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1. 12:06 PM - [ Bob Brocious ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
2. 12:10 PM - Re: [ Bob Brocious ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Larry Bourne)
3. 03:14 PM - Re: [ Bob Brocious ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Bob Bean)
4. 03:27 PM - ultrastar (ronnie wehba)
5. 05:31 PM - Re: ultrastar (herbgh@juno.com)
6. 06:00 PM - Re: ultrastar (ronnie wehba)
7. 06:17 PM - Re: ultrastar (herbgh@juno.com)
8. 06:52 PM - Re: ultrastar (ronnie wehba)
9. 07:41 PM - FireFly Finished (Don Gherardini)
10. 07:57 PM - Re: FireFly Finished (ronnie wehba)
11. 08:26 PM - Re: ultrastar (possums)
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| Subject: | [ Bob Brocious ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Bob Brocious <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Subject: Miss B - Kolb Mark III
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| Subject: | Re: [ Bob Brocious ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Lookin' good, Bob. Congratulations. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
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| Subject: | Re: [ Bob Brocious ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
From the other BB on the list, lookin great! -and a fine pal to share
it with
makes it even better. -BB, MkIII, anxious to get off the grass too.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
anyone know who owns the rights to the ultrastar,, just wondering?
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Ronnie
I asked that some question a year or so back. Dennis Souder answered
in so many words that he did not own the rights !! I do not think that
TNK owns the rights either. Only Homer knows; I would guess??
I have an ultra Star in the garage and think that it will be a good
flyer when I get around to hooking up the instruments and making an
enclosure for it. The reason that I bought mine was that some on the
list say that it is a better flyer than one or two of the current
designs. The decision for me was--do I spend 10k or more for a
Firefly/Firestar or do I fly this Ultrastar for 1.5k? :-)
If I were building a look alike--I would not copy the fuselage at
all!! I would build it to a more standard shape that would accomodate an
instrument panel and a center stick like the firefly. I might even try
to make it a tri gear and eliminate the tail dragger components .
The wings are probably the same as is on the 5 rib firestars of the
late 80's or early 90's?? I would build them to the 7 rib standard .
All in all --this design needs to be updated. I suspect that it could
be copied it in a general way without infringing on anybodys rights.
Herb
> anyone know who owns the rights to the ultrastar,, just wondering?
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
thanks for the reply, mine is a bone stock 84-85 I think,It flys great,
reason i asked is, several around here thinks it is the cats A%%, and in the
past I did 27 airbike frame kits for team, then the florida thing happened.
building a jig is a nobrainer for me, I got a sixth sense for reading
prints, and doing a layout, or a jig-up. the side stick is really easy to
use,I got 11 hours in a Q1. nice ride hell to land.130 on 18 h.p. wow.I am
gonna change my inst. pod big time as it shakes around a lot.bought it as it
is in the pic"attatched". cheap,did nothing to it as it was ready to go, I
got a DEAL. later ron.in HOT west texas. oh also got a team max with a a084
engine. it's a 4 cyl,4 stroke 84 inch generator engine.
http://photos.yahoo.com/rwehba
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From: <herbgh@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
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> Ronnie
>
> I asked that some question a year or so back. Dennis Souder answered
> in so many words that he did not own the rights !! I do not think that
> TNK owns the rights either. Only Homer knows; I would guess??
>
> I have an ultra Star in the garage and think that it will be a good
> flyer when I get around to hooking up the instruments and making an
> enclosure for it. The reason that I bought mine was that some on the
> list say that it is a better flyer than one or two of the current
> designs. The decision for me was--do I spend 10k or more for a
> Firefly/Firestar or do I fly this Ultrastar for 1.5k? :-)
>
> If I were building a look alike--I would not copy the fuselage at
> all!! I would build it to a more standard shape that would accomodate an
> instrument panel and a center stick like the firefly. I might even try
> to make it a tri gear and eliminate the tail dragger components .
> The wings are probably the same as is on the 5 rib firestars of the
> late 80's or early 90's?? I would build them to the 7 rib standard .
> All in all --this design needs to be updated. I suspect that it could
> be copied it in a general way without infringing on anybodys rights.
> Herb
> > anyone know who owns the rights to the ultrastar,, just wondering?
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Ronnie
The Ultra Star is well thought of by several on the list.. I am
looking for a Firestar at present or a Mk III rebuilder. I have a tri
gear Dragonfly with a C90 engine to trade.
$20 bucks a foot for the 5 inch 6061 tubing is hard to swallow!! I
bought a scratch and dent tail boom for the ultra star for 10 bucks a
foot from TNK. I noticed the other day that their supply of same was
missing from the rear of their factory building. May have been to
valuable to leave outside?? :-)
I flew my Zmax 200 miles yesterday to the BUG flyin at Bardstown Ky.
Flew 90mph ground speed coming home. 18 mile an hour tail wind. Used
under 5 gals coming home and used about 8.5 going up!!
Herb
do not archive
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BAYES_30, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
you got a team plane also,,,wow small world
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From: <herbgh@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
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> Ronnie
>
> The Ultra Star is well thought of by several on the list.. I am
> looking for a Firestar at present or a Mk III rebuilder. I have a tri
> gear Dragonfly with a C90 engine to trade.
>
> $20 bucks a foot for the 5 inch 6061 tubing is hard to swallow!! I
> bought a scratch and dent tail boom for the ultra star for 10 bucks a
> foot from TNK. I noticed the other day that their supply of same was
> missing from the rear of their factory building. May have been to
> valuable to leave outside?? :-)
>
> I flew my Zmax 200 miles yesterday to the BUG flyin at Bardstown Ky.
> Flew 90mph ground speed coming home. 18 mile an hour tail wind. Used
> under 5 gals coming home and used about 8.5 going up!!
>
> Herb
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> do not archive
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| Subject: | FireFly Finished |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Well Kolbers...thanks to all of you..and my wifes patience...this little
bird is done today..other than a dab a safety wire left to do here and
there, and a couple of instruments that should be here next week.
I pushed her outside in the sun for the first time today...just 1 week short
of 9 months since I brought it home from Atlanta...by way of New London and
the Kolb Fly-in. If all Goes well.and the weather holds..maiden flight
should be july 4th weekend...and considering the paint-job...this sure seems
appropriate!
Updated pics on page 11 just taken today....check her out and tell me what
you guys think!
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
looks fantastic! great job.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Finished
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Well Kolbers...thanks to all of you..and my wifes patience...this little
> bird is done today..other than a dab a safety wire left to do here and
> there, and a couple of instruments that should be here next week.
> I pushed her outside in the sun for the first time today...just 1 week
short
> of 9 months since I brought it home from Atlanta...by way of New London
and
> the Kolb Fly-in. If all Goes well.and the weather holds..maiden flight
> should be july 4th weekend...and considering the paint-job...this sure
seems
> appropriate!
>
> Updated pics on page 11 just taken today....check her out and tell me what
> you guys think!
>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> Don Gherardini-
> FireFly 098
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
> anyone know who owns the rights to the ultrastar,, just wondering?
Homer had the idea, Homer deserves the credit.
Maybe somebody designed the 5" - now 6" wingspar with the ribs locked into
place
and a tube and cage fuselage before Homer - if they did, I don't know who??
I think the "wing" is the thing - almost entirely. The 5 rib Firestars of the
late 80's(or really mid 80's) or the 7 rib standard or 8 rib Slingshot ribs.
The fact is, of course, we pay shamefully scant attention to the most basic
design changes - put in the "crudest terms - these changes were slightly more
important to us than "wheel pants" or "strut covers".
I mention this here, both to acknowledge my debt to Homer and to forestall
the letters that point out the sudden flash of inspiration was not my own.
You take my point , of course.
http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/
At 07:29 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, you wrote:
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>Ronnie
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