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1. 11:12 AM - List Down? (Bob N.)
2. 11:17 AM - Re: List Down? (Richard Harris)
3. 11:41 AM - Re: List Down? (Bob N.)
4. 11:43 AM - Re: List Down? (Bob Bean)
5. 12:11 PM - Flight Complete (John Hauck)
6. 12:22 PM - My latest trip (John Williamson)
7. 01:47 PM - Re: My latest trip (John Hauck)
8. 02:42 PM - Re: Conversion (John Hauck)
9. 05:37 PM - Re: List Down? (GeoR38@aol.com)
10. 06:04 PM - Cutting 1/2" Plate (KRISTINA L GIBFRIED)
11. 07:43 PM - Re: Cutting 1/2" Plate (Larry Bourne)
12. 07:51 PM - Re: Cutting 1/2" Plate (Larry Bourne)
13. 07:52 PM - Re: My latest trip (Larry Bourne)
14. 08:01 PM - Swing the Compass (Ian Heritch)
15. 08:09 PM - cuttting steel (Bob Bean)
16. 08:46 PM - Re: Swing the Compass (Richard Pike)
17. 08:54 PM - Re: My latest trip (DAquaNut@aol.com)
18. 09:07 PM - Re: Swing the Compass (Bob N.)
19. 10:57 PM - Re: Cutting 1/2" Plate (Don Gherardini)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
I'm refraining from further epistolarian efforts until the list becomes
pertinacious.
This a test. Do not reset any variables. Sweepers, start yer brooms.
Delete before reading.
Bob N.
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Bob, Please send your message again, I think the list is down and I deleted
your message before I read it.
Richard Harris
MK3 N912RH
Lewisville, Arkansas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: List Down?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
>
> I'm refraining from further epistolarian efforts until the list becomes
> pertinacious.
>
> This a test. Do not reset any variables. Sweepers, start yer brooms.
>
> Delete before reading.
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> Bob N.
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> do not archive
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>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Think mine auto-deleted.
Bob N.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Richard, never mind, the ole codger's emissions are indecipherable
anyhow. -BB (what I thinks he meant was nothing being said is much
worth commenting about)
Richard Harris wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
>
>Bob, Please send your message again, I think the list is down and I deleted
>your message before I read it.
>
>
>Richard Harris
>MK3 N912RH
>Lewisville, Arkansas
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: List Down?
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>>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
>>
>>I'm refraining from further epistolarian efforts until the list becomes
>>pertinacious.
>>
>>This a test. Do not reset any variables. Sweepers, start yer brooms.
>>
>>Delete before reading.
>>
>>Bob N.
>>
>>do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Ya'll:
I returned to Gantt International Airport about
1130 CDT yesterday morning.
I have scanned most of the Kolb emails and must
add my own short comments at this time that the
Kolb "get-together" at Monument Valley, Utah, was
by far the most successful, enjoyable, satisfying,
complete, and most interesting flyin I have
attended since starting this hobby in 1983, almost
20 years ago. Nuther words, we had a ball. Was
much like old friends getting back together after
a long absence. MV was the place to have the
gathering, although it was halfway round the world
from Abalama. I am more than willing to spend a
couple days flying or driving to get back there
next year for another one.
Off the top of my head:
I flew 70.5 hrs.
Burned 350 gals fuel.
No oil (although I thought I had during the first
couple days of the flight).
Was "on the road" 15 days, as the Army would count
them, or 16 days, as civilians would count.
Spent an afternoon in Marietta, Oklahoma, on the
ground because of a 30 mph direct headwind. When
my ground speed gets below 60 mph and it is
turbulent, I land and take a nap.
Spent two nights and a day at Terrell County
International Airport, between Sanderson and
Dryden, Texas, because of severe thunderstorms and
extremely heavy rain. I was responsible for
flooding on the high plateau in the West Texas
Desert. Water was ankle deep, and six inches up
the main tires of Miss P'fer. Several of the
thunderstorms were complete whiteouts. Never
dreamed I would see anything like this in that
local. I came through Terrell County AP on my
1994 flight around the country and to Alaska.
Tied down in the same old T Hanger to get out of
the sun then, but this time to get out of the rain
and possible hail.
On the way into Marfa, halfway between El Paso and
Terrell County AP, I danced with the dust devils
and did my best to outrun an enormous thunderstorm
that was playing "cat and mouse" with me". When I
felt cold air and a thump, looked over my left
shoulder and saw the black cloud try to envelope
me from the rear, then flank me on the left, I ran
for 20 miles to Marfa, WOT and riding a bucking
bronc on the edge of the storm. On top of that I
had a full bladder, so the effort to arrive Marfa
soonest was two fold. :-)
When I get a chance, I will sit down and share my
flight with you all. It ranks up there as one of
the finest I have had since I started cross
countrying ultralights and light planes 19 years
ago. I must say that Miss P'fer and the 912S (now
with 490.8 hours) performed impeccably. For an
old home built experimental that came out of my
basement nearly 12 years ago, she is without a
doubt the best aircraft I have ever flown being
pushed by the best recip engine I have ever flown
in front of or behind, for that matter. I know
the crusade for a better, cheaper, more reliable,
and fuel efficient power plant for our little
airplanes goes on, but you will not find a better
engine than the 912 or 912S at any price. When
one finds himself and his airplane over the Sierra
Nevada Rockies at 14,500 feet, with the top of the
highest mountain less than 600 feet under the main
landing gear, a couple extra dollars for something
that works is the least of my worries. I am not
sponsored by Rotax, but I sure wish I was. I have
done a lot of PR work for them whether I wanted to
or not. They have a good product in the 912
series engines. My previous altitude record was
13,500 feet with the 912 over flat and nearly sea
level ground level above Illinois or Indiana some
years ago on the way home from Oshkosh. I decided
I was high enough when I got cold as Hell dressed
in shorts and T shirt. Dress the same way, OAT
28F, I was comfortable in Miss P'fers cabin heated
to a lovely 70F by a beautiful CAVU sky and warm
sun on the lexan. WHAT A FLIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I still have not unpacked all the bags and put up
my gear from the flight. It is piled in the
kitchen and living room of my old lake cabin I
call home. It is good to be back, I miss the
"gypsie" life of light plane cross countrying, but
it is always good to get back home. Will take a
few days to get back in the groove and overcome
post flight depression and the let down after
having such an exciting and enjoyable flight.
Take care,
john h
PS: Anybody heard from John Williamson? Has he
returned from his flight to Washington State? I
was going to call his wife and check on him during
my flight, but discovered I did not have his home
phone in my "little black book" of phone numbers I
have collected from all over the US, Canada, and
Alaska.
PSS: I am tired and have not taken the extra time
to proof what I have typed. If I have made typos,
gramatical errors, misspelled words, etc., please
correct if you wish. :-)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@attbi.com>
Fellow Kolbers,
I returned home last evening and have been catching up on everything today.
The trip went very well and I met some of the nicest people in the world. The gathering
at Monument Valley was the high point of the trip. You just can't find
better people than those that fly or build Kolb aircraft.
Here are the stats for my trip:
Distance flown: 4696.9 nm, 5405.1 sm
Flight time: 68 hours 25 minutes
Average speed: 68.6 knots, 78.4 mph
Fuel burned: 299.8 gallons
Landings: 54
States landed in: 17
Lowest airport elevation: 210 feet below sea level
Highest altitude flown: 11,000 feet msl
Rides given to relatives: 23
Here are some links to some of the pictures I was able to take. More will be posted
to my website in the next couple of days. I have looked at all the other
photos posted of the Monument Valley trip and just had to add few to the growing
list.
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0366.JPG
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0370.JPG
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0373.JPG
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0374.JPG
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0387.JPG
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0408.JPG
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0420.JPG
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0435.JPG
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0448.JPG
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0455.JPG
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0473.JPG
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0609.JPG
http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0631.JPG
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 327 hours
http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: My latest trip |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi John W/Gang:
Great to hear you are home safely and had a good
flight. I enjoyed the pics you posted and can not
wait to see the others when you get them on your
web site.
I took 13 rolls of 35mm, 24 and some 36 exposures,
during my flight. They are still in zip lock bags
in red stuff sacks that have not been unloaded
yet. I will try and get them in the shop
tonight. Should get them back in a few days.
Will also have them make up CDs so I can post on
my index page for you all to see. I still have
not gotten around to captioning the pics I made on
my last Alaska flight, so don't expect any
different on this flight. However, I will do my
best. :-) As soon as I get the grass cut here at
the house, at the airstrip, and a myriad of other
chores that have been waiting for my return. The
life of a bachelor is rough with no one to split
the inside and outside chores with..........
These are John W's stats and I will post mine next
to his for comparison. While we were at MV we had
a chance to catch up on a lot of history for the
past 35 years since we graduated from Army Rotary
Wing Flight School. John was a couple classes and
about a month behind me in flight school, AH-1G
Transition Course, and arriving in VN. We
discovered that we both use 65 kts or 75 mph
ground speed to plan for our civilian flights in
our Kolbs, and that we both usually come very
close to that figure when the flight is complete.
My 1994 flight was 17,400 miles long, I averaged
78 mph for the duration of the flight.
Let me add, my figures are approximate, based on
time off the hour meter. When I get time I will
get actual distances, add up my gas burn, etc.
> Distance flown: 4696.9 nm, 5405.1 sm
5287.5 sm
> Flight time: 68 hours 25 minutes
70.5 hours
> Average speed: 68.6 knots, 78.4 mph
75 mph (estimate)
> Fuel burned: 299.8 gallons
350 gal bases on 5 gph X 70.5 hours
> Landings: 54
Get those when I add up my log book
numbers.
> States landed in: 17
10 (Based on a quick count on
my fingers and limited
memory.)
> Lowest airport elevation: 210 feet below sea level
211 feet below sea
level at Furnace Creek,
Death Valley,
California. Probably
same airport John
W. landed.
Sectional
indicated 210, sign at Furnace
Creek Airport
indicated 211.
> Highest altitude flown: 11,000 feet msl
14,500 feet msl
> Rides given to relatives: 23
None, but did give
Ziggy from El Paso,
Larry Bourne, and two
kids, 7 and 10 yrs old,
a ride.
It is surprising how close the stats are on the
two flights, though one originated and terminated
in Arlington, Texas, and the other in Titus,
Alabama.
Proud to say John W flies his cross country
flights much the same as I do, roughing it, living
with the airplane. Only way to go!
Congratulations on your successful flight John W.
john h
PS: We'll have to compare notes soon. Bet we
were not more than a day apart at Furnace Creek,
Death Valley, California.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Can anyone write a brief description (summary is fine) of what's
> involved in converting
> a MKIII from a 582 to a 912?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Doug Wetzel
Doug/Gang:
I can! :-)
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 5/31/03 2:12:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ronoy@shentel.net writes:
>
> I'm refraining from further epistolarian efforts until the list becomes
> pertinacious.
>
> This a test. Do not reset any variables. Sweepers, start yer brooms.
>
> Delete before reading.
>
> Bob N.
>
> do not archive
>
>
I hesitate to articulate for fear that I might deviate from the true course
of rectitude GeorgeRandolph
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| Subject: | Cutting 1/2" Plate |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: KRISTINA L GIBFRIED <tk1991@swbell.net>
Due to the expense of spring landing gears I decided to make my own. My plans call
for .5 x 4 x 72" with a taper starting 11.5" from centerline. I already had
the bar cut to length, but have to cut the taper, 4 cuts. I put a cut off blade
in a table saw and spent 15 minutes of chips burning my face for one cut.
I even stopped short as the cut off was a perfect spear head and I could imagine
it being kicked back by the blade and right through me. Does anyone have a
beter way to make this cut in my garage with basic tools?
Regards,
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Cutting 1/2" Plate |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
You're absolutely right - I've seen saws kick the material back hard enuf to
go thru a wall. I think I'd find me a cutting torch, then grind the edges
smooth. Can you send me some pics and description of what you're doing, off
List ?? I'm looking at a different route, with the same type of end result
in mind. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "KRISTINA L GIBFRIED" <tk1991@swbell.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Cutting 1/2" Plate
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: KRISTINA L GIBFRIED <tk1991@swbell.net>
>
>
> Due to the expense of spring landing gears I decided to make my own. My
plans call for .5 x 4 x 72" with a taper starting 11.5" from centerline. I
already had the bar cut to length, but have to cut the taper, 4 cuts. I put
a cut off blade in a table saw and spent 15 minutes of chips burning my face
for one cut. I even stopped short as the cut off was a perfect spear head
and I could imagine it being kicked back by the blade and right through me.
Does anyone have a beter way to make this cut in my garage with basic tools?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cutting 1/2" Plate |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Should've mentioned - if you clamp a straight edge of angle iron along the
length of your cut, and use it to brace the torch's tip, you can make a very
smooth cut with a torch, and have minimal grinding afterwards.
Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cutting 1/2" Plate
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> You're absolutely right - I've seen saws kick the material back hard enuf
to
> go thru a wall. I think I'd find me a cutting torch, then grind the edges
> smooth. Can you send me some pics and description of what you're doing,
off
> List ?? I'm looking at a different route, with the same type of end
result
> in mind. Lar.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "KRISTINA L GIBFRIED" <tk1991@swbell.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Cutting 1/2" Plate
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: KRISTINA L GIBFRIED <tk1991@swbell.net>
> >
> >
> > Due to the expense of spring landing gears I decided to make my own. My
> plans call for .5 x 4 x 72" with a taper starting 11.5" from centerline. I
> already had the bar cut to length, but have to cut the taper, 4 cuts. I
put
> a cut off blade in a table saw and spent 15 minutes of chips burning my
face
> for one cut. I even stopped short as the cut off was a perfect spear head
> and I could imagine it being kicked back by the blade and right through
me.
> Does anyone have a beter way to make this cut in my garage with basic
tools?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My latest trip |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Great pics, John. I hope you'll put captions on them soon, so's we'll know
where they were taken. Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@attbi.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: My latest trip
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@attbi.com>
>
> Fellow Kolbers,
>
> I returned home last evening and have been catching up on everything
today.
>
> The trip went very well and I met some of the nicest people in the world.
The gathering at Monument Valley was the high point of the trip. You just
can't find better people than those that fly or build Kolb aircraft.
>
> Here are the stats for my trip:
>
> Distance flown: 4696.9 nm, 5405.1 sm
> Flight time: 68 hours 25 minutes
> Average speed: 68.6 knots, 78.4 mph
> Fuel burned: 299.8 gallons
> Landings: 54
> States landed in: 17
> Lowest airport elevation: 210 feet below sea level
> Highest altitude flown: 11,000 feet msl
> Rides given to relatives: 23
>
> Here are some links to some of the pictures I was able to take. More will
be posted to my website in the next couple of days. I have looked at all the
other photos posted of the Monument Valley trip and just had to add few to
the growing list.
>
> http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0366.JPG
> http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0370.JPG
> http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0373.JPG
> http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0374.JPG
> http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0387.JPG
> http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0408.JPG
> http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0420.JPG
> http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0435.JPG
> http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0448.JPG
> http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0455.JPG
> http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0473.JPG
> http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0609.JPG
> http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0631.JPG
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 327 hours
> http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot
>
>
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| Subject: | Swing the Compass |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com>
Friends, the instructions with my new adjustable compass (Pegasus PG2A) state
that prior to adjusting I should "swing the compass". Of course they don't explain
how to swing the compass.
So, is it as simple as rotating the aircraft on the ground one or more times in
one direction, and then rotating it again one or more times in the opposite
direction?
Please advise.
Ian Heritch
San Antonio, TX Slingshot, 912
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
I dumped the note, but check out plasma cutters. Lots of machine shops
have them
and wouldn't charge much. Problem with the cutting torch is changing the
structure of the neighboring metal - might not even be heat-treatable. -BB
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Swing the Compass |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Boy, this is soooo tempting...but...I'll pass.
Beauford? Grey Baron? Would'st care to have a go?
(Be patient Ian, & we'll tell you all about it... Snarf, chortle, ROTFL)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:01 PM 5/31/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com>
>
>Friends, the instructions with my new adjustable compass (Pegasus PG2A)
>state that prior to adjusting I should "swing the compass". Of course
>they don't explain how to swing the compass.
>
>So, is it as simple as rotating the aircraft on the ground one or more
>times in one direction, and then rotating it again one or more times in
>the opposite direction?
>
>Please advise.
>
>Ian Heritch
>San Antonio, TX Slingshot, 912
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My latest trip |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
John W.
I was just wondering if you were aware of the Texoma flyin the
6th,7th, &8th of june, and if you had plans of going. Im planning on being there
on Sat. The 7th.
Ed Diebel
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
It's midnight here and my keeper will shut me down err long. Tomorrow
I'll expound on swinging vs. boxing--and maybe even say a word(s) or two
about compasses.
my carriage awaits
Bob N.
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: Cutting 1/2" Plate |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Jeez Tim.....If I understand ya,,,you are trying to make a 4 inch deep
cut...an edge wise on that 1/2 x4...whew....dont use a torch...you wont have
spring steel when ya get done...just a piece of hot-rolled flat. Thats gonna
take a serious grinding job or a awful good plasma cutter.....not a small
one either. Dont know what you have in the garage,,....but thats a heavy
duty cut...more than alot of small welding shops might attempt with any
accuracy. Try a good size machine shop.
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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