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1. 02:00 AM - Thanks! (Doug Lawton)
2. 06:10 AM - leegle matters (Bob Bean)
3. 06:25 AM - Re: leegle matters (Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious)
4. 06:51 AM - Re: leegle matters (Cy Galley)
5. 07:50 AM - Firewall question (Timandjan@aol.com)
6. 07:50 AM - Re: leegle matters (Timandjan@aol.com)
7. 07:59 AM - Re: Firewall question (RFG842@aol.com)
8. 08:13 AM - Re: Firewall question (Bruce McElhoe)
9. 09:03 AM - Re: Firewall question (Cy Galley)
10. 09:39 AM - Re: leegle matters (jerb)
11. 10:32 AM - Re: Firewall question (Timandjan@aol.com)
12. 10:39 AM - Re: Thanks! (DAquaNut@aol.com)
13. 12:13 PM - Re: Firewall question (jerb)
14. 03:05 PM - Re: Firewall question (Bob N.)
15. 04:04 PM - Pensacola Fl. ultralight deaths (John Cooley)
16. 04:25 PM - Re: Thanks! (Larry Bourne)
17. 05:07 PM - Re: Thanks! (Beauford Tuton)
18. 05:19 PM - Re: Thanks! (Beauford Tuton)
19. 10:07 PM - Re: Rectifer (DAquaNut@aol.com)
20. 10:40 PM - Trip from Minnesota to Houston (Robert Laird)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Kolbers,
I would just like to publically thank Bill Teuton (sp?) for taking time out
of his busy schedule this past Sunday to give my wife and I the
"nickle" tour of his beautiful Kolb airplane and for showing us around his
home airfield. You are a most gratious host.
It was great meeting you Bill, and I look forward to bringing my little
plane down to Brandon sometime in the future and committing some aviation
with you. Looks like a fantastic area to fly and sightsee!
Thanks again and fly safely,
Doug Lawton
NE Georgia & Whitwell TN
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Hey guys, do they want you to keep both engine and airplane logbooks
for experimentals? Seems like one would be good enuff.......but you
do what ya gotta do. -BB do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: leegle matters |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Bob, according to the FAA for N numbered experimentals you have to have both to
get it certified.
Bob
Campbellsburg, Kentucky
From: Bob Bean <SLYCK@FRONTIERNET.NET>
Subject: Kolb-List: leegle matters
-- Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <SLYCK@FRONTIERNET.NET>
Hey guys, do they want you to keep both engine and airplane logbooks
for experimentals? Seems like one would be good enuff.......but you
do what ya gotta do. -BB do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: leegle matters |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
One would work until you needed to change the engine. You need to have a
log that can follow the engine and airframe separately. That is why there
are two. It is even recommended, especially for constant speed props that
you have a prop log as well.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: leegle matters
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious"
<bbrocious@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Bob, according to the FAA for N numbered experimentals you have to have
both to get it certified.
> Bob
>
>
> Campbellsburg, Kentucky
>
>
> From: Bob Bean <SLYCK@FRONTIERNET.NET>
> To: kolb <KOLB-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> Subject: Kolb-List: leegle matters
> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:16:09 -0400
>
> -- Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <SLYCK@FRONTIERNET.NET>
>
> Hey guys, do they want you to keep both engine and airplane logbooks
> for experimentals? Seems like one would be good enuff.......but you
> do what ya gotta do. -BB do not archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Firewall question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
Does anybody know if an aluminum firewall is OK in an experimental??? Lots of
knowledge on this list, this is for my other plane project, the firewall that
came with the kit is a piece of galvanized metal, ugly and heavy. It has been
suggested to use stainless steel as an alternative, is aluminum acceptable.
Aluminum is easier for me to get and to work with.
I can't seem to get a confirmed answer on what is required.
Thanks
Tim
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: leegle matters |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
I don't have a seperate log for airframe and engine, combined mine. I am sure
that it is corect to have both, but they did not require this when I had my
plane signed off, I had both the engine and airrame listed in the same logbook
ans that wad ok to them. Who knows if it will be a problem in the future. I
have found that the FAA requires different things from different people. One
inspector requires one thing and another something else.
Tim
Do NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: RFG842@aol.com
Tim
Skip the aluminum idea. Best bet is stainless but by the time it's installed
and all of the accessories added, the scratches and dings will be apparent.
Alum will burn quickly and any small fire and you will be toast.
Had a buddy once had an engine fire in an ag aircraft. He didn't make it
down. Not a pretty sight.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce McElhoe" <mcelhoe@cvip.net>
Tim,
See FAR 23.1191
Bruce McElhoe
FF #88
> Does anybody know if an aluminum firewall is OK in an experimental???
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Aluminum melts!
----- Original Message -----
From: <Timandjan@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Firewall question
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
>
> Does anybody know if an aluminum firewall is OK in an experimental??? Lots
of
> knowledge on this list, this is for my other plane project, the firewall
that
> came with the kit is a piece of galvanized metal, ugly and heavy. It has
been
> suggested to use stainless steel as an alternative, is aluminum
acceptable.
> Aluminum is easier for me to get and to work with.
>
> I can't seem to get a confirmed answer on what is required.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tim
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: leegle matters |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
I would immediately start the process to separate them. If you have the
engine is overhauled, the over haul shop enters there info into the
(engine) log and signs it off. Since they have to sign the log book,
better just to send the engine log and not the entire aircraft log. If
they should happen to loose the engine log, it hurts the engine value, if
they should loose the aircraft log, the aircraft would suffer a big market
value hit. Sport will follow along the same path as used by GA, two log
books.
jerb
At 10:49 AM 6/13/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
>
>I don't have a seperate log for airframe and engine, combined mine. I am sure
>that it is corect to have both, but they did not require this when I had my
>plane signed off, I had both the engine and airrame listed in the same
>logbook
>ans that wad ok to them. Who knows if it will be a problem in the future. I
>have found that the FAA requires different things from different people. One
>inspector requires one thing and another something else.
>Tim
>Do NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
In a message dated 6/13/03 11:14:31 AM, mcelhoe@cvip.net writes:
> Tim,
>
> See FAR 23.1191
>
> Bruce McElhoe
> FF #88
>
>
Awsom, thanks for the reply. The stainless steel is what I will use.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 6/13/03 3:00:57 AM Central Standard Time,
skyrider2@earthlink.net writes:
<< I would just like to publically thank Bill Teuton (sp?) for taking time out
of his busy schedule this past Sunday to give my wife and I the
"nickle" tour of his beautiful Kolb airplane and for showing us around his
home airfield. You are a most gratious host.
>>
Snip
l Second That. Bill is a swell guy,
Ed Diebel
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@airmail.net>
You should use something that with stands the heat. Aluminum will not do
it in a engine fire situation. They normally use either galvanized or
stainless steel for that purpose.
jerb
At 10:49 AM 6/13/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
>
>Does anybody know if an aluminum firewall is OK in an experimental??? Lots of
>knowledge on this list, this is for my other plane project, the firewall that
>came with the kit is a piece of galvanized metal, ugly and heavy. It has been
>suggested to use stainless steel as an alternative, is aluminum acceptable.
>Aluminum is easier for me to get and to work with.
>
>I can't seem to get a confirmed answer on what is required.
>
>Thanks
>
>Tim
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
A number of years ago the Russkis wanted to sell a small biz jet in the
US. Had alum "firewall." No sale till a stainless was put in.
Bob N. really old mech
do not archive
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| Subject: | Pensacola Fl. ultralight deaths |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hello Gang,
I have some bad news to share. Just read in the Mobile Register that two
fellows from Pensacola, Fl. crashed on the edge of a peanut field and killed
both occupants. Here is a link to the story http://www.al
com/news/mobileregister/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard
xsl?/base/news/1055495978299600.xml There was also another story in the
paper that stated they banked and then went into a steep decent and were 30
feet from the edge of a peanut field. The paper also had a picture of the
main fuselage of the plane in top of a pine tree. It sounds as though they
had plenty of altitude and were circling to land in the peanut field then
possibly stalled the plane at the edge of the field. Just found the other
report, it's at http://www.al.com/news/mobileregister/index.ssf?/xml/story
ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news/1055495984299600.xml
Fly Safely,
John Cooley
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
For those who only know him for his "flowery phraseology" on the List, let
it be known that "Bill Tuton" is none other than our one and only "Beauford
Tuton." Come up & take your bow, old son. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thanks!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 6/13/03 3:00:57 AM Central Standard Time,
> skyrider2@earthlink.net writes:
>
> << I would just like to publically thank Bill Teuton (sp?) for taking time
out
> of his busy schedule this past Sunday to give my wife and I the
> "nickle" tour of his beautiful Kolb airplane and for showing us around
his
> home airfield. You are a most gratious host.
> >>
> Snip
>
> l Second That. Bill is a swell guy,
>
> Ed Diebel
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford Tuton" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
You are most welcome, Doug...
You and your lovely Bride need to get started on that Kolb... and FYI,
Kolbers, this guy and Bonnie are currently building a slick monowheel Europa
with both the sailplane carbon graphite "long" wings and the shorter 200 mph
set, at Flightcrafters, Inc., here in Brandon....He gave me a tour of that
slick operation. Doug indicated that a MkIII Extra is the next project
for the Lawtons...He's in the ultralight business on his own airport up
near Chatanooga...
Beauford, The Aluminum Butcher of Brandon
FF 076
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Thanks!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Doug Lawton" <skyrider2@earthlink.net>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I would just like to publically thank Bill Teuton (sp?) for taking time
out
> of his busy schedule this past Sunday to give my wife and I the
> "nickle" tour of his beautiful Kolb airplane and for showing us around
his
> home airfield. You are a most gratious host.
>
> It was great meeting you Bill, and I look forward to bringing my little
> plane down to Brandon sometime in the future and committing some aviation
> with you. Looks like a fantastic area to fly and sightsee!
>
> Thanks again and fly safely,
>
> Doug Lawton
> NE Georgia & Whitwell TN
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford Tuton" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
My reputation is at stake here...where have I gone wrong....? Thanks, Ed...
Need some more gin and a cheap cigar to think this over...
Seriously... Airport Manatee, (48X) is a good stop if you are in the Tampa
Bay area... 3K feet of grass...flatter'n my first wife's chest for miles in
all directions... One mile off the Bay....five miles south of Ruskin....
Lots of weird little airplanes live there.... and some weird folks flying
them... good UL country...
Beauford
DO NOT ARCHIVE....
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thanks!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 6/13/03 3:00:57 AM Central Standard Time,
> skyrider2@earthlink.net writes:
>
> << I would just like to publically thank Bill Teuton (sp?) for taking time
out
> of his busy schedule this past Sunday to give my wife and I the
> "nickle" tour of his beautiful Kolb airplane and for showing us around
his
> home airfield. You are a most gratious host.
> >>
> Snip
>
> l Second That. Bill is a swell guy,
>
> Ed Diebel
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
Group,
Im in the process of installing the 447 engine on my firefly. Seems I need
a regulator/rectifier. Not sure. Not much in the archives. Some negative
statements on Key West. There was a positive comment about one from Grand Rapids
Technologies. Im not sure if I really need one. I just want to run a small
single strobe & GPS . May want to put in an adapter for the hand held radio.
Guess Im needing some guidance. Dont see anything in the conctruction manual about
it. I thought every thing would be in the engine kit from Kolb.
Ed Diebel
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| Subject: | Trip from Minnesota to Houston |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
For those of you who might be interested, over Memorial Day weekend I
ferried an ultralight, that a friend had just bought, from Minnesota to
Houston, TX... Here's a link to the story:
http://www.texas-flyer.com/texas-flyer/Minnesota
It's probably trivial compared to what Mr. Hauck is accustomed to, but it
was quite the adventure for me!
-- Robert
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