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1. 03:54 AM - Re: Re: Geo (Kirk Smith)
2. 09:00 AM - VW (Rick & Martha Neilsen)
3. 01:57 PM - Michigan Thumb Tour (Fackler, Ken)
4. 03:25 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (John Williamson)
5. 03:37 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (John Hauck)
6. 04:01 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (WillUribe@aol.com)
7. 04:05 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Fackler, Ken)
8. 04:12 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Fackler, Ken)
9. 04:44 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Kirk Smith)
10. 05:03 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Fackler, Ken)
11. 05:28 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Rick & Martha Neilsen)
12. 05:43 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Kirk Smith)
13. 05:49 PM - Air Ralley (possums)
14. 06:09 PM - Re: Air Ralley (John Hauck)
15. 06:15 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (ronnie wehba)
16. 06:54 PM - Re: Texoma Ultralight Gathering (DAquaNut@aol.com)
17. 07:07 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Bob N.)
18. 07:18 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Richard Harris)
19. 07:23 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Richard Harris)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> If your had to hang your VW engine from a hook with everything but the
> prop, what would it weigh?
> Also what kind of fuel consumption are you seeing?
> I like the VW but they seem heavy.
> jerb
Some weights for VW engines here.... http://www.altimizer.com/specs.html
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Rick & Martha Neilsen <neilsenrm@comcast.net>
I never weighed the complete VW engine package but when I add up the weights
that Great Plains Aircraft publishes (I consider them to much more
reputable) I figured it once to be app 10lbs more than a Rotax 912. My fuel
burn appears to be between 3.5 and 5 gallons per hour depending on the power
usage. I need to start doing some cross county flying to get a good fuel
usage figure but it will be in the 3.5-4 GPH range at a low power 3200RPM
75MPH cruise.
Currently my MKIII likes to fly in the 75-79MPH range. I have a number of
streamlining plans, the first of which will be pulling in the doors like the
Richard Pike has done but I wanted to keep the airframe the same till I
finished all the engine work.
My current air speeds are:
RPM MPH(GPS)
3000 70
3200 75
3300 78-79
3700 93 Full Throttle
3400 55 Full Throttle Climb
3500 60 Full Throttle Climb
As you can see at 3200RPM cruise the engine is loafing and will hopefully
live a long and happy life. The reduction drive engine has had a problem
with low CHT and oil temps that I'm still working on eg. oil temp of no more
than 180 degrees and CHT of 300 degrees but these are easy problems. The CHT
on the ground has to be watched as it will climb if I sit on the ground
running too long (10 minutes maximum) with no air blowing thru the cooling
scoops.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIII classic
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jerb
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Geo
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
Rick,
If your had to hang your VW engine from a hook with everything but the
prop, what would it weigh?
Also what kind of fuel consumption are you seeing?
I like the VW but they seem heavy.
jerb
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| Subject: | Michigan Thumb Tour |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Well, fellow Kolbers, the trip around Michigan's Thumb was a big success and a
big hit with the local populace. If you'd like to see a few pictures I took, here's
a link:
http://www.hiperlightaircraft.com/thumb_tour_03/
There were 13 planes, 4 of which were Kolbs!
Mark II - Ken Fackler (hey, that's me!)
Mark II - Ken Beaupre
Firefly - Dominic Tringali
Firestar - Mark Grey
The first three are all based at my home field.
-Ken Fackler
Mark II / 503
Rochester MI
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan Thumb Tour |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@attbi.com>
Hi Ken, and fellow Kolb Flyers,
Nice photos of your group of Kolb's and others.
One question. What is "Michigan's Thumb"?
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 331 hours
http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan Thumb Tour |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> One question. What is "Michigan's Thumb"?
>
> John Williamson
Hi John W/Others:
I was wondering what they did with it. :-)
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan Thumb Tour |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
I know, I know.....
Lower Michigan has the shape of a mitt, the fingers are one part, the thumb
is the other part and the upper peninsula is called the UP.
Something I learned when I lived in Michigan.
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <<A HREF"mailto:jhauck@elmore.rr.com">jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <<A HREF"mailto:jhauck@elmore.rr.com">jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> > One question.=A0 What is "Michigan's Thumb"?
> >
> > John Williamson
>
> Hi John W/Others:
>
> I was wondering what they did with it.=A0 :-)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan Thumb Tour |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
> > One question. What is "Michigan's Thumb"?
> > John Williamson
> I was wondering what they did with it. :-)
> john h
We used our props to give it a nice manicure, of course!
-Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan Thumb Tour |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
>> One question.=What is "Michigan's Thumb?
> John Williamson
> I know, I know.....
> Lower Michigan has the shape of a mitt, the fingers are one part, the
thumb
> Will Uribe
Okay, very nice, Will.
Do also you know what people who LIVE in the UP are called by those who
don't?
And what people who live in the UP call those of us who don't?
-Ken
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan Thumb Tour |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> I was wondering what they did with it. :-)
Plant corn, beans, sugar beets, oats, wheat, potatoes, carrots, blueberries,
and myriad of other crops in it. Some of the finest maple syrup in the world
comes from it's Sugar Maples. Raise a lot of waterfowl in it's swamps and
marshes. A few 200+ lb. whitetail bucks roam it's forests and fields.
Sticks right into some of the best Walleye fishing on the planet. Not a bad
place to live at all..........Kirk
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan Thumb Tour |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Oh, well said, my friend, well said!!
Folks, Kirk is going to have a miniature version of the Michigan Thumb Tour
at his home next Saturday. He's hosting the monthly meeting of the Greater
Thumb Ultralight Flyers and most of us, weather permitting, will be flying
to get there. Whooooo hoo!
Thanks, Snuffy!
-Ken
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
>
> > I was wondering what they did with it. :-)
>
>
> Plant corn, beans, sugar beets, oats, wheat, potatoes, carrots,
blueberries,
> and myriad of other crops in it. Some of the finest maple syrup in the
world
> comes from it's Sugar Maples. Raise a lot of waterfowl in it's swamps and
> marshes. A few 200+ lb. whitetail bucks roam it's forests and fields.
> Sticks right into some of the best Walleye fishing on the planet. Not a
bad
> place to live at all..........Kirk
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Michigan Thumb Tour |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Rick & Martha Neilsen <neilsenrm@comcast.net>
Are these flights open to other Kolb flyers in the area? If they are and you
give us some notice there are a few MKIIIs in the Lansing MI area that might
join in. Also there is a 1400' strip next to my house that will welcome any
light plane.
Also still looking to put together or join a flight to Oshkosh this year.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIII
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fackler, Ken
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Oh, well said, my friend, well said!!
Folks, Kirk is going to have a miniature version of the Michigan Thumb Tour
at his home next Saturday. He's hosting the monthly meeting of the Greater
Thumb Ultralight Flyers and most of us, weather permitting, will be flying
to get there. Whooooo hoo!
Thanks, Snuffy!
-Ken
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
>
> > I was wondering what they did with it. :-)
>
>
> Plant corn, beans, sugar beets, oats, wheat, potatoes, carrots,
blueberries,
> and myriad of other crops in it. Some of the finest maple syrup in the
world
> comes from it's Sugar Maples. Raise a lot of waterfowl in it's swamps and
> marshes. A few 200+ lb. whitetail bucks roam it's forests and fields.
> Sticks right into some of the best Walleye fishing on the planet. Not a
bad
> place to live at all..........Kirk
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan Thumb Tour |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> Are these flights open to other Kolb flyers in the area? If they are and
you
> give us some notice there are a few MKIIIs in the Lansing MI area that
might
> join in.
Can't speak for the club but everybody is welcome here next saturday. Kirk
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
2003 GSFA AIR RALLY
Saturday, June 14 (Campers Welcome Fri-Sat; rain date: June 15)
Etowah Bend Gliderport, Kingston , Ga
Flying Competition: (Torpedo Run, Bomb Drop, Spot Landing);
RC Airplane demos, Raffles ,Silent Auction, Campfire,
All Nite Poker Game (bring lots of money and the title to your plane)
Great Food, Fun, Candy Drop & Moonwalk for the Kids
directions
http://www.georgiasportflyers.com/pages/ar.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> 2003 GSFA AIR RALLY
> Saturday, June 14 (Campers Welcome Fri-Sat; rain date: June 15)
> Etowah Bend Gliderport, Kingston , Ga
Possum/Gang:
I'll try and be there. Think we might be able to
go over to that little resturant we went to last
year?
Folks, this is a good little flyin and a lot of
fun. Located in a great area.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan Thumb Tour |
BAYES_30, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,
REFERENCES)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
Hey john, it must be sum'tin we ain't got here in texas,,ron out west in
sweetwater
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@attbi.com>
>
> Hi Ken, and fellow Kolb Flyers,
>
> Nice photos of your group of Kolb's and others.
>
> One question. What is "Michigan's Thumb"?
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 331 hours
> http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Texoma Ultralight Gathering |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
Just a little report on the Flyin at Bowie Texas, June 6,7,&,8. There was
a total of 4 Kolbs. I believe 3 were from Oklahoma. I got my chance to meet
John Williamson and to see his great looking Kolbra that I have been hearing
so much about. What a nice guy. He was nice enough to give me a ride & let me
fly from the back seat. It was my first flight in a Kolb. Im sure I made the
right decision to build a Kolb now. If my Firefly flys at all like his Kolbra I
will be very pleased. Got my engine on Friday. I have my enclosed trailer,
almost finnished. After the flight in Johns Kolbra Im fired up to finish my
Firefly. Maybe I wiIl join the ranks of the flying before too long.
Thanks for the flight John,
Ed Diebel
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan Thumb Tour |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
And did you know that the teeny town at the end of the Thumb is
Grindstone City...and the next town south is Bad Axe. Put IFF on radar
at Bad Axe in '51.
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan Thumb Tour |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Really nice photos Ken, I enjoyed them very much. By the way photo #23
Kolb row, that first airplane is NOT a Kolb!!. But it is a infringement of
a...... Kolb..
C-ya
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Richard Harris
MK3 N912RH
Lewisville, Arkansas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
>
> Well, fellow Kolbers, the trip around Michigan's Thumb was a big success
and a big hit with the local populace. If you'd like to see a few pictures I
took, here's a link:
>
> http://www.hiperlightaircraft.com/thumb_tour_03/
>
> There were 13 planes, 4 of which were Kolbs!
>
> Mark II - Ken Fackler (hey, that's me!)
> Mark II - Ken Beaupre
> Firefly - Dominic Tringali
> Firestar - Mark Grey
>
> The first three are all based at my home field.
>
> -Ken Fackler
> Mark II / 503
> Rochester MI
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Michigan Thumb Tour |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Bob, You said almost 5 years ago you would never embarrass me again, now
look what you have done.....
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Richard Harris
MK3 N912RH
Lewisville, Arkansas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
>
> And did you know that the teeny town at the end of the Thumb is
> Grindstone City...and the next town south is Bad Axe. Put IFF on radar
> at Bad Axe in '51.
>
> Bob N.
>
>
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