---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/08/03: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:54 AM - Re: Re: Geo (Kirk Smith) 2. 09:00 AM - VW (Rick & Martha Neilsen) 3. 01:57 PM - Michigan Thumb Tour (Fackler, Ken) 4. 03:25 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (John Williamson) 5. 03:37 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (John Hauck) 6. 04:01 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (WillUribe@aol.com) 7. 04:05 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Fackler, Ken) 8. 04:12 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Fackler, Ken) 9. 04:44 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Kirk Smith) 10. 05:03 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Fackler, Ken) 11. 05:28 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Rick & Martha Neilsen) 12. 05:43 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Kirk Smith) 13. 05:49 PM - Air Ralley (possums) 14. 06:09 PM - Re: Air Ralley (John Hauck) 15. 06:15 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (ronnie wehba) 16. 06:54 PM - Re: Texoma Ultralight Gathering (DAquaNut@aol.com) 17. 07:07 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Bob N.) 18. 07:18 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Richard Harris) 19. 07:23 PM - Re: Michigan Thumb Tour (Richard Harris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:56 AM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Geo --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > If your had to hang your VW engine from a hook with everything but the > prop, what would it weigh? > Also what kind of fuel consumption are you seeing? > I like the VW but they seem heavy. > jerb Some weights for VW engines here.... http://www.altimizer.com/specs.html Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:51 AM PST US From: Rick & Martha Neilsen Subject: Kolb-List: VW --> Kolb-List message posted by: Rick & Martha Neilsen I never weighed the complete VW engine package but when I add up the weights that Great Plains Aircraft publishes (I consider them to much more reputable) I figured it once to be app 10lbs more than a Rotax 912. My fuel burn appears to be between 3.5 and 5 gallons per hour depending on the power usage. I need to start doing some cross county flying to get a good fuel usage figure but it will be in the 3.5-4 GPH range at a low power 3200RPM 75MPH cruise. Currently my MKIII likes to fly in the 75-79MPH range. I have a number of streamlining plans, the first of which will be pulling in the doors like the Richard Pike has done but I wanted to keep the airframe the same till I finished all the engine work. My current air speeds are: RPM MPH(GPS) 3000 70 3200 75 3300 78-79 3700 93 Full Throttle 3400 55 Full Throttle Climb 3500 60 Full Throttle Climb As you can see at 3200RPM cruise the engine is loafing and will hopefully live a long and happy life. The reduction drive engine has had a problem with low CHT and oil temps that I'm still working on eg. oil temp of no more than 180 degrees and CHT of 300 degrees but these are easy problems. The CHT on the ground has to be watched as it will climb if I sit on the ground running too long (10 minutes maximum) with no air blowing thru the cooling scoops. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIII classic -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Geo --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Rick, If your had to hang your VW engine from a hook with everything but the prop, what would it weigh? Also what kind of fuel consumption are you seeing? I like the VW but they seem heavy. jerb ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:36 PM PST US From: "Fackler, Ken" Subject: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" Well, fellow Kolbers, the trip around Michigan's Thumb was a big success and a big hit with the local populace. If you'd like to see a few pictures I took, here's a link: http://www.hiperlightaircraft.com/thumb_tour_03/ There were 13 planes, 4 of which were Kolbs! Mark II - Ken Fackler (hey, that's me!) Mark II - Ken Beaupre Firefly - Dominic Tringali Firestar - Mark Grey The first three are all based at my home field. -Ken Fackler Mark II / 503 Rochester MI ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:57 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Hi Ken, and fellow Kolb Flyers, Nice photos of your group of Kolb's and others. One question. What is "Michigan's Thumb"? John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 331 hours http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:57 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > One question. What is "Michigan's Thumb"? > > John Williamson Hi John W/Others: I was wondering what they did with it. :-) john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:21 PM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com I know, I know..... Lower Michigan has the shape of a mitt, the fingers are one part, the thumb is the other part and the upper peninsula is called the UP. Something I learned when I lived in Michigan. Will Uribe El Paso, TX FireStar II N4GU C-172 N2506U http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/ do not archive =A0 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > > > > One question.=A0 What is "Michigan's Thumb"? > > > > John Williamson > > Hi John W/Others: > > I was wondering what they did with it.=A0 :-) > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:38 PM PST US From: "Fackler, Ken" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" > > One question. What is "Michigan's Thumb"? > > John Williamson > I was wondering what they did with it. :-) > john h We used our props to give it a nice manicure, of course! -Ken DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:16 PM PST US From: "Fackler, Ken" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" >> One question.=What is "Michigan's Thumb? > John Williamson > I know, I know..... > Lower Michigan has the shape of a mitt, the fingers are one part, the thumb > Will Uribe Okay, very nice, Will. Do also you know what people who LIVE in the UP are called by those who don't? And what people who live in the UP call those of us who don't? -Ken do not archive - this is getting silly ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:48 PM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > I was wondering what they did with it. :-) Plant corn, beans, sugar beets, oats, wheat, potatoes, carrots, blueberries, and myriad of other crops in it. Some of the finest maple syrup in the world comes from it's Sugar Maples. Raise a lot of waterfowl in it's swamps and marshes. A few 200+ lb. whitetail bucks roam it's forests and fields. Sticks right into some of the best Walleye fishing on the planet. Not a bad place to live at all..........Kirk Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:40 PM PST US From: "Fackler, Ken" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" Oh, well said, my friend, well said!! Folks, Kirk is going to have a miniature version of the Michigan Thumb Tour at his home next Saturday. He's hosting the monthly meeting of the Greater Thumb Ultralight Flyers and most of us, weather permitting, will be flying to get there. Whooooo hoo! Thanks, Snuffy! -Ken do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > > > > I was wondering what they did with it. :-) > > > Plant corn, beans, sugar beets, oats, wheat, potatoes, carrots, blueberries, > and myriad of other crops in it. Some of the finest maple syrup in the world > comes from it's Sugar Maples. Raise a lot of waterfowl in it's swamps and > marshes. A few 200+ lb. whitetail bucks roam it's forests and fields. > Sticks right into some of the best Walleye fishing on the planet. Not a bad > place to live at all..........Kirk > > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:17 PM PST US From: Rick & Martha Neilsen Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour --> Kolb-List message posted by: Rick & Martha Neilsen Are these flights open to other Kolb flyers in the area? If they are and you give us some notice there are a few MKIIIs in the Lansing MI area that might join in. Also there is a 1400' strip next to my house that will welcome any light plane. Also still looking to put together or join a flight to Oshkosh this year. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIII -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fackler, Ken Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" Oh, well said, my friend, well said!! Folks, Kirk is going to have a miniature version of the Michigan Thumb Tour at his home next Saturday. He's hosting the monthly meeting of the Greater Thumb Ultralight Flyers and most of us, weather permitting, will be flying to get there. Whooooo hoo! Thanks, Snuffy! -Ken do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > > > > I was wondering what they did with it. :-) > > > Plant corn, beans, sugar beets, oats, wheat, potatoes, carrots, blueberries, > and myriad of other crops in it. Some of the finest maple syrup in the world > comes from it's Sugar Maples. Raise a lot of waterfowl in it's swamps and > marshes. A few 200+ lb. whitetail bucks roam it's forests and fields. > Sticks right into some of the best Walleye fishing on the planet. Not a bad > place to live at all..........Kirk > > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:04 PM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > Are these flights open to other Kolb flyers in the area? If they are and you > give us some notice there are a few MKIIIs in the Lansing MI area that might > join in. Can't speak for the club but everybody is welcome here next saturday. Kirk Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:15 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Kolb-List: Air Ralley --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums 2003 GSFA AIR RALLY Saturday, June 14 (Campers Welcome Fri-Sat; rain date: June 15) Etowah Bend Gliderport, Kingston , Ga Flying Competition: (Torpedo Run, Bomb Drop, Spot Landing); RC Airplane demos, Raffles ,Silent Auction, Campfire, All Nite Poker Game (bring lots of money and the title to your plane) Great Food, Fun, Candy Drop & Moonwalk for the Kids directions http://www.georgiasportflyers.com/pages/ar.htm ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:34 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Air Ralley --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > 2003 GSFA AIR RALLY > Saturday, June 14 (Campers Welcome Fri-Sat; rain date: June 15) > Etowah Bend Gliderport, Kingston , Ga Possum/Gang: I'll try and be there. Think we might be able to go over to that little resturant we went to last year? Folks, this is a good little flyin and a lot of fun. Located in a great area. john h ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:37 PM PST US From: "ronnie wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour BAYES_30, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" Hey john, it must be sum'tin we ain't got here in texas,,ron out west in sweetwater ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Williamson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > > Hi Ken, and fellow Kolb Flyers, > > Nice photos of your group of Kolb's and others. > > One question. What is "Michigan's Thumb"? > > > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 331 hours > http://home.attbi.com/~kolbrapilot > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:03 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Texoma Ultralight Gathering --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com Just a little report on the Flyin at Bowie Texas, June 6,7,&,8. There was a total of 4 Kolbs. I believe 3 were from Oklahoma. I got my chance to meet John Williamson and to see his great looking Kolbra that I have been hearing so much about. What a nice guy. He was nice enough to give me a ride & let me fly from the back seat. It was my first flight in a Kolb. Im sure I made the right decision to build a Kolb now. If my Firefly flys at all like his Kolbra I will be very pleased. Got my engine on Friday. I have my enclosed trailer, almost finnished. After the flight in Johns Kolbra Im fired up to finish my Firefly. Maybe I wiIl join the ranks of the flying before too long. Thanks for the flight John, Ed Diebel Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:33 PM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." And did you know that the teeny town at the end of the Thumb is Grindstone City...and the next town south is Bad Axe. Put IFF on radar at Bad Axe in '51. Bob N. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:58 PM PST US From: "Richard Harris" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" Really nice photos Ken, I enjoyed them very much. By the way photo #23 Kolb row, that first airplane is NOT a Kolb!!. But it is a infringement of a...... Kolb.. C-ya Do not archive. Richard Harris MK3 N912RH Lewisville, Arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fackler, Ken" Subject: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" > > Well, fellow Kolbers, the trip around Michigan's Thumb was a big success and a big hit with the local populace. If you'd like to see a few pictures I took, here's a link: > > http://www.hiperlightaircraft.com/thumb_tour_03/ > > There were 13 planes, 4 of which were Kolbs! > > Mark II - Ken Fackler (hey, that's me!) > Mark II - Ken Beaupre > Firefly - Dominic Tringali > Firestar - Mark Grey > > The first three are all based at my home field. > > -Ken Fackler > Mark II / 503 > Rochester MI > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:22 PM PST US From: "Richard Harris" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" Bob, You said almost 5 years ago you would never embarrass me again, now look what you have done..... do not archive Richard Harris MK3 N912RH Lewisville, Arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Michigan Thumb Tour > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." > > And did you know that the teeny town at the end of the Thumb is > Grindstone City...and the next town south is Bad Axe. Put IFF on radar > at Bad Axe in '51. > > Bob N. > >