---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/31/03: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:12 AM - List Down? (Bob N.) 2. 11:17 AM - Re: List Down? (Richard Harris) 3. 11:41 AM - Re: List Down? (Bob N.) 4. 11:43 AM - Re: List Down? (Bob Bean) 5. 12:11 PM - Flight Complete (John Hauck) 6. 12:22 PM - My latest trip (John Williamson) 7. 01:47 PM - Re: My latest trip (John Hauck) 8. 02:42 PM - Re: Conversion (John Hauck) 9. 05:37 PM - Re: List Down? (GeoR38@aol.com) 10. 06:04 PM - Cutting 1/2" Plate (KRISTINA L GIBFRIED) 11. 07:43 PM - Re: Cutting 1/2" Plate (Larry Bourne) 12. 07:51 PM - Re: Cutting 1/2" Plate (Larry Bourne) 13. 07:52 PM - Re: My latest trip (Larry Bourne) 14. 08:01 PM - Swing the Compass (Ian Heritch) 15. 08:09 PM - cuttting steel (Bob Bean) 16. 08:46 PM - Re: Swing the Compass (Richard Pike) 17. 08:54 PM - Re: My latest trip (DAquaNut@aol.com) 18. 09:07 PM - Re: Swing the Compass (Bob N.) 19. 10:57 PM - Re: Cutting 1/2" Plate (Don Gherardini) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:11 AM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Kolb-List: List Down? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." I'm refraining from further epistolarian efforts until the list becomes pertinacious. This a test. Do not reset any variables. Sweepers, start yer brooms. Delete before reading. Bob N. do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:57 AM PST US From: "Richard Harris" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: List Down? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" Bob, Please send your message again, I think the list is down and I deleted your message before I read it. Richard Harris MK3 N912RH Lewisville, Arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob N." Subject: Kolb-List: List Down? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." > > I'm refraining from further epistolarian efforts until the list becomes > pertinacious. > > This a test. Do not reset any variables. Sweepers, start yer brooms. > > Delete before reading. > > Bob N. > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:18 AM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: List Down? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." Think mine auto-deleted. Bob N. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:50 AM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: List Down? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Richard, never mind, the ole codger's emissions are indecipherable anyhow. -BB (what I thinks he meant was nothing being said is much worth commenting about) Richard Harris wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" > >Bob, Please send your message again, I think the list is down and I deleted >your message before I read it. > > >Richard Harris >MK3 N912RH >Lewisville, Arkansas >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob N." >To: >Subject: Kolb-List: List Down? > > > > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." >> >>I'm refraining from further epistolarian efforts until the list becomes >>pertinacious. >> >>This a test. Do not reset any variables. Sweepers, start yer brooms. >> >>Delete before reading. >> >>Bob N. >> >>do not archive >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:54 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Kolb-List: Flight Complete --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Hi Ya'll: I returned to Gantt International Airport about 1130 CDT yesterday morning. I have scanned most of the Kolb emails and must add my own short comments at this time that the Kolb "get-together" at Monument Valley, Utah, was by far the most successful, enjoyable, satisfying, complete, and most interesting flyin I have attended since starting this hobby in 1983, almost 20 years ago. Nuther words, we had a ball. Was much like old friends getting back together after a long absence. MV was the place to have the gathering, although it was halfway round the world from Abalama. I am more than willing to spend a couple days flying or driving to get back there next year for another one. Off the top of my head: I flew 70.5 hrs. Burned 350 gals fuel. No oil (although I thought I had during the first couple days of the flight). Was "on the road" 15 days, as the Army would count them, or 16 days, as civilians would count. Spent an afternoon in Marietta, Oklahoma, on the ground because of a 30 mph direct headwind. When my ground speed gets below 60 mph and it is turbulent, I land and take a nap. Spent two nights and a day at Terrell County International Airport, between Sanderson and Dryden, Texas, because of severe thunderstorms and extremely heavy rain. I was responsible for flooding on the high plateau in the West Texas Desert. Water was ankle deep, and six inches up the main tires of Miss P'fer. Several of the thunderstorms were complete whiteouts. Never dreamed I would see anything like this in that local. I came through Terrell County AP on my 1994 flight around the country and to Alaska. Tied down in the same old T Hanger to get out of the sun then, but this time to get out of the rain and possible hail. On the way into Marfa, halfway between El Paso and Terrell County AP, I danced with the dust devils and did my best to outrun an enormous thunderstorm that was playing "cat and mouse" with me". When I felt cold air and a thump, looked over my left shoulder and saw the black cloud try to envelope me from the rear, then flank me on the left, I ran for 20 miles to Marfa, WOT and riding a bucking bronc on the edge of the storm. On top of that I had a full bladder, so the effort to arrive Marfa soonest was two fold. :-) When I get a chance, I will sit down and share my flight with you all. It ranks up there as one of the finest I have had since I started cross countrying ultralights and light planes 19 years ago. I must say that Miss P'fer and the 912S (now with 490.8 hours) performed impeccably. For an old home built experimental that came out of my basement nearly 12 years ago, she is without a doubt the best aircraft I have ever flown being pushed by the best recip engine I have ever flown in front of or behind, for that matter. I know the crusade for a better, cheaper, more reliable, and fuel efficient power plant for our little airplanes goes on, but you will not find a better engine than the 912 or 912S at any price. When one finds himself and his airplane over the Sierra Nevada Rockies at 14,500 feet, with the top of the highest mountain less than 600 feet under the main landing gear, a couple extra dollars for something that works is the least of my worries. I am not sponsored by Rotax, but I sure wish I was. I have done a lot of PR work for them whether I wanted to or not. They have a good product in the 912 series engines. My previous altitude record was 13,500 feet with the 912 over flat and nearly sea level ground level above Illinois or Indiana some years ago on the way home from Oshkosh. I decided I was high enough when I got cold as Hell dressed in shorts and T shirt. Dress the same way, OAT 28F, I was comfortable in Miss P'fers cabin heated to a lovely 70F by a beautiful CAVU sky and warm sun on the lexan. WHAT A FLIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!! I still have not unpacked all the bags and put up my gear from the flight. It is piled in the kitchen and living room of my old lake cabin I call home. It is good to be back, I miss the "gypsie" life of light plane cross countrying, but it is always good to get back home. Will take a few days to get back in the groove and overcome post flight depression and the let down after having such an exciting and enjoyable flight. Take care, john h PS: Anybody heard from John Williamson? Has he returned from his flight to Washington State? I was going to call his wife and check on him during my flight, but discovered I did not have his home phone in my "little black book" of phone numbers I have collected from all over the US, Canada, and Alaska. PSS: I am tired and have not taken the extra time to proof what I have typed. If I have made typos, gramatical errors, misspelled words, etc., please correct if you wish. :-) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:25 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Kolb-List: My latest trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Fellow Kolbers, I returned home last evening and have been catching up on everything today. The trip went very well and I met some of the nicest people in the world. The gathering at Monument Valley was the high point of the trip. You just can't find better people than those that fly or build Kolb aircraft. Here are the stats for my trip: Distance flown: 4696.9 nm, 5405.1 sm Flight time: 68 hours 25 minutes Average speed: 68.6 knots, 78.4 mph Fuel burned: 299.8 gallons Landings: 54 States landed in: 17 Lowest airport elevation: 210 feet below sea level Highest altitude flown: 11,000 feet msl Rides given to relatives: 23 Here are some links to some of the pictures I was able to take. More will be posted to my website in the next couple of days. I have looked at all the other photos posted of the Monument Valley trip and just had to add few to the growing list. http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0366.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0370.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0373.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0374.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0387.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0408.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0420.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0435.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0448.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0455.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0473.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0609.JPG http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0631.JPG John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 327 hours http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:50 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: My latest trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Hi John W/Gang: Great to hear you are home safely and had a good flight. I enjoyed the pics you posted and can not wait to see the others when you get them on your web site. I took 13 rolls of 35mm, 24 and some 36 exposures, during my flight. They are still in zip lock bags in red stuff sacks that have not been unloaded yet. I will try and get them in the shop tonight. Should get them back in a few days. Will also have them make up CDs so I can post on my index page for you all to see. I still have not gotten around to captioning the pics I made on my last Alaska flight, so don't expect any different on this flight. However, I will do my best. :-) As soon as I get the grass cut here at the house, at the airstrip, and a myriad of other chores that have been waiting for my return. The life of a bachelor is rough with no one to split the inside and outside chores with.......... These are John W's stats and I will post mine next to his for comparison. While we were at MV we had a chance to catch up on a lot of history for the past 35 years since we graduated from Army Rotary Wing Flight School. John was a couple classes and about a month behind me in flight school, AH-1G Transition Course, and arriving in VN. We discovered that we both use 65 kts or 75 mph ground speed to plan for our civilian flights in our Kolbs, and that we both usually come very close to that figure when the flight is complete. My 1994 flight was 17,400 miles long, I averaged 78 mph for the duration of the flight. Let me add, my figures are approximate, based on time off the hour meter. When I get time I will get actual distances, add up my gas burn, etc. > Distance flown: 4696.9 nm, 5405.1 sm 5287.5 sm > Flight time: 68 hours 25 minutes 70.5 hours > Average speed: 68.6 knots, 78.4 mph 75 mph (estimate) > Fuel burned: 299.8 gallons 350 gal bases on 5 gph X 70.5 hours > Landings: 54 Get those when I add up my log book numbers. > States landed in: 17 10 (Based on a quick count on my fingers and limited memory.) > Lowest airport elevation: 210 feet below sea level 211 feet below sea level at Furnace Creek, Death Valley, California. Probably same airport John W. landed. Sectional indicated 210, sign at Furnace Creek Airport indicated 211. > Highest altitude flown: 11,000 feet msl 14,500 feet msl > Rides given to relatives: 23 None, but did give Ziggy from El Paso, Larry Bourne, and two kids, 7 and 10 yrs old, a ride. It is surprising how close the stats are on the two flights, though one originated and terminated in Arlington, Texas, and the other in Titus, Alabama. Proud to say John W flies his cross country flights much the same as I do, roughing it, living with the airplane. Only way to go! Congratulations on your successful flight John W. john h PS: We'll have to compare notes soon. Bet we were not more than a day apart at Furnace Creek, Death Valley, California. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:34 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Conversion --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Can anyone write a brief description (summary is fine) of what's > involved in converting > a MKIII from a 582 to a 912? > > Thanks! > > Doug Wetzel Doug/Gang: I can! :-) john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:01 PM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: List Down? --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 5/31/03 2:12:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ronoy@shentel.net writes: > > I'm refraining from further epistolarian efforts until the list becomes > pertinacious. > > This a test. Do not reset any variables. Sweepers, start yer brooms. > > Delete before reading. > > Bob N. > > do not archive > > I hesitate to articulate for fear that I might deviate from the true course of rectitude GeorgeRandolph ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:25 PM PST US From: KRISTINA L GIBFRIED Subject: Kolb-List: Cutting 1/2" Plate --> Kolb-List message posted by: KRISTINA L GIBFRIED Due to the expense of spring landing gears I decided to make my own. My plans call for .5 x 4 x 72" with a taper starting 11.5" from centerline. I already had the bar cut to length, but have to cut the taper, 4 cuts. I put a cut off blade in a table saw and spent 15 minutes of chips burning my face for one cut. I even stopped short as the cut off was a perfect spear head and I could imagine it being kicked back by the blade and right through me. Does anyone have a beter way to make this cut in my garage with basic tools? Regards, Tim ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:17 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cutting 1/2" Plate --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" You're absolutely right - I've seen saws kick the material back hard enuf to go thru a wall. I think I'd find me a cutting torch, then grind the edges smooth. Can you send me some pics and description of what you're doing, off List ?? I'm looking at a different route, with the same type of end result in mind. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "KRISTINA L GIBFRIED" Subject: Kolb-List: Cutting 1/2" Plate > --> Kolb-List message posted by: KRISTINA L GIBFRIED > > > Due to the expense of spring landing gears I decided to make my own. My plans call for .5 x 4 x 72" with a taper starting 11.5" from centerline. I already had the bar cut to length, but have to cut the taper, 4 cuts. I put a cut off blade in a table saw and spent 15 minutes of chips burning my face for one cut. I even stopped short as the cut off was a perfect spear head and I could imagine it being kicked back by the blade and right through me. Does anyone have a beter way to make this cut in my garage with basic tools? > > Regards, > > Tim > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:11 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cutting 1/2" Plate --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Should've mentioned - if you clamp a straight edge of angle iron along the length of your cut, and use it to brace the torch's tip, you can make a very smooth cut with a torch, and have minimal grinding afterwards. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cutting 1/2" Plate > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > You're absolutely right - I've seen saws kick the material back hard enuf to > go thru a wall. I think I'd find me a cutting torch, then grind the edges > smooth. Can you send me some pics and description of what you're doing, off > List ?? I'm looking at a different route, with the same type of end result > in mind. Lar. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "KRISTINA L GIBFRIED" > To: > Subject: Kolb-List: Cutting 1/2" Plate > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: KRISTINA L GIBFRIED > > > > > > Due to the expense of spring landing gears I decided to make my own. My > plans call for .5 x 4 x 72" with a taper starting 11.5" from centerline. I > already had the bar cut to length, but have to cut the taper, 4 cuts. I put > a cut off blade in a table saw and spent 15 minutes of chips burning my face > for one cut. I even stopped short as the cut off was a perfect spear head > and I could imagine it being kicked back by the blade and right through me. > Does anyone have a beter way to make this cut in my garage with basic tools? > > > > Regards, > > > > Tim > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:14 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: My latest trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Great pics, John. I hope you'll put captions on them soon, so's we'll know where they were taken. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Williamson" Subject: Kolb-List: My latest trip > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > > Fellow Kolbers, > > I returned home last evening and have been catching up on everything today. > > The trip went very well and I met some of the nicest people in the world. The gathering at Monument Valley was the high point of the trip. You just can't find better people than those that fly or build Kolb aircraft. > > Here are the stats for my trip: > > Distance flown: 4696.9 nm, 5405.1 sm > Flight time: 68 hours 25 minutes > Average speed: 68.6 knots, 78.4 mph > Fuel burned: 299.8 gallons > Landings: 54 > States landed in: 17 > Lowest airport elevation: 210 feet below sea level > Highest altitude flown: 11,000 feet msl > Rides given to relatives: 23 > > Here are some links to some of the pictures I was able to take. More will be posted to my website in the next couple of days. I have looked at all the other photos posted of the Monument Valley trip and just had to add few to the growing list. > > http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0366.JPG > http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0370.JPG > http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0373.JPG > http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0374.JPG > http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0387.JPG > http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0408.JPG > http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0420.JPG > http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0435.JPG > http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0448.JPG > http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0455.JPG > http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0473.JPG > http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0609.JPG > http://home.attbi.com/~KolbraPilot3/KUIL/100_0631.JPG > > > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 327 hours > http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:01:37 PM PST US From: "Ian Heritch" Subject: Kolb-List: Swing the Compass --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" Friends, the instructions with my new adjustable compass (Pegasus PG2A) state that prior to adjusting I should "swing the compass". Of course they don't explain how to swing the compass. So, is it as simple as rotating the aircraft on the ground one or more times in one direction, and then rotating it again one or more times in the opposite direction? Please advise. Ian Heritch San Antonio, TX Slingshot, 912 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:01 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Kolb-List: cuttting steel --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean I dumped the note, but check out plasma cutters. Lots of machine shops have them and wouldn't charge much. Problem with the cutting torch is changing the structure of the neighboring metal - might not even be heat-treatable. -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:29 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Swing the Compass --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Boy, this is soooo tempting...but...I'll pass. Beauford? Grey Baron? Would'st care to have a go? (Be patient Ian, & we'll tell you all about it... Snarf, chortle, ROTFL) Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 10:01 PM 5/31/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" > >Friends, the instructions with my new adjustable compass (Pegasus PG2A) >state that prior to adjusting I should "swing the compass". Of course >they don't explain how to swing the compass. > >So, is it as simple as rotating the aircraft on the ground one or more >times in one direction, and then rotating it again one or more times in >the opposite direction? > >Please advise. > >Ian Heritch >San Antonio, TX Slingshot, 912 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:50 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: My latest trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com John W. I was just wondering if you were aware of the Texoma flyin the 6th,7th, &8th of june, and if you had plans of going. Im planning on being there on Sat. The 7th. Ed Diebel Do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:55 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Swing the Compass --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." It's midnight here and my keeper will shut me down err long. Tomorrow I'll expound on swinging vs. boxing--and maybe even say a word(s) or two about compasses. my carriage awaits Bob N. http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:22 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cutting 1/2" Plate --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Jeez Tim.....If I understand ya,,,you are trying to make a 4 inch deep cut...an edge wise on that 1/2 x4...whew....dont use a torch...you wont have spring steel when ya get done...just a piece of hot-rolled flat. Thats gonna take a serious grinding job or a awful good plasma cutter.....not a small one either. Dont know what you have in the garage,,....but thats a heavy duty cut...more than alot of small welding shops might attempt with any accuracy. Try a good size machine shop. http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Don Gherardini- FireFly 098