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1. 12:04 AM - Out of Office AutoReply: Kolb-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 06/19/03 (Souza, Mark W)
2. 05:08 AM - W/B on a Mkiii (Jim Gerken)
3. 06:15 AM - Re: W/B on a MKIII -trim (Richard Pike)
4. 06:35 AM - follow up on "Miss B" W & B (Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious)
5. 08:50 AM - Re: follow up on "Miss B" W & B (Rick & Martha Neilsen)
6. 09:31 AM - Re: PVC Pipe for a Gas Spout? (George Thompson)
7. 03:44 PM - Re:anti rain dance (boyd young)
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| Subject: | Out of Office AutoReply: Kolb-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 06/19/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Souza, Mark W" <mark.w.souza@boeing.com>
I away on business until Thursday 6/26/03. Any issues that can't wait that long
should be addressed to my back-up Terry Wagstaff 266-6666. I will monitor my
e-mail and will address any problems that can be handled by mail or phone call.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
________________________________ Message 12
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>Time: 09:07:49 AM PST US
>From: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III "Miss B" W & B
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious"
<bbrocious@hotmail.com>
>John, according to the weight and balance data using the 66 MAC that Kolb
provides,
>I expected to be near the rear CG. Here's the data I am working with.
>Empty weight 517.5 Moment 17919.34375
>Pilot 195 lbs Arm -3 Moment -585
>Fuel 60 lbs Arm 20.5 Moment 1230
>This puts my CG % at 36.4%
>I am running at 582. My battery is right behind the passenger's seat. I'm
surprised
>that given the various distances to the datum that Kolb publishes for the
>Mark III that most all Mark IIIs aren't tail heavy when flying solo. I'm
obviously
>missing something.
>No offense taken. Any input is appreciated.
>Bob
BOB!
Congrats on the first flight!
Your numbers above for w/b are very close to my initial work also. I don't
have the data in front of me but mine was also very light and at 35% of the
range. Two documents in the kit contradicted each other for the absolute
limit, so a call was placed to Dennis Souder. He confirmed CG OK to 37%.
Don't worry, the plane will only gain weight and most if not all of it will
be in the cabin area aiding the forward movement of the C/G.
Confirm the trim springs are loose and not affecting stick.
Lift gently on the flaps, to determine if the slack in the linkage allows
them to float upward at all above flat with the bottom of the wing, if so
tune that out. Slightly down is OK too. Same with the ailerons, but that
is alittle tougher to do alone, you must lift and evaluate both at once, or
have someone keeping the stick centered, locked. A straight edge across
the entire wing and control surface from leading edge to trailing edge will
show the deflection best. Make them flat, or slightly lower, when lifting
with maybe 20 pounds of force each surface (estimated).
Jim Gerken
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| Subject: | Re: W/B on a MKIII -trim |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Some semi-random thoughts on trim-
What I have done to get the flaps and ailerons all trimmed together is -
while flying, if the trim feel is correct, no tendency to roll, or pitch,
everything feels good, -then
look out at your flaps and aileron trailing edges -
are they lined up? If not, adjust them until they are all in a line while
maintaining correct stick feel and stable trim & handling. You will
probably end up with having one aileron up a bit and the other down a bit,
so adjust the flaps to line up with them.
When you get it right, (and it takes a bit of patience with many short test
flights and fiddling with the 3/8" & 7/16" wrenches) then in normal solo
cruise all your trailing edges will be pretty much in a line. That will
give you minimum drag & best efficiency for your particular configuration.
It doesn't matter whether they are up a bit or down a bit as long as there
is no spring pressure on the elevators and you are at minimum forward
weight configuration and it trims out about stick neutral between 45-65 or
so. When everything is correct, it only takes a little bit of occasional
pressure on the stick to keep it in normal level trimmed flight.
When you add a passenger, then you will need to add up elevator trim with
the spring trim mechanism. If your first flight is with a fairly heavy
passenger, you will be surprised how much up trim you will end up using.
Expect things to be different, don't do it out of a short strip, you will
need time to mentally adjust. (Guess how I know this?)
Leave the flaps alone for the first several hours. Then explore them
cautiously, they change everything and are great, but everything gets
different. When you first try landing with a passenger, especially a heavy
one, try to have a place where flaps are not necessary, then gradually ease
into using them, once again they change everything and your previous
expectations will get you surprised.
You will experience the need for more up elevator trim as you crank in more
flaps, this is normal.
As you adjust power settings, if there is a major trim pressure change on
the stick, then you might want to adjust your engine thrust angle. Ideally,
things stay sorta the same, but not exactly. (or maybe they should be and I
haven't found it yet?)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 07:07 AM 6/20/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Gerken <gerken@us.ibm.com>
>
>
> >From: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III "Miss B" W & B
<snip>
> I'm
>surprised
> >that given the various distances to the datum that Kolb publishes for the
> >Mark III that most all Mark IIIs aren't tail heavy when flying solo. I'm
>obviously
> >missing something.
> >Bob
>
>BOB!
>Congrats on the first flight!
<snip>
>Confirm the trim springs are loose and not affecting stick.
>Lift gently on the flaps, to determine if the slack in the linkage allows
>them to float upward at all above flat with the bottom of the wing, if so
>tune that out. Slightly down is OK too. Same with the ailerons, but that
>is alittle tougher to do alone, you must lift and evaluate both at once, or
>have someone keeping the stick centered, locked. A straight edge across
>the entire wing and control surface from leading edge to trailing edge will
>show the deflection best. Make them flat, or slightly lower, when lifting
>with maybe 20 pounds of force each surface (estimated).
>
>Jim Gerken
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| Subject: | follow up on "Miss B" W & B |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Folks,
Thanks for all the suggestions. I feel confident the my wing incidence is correct.
I think there is an adjustment I need to make to the flaps and ailerons. I
read some previous emails prior to my flight and attempted to adjust them but
I don't think I have them set properly. I will begin there. I will also add some
padding to my seat.
Can most Mark III pilots reach the panel from a strapped in position? I can't.
And boy can my butt tell there's nothing to brag about when it comes to that sling
seat.
Again, thanx for the suggestions. I'll let you know how things go this weekend.
Bob
do not archive
Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious<EM>Tenacity Farm </EM>
Campbellsburg, Kentucky
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| Subject: | follow up on "Miss B" W & B |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Rick & Martha Neilsen <neilsenrm@comcast.net>
If you seat belts are adjusted correctly and you don't have REAL long arms
you can't reach the panel. I keep a short piece of aluminum tubing in the
cockpit one end is slotted to fit over the key for the starter/ignition
switch and the other has rubber tubing over it to grip the altimeter
adjustment knob. When not in use I keep it parked safely on a bracket on the
tube between the windshield and the doors.
I have a 1.5" very high density foam pad that I have added to the bottom of
my sling seats. They have a cut out were my tail bone normally goes. This
helps a bunch with out the pad my tail bone used to be right were the cross
bar goes under the seat. This helps a bunch.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIII
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob, Kathleen,
& Kory Brocious
Subject: Kolb-List: follow up on "Miss B" W & B
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious"
<bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Folks,
Thanks for all the suggestions. I feel confident the my wing incidence is
correct. I think there is an adjustment I need to make to the flaps and
ailerons. I read some previous emails prior to my flight and attempted to
adjust them but I don't think I have them set properly. I will begin there.
I will also add some padding to my seat.
Can most Mark III pilots reach the panel from a strapped in position? I
can't. And boy can my butt tell there's nothing to brag about when it comes
to that sling seat.
Again, thanx for the suggestions. I'll let you know how things go this
weekend.
Bob
do not archive
Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious<EM>Tenacity Farm </EM>
Campbellsburg, Kentucky
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| Subject: | Re: PVC Pipe for a Gas Spout? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
I am using a piece of PVC theaded 90 degree screwed into the top of the
stock Kolb gas tank. It has been in there for years and I see no problem
with it.
----- Original Message -----
From: <BKlebon@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: PVC Pipe for a Gas Spout?
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: BKlebon@aol.com
>
> Although I no longer use it, for about 3 years I used a piece of PVC pipe
as
> an extension to the spout of a 5 gal. fuel can and had no problems with
fuel
> contamination.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:anti rain dance |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
last time i did a anti rain dance ,,,, it snowed.
do not archive
boyd
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