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1. 12:01 AM - Re: FireFly Finished (Larry Bourne)
2. 06:22 AM - "Miss B" test flights update (Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious)
3. 06:50 AM - Re: "Miss B" test flights update (Richard Pike)
4. 07:04 AM - Re: "Miss B" test flights update (Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious)
5. 07:18 AM - firestar first flight (Pat Lavigne)
6. 07:34 AM - Re: firestar first flight (Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious)
7. 09:29 AM - Re: "Miss B" test flights update (George Thompson)
8. 11:35 AM - Re: "Miss B" test flights update (Richard Pike)
9. 01:36 PM - Re: FireFly Finished (Jim Ballenger)
10. 06:03 PM - Re: MV Flight Photos and Captions (George Thompson)
11. 06:56 PM - bummed out (Bob Bean)
12. 07:05 PM - Re: MV Flight Photos and Captions (Richard Pike)
13. 07:11 PM - Re: MV Flight Photos and Captions (Robert Laird)
14. 07:17 PM - Re: bummed out (Richard Pike)
15. 07:27 PM - spoiled rotten (woody)
16. 07:42 PM - Re: spoiled rotten (ronnie wehba)
17. 08:24 PM - Re: ultrastar (ronnie wehba)
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Finished |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Beautiful job, Don. That paint job has me in awe. Hope you never see ol'
plain jane Vamoose. Envious Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Finished
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Well Kolbers...thanks to all of you..and my wifes patience...this little
> bird is done today..other than a dab a safety wire left to do here and
> there, and a couple of instruments that should be here next week.
> I pushed her outside in the sun for the first time today...just 1 week
short
> of 9 months since I brought it home from Atlanta...by way of New London
and
> the Kolb Fly-in. If all Goes well.and the weather holds..maiden flight
> should be july 4th weekend...and considering the paint-job...this sure
seems
> appropriate!
>
> Updated pics on page 11 just taken today....check her out and tell me what
> you guys think!
>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> Don Gherardini-
> FireFly 098
>
>
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| Subject: | "Miss B" test flights update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Folks,
Thought I'd drop you a note and let you know how test flying is going as I continue
to try and trim this plane out and my novice experiences flying a Kolb.
I flew 4 times yesterday including some "touch and go's". Now that I'm over the
initial shock of flying it for the first time I am reminded of flying a Cub or
a Schweitzer 2-22 two place sailplane. It is NOT light on the ailerons. Like
the sailplane it likes rudder which is fine. I feel most comfortable using two
hands when making turns. I did droop the ailerons a bit more but I have to build
new push rods to droop the flaps as I have no more adjustment left. That's
easy to do. Still very light on the nose. Let go of the stick and she heads
for the clouds.
If I end up making an adjustment to the horizontal tail feathers is there an easier
way to raise it than drilling out the rivets and drilling new holes? That
doesn't sound like a good idea, putting more holes in the boom tube.
Checking my airspeed indicator with GPS it is showing about 15 knots too much.
Not sure how to calibrate it yet.
That's all the news worth printing from Kentucky! ... Bob
Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious<EM>Tenacity Farm </EM>
Campbellsburg, Kentucky
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| Subject: | Re: "Miss B" test flights update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
At 09:22 AM 6/23/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious"
><bbrocious@hotmail.com>
>
>
>Folks,
>Thought I'd drop you a note and let you know how test flying is going as I
>continue to try and trim this plane out and my novice experiences flying a
>Kolb.
>
>I flew 4 times yesterday including some "touch and go's". Now that I'm
>over the initial shock of flying it for the first time I am reminded of
>flying a Cub or a Schweitzer 2-22 two place sailplane. It is NOT light on
>the ailerons.
If you want the ailerons lighter, drill new holes in the aileron bellcrank
at the back of the cage and move the pushrod points inboard. If you need to
build new pushrods anyway, now is the time...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: "Miss B" test flights update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Richard, how far do you think I would have to move them to see some improvement?
Bob
do not archive
From: Richard Pike <RWPIKE@CHARTER.NET>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Miss B" test flights update
-- Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <RWPIKE@CHARTER.NET>
At 09:22 AM 6/23/03 -0400, you wrote:
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, Kory Brocious"
<BBROCIOUS@HOTMAIL.COM>
Folks,
Thought I'd drop you a note and let you know how test flying is going as I
continue to try and trim this plane out and my novice experiences flying a
Kolb.
I flew 4 times yesterday including some "touch and go's". Now that I'm
over the initial shock of flying it for the first time I am reminded of
flying a Cub or a Schweitzer 2-22 two place sailplane. It is NOT light on
the ailerons.
If you want the ailerons lighter, drill new holes in the aileron bellcrank
at the back of the cage and move the pushrod points inboard. If you need to
build new pushrods anyway, now is the time...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | firestar first flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Pat Lavigne" <pjl53@hotmail.com>
Hi Kolbers,
My name is Pat LaVigne. I bought a firestar from a guy who built it, but
never flew in his life.
Scared the hell out of himself and bought a C-150.
I've been lurking on the Kolb site for awhile and finally have something to
say. I went to the Kolb factory in London Ky. for transitional training.
I'm a GA pilot. Some of the nicest people I've ever met.
All went well, I cought on real quick. Had to wait for an opportunity (no
wind), to fly my own plane.
What a kick in the pants, now I REALLY see what you guy's are talking about.
Regards,
Pat
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: firestar first flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Pat, congratulations on your first flight! Ain't it a hoot?!
Bob
do not archive
Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious<EM>Tenacity Farm </EM>
Campbellsburg, Kentucky
From: "Pat Lavigne" <PJL53@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Kolb-List: firestar first flight
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Pat Lavigne" <PJL53@HOTMAIL.COM>
Hi Kolbers,
My name is Pat LaVigne. I bought a firestar from a guy who built it, but
never flew in his life.
Scared the hell out of himself and bought a C-150.
I've been lurking on the Kolb site for awhile and finally have something to
say. I went to the Kolb factory in London Ky. for transitional training.
I'm a GA pilot. Some of the nicest people I've ever met.
All went well, I cought on real quick. Had to wait for an opportunity (no
wind), to fly my own plane.
What a kick in the pants, now I REALLY see what you guy's are talking about.
Regards,
Pat
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: "Miss B" test flights update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
If anyone cares, I moved mine in as far as they would go without interfering
with the main tube. Still have plenty of aileron authority.
George
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Miss B" test flights update
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious"
<bbrocious@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Richard, how far do you think I would have to move them to see some
improvement?
>
>
> Bob
>
> do not archive
>
>
> From: Richard Pike <RWPIKE@CHARTER.NET>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Miss B" test flights update
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:47:52 -0400
>
> -- Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <RWPIKE@CHARTER.NET>
>
> At 09:22 AM 6/23/03 -0400, you wrote:
>
> -- Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, Kory Brocious"
> <BBROCIOUS@HOTMAIL.COM>
>
>
> Folks,
> Thought I'd drop you a note and let you know how test flying is going as
I
> continue to try and trim this plane out and my novice experiences flying
a
> Kolb.
>
> I flew 4 times yesterday including some "touch and go's". Now that I'm
> over the initial shock of flying it for the first time I am reminded of
> flying a Cub or a Schweitzer 2-22 two place sailplane. It is NOT light on
> the ailerons.
>
>
> If you want the ailerons lighter, drill new holes in the aileron bellcrank
> at the back of the cage and move the pushrod points inboard. If you need
to
> build new pushrods anyway, now is the time...
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "Miss B" test flights update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I went in 1 & 3/8" on each side, which gives me a distance of 4 & 9/16"
between the two holes. Aileron effort is reduced by at least 50%.
Here's a picture - http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg7.htm
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:04 AM 6/23/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious"
><bbrocious@hotmail.com>
>
>
>Richard, how far do you think I would have to move them to see some
>improvement?
>
>
>Bob
>
>do not archive
>
>
>From: Richard Pike <RWPIKE@CHARTER.NET>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: "Miss B" test flights update
>Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:47:52 -0400
>
>-- Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <RWPIKE@CHARTER.NET>
>
>At 09:22 AM 6/23/03 -0400, you wrote:
>
> -- Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, Kory Brocious"
> <BBROCIOUS@HOTMAIL.COM>
>
>
> Folks,
> Thought I'd drop you a note and let you know how test flying is going as I
> continue to try and trim this plane out and my novice experiences flying a
> Kolb.
>
> I flew 4 times yesterday including some "touch and go's". Now that I'm
> over the initial shock of flying it for the first time I am reminded of
> flying a Cub or a Schweitzer 2-22 two place sailplane. It is NOT light on
> the ailerons.
>
>
>If you want the ailerons lighter, drill new holes in the aileron bellcrank
>at the back of the cage and move the pushrod points inboard. If you need to
>build new pushrods anyway, now is the time...
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Finished |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Don
A beautiful paint job.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Finished
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Well Kolbers...thanks to all of you..and my wifes patience...this little
> bird is done today..other than a dab a safety wire left to do here and
> there, and a couple of instruments that should be here next week.
> I pushed her outside in the sun for the first time today...just 1 week
short
> of 9 months since I brought it home from Atlanta...by way of New London
and
> the Kolb Fly-in. If all Goes well.and the weather holds..maiden flight
> should be july 4th weekend...and considering the paint-job...this sure
seems
> appropriate!
>
> Updated pics on page 11 just taken today....check her out and tell me what
> you guys think!
>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> Don Gherardini-
> FireFly 098
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MV Flight Photos and Captions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
Fellow Kolbers, I have just listed my prime, Cherry, pristine, emasculate,
Firestar on E bay today. I am giving it away, for the asking price is but a
small percentage of the kit price, less engine, paint, instruments etc , you
know how all these things add up. I have decided to ground myself because of
age. There comes a time when one must say to themselves, Am I as good a
pilot as i was when I first started this 50 plus years ago? Feel free to
ask our great friend "Big Lar" as to the workmanship of these planes. I was
privileged to give him a ride in my two Place Firestar this spring. .He
seemed to enjoy it and I am sure if you purchase this plane you will have
many happy hours of carefree flying enjoying the freedom of cruising all
around your favorite part of the country.
Sorry about the big E Bay number, but here it is.
Item # 2420836438
Someone is going to be a very lucky person..
George Thompson. The Bald Eagle Of Arizona
----- Original Message -----
Please ask questions off line.
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV Flight Photos and Captions
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Lookin' awful good, John. You made a heck of a trip out of it.
> Lar. Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> To: "Kolb List" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: MV Flight Photos and Captions
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> >
> > Hi:
> >
> > Captions are complete. Download and print. Then
> > you can use the captions to view the pics which
> > are numbered from 01 to 83.
> >
> >
>
http://home.sw.rr.com/jhauck/Monument%20Valley%202003/MV%20Photo%20Captions/
> >
> > Next, open the pic file and hope you enjoy my
> > flight as much as I did:
> >
> >
>
http://home.sw.rr.com/jhauck/Monument%20Valley%202003/Monument%20Valley%20Fl
> t%20Photos/
> >
> > john h
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Good evening Kolbers, just a little disappointed that's all, reserved a
rentacar,
motel room, put up the dog---was going to get a ride with Brian @ TNK
for a little familiarization on Wednesday. Got back and the answering
machine
featured Brian telling me the electric was out on the Xtra. hmmmm, don't
know what to think about that. Guess I'll go visit a buddy in Tennessee.
Richard Pike, will you be around this week, drop me a note, I leave in the
morning. -BB do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: MV Flight Photos and Captions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
At 06:08 PM 6/23/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
>
>Fellow Kolbers, I have just listed my prime, Cherry, pristine, emasculate,
>Firestar on E bay today.
<Snip>
I have noticed that ships, airplanes, etc were referred to in the feminine.
Now I now why. They had become emasculate....
I had a dog like that once.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: MV Flight Photos and Captions |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird <rlaird@cavediver.com>
I'd say you have immaculate perception. ;-)
-- Robert
do not archive
At 09:00 PM 6/23/2003, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
>At 06:08 PM 6/23/03 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
> >
> >Fellow Kolbers, I have just listed my prime, Cherry, pristine, emasculate,
> >Firestar on E bay today.
>
><Snip>
>
>I have noticed that ships, airplanes, etc were referred to in the feminine.
>Now I now why. They had become emasculate....
>I had a dog like that once.
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Yes I will be around all week, except Wednesday evening.
423-323-9441
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:02 PM 6/23/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
>Good evening Kolbers, just a little disappointed that's all, reserved a
>rentacar,
>motel room, put up the dog---was going to get a ride with Brian @ TNK
>for a little familiarization on Wednesday. Got back and the answering
>machine
>featured Brian telling me the electric was out on the Xtra. hmmmm, don't
>know what to think about that. Guess I'll go visit a buddy in Tennessee.
>Richard Pike, will you be around this week, drop me a note, I leave in the
>morning. -BB do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
At
>What a kick in the pants, now I REALLY see what you guy's are talking about.
>
>Regards,
>Pat
A friend just gave me a ride in his Zenith 601. What a good looking
plane and nice lycoming up front. We went for about an hours cruise around
the county. Beautiful control response. Other than that I feel pretty much
spoiled by flying Kolbs. In the 601 the engine cowl is on the horizon so
there is no forward visibility. Down below your shoulder is a wing so there
is no downward visibility, so there you are with a 1/4 hemisphere of
visibility to the side of the nose down to the wing. Tried to find friends
strips but couldn't untill I circled the area a couple times to make use of
the small window of opportunity to see where I was. I suppose if you are
used to that kind of plane it would be different but going from an original
Twinstar then to a modified Mk111 I am kind of spoiled in the amount of
visibility I need for an enjoyable flight.
Enjoy your Firestar Pat. Most pilots want an ultralight, they just don't
know it or will not admit to it.
P.S. The Zenith is gone and my friend is in the market for a firefly.
He has received several leads from the list and perhaps soon he will be one
of us again.
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| Subject: | Re: spoiled rotten |
BAYES_30, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,
REFERENCES)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
look on ebay,, item#2420836438
----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: spoiled rotten
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> At
>
> >What a kick in the pants, now I REALLY see what you guy's are talking
about.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Pat
>
>
> A friend just gave me a ride in his Zenith 601. What a good looking
> plane and nice lycoming up front. We went for about an hours cruise around
> the county. Beautiful control response. Other than that I feel pretty much
> spoiled by flying Kolbs. In the 601 the engine cowl is on the horizon so
> there is no forward visibility. Down below your shoulder is a wing so
there
> is no downward visibility, so there you are with a 1/4 hemisphere of
> visibility to the side of the nose down to the wing. Tried to find friends
> strips but couldn't untill I circled the area a couple times to make use
of
> the small window of opportunity to see where I was. I suppose if you are
> used to that kind of plane it would be different but going from an
original
> Twinstar then to a modified Mk111 I am kind of spoiled in the amount of
> visibility I need for an enjoyable flight.
> Enjoy your Firestar Pat. Most pilots want an ultralight, they just
don't
> know it or will not admit to it.
>
> P.S. The Zenith is gone and my friend is in the market for a firefly.
> He has received several leads from the list and perhaps soon he will be
one
> of us again.
>
>
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BAYES_30, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
would you sell your US as a few around here sure like mine!
----- Original Message -----
From: <herbgh@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultrastar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
>
> Ronnie
>
> I asked that some question a year or so back. Dennis Souder answered
> in so many words that he did not own the rights !! I do not think that
> TNK owns the rights either. Only Homer knows; I would guess??
>
> I have an ultra Star in the garage and think that it will be a good
> flyer when I get around to hooking up the instruments and making an
> enclosure for it. The reason that I bought mine was that some on the
> list say that it is a better flyer than one or two of the current
> designs. The decision for me was--do I spend 10k or more for a
> Firefly/Firestar or do I fly this Ultrastar for 1.5k? :-)
>
> If I were building a look alike--I would not copy the fuselage at
> all!! I would build it to a more standard shape that would accomodate an
> instrument panel and a center stick like the firefly. I might even try
> to make it a tri gear and eliminate the tail dragger components .
> The wings are probably the same as is on the 5 rib firestars of the
> late 80's or early 90's?? I would build them to the 7 rib standard .
> All in all --this design needs to be updated. I suspect that it could
> be copied it in a general way without infringing on anybodys rights.
> Herb
> > anyone know who owns the rights to the ultrastar,, just wondering?
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