distribution rights.( takes the line away)....you can clean their clock in court....this has been done and set a precident just a few years ago that sent waves of new wholesale agreements out in this country to eliminate and language to suggest a wholesaler become exclusive to a product line by eliminating any other lines he carried...competitive or not..... If I read you post correctly....the question is of the legality of any unfavorable "wholesale" rules....and I believe the answer is Yes....they can make any dang rules they want to concerning just where and who a "Retailer" buys from....but NOT where he RETAILS or for how much . It is unfortunate, as practices to keep wholesale prices high result from these tactics, and they usually result in a wholesaler dictateing volume requirements that do in effect reduce the competition with their products and in return for the wholesaler meeting these volume requirements...he recieves a guarantee of "territory" or a number of existing accounts..or a market share. A savvy sales manager will consider markets and attempt to require his wholesale customers buy at a volume level (to maintain discount levels) to effectivly "push" the competitors out. (We call this "tieing up the account" in this Biz). These are common wholesale biz tactics practiced by mostly by foregin countries (generally the socialist ones)that import products into the united states, so without really knowing you or your situation, I can guess who you are talking about. Of course a few American companies have adopted these practices also, some by requirement from a manufacturer..and some by choice. Good Luck Tom.....it can be a tuff fight Don Gherardini Sales / Engineering dept. American Honda Engines Power Equipment Company 800-626-7326


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    Time: 08:28:23 AM PST US
    From: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
    Subject: Re: Is this legal?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net> Often there are sales territories assigned to distributors, example US, or East, Central, West. Supposed to help insure the success of the distributor and help them recover for local support and advertising cost. Bad side is they may be a lousy run operation, mess up you orders, not be responsive, and gouge you since you have limited alternatives. I've also seen some price enforcement practices by HP, ever notice the prices of HP printers when advertised are very close to each other. Then there's MicroSuck. jerb


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    Time: 08:36:49 AM PST US
    From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
    Subject: Re: FirestarII seating
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com> Last November I rode in the jump seat of George Thompson's FireStar II. I'm > 6', 200 lbs, and I fit. Won't say it was comfortable, but I did fit, and I > enjoyed the ride. Got a cramp in my left hip, but had to just wait it out. > Sometimes these things just must be Bourne. :-) Lar. Well then , she should fit comfortably. Looks like I'll be back in the air soon. Thanks Lar........... Do not archive


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    Time: 09:31:25 AM PST US
    From: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com>
    Subject: Is this legal?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Olenik Aviation" <olenik-aviation@buyitsellitfixit.com> So a distributor can not legally limit a dealer from dealing in competitive products or limit a dealer's retail territory? Is that what you are saying? Can they legally prevent a dealer from advertising their retail business in any territory? Thank you very much for the info so far. Tom Olenik Olenik Aviation http://www.buyitsellitfixit.com Toll Free: 877-AIR-MOTORS DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Don Gherardini Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Is this legal? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net> Tom, You might review the federal trade act. We have some expierience with that around here, and it generally addresses the relationship between Wholesalers and retailers, with the emphasis on protecting the retailers. Generally, it is my understanding that a wholesaler, of any kind..be it a distributor or a manufacturer, CANNOT dictate where and for how much a product can be retailed. In other words....no "territories for retail" or prices for retail can be dictated. This is where we coined the term "manuf. Suggested retail price".....it cannot be dictated..only "suggested" and no penalties can be enforced upon a retailer for not adhereing . And no manufacturer or wholesaler can dictate to a retailer just "WHERE" he can sell an item , so anyone dictating territories for RETAIL is in violation. OF course pressure can be brought upon a retailer in other ways......Usually discount levels are compromised...or dating....if a retailer is dealing with a wholesaler whom likes to push. Now...Conversely, relationships between manufacturers and wholesalers are not governed generally, and for the purposes of "DISTRIBUTION", the difference between a "Retailer" and a "Wholesaler" is decided by who collects the sales tax from the end user. I believe a manufacturer can create just about any rules he decides for "Wholesale Distribution". These relationships are not covered by many laws and have only evolved from court decisions over the years resulting from lawsuits. I can tell you that if you have reciived any pressure from a "manufacturer" or a "distributor" that resulted in you giving up any other products so as to become an "Exclusive" distributor or wholesaler of a said companies products, and the company then denies you the distribution rights.( takes the line away)....you can clean their clock in court....this has been done and set a precident just a few years ago that sent waves of new wholesale agreements out in this country to eliminate and language to suggest a wholesaler become exclusive to a product line by eliminating any other lines he carried...competitive or not..... If I read you post correctly....the question is of the legality of any unfavorable "wholesale" rules....and I believe the answer is Yes....they can make any dang rules they want to concerning just where and who a "Retailer" buys from....but NOT where he RETAILS or for how much . It is unfortunate, as practices to keep wholesale prices high result from these tactics, and they usually result in a wholesaler dictateing volume requirements that do in effect reduce the competition with their products and in return for the wholesaler meeting these volume requirements...he recieves a guarantee of "territory" or a number of existing accounts..or a market share. A savvy sales manager will consider markets and attempt to require his wholesale customers buy at a volume level (to maintain discount levels) to effectivly "push" the competitors out. (We call this "tieing up the account" in this Biz). These are common wholesale biz tactics practiced by mostly by foregin countries (generally the socialist ones)that import products into the united states, so without really knowing you or your situation, I can guess who you are talking about. Of course a few American companies have adopted these practices also, some by requirement from a manufacturer..and some by choice. Good Luck Tom.....it can be a tuff fight Don Gherardini Sales / Engineering dept. American Honda Engines Power Equipment Company 800-626-7326


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    Time: 09:55:48 AM PST US
    From: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
    Subject: Re: FirestarII seating
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com> Hi Kirk and Gang,=0D =0D My wife is very close to your girlfriends height and maybe weighs 5 lbs less She fits in the back seat of my Firestar ok. It is pretty tight getting in and out for anyone. My wife usually fly's with me for 45 minutes or so with no problem. I'm working on my MK III landing gear right now doing the John Hauck special to it. Really look forward to having enough room and HP to take larger passengers. =0D =0D Later,=0D John Cooley=0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D =0D --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>=0D =0D How much room is in the jump seat of a Firestar II? My girlfriend is 5' 6" and 130 lbs. Is there sufficient room for her? Thanks! Kirk=0D =0D


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    Time: 10:39:06 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
    Subject: Re: Landing Gear
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> I re-named this for the change in subject............................John, I'm real interested in progress reports on your landing gear. Please keep us posted. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FirestarII seating > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com> > > Hi Kirk and Gang,=0D > =0D > My wife is very close to your girlfriends height and maybe weighs 5 lbs less > She fits in the back seat of my Firestar ok. It is pretty tight getting in > and out for anyone. My wife usually fly's with me for 45 minutes or so with > no problem. I'm working on my MK III landing gear right now doing the John > Hauck special to it. Really look forward to having enough room and HP to > take larger passengers. =0D > =0D > Later,=0D > John Cooley=0D > =0D > =0D > -------Original Message-------=0D > =0D > =0D > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>=0D > =0D > How much room is in the jump seat of a Firestar II? My girlfriend is 5' 6" > and 130 lbs. Is there sufficient room for her? Thanks! Kirk=0D > =0D > >


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    Time: 01:16:11 PM PST US
    From: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
    Subject: Re: Landing Gear
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com> Hi Big Lar and gang,=0D =0D Will do. So far have I have cut out the old cross bar in the bottom of the cage and fitted the main truss system that is made out of .75 x .049 square tubing. Lot's of tedious fitting and getting the powder coat off the cage in the area of the welds is a real pain. May put some photo's on photo-share later on. =0D =0D I would like to publicly thank Jim and John Hauck for talking the time to answer my questions and providing me with the info on material sizes etc. It is very much appreciated and one of the things that makes this list so great I don't have to make mistakes. John has already done it and had Jim correct it till it's a proven system. =0D =0D Do not archive=0D =0D Later,=0D John Cooley=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D =0D --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>=0D =0D I re-named this for the change in subject............................John,=0D I'm real interested in progress reports on your landing gear. Please keep=0D us posted. Lar.=0D =0D Larry Bourne=0D Palm Springs, CA=0D Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB=0D www.gogittum.com=0D


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    Time: 02:37:00 PM PST US
    From: snuffy@usol.com
    Subject: Re: FirestarII seating
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: snuffy@usol.com > Hi Kirk and Gang,=0D > =0D > My wife is very close to your girlfriends height and maybe weighs 5 lbs less > She fits in the back seat of my Firestar ok. It is pretty tight getting in > and out for anyone. My wife usually fly's with me for 45 minutes or so with > no problem. Thanks John, I have an unfinished Mark 3 and am looking at purchasing a Firestar II as I really think it is more suited to my uses. Will buy one already built. Don't know what I'll do with the Mark 3. Don't what it's worth as it is.............Kirk Do not archive


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    Time: 02:39:46 PM PST US
    From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
    Subject: Re: Is this legal?
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net> <<<So a distributor can not legally limit a dealer from dealing in competitive products or limit a dealer's retail territory? Is that what you are saying? Can they legally prevent a dealer from advertising their retail business in any territory?>>>> You are absoultly 100% correct in the above statement Tom Don Gherardini Sales / Engineering dept. American Honda Engines Power Equipment Company 800-626-7326


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    Time: 03:01:26 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474@velocityonline.net>
    Subject: MV
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Hauck" <jimh474@velocityonline.net> Y'all; Just got off the phone with Bro John. He is in Trulock, Ca. Said he had a wonderful flight over Yosemite Nat. Park, all the way up to 14,500 ft. John should be in Monterey Bay, Ca this evening. Jim Hauck


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    Time: 07:21:53 PM PST US
    From: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
    Subject: Useless tach
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> I have a problem with either my tach or my ignition system. For the first two hours of running in and test flying the new 582, the tach worked normally, except when I did a mag check. When I switched off one mag, the tach would show a small drop, and you could hear a small decrease in rpm. When I checked the other mag, you could likewise hear a small drop in rpm, but the tach would jump up 500 to 1000 rpm increase, obviously an error, but aside from that, it worked normally. Just to be on the safe side, I used an optical tach to set the static prop pitch so things would be in the ballpark. Now the tach has become totally useless, it shows 7,000-7,500 rpm at full throttle, and 6,000 at half throttle, 55 mph cruise, when it probably ought to be at 4,600-4,800 or thereabouts. But it still reads 2,200 at idle. Big help. And it still shows a small drop for one mag check, and a big increase up for the other. Is there some way I could have wired up things incorrectly to cause this problem, or is it just time to buy a new tach? Thanks, Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)


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    Time: 07:23:14 PM PST US
    From: <rowedl@highstream.net>
    Subject: Inpection delay.
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net> After waiting three weeks for tomorrows airworthiness inspection, my inspector called me today and postponed it till next Friday. I think Linda is ready to bury this guy, if he ever gets here I just might help her. Denny (feeling snubbed) Rowe


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    Time: 08:34:55 PM PST US
    From: WillUribe@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Inpection delay.
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com Hi Denny, Sorry to hear about the inspector postponing on you. I know you worked hard to have it ready in time. I made it home OK but in the a week I will be working in Janesville, Wisconsin. I have no idea where that is, I'll have to find it on the map. I hope to find some Kolbers in that area near Jamesville. Here is a link to some of the pictures I took of your MK III, she looks ready. http://members.aol.com/talinamorenop/ <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/talinamorenop/">Click here Regards, Will Uribe El Paso, TX FireStar II N4GU C-172 N2506U http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/ do not archive > After waiting three weeks for tomorrows airworthiness inspection, my inspector called me today and postponed it till next Friday. > I think Linda is ready to bury this guy, if he ever gets here I just might help her. > Denny (feeling snubbed) Rowe


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    Time: 08:40:00 PM PST US
    From: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
    Subject: Re: Useless tach
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net> Richard, Do you have a Ford or a Chevy tach, is it an analog for lighting coils or Ducati ignition or an EIS. Helps us determine where the problem may lie. Also what points (engine wires/colors) is it connected to. jerb At 10:22 PM 5/22/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> > >I have a problem with either my tach or my ignition system. For the first >two hours of running in and test flying the new 582, the tach worked >normally, except when I did a mag check. When I switched off one mag, the >tach would show a small drop, and you could hear a small decrease in rpm. >When I checked the other mag, you could likewise hear a small drop in rpm, >but the tach would jump up 500 to 1000 rpm increase, obviously an error, >but aside from that, it worked normally. Just to be on the safe side, I >used an optical tach to set the static prop pitch so things would be in the >ballpark. > >Now the tach has become totally useless, it shows 7,000-7,500 rpm at full >throttle, and 6,000 at half throttle, 55 mph cruise, when it probably ought >to be at 4,600-4,800 or thereabouts. But it still reads 2,200 at idle. Big >help. And it still shows a small drop for one mag check, and a big increase >up for the other. > >Is there some way I could have wired up things incorrectly to cause this >problem, or is it just time to buy a new tach? > >Thanks, >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > >


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    Time: 09:04:50 PM PST US
    From: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Useless tach
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> It is a Westach 2ATH8A2/6 with the little loop wire in the back (which has been cut.) It is connected to the gray wire from the 582 harness, which is the dedicated tach wire. The gray wire goes to pin #2 on the tach, and pin #5 on the tach is grounded, just as Westach calls for. Thanks At 10:42 PM 5/22/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net> > >Richard, >Do you have a Ford or a Chevy tach, is it an analog for lighting coils or >Ducati ignition or an EIS. Helps us determine where the problem may >lie. Also what points (engine wires/colors) is it connected to. >jerb > >At 10:22 PM 5/22/03 -0400, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> > > > >I have a problem with either my tach or my ignition system. For the first > >two hours of running in and test flying the new 582, the tach worked > >normally, except when I did a mag check. When I switched off one mag, the > >tach would show a small drop, and you could hear a small decrease in rpm. > >When I checked the other mag, you could likewise hear a small drop in rpm, > >but the tach would jump up 500 to 1000 rpm increase, obviously an error, > >but aside from that, it worked normally. Just to be on the safe side, I > >used an optical tach to set the static prop pitch so things would be in the > >ballpark. > > > >Now the tach has become totally useless, it shows 7,000-7,500 rpm at full > >throttle, and 6,000 at half throttle, 55 mph cruise, when it probably ought > >to be at 4,600-4,800 or thereabouts. But it still reads 2,200 at idle. Big > >help. And it still shows a small drop for one mag check, and a big increase > >up for the other. > > > >Is there some way I could have wired up things incorrectly to cause this > >problem, or is it just time to buy a new tach? > > > >Thanks, > >Richard Pike > >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:38:38 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
    Subject: Re: Inpection delay.
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> Dog-gone it Denny, cut it out..............you're scaring me. After seeing those pics of your plane - and all the other Kolbs at Monument Valley, I think I'm going to hide Vamoose. Good Luck ! ! ! Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <rowedl@highstream.net> Subject: Kolb-List: Inpection delay. > --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net> > > After waiting three weeks for tomorrows airworthiness inspection, my inspector called me today and postponed it till next Friday. > I think Linda is ready to bury this guy, if he ever gets here I just might help her. > Denny (feeling snubbed) Rowe > >


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    Time: 09:45:54 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
    Subject: Monument Valley
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> I'm surprised there haven't been any other comments from the Monument Valley trippers. I thought a great time was had by all. Unhappily, my shiny new digital camera died - and is on its' way back to Nikon - after the 1st day of flying, but I did take plenty of pics in that one day. Today, I sat down, and put together a web page on the trip, so I'll put the address below. It was really tough, deciding which pics to use. That is such a beautiful area, it was hard to stop. I hope you-all enjoy the pics. Lar. http://www.webpictures.homestead.com.travelling.html Click on "Monument Valley '03." Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com


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    Time: 10:11:39 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
    Subject: Re: Monument Valley
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> Hmmm................don't seem to be working, tho' it does by typing it in direct. Let's try again: http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/travelling.html Click on "Monument Valley '03 Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com


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    Time: 11:18:49 PM PST US
    From: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
    Subject: Re: Monument Valley
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net> Do Not Archive Hi Lar, et al: <<I'm surprised there haven't been any other comments from the Monument Valley trippers. I thought a great time was had by all.>> Well we did make it home ok last night and we did have a great time. After departure, met Boyd and John H flying near Navaho Mountain. With Boyd's help we found Rainbow Bridge and then the 3 of us went separate ways. Did have a problem going home. The trace of liquid graphite looking stuff at the screw on the front of the cowl on Tuesday became a clear leak with a tiny spray of oil on the windshield when we refueled at Malad City on Wednesday. Half hour later I was making a precautionary landing in Pocatello to find the cowl full and oil dribbling down my landing gear. Turns out the crankshaft seal failed. The FBO loaned me tools to take off the propeller as they were very busy with other maintenance. They replaced the seal and helped me put it back together. So we were back in the air at 6:15pm and made it home before sunset after dodging the showers and freezing rain north of Monida Pass. < > Great photos, Lar. But I am still lobbying for the group to come next time here to Whitefish also/instead. As you know, we have mountains too but we also have water and trees. Then you can learn about the strange customs of the Flathead EAAers. Like the local guy with his own airport, private golf course and museum of flying aircraft (WW1, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam and GA, including one of the Goodyear "rubber" airplanes). Oh, and don't forget his full scale replica of Stonehenge. Typical Montanan, he'll be the guy in the corner talking about aviation who looks like the janitor. Meanwhile, we have some other visitors from California who flew in today. So I need to go catch up on my sleep. They want to fly into the back country this weekend and shoot the machine guns. Thanks to all who came, it really was a special gathering. Tom Kuffel Whitefish, MT Building (sort of) Original FireStar




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