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1. 02:16 AM - 618 Rotax oil (Airgriff2@aol.com)
2. 10:18 AM - Firestar trim tabs? (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
3. 10:40 AM - Re: Firestar trim tabs? (John Hauck)
4. 11:11 AM - Re: Firestar trim tabs? (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
5. 12:02 PM - Bathroom Scales (Ian Heritch)
6. 12:13 PM - Brakes (Larry Bourne)
7. 12:25 PM - Re: Firestar trim tabs? (John Hauck)
8. 12:27 PM - Re: Bathroom Scales (Larry Bourne)
9. 12:40 PM - Re: Bathroom Scales (Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious)
10. 01:18 PM - MKIII Classic propeller clearance (Jason Omelchuck)
11. 01:21 PM - Re: Bathroom Scales (dama)
12. 02:27 PM - Re: Firestar trim tabs? (WillUribe@aol.com)
13. 02:57 PM - Re: Firestar trim tabs? (Jack & Louise Hart)
14. 03:13 PM - Re: Firestar trim tabs? (Bob N.)
15. 03:23 PM - Re: Firestar trim tabs? (John Hauck)
16. 03:32 PM - Re: Firestar trim tabs? (Bob N.)
17. 04:02 PM - Monument Valley 2003 (John Hauck)
18. 06:49 PM - Re: N616DR Airworthy (FIXERJONES@aol.com)
19. 09:15 PM - Ultralight trailer (Don Martin)
20. 11:47 PM - Re: Monument Valley 2003 (Larry Bourne)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
Can't remember if I mentioned this or not, but I learned at Sun & Fun from
Lockwood Aviation, that they are now recommendinng Penzoil Outboard motor oil
for the Rotax 618> This is the petrolium based not the synthetic blend. Again,
this is for the 618 only, not any other engines.
Fly Safe
Bob Griffin
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| Subject: | Firestar trim tabs? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
Experienced Kolbers,
I could not find, after searching in the archives for conclusive information on
where to place the trim tabs on a Kolb Firestar II.
The Kolb model is a Firestar II with a Rotax 503 with a B-gearbox. ( I believe
the prop is turning clockwise as you stand behind the engine )
1. Which side of the rudder should I place the tab? How big? length and width?
2. Should I place a tab on both elevators, or is one tab on one elevator enough?
If, so what is the length and width?
3. What about ailerons, should they both have trim tabs? Where on the aileron,
root end or the tip end? And length and width of tab.
Come on Firestar owners, after having and flying your plane over time what you
would do if you had to do it over again.
Should I even mess with trim tabs? I know you can trim the pitch some what with
aileron reflex. What about the rudder, does it need a tab. I am planning to
do many hours of cross country flying and know that tabs would be appreciated.
Maybe I am thinking too much and should just get along and cover this thing
and fly it. Sure would appreciate your input on or off the list.
Kindest regards,
Tim Gherkins
Firestar II in fabric covering stage
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar trim tabs? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Jim G/Gents/and Ladies:
Sorry I missed you while vacationing at Gila Bend
International Airport. However, I did get to
spend some quality time with Uncle Craig. :-)
If it were me, I would wait until I flew the
airplane on a short cross country to see if and
where I might need a trim tab. No need to hange
them all over the aircraft if you do not need
them.
I usually try tp put the tab on the side of the
control that will be doing the work. I use fabric
rivets because the are easy to drill out if
required. Also, .016 or .020 alum is good for
tabs, because they are easy to bend. On my
original Firestar I had a tab on right aileron,
rudder, and one elevator. After adjusting a
little to suit my needs, I had a great system that
did not need to be tampered and tinkered with. I
think the .016 I used would in fact deflect from
its original setting to compensate for increase in
airspeed. Was very happy with the way this little
airplane flew and handled.
john h
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| Subject: | Firestar trim tabs? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
John,
Excellent input on the .016 alum. and how it would deflect with increased airspeed.
I never thought of that. With a clockwise turning prop, which side of the
rudder should I place the tab?
Uncle Craig reported on all your advise and mods on your MarkIII. He was really
impressed, especially with your paint and paint scheme.
Regards,
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hauck [mailto:jhauck@elmore.rr.com]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar trim tabs?
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
think the .016 I used would in fact deflect from
its original setting to compensate for increase in
airspeed. Was very happy with the way this little
airplane flew and handled.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com>
Kolbers, are bathroom scales accurate enough to do the weight and balance? My
wife has been telling me for years how inaccurate our scale is.
Any suggestions?
Ian Heritch
San Antonio, TX
Slingshot, ready to do weight & balance
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
When I sent the message about my old wheels and brakes being for sale, I forgot
to mention that they have the 15x6.00-6 Chen Shin tires mounted. I also have
a pair of partially worn, but good Carlisle 15x6.00-6 tires that will go with
the set-up. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar trim tabs? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
With a clockwise turning prop, which side of the
rudder should I place the tab?
Tim G
Tim/Gang:
How come you asking an old fart who hasn't owned a
two stroke in 10 years which side to put the
rudder trim tab on? :-) The smiley face is for
all the Kolbers who feel I am a meany, or
something to that effect. hehehehe Because I
don't beat around the bush, call a spade a spade,
and tell it like it is or was, doesn't make me a
meany. Just an ornery old fart, but not as old as
my Brother Jim or a flying friend I affectionately
refer to as "old as dirt".
Since my 912S rotates opposite the two strokes, I
would guess it goes on the right or starboard side
of the rudder, with bend to right to deflect
rudder left. Ya'll check me out since I have not
drawn myself a picture of all this. Again, I
would wait and fly the bird a good bit to insure I
really understand what it needs before I start
drilling holes and riveting.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Bathroom Scales |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
She has, huh ?? Dare we answer that ?? :-) I borrowed 2 top end
bathroom scales from work (a luxury hotel), weighed myself on each of them,
then on a balance beam scale in the spa. They all agreed with each other,
so I used them. Be very careful about the plane moving while on the scales.
On my 1st attempt, with my own bathroom scale, while fooling with the
tailwheel height to get the correct angle of attack, the right landing gear
wheel rolled off the scale and trashed it. Too much weight in one corner -
bent the frame. Fairly new, good quality scale, and it was junk in about 2
seconds. Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Bathroom Scales
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" <iheritch@satx.rr.com>
>
> Kolbers, are bathroom scales accurate enough to do the weight and
balance? My wife has been telling me for years how inaccurate our scale is.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Ian Heritch
> San Antonio, TX
>
> Slingshot, ready to do weight & balance
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bathroom Scales |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Ian, you are going to need at least 3 scales, one for each wheel. Calibrate them
by weighing yourself on one and setting the others to match. You can then rotate
the scales between the wheels a couple times to make sure you are getting
accurate readings.
Bob
N57MB "Wait'n on the FAA"
Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious<EM>Tenacity Farm </EM>
Campbellsburg, Kentucky
From: "Ian Heritch" <IHERITCH@SATX.RR.COM>
Subject: Kolb-List: Bathroom Scales
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" <IHERITCH@SATX.RR.COM>
Kolbers, are bathroom scales accurate enough to do the weight and balance? My wife
has been telling me for years how inaccurate our scale is.
Any suggestions?
Ian Heritch
San Antonio, TX
Slingshot, ready to do weight balance
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| Subject: | MKIII Classic propeller clearance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jason Omelchuck <jason@acuityinc.com>
I am in the process of manufacturing a motor mount for my MKIII classic and
need some information. IVO propellers says that I need 5 inches clearance
from any structure. I have already mounted my flap horns at the rearward
angle but my wings are not with my plane and I cannot check the clearance.
Can anyone tell me the distance from any fixed point (rear of the engine
mount) to the flap horns (angled rearward). Or from any fixed point to the
propeller (with 5 inches of clearance from the flap horns to the propeller).
I know I can remount my flap horns and gain an inch or so of clearance, but
I would like to first try and build it into my engine mount.
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Bathroom Scales |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "dama" <dama@mindspring.com>
Yes Ian, borrow 2 other scales and see if the 3 are even close. Borrow
another if one is way off. When they are in place under the wheels rotate
all of them around 3 times for an average. The general consensus you will
find is that this will be close enough.
Kip
http://www.springeraviation.net/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Bathroom Scales
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious"
<bbrocious@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Ian, you are going to need at least 3 scales, one for each wheel.
Calibrate them by weighing yourself on one and setting the others to match.
You can then rotate the scales between the wheels a couple times to make
sure you are getting accurate readings.
>
> Bob
>
> N57MB "Wait'n on the FAA"
>
>
> Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious<EM>Tenacity Farm </EM>
>
> Campbellsburg, Kentucky
>
>
> From: "Ian Heritch" <IHERITCH@SATX.RR.COM>
> To: <KOLB-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Bathroom Scales
> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:00:54 -0500
>
> -- Kolb-List message posted by: "Ian Heritch" <IHERITCH@SATX.RR.COM>
>
> Kolbers, are bathroom scales accurate enough to do the weight and balance?
My wife has been telling me for years how inaccurate our scale is.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Ian Heritch
> San Antonio, TX
>
> Slingshot, ready to do weight balance
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar trim tabs? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Tim,
Right now I'm working in Janesville, WI but as soon as I get home I'll look
up the trim tab drawings from the old Kolb and mail them to you.
BTW: I don't have trim tabs on my FireStar II, didn't need them and I do have
a few hours of cross country flights.
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
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> Should I even mess with trim tabs?=A0 I know you can trim the pitch some what
with aileron reflex.=A0 What about the rudder, does it need a tab.=A0 I am
planning to do many hours of cross country flying and know that tabs would be
appreciated.=A0 Maybe I am thinking too much and should just get along and cover
this
thing and fly it.=A0 Sure would appreciate your input on or off the list.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar trim tabs? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 10:17 AM 6/4/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
>
>Experienced Kolbers,
>
>I could not find, after searching in the archives for conclusive information on
where to place the trim tabs on a Kolb Firestar II.
>
>The Kolb model is a Firestar II with a Rotax 503 with a B-gearbox. ( I believe
the prop is turning clockwise as you stand behind the engine )
>
>1. Which side of the rudder should I place the tab? How big? length and width?
>
>2. Should I place a tab on both elevators, or is one tab on one elevator enough?
If, so what is the length and width?
>
>3. What about ailerons, should they both have trim tabs? Where on the aileron,
root end or the tip end? And length and width of tab.
>
Tim,
1. Assuming your Firestar II is reasonably well rigged, there is no need for a
tab on the rudder. Just adjust engine tilt until the ball becomes centered at
cruise with no pressure on the rudder pedals. See:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly56.html
2. & 3. Very light in cockpit adjustable trims can be fitted to the aileron and
elevator control horns in the cockpit with the use of guitar string tighteners,
woven fish line and some bungee cord. There is nothing to come loose on the
elevator or aileron and the possible flutter problems if it does come loose.
These trim mechanisms can be seen at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly57.html
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly51.html
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly76.html
It is best to test fly without trim so that one can determine where the trims need
to be placed. If one has to fly with too much back or forward stick, one
may want to adjust the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer before addressing
elevator trim.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar trim tabs? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
While I don't have a Firestar, I do have CW prop. My rudder tab is on rt
side of rudder, bent rt on FireFly
Bob N. pee ess----Maybe that's why it flies so squirrely!
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar trim tabs? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Bob N. pee ess----Maybe that's why it flies so squirrely!
Bob N/Gang:
Could be the pilot. Uh Oh! Heading for my
bunker..............
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar trim tabs? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Now lookie hear, Jawn
I've got R and L stencilled on my shoes...but, maybe?
BN
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| Subject: | Monument Valley 2003 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Kolbers:
These are pics taken by Jim Hefner. The aerial
shots were made from his Kolb Fire Fly:
http://home.sw.rr.com/jhauck/Monument%20Valley%202003/Jim%20Hefner/
john h
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| Subject: | Re: N616DR Airworthy |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FIXERJONES@aol.com
how well does it fly with the 690L70? i think that setup would be a great
one
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| Subject: | Ultralight trailer |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Martin" <kolbdriver@hotmail.com>
Hello members,
I've got the chance to buy a 25 ft trailer for my Firestar II, but don't if
it's suitable. The trailer has tandem torsion axles, each rated at 3,500
lbs. Think it was originally designed as a snowmobile (4) trailer, and the
owner had its roof raised 1 ft for more prop and tail clearance. Has only
about 800 miles on it so far.
Would the suspension be too stiff for an ultralight? Can the torsion axles
be "detuned" to a softer suspension?
Thanks.
Don Kolbdriver@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley 2003 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Great Stuff ! ! ! Thanks much, Jim & John. Sure brings back good memories.
I've also finished going thru John Williamson's pics of his flight, and got
a little homesick. I spent a fair portion of my life in the Port Angeles,
WA area on the Olympic Peninsula, and have flown to all the places he
mentioned. Also spent a lot of time in northern Idaho, and have many good
memories of that country, too. Thanks John. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Monument Valley 2003
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Kolbers:
>
> These are pics taken by Jim Hefner. The aerial
> shots were made from his Kolb Fire Fly:
>
> http://home.sw.rr.com/jhauck/Monument%20Valley%202003/Jim%20Hefner/
>
> john h
>
>
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