---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/22/03: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:06 PM - [ Bob Brocious ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 2. 12:10 PM - Re: [ Bob Brocious ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Larry Bourne) 3. 03:14 PM - Re: [ Bob Brocious ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Bob Bean) 4. 03:27 PM - ultrastar (ronnie wehba) 5. 05:31 PM - Re: ultrastar (herbgh@juno.com) 6. 06:00 PM - Re: ultrastar (ronnie wehba) 7. 06:17 PM - Re: ultrastar (herbgh@juno.com) 8. 06:52 PM - Re: ultrastar (ronnie wehba) 9. 07:41 PM - FireFly Finished (Don Gherardini) 10. 07:57 PM - Re: FireFly Finished (ronnie wehba) 11. 08:26 PM - Re: ultrastar (possums) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:03 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Bob Brocious ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Bob Brocious Subject: Miss B - Kolb Mark III http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/bbrocious@hotmail.com.06.22.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:52 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Bob Brocious ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Lookin' good, Bob. Congratulations. Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Email List Photo Shares" Subject: Kolb-List: [ Bob Brocious ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares > > > A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > Poster: Bob Brocious > > > Subject: Miss B - Kolb Mark III > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/bbrocious@hotmail.com.06.22.2003/index.h tml > > > o Main Photo Share Index > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > o Submitting a Photo Share > > If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the > following information along with your email message and files: > > 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: > 2) Your Full Name: > 3) Your Email Address: > 4) One line Subject description: > 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: > 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: > > Email the information above and your files and photos to: > > pictures@matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:25 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Bob Brocious ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean From the other BB on the list, lookin great! -and a fine pal to share it with makes it even better. -BB, MkIII, anxious to get off the grass too. Email List Photo Shares wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares > > >A new Email List Photo Share is available: > > Poster: Bob Brocious > > > Subject: Miss B - Kolb Mark III > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/bbrocious@hotmail.com.06.22.2003/index.html > > > o Main Photo Share Index > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > > o Submitting a Photo Share > > If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the > following information along with your email message and files: > > 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: > 2) Your Full Name: > 3) Your Email Address: > 4) One line Subject description: > 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: > 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: > > Email the information above and your files and photos to: > > pictures@matronics.com > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:41 PM PST US From: "ronnie wehba" Subject: Kolb-List: ultrastar DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12, HTML_60_70, HTML_FONT_BIG) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" anyone know who owns the rights to the ultrastar,, just wondering? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar From: herbgh@juno.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com Ronnie I asked that some question a year or so back. Dennis Souder answered in so many words that he did not own the rights !! I do not think that TNK owns the rights either. Only Homer knows; I would guess?? I have an ultra Star in the garage and think that it will be a good flyer when I get around to hooking up the instruments and making an enclosure for it. The reason that I bought mine was that some on the list say that it is a better flyer than one or two of the current designs. The decision for me was--do I spend 10k or more for a Firefly/Firestar or do I fly this Ultrastar for 1.5k? :-) If I were building a look alike--I would not copy the fuselage at all!! I would build it to a more standard shape that would accomodate an instrument panel and a center stick like the firefly. I might even try to make it a tri gear and eliminate the tail dragger components . The wings are probably the same as is on the 5 rib firestars of the late 80's or early 90's?? I would build them to the 7 rib standard . All in all --this design needs to be updated. I suspect that it could be copied it in a general way without infringing on anybodys rights. Herb > anyone know who owns the rights to the ultrastar,, just wondering? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:29 PM PST US From: "ronnie wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar SpamAssassin (Message larger than max testing size) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" thanks for the reply, mine is a bone stock 84-85 I think,It flys great, reason i asked is, several around here thinks it is the cats A%%, and in the past I did 27 airbike frame kits for team, then the florida thing happened. building a jig is a nobrainer for me, I got a sixth sense for reading prints, and doing a layout, or a jig-up. the side stick is really easy to use,I got 11 hours in a Q1. nice ride hell to land.130 on 18 h.p. wow.I am gonna change my inst. pod big time as it shakes around a lot.bought it as it is in the pic"attatched". cheap,did nothing to it as it was ready to go, I got a DEAL. later ron.in HOT west texas. oh also got a team max with a a084 engine. it's a 4 cyl,4 stroke 84 inch generator engine. http://photos.yahoo.com/rwehba ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar > --> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com > > Ronnie > > I asked that some question a year or so back. Dennis Souder answered > in so many words that he did not own the rights !! I do not think that > TNK owns the rights either. Only Homer knows; I would guess?? > > I have an ultra Star in the garage and think that it will be a good > flyer when I get around to hooking up the instruments and making an > enclosure for it. The reason that I bought mine was that some on the > list say that it is a better flyer than one or two of the current > designs. The decision for me was--do I spend 10k or more for a > Firefly/Firestar or do I fly this Ultrastar for 1.5k? :-) > > If I were building a look alike--I would not copy the fuselage at > all!! I would build it to a more standard shape that would accomodate an > instrument panel and a center stick like the firefly. I might even try > to make it a tri gear and eliminate the tail dragger components . > The wings are probably the same as is on the 5 rib firestars of the > late 80's or early 90's?? I would build them to the 7 rib standard . > All in all --this design needs to be updated. I suspect that it could > be copied it in a general way without infringing on anybodys rights. > Herb > > anyone know who owns the rights to the ultrastar,, just wondering? > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar From: herbgh@juno.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com Ronnie The Ultra Star is well thought of by several on the list.. I am looking for a Firestar at present or a Mk III rebuilder. I have a tri gear Dragonfly with a C90 engine to trade. $20 bucks a foot for the 5 inch 6061 tubing is hard to swallow!! I bought a scratch and dent tail boom for the ultra star for 10 bucks a foot from TNK. I noticed the other day that their supply of same was missing from the rear of their factory building. May have been to valuable to leave outside?? :-) I flew my Zmax 200 miles yesterday to the BUG flyin at Bardstown Ky. Flew 90mph ground speed coming home. 18 mile an hour tail wind. Used under 5 gals coming home and used about 8.5 going up!! Herb do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:52 PM PST US From: "ronnie wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar BAYES_30, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" you got a team plane also,,,wow small world ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar > --> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com > > Ronnie > > The Ultra Star is well thought of by several on the list.. I am > looking for a Firestar at present or a Mk III rebuilder. I have a tri > gear Dragonfly with a C90 engine to trade. > > $20 bucks a foot for the 5 inch 6061 tubing is hard to swallow!! I > bought a scratch and dent tail boom for the ultra star for 10 bucks a > foot from TNK. I noticed the other day that their supply of same was > missing from the rear of their factory building. May have been to > valuable to leave outside?? :-) > > I flew my Zmax 200 miles yesterday to the BUG flyin at Bardstown Ky. > Flew 90mph ground speed coming home. 18 mile an hour tail wind. Used > under 5 gals coming home and used about 8.5 going up!! > > Herb > > > do not archive > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:29 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Finished --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Well Kolbers...thanks to all of you..and my wifes patience...this little bird is done today..other than a dab a safety wire left to do here and there, and a couple of instruments that should be here next week. I pushed her outside in the sun for the first time today...just 1 week short of 9 months since I brought it home from Atlanta...by way of New London and the Kolb Fly-in. If all Goes well.and the weather holds..maiden flight should be july 4th weekend...and considering the paint-job...this sure seems appropriate! Updated pics on page 11 just taken today....check her out and tell me what you guys think! http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Don Gherardini- FireFly 098 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:16 PM PST US From: "ronnie wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly Finished BAYES_20, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" looks fantastic! great job. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Finished > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > > Well Kolbers...thanks to all of you..and my wifes patience...this little > bird is done today..other than a dab a safety wire left to do here and > there, and a couple of instruments that should be here next week. > I pushed her outside in the sun for the first time today...just 1 week short > of 9 months since I brought it home from Atlanta...by way of New London and > the Kolb Fly-in. If all Goes well.and the weather holds..maiden flight > should be july 4th weekend...and considering the paint-job...this sure seems > appropriate! > > Updated pics on page 11 just taken today....check her out and tell me what > you guys think! > > > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm > Don Gherardini- > FireFly 098 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:59 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums > anyone know who owns the rights to the ultrastar,, just wondering? Homer had the idea, Homer deserves the credit. Maybe somebody designed the 5" - now 6" wingspar with the ribs locked into place and a tube and cage fuselage before Homer - if they did, I don't know who?? I think the "wing" is the thing - almost entirely. The 5 rib Firestars of the late 80's(or really mid 80's) or the 7 rib standard or 8 rib Slingshot ribs. The fact is, of course, we pay shamefully scant attention to the most basic design changes - put in the "crudest terms - these changes were slightly more important to us than "wheel pants" or "strut covers". I mention this here, both to acknowledge my debt to Homer and to forestall the letters that point out the sudden flash of inspiration was not my own. You take my point , of course. http://www.mindspring.com/~possums/ At 07:29 PM 6/22/2003 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com > >Ronnie