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1. 03:41 AM - warp drive prop (Ed Steuber)
2. 03:53 AM - Key West Regulator (Ed Steuber)
3. 04:02 AM - Re: warp drive prop (Johann G.)
4. 04:33 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 05/28/03 (Doug Lawton)
5. 06:33 AM - Re: Key West Regulator (Geoff Thistlethwaite)
6. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: wheels and rims ()
7. 12:36 PM - Re: Key West Regulator (jerb)
8. 02:48 PM - Re: wheels and rims (Beauford Tuton)
9. 05:17 PM - (Fackler, Ken)
10. 05:23 PM - Re: wheels and rims (ronnie wehba)
11. 06:21 PM - Re: Key West Regulator (Richard Pike)
12. 07:49 PM - Re: Key West Regulator ()
13. 07:56 PM - Re: Key West Regulator ()
14. 08:03 PM - Re: Key West Regulator (jerb)
15. 08:04 PM - Airworthiness inspection ()
16. 08:14 PM - Re: Re: wheels and rims (possums)
17. 09:08 PM - Re: Key West Regulator (Don Gherardini)
18. 09:19 PM - Re: wheels and rims (Don Gherardini)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Johann,
Remove the prop and dissassemle . Lay the plates on a surface plate
and make sure they are flat...if OK, then start mixing the blade holders with
different ones and you should get changes. If that does not work you need to
modify the blade holders by sanding suspected areas on the flats against the flat
plates...it may take a while but can be done. .......try to get the blade
track within 1/8 inch of each other...smoothes right out..
Ed in Western NY
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| Subject: | Key West Regulator |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Gang,
I have a problem with a Key West regulator used in parallel with a Westberg
Tach operating off the lighting coil on my 2SI engine. The tach works fine
till I put the Regulator on the 2 yellow coil wires. Key West says it is the
regulator keeping the lighting coil from allowing the AC voltage to change....I
do not have a charging coil on this engine to put the regulator on . Is there
a regulator I can use without a battery that will work with my Tach ? I need
a Cig Lighter Power plug to run a hanheld GPS and handheld radio otherwise
I would just forget the regulator. I have a Tiny Tach that I am considering using
but the panel is already cut for the Westberg.....
Ed in Western NY
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann-g@talnet.is>
Hello Ed.
Thank you very much for your advice.
I will forward this to my friend.
Best regards,
Johann G.
Iceland.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ed Steuber
Subject: Kolb-List: warp drive prop
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Johann,
Remove the prop and dissassemle . Lay the plates on a surface
plate and make sure they are flat...if OK, then start mixing the blade
holders with different ones and you should get changes. If that does not
work you need to modify the blade holders by sanding suspected areas on the
flats against the flat plates...it may take a while but can be done.
.......try to get the blade track within 1/8 inch of each other...smoothes
right out..
Ed in Western NY
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 05/28/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Ken,
Many years ago when I was a Quicksilver dealer, we came up with a viable
solution for filling the "over the root tube" plastic tanks on our aircraft.
Starting with a handtruck like you would find at a Sam's or Northern, we
welded up a small 3 step ladder and bolted it to the front of the handtruck
at a diagonal angle. Next we welded a small shelf to the backside down low
near the wheels and installed a 12 volt car battery on it. Then we went to
the auto parts store and purchased an auto fuel pump and bolted it to the
hand truck assembly. Wired it up with a mometary toggle switch and plumbed
it with supply and delivery clear hoses and installed 2 removeable 5 gallon
"jerry" cans on the bottom of the handtrucks lower plate. We then had a
portable "fuel truck" that we could roll out to the flight line, pump fuel
into the aircraft, and roll back to the hanger. If you'd like pictures, let
me know cause I still have the same unit, working like a charm after 23
years. Of course, I've had to replace the battery a few times. The ladder
came in real handy for getting up to the top of the wing where the fuel tank
cap was too. And we also installed an upper shelf above the battery to hold
a small tool box as well. We later even added a dedicated battery charger to
our unit. I believe we had less than a couple of hundred bucks in it back
then and amortized out over 23 years, well it's just not that expensive to
do it right the first time. We actually made several of these and sold them
to our customers.
Hope this helps,
Doug Lawton
Southern Air-Time, LLC
NE Georgia & Whitwell, TN
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Alternate fueling options
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Well, fellow Kolbites, I managed to really muck it up this time. In hoisting
those blankety-blank fuel cans over my head to gas up the Mark II, I managed
to rip a muscle in my lower back. I am now urgently in need of a safe
alternative for handling fuel without doing any such lifting. Of course, a
solution that doesn't involve the outlay of "mass quantities" of cash would
be a real plus, too! ;-)
I've searched the archives and grabbed some info there, but it was fairly
non-detailed and a lot of it was debate about the safety of various
approaches. So here's what I'm asking for:
If you use a method not involving hand-pumping or hand-pouring for getting
fuel into a two-stroke-powered Kolb (I need to pump pre-mix) and would be
willing to share details, preferably even plans or photos, please contact me
off-list at either of the following addresses:
kfackler@ameritech.net
ken.fackler@eds.com
Many, many thanks!
-Ken Fackler
Mark II / 503
Rochester MI
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| Subject: | Re: Key West Regulator |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Geoff Thistlethwaite" <geoffthis@charter.net>
Ed,
check out: http://www.kestrobes.com/Powerx.html
I used this on my firestar to power my radio and tape deck....
HTH
Geoff Thistlethwaite
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Key West Regulator
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
>
> Gang,
> I have a problem with a Key West regulator used in parallel with
a Westberg Tach operating off the lighting coil on my 2SI engine. The tach
works fine till I put the Regulator on the 2 yellow coil wires. Key West
says it is the regulator keeping the lighting coil from allowing the AC
voltage to change....I do not have a charging coil on this engine to put the
regulator on . Is there a regulator I can use without a battery that will
work with my Tach ? I need a Cig Lighter Power plug to run a hanheld GPS and
handheld radio otherwise I would just forget the regulator. I have a Tiny
Tach that I am considering using but the panel is already cut for the
Westberg.....
> Ed in Western NY
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wheels and rims |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <gdledbetter1@fuse.net>
Possum,
You are always a source of incredible, useful information. I guess flying a Kolb
submarine
gives you extra insight.
Gene Ledbetter
Firefly - 193hrs
Cincinnati
--------------------------------------------------------
........If you don't have a tube and have to go anyway, I have stuffed tires with
rags, papers or
my clothes - etc. Anything to get off the ground, especially if you're on a sandbar
and the
tide is coming in. It is always easier to land with a flat than to take off with
a flat.
Enquiring minds might want to know.
Possums
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| Subject: | Re: Key West Regulator |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
That is because the KeyWest is a shunt-type regular which basically means
it shorts the lighting coil to control the output voltage. Yep, that's the
way it works. When it shorts, you loose tach signal or get a very erratic
one. Do you have two sets of lighting coils on the 2Si, one for the
ignition and one for accessory power? On a Rotax I would tell you to use
the gray wire but don't know much about 2Si's ignition or electrical
system. One fix is to go to one of those limited 3 amp output regulars. I
suggest to Kuntzleman who manufacturers strobes and the hot box that he
should design and sell a unit but he replies his hot box is the total
solution but not if your want more than a few amps.
Anybody got any help for this guy?
jerb
At 07:01 AM 5/29/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
>
>Gang,
> I have a problem with a Key West regulator used in parallel with
> a Westberg Tach operating off the lighting coil on my 2SI engine. The
> tach works fine till I put the Regulator on the 2 yellow coil wires. Key
> West says it is the regulator keeping the lighting coil from allowing the
> AC voltage to change....I do not have a charging coil on this engine to
> put the regulator on . Is there a regulator I can use without a battery
> that will work with my Tach ? I need a Cig Lighter Power plug to run a
> hanheld GPS and handheld radio otherwise I would just forget the
> regulator. I have a Tiny Tach that I am considering using but the panel
> is already cut for the Westberg.....
> Ed in Western NY
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wheels and rims |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford Tuton" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Don:
Thankee for the kind words about the Fly.....nothing big has come off it
yet, so I reckon it's so far, so good... I harbor a deep-seated intrinsic
mistrust of aeronautics in general... it colors my perspective.
Re your question: That gap seal is .028 aluminum sheet... put industrial
strength one-inch velcro on the outboard edges... plus (because I don't
totally trust velcro) I riveted four little aluminum angles, about 1.5
inches long and high, on the inside.... two on the top, two on the
bottom... drilled holes in them to accept bungee cords... I carry the
bungees around behind the top cage cross member to keep aft tension on the
gap seal... so far it has shown no tendency to get loose from the velcro...
I hated that factory stock cloth gap seal...never looked right... being
white fabric on a greasy airplane, it gradually got dirty as a high school
seniors' intentions....and it finally shredded out on me up at London...
First thing (well, mebbe the third thing) I did when I got back was to make
this aluminum one. I fold the Fly and stuff it into its homemade trailer
every time it flies... The metal gap seal is no big deal for folding...
adds maybe three minutes to the set-up and tear-down process... I like it a
helluva lot better than the cloth...
Best Regards,
Beauford
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wheels and rims
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> P.S. BeauFord.....what did ya make that gap seal out of?
>
> Don G
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Al Bumhoffer, please contact me off-list at:
kfackler@ameritech.net
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-Ken Fackler
Mark II / 503
Rochester MI
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| Subject: | Re: wheels and rims |
BAYES_30, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,
REFERENCES)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
you have a picture, as my cloth one on my ultrastar needs replacing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beauford Tuton" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wheels and rims
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford Tuton"
<beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> Don:
> Thankee for the kind words about the Fly.....nothing big has come off it
> yet, so I reckon it's so far, so good... I harbor a deep-seated intrinsic
> mistrust of aeronautics in general... it colors my perspective.
> Re your question: That gap seal is .028 aluminum sheet... put industrial
> strength one-inch velcro on the outboard edges... plus (because I don't
> totally trust velcro) I riveted four little aluminum angles, about 1.5
> inches long and high, on the inside.... two on the top, two on the
> bottom... drilled holes in them to accept bungee cords... I carry the
> bungees around behind the top cage cross member to keep aft tension on the
> gap seal... so far it has shown no tendency to get loose from the
velcro...
>
> I hated that factory stock cloth gap seal...never looked right... being
> white fabric on a greasy airplane, it gradually got dirty as a high
school
> seniors' intentions....and it finally shredded out on me up at London...
> First thing (well, mebbe the third thing) I did when I got back was to
make
> this aluminum one. I fold the Fly and stuff it into its homemade trailer
> every time it flies... The metal gap seal is no big deal for folding...
> adds maybe three minutes to the set-up and tear-down process... I like it
a
> helluva lot better than the cloth...
>
> Best Regards,
> Beauford
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wheels and rims
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini"
<donghe@one-eleven.net>
> >
> > P.S. BeauFord.....what did ya make that gap seal out of?
> >
> > Don G
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Key West Regulator |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Had a similar problem with my 532 using a Westberg tach & Key West
regulator off the lighting coil. You don't have to use the charging coil,
the lighting coil will work just as well. Swap the wires around. Swap the
coil wires to the Key West terminals. If that doesn't work, try various
coil/tach combinations. On mine, there was one combination of wires to
regulator, wires to tach that would work right, all others didn't.
Obviously there are several possible combinations, take notes or you'll get
really frustrated. (Guess how I know this?)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 07:01 AM 5/29/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
>
>Gang,
> I have a problem with a Key West regulator used in parallel with
> a Westberg Tach operating off the lighting coil on my 2SI engine. The
> tach works fine till I put the Regulator on the 2 yellow coil wires. Key
> West says it is the regulator keeping the lighting coil from allowing the
> AC voltage to change....I do not have a charging coil on this engine to
> put the regulator on . Is there a regulator I can use without a battery
> that will work with my Tach ? I need a Cig Lighter Power plug to run a
> hanheld GPS and handheld radio otherwise I would just forget the
> regulator. I have a Tiny Tach that I am considering using but the panel
> is already cut for the Westberg.....
> Ed in Western NY
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Key West Regulator |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Ed,
Kuntzleman has a unit called the (Radio power supply) that will power your
GPS and radio without a battery, I use one on my 503 powered Loehle and am
very happy with it. He also has pretty good tech support.
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Steuber <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Key West Regulator
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
>
> Gang,
> I have a problem with a Key West regulator used in parallel with
a Westberg Tach operating off the lighting coil on my 2SI engine. The tach
works fine till I put the Regulator on the 2 yellow coil wires. Key West
says it is the regulator keeping the lighting coil from allowing the AC
voltage to change....I do not have a charging coil on this engine to put the
regulator on . Is there a regulator I can use without a battery that will
work with my Tach ? I need a Cig Lighter Power plug to run a hanheld GPS and
handheld radio otherwise I would just forget the regulator. I have a Tiny
Tach that I am considering using but the panel is already cut for the
Westberg.....
> Ed in Western NY
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Key West Regulator |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Ed,
This is the unit I mentioned that I have on the Loehle, it works fine
without a battery.
Denny
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Thistlethwaite <geoffthis@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Key West Regulator
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Geoff Thistlethwaite"
<geoffthis@charter.net>
>
> Ed,
> check out: http://www.kestrobes.com/Powerx.html
> I used this on my firestar to power my radio and tape deck....
> HTH
> Geoff Thistlethwaite
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Key West Regulator
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Steuber"
<esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
> >
> > Gang,
> > I have a problem with a Key West regulator used in parallel
with
> a Westberg Tach operating off the lighting coil on my 2SI engine. The tach
> works fine till I put the Regulator on the 2 yellow coil wires. Key West
> says it is the regulator keeping the lighting coil from allowing the AC
> voltage to change....I do not have a charging coil on this engine to put
the
> regulator on . Is there a regulator I can use without a battery that will
> work with my Tach ? I need a Cig Lighter Power plug to run a hanheld GPS
and
> handheld radio otherwise I would just forget the regulator. I have a Tiny
> Tach that I am considering using but the panel is already cut for the
> Westberg.....
> > Ed in Western NY
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Key West Regulator |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
Your problem is due to the KeyWest regulator being a shunt-type. It is
connected across the lighting coil, yellow wires on a Rotax, not sure what
color they are on a 2Si. The way the regular works is it effectively
shorts the lighting coil to control the rectified DC output
voltage. That's the way it works. The problem is when it does this, your
tach looses it signal also. Not sure if the 2Si has dual coils, one for
the ignition and one for accessories like the Rotax, if so you might be
able to connect the tach to the ignition power (lighting) coil and run the
regulator on the other high Amp output lighting coil. You could also use
one of the other type regulators but most are limited to a DC output load
of 3 amps. I suggested to Kuntzleman that he consider designing and
selling a higher output regulator, his solution was to use his "hot box"
but if I recall right its still limited to about 3 amps.
jerb
At 07:01 AM 5/29/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
>
>Gang,
> I have a problem with a Key West regulator used in parallel with
> a Westberg Tach operating off the lighting coil on my 2SI engine. The
> tach works fine till I put the Regulator on the 2 yellow coil wires. Key
> West says it is the regulator keeping the lighting coil from allowing the
> AC voltage to change....I do not have a charging coil on this engine to
> put the regulator on . Is there a regulator I can use without a battery
> that will work with my Tach ? I need a Cig Lighter Power plug to run a
> hanheld GPS and handheld radio otherwise I would just forget the
> regulator. I have a Tiny Tach that I am considering using but the panel
> is already cut for the Westberg.....
> Ed in Western NY
>
>
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| Subject: | Airworthiness inspection |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Kolbers,
My rescheduled airworthiness inspection that was to be tomorrow, has now been pushed
back to Monday.
You had better believe that this guy and his office manager got a big piece of
my mind!
I doubt he'll cancel out again.
Denny
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: wheels and rims |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
Darn - you've got a lot of hours real quick.
I guess you "Professional Retirees" can work that out.
Are you and "Duane the Plane" still in Fla.
At 10:18 AM 5/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: <gdledbetter1@fuse.net>
>
>Possum,
>
>You are always a source of incredible, useful information. I guess
>flying a Kolb submarine
>gives you extra insight.
>
>Gene Ledbetter
>Firefly - 193hrs
>====================================================================
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| Subject: | Re: Key West Regulator |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Ed, I dont know which engine you have, but my ULII-02 Cuyuna has one coil.
and I believe its the sames as the newer 2 cylinders....if you have one a
those powerhouse 3 cylinders...then I sure dont know...But Roger Zerkle
will, and here is his E-mail atr ZDE
Zerkle, Roger
E-mail Address(es):
zde@frtci.net
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| Subject: | Re: wheels and rims |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Beauford, I like that idea on the Gap seal, and I believe Ill use
it...thankyou!
Got the Azuza wheels today....and they are just a tad too wide to fit the
little .063 chromoly axle stub....which doesnt dissapoint be to awful
bad...cause I just didnt think much a those axle fittings. They seemed awful
flimsy and didnt fit the gear leg well either...too wobbley on the leg to
suit me.,, .0875 leg and a .090 hole in the fitting....so I spun out a new
one on the lathe today much better and will do the other one tomorrow, and
weld on axle stubs a tad longer..and just a tad heavier.
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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