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1. 06:19 AM - FireFly Fuselage Fairing (Jack & Louise Hart)
2. 06:40 AM - Re: FireFly Fuselage Fairing (Richard Pike)
3. 08:51 AM - Raising horizontal stab on Mark III (Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious)
4. 09:43 AM - Re: FireFly Fuselage Fairing (John Hauck)
5. 09:57 AM - Re: Raising horizontal stab on Mark III (Richard Pike)
6. 05:03 PM - Re: Raising horizontal stab on Mark III (ZepRep251@aol.com)
7. 05:05 PM - Re: Firestar Serial Number (ZepRep251@aol.com)
8. 05:42 PM - Re: FireFly Finished (Beauford Tuton)
9. 06:26 PM - springs (Richard Harris)
10. 06:41 PM - Re: springs (John Hauck)
11. 07:38 PM - Re: FireFly Fuselage Fairing (Larry Bourne)
12. 07:47 PM - Re: springs (Richard Pike)
13. 07:50 PM - Re: spoiled rotten (Dennis Souder)
14. 07:59 PM - Re: spoiled rotten (ronnie wehba)
15. 08:35 PM - Re: springs (possums)
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| Subject: | FireFly Fuselage Fairing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
FireFlyer's,
I mounted a fairing on the back of the FireFly. Calculations indicated that it
would save about one horsepower at 50 mphi. It was made from blue foam, chiffon
party dress material, panel board, epoxy, and latex paint. Weighs less than
fourteen ounces.
Sunday, I flew to my monthly EAA Chapter meeting with it mounted. I believe the
propeller noise was less, as it straightens the air flow through the propeller.
The only other difference I noticed was that the FireFly will cruise at 50
mphi at 200 engine rpm less than it did before.
If you would like see how it was made, there are some photos and explanation at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly93.html
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Fuselage Fairing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Looks good and makes sense. Let us know how it holds up, because I know
that area of the fuselage takes a lot of abuse from pressure pulses off the
prop. If It appears that it will stand up to the abuse, I might try one.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Do Not Archive
At 08:16 AM 6/24/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
>
>FireFlyer's,
>
>I mounted a fairing on the back of the FireFly. Calculations indicated
>that it would save about one horsepower at 50 mphi. It was made from blue
>foam, chiffon party dress material, panel board, epoxy, and latex
>paint. Weighs less than fourteen ounces.
>
>Sunday, I flew to my monthly EAA Chapter meeting with it mounted. I
>believe the propeller noise was less, as it straightens the air flow
>through the propeller. The only other difference I noticed was that the
>FireFly will cruise at 50 mphi at 200 engine rpm less than it did before.
>
>If you would like see how it was made, there are some photos and
>explanation at:
>
>http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly93.html
>
>Jack B. Hart FF004
>Jackson, MO
>
>
>Jack & Louise Hart
>jbhart@ldd.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Raising horizontal stab on Mark III |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Folks,
I don't have any plans currently to raise the horizontal stab on the Miss B to
correct for the tail heavy condition until I've tried a couple other things. But
...
Has any one done that and can provide some suggestions about what they learned
in the process? Will I have to drill out the rivets and drill new holes?
Bob
do not archive
Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious<EM>Tenacity Farm </EM>
Campbellsburg, Kentucky
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Fuselage Fairing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> If It appears that it will stand up to the abuse, I might try one.
>
> Richard Pike
Richard/All:
I had to go to sheet metal after 100 hours on the
MK III and 582. It ate the fabric fairing we had
made.
On the Firestar, we had not problem with the 447
eating the fabric fairing.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Raising horizontal stab on Mark III |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
If all you want to do is experiment, make up some small steel brackets, (I
used four extra master link end plates for a big motorcycle chain, two per
side, 3/16" washers to take up any slack, etc.) to raise the front of the
stab a tad, and then bolt it all back together tight. Try and wiggle the
fool out of it and satisfy yourself that it can't move. Then go fly it and
see what you think. (Stay away from redline with that rig).
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 11:50 AM 6/24/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious"
><bbrocious@hotmail.com>
>
>
>Folks,
>I don't have any plans currently to raise the horizontal stab on the Miss
>B to correct for the tail heavy condition until I've tried a couple other
>things. But ...
>
>
>Has any one done that and can provide some suggestions about what they
>learned in the process? Will I have to drill out the rivets and drill new
>holes?
>
>Bob
>
>
>do not archive
>
>
>Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious<EM>Tenacity Farm </EM>
>
>Campbellsburg, Kentucky
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Raising horizontal stab on Mark III |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ZepRep251@aol.com
A piper cub has the leading edge of the horizontal mounted on a jack screw
with about 3 in. of travel. The leading edge of my horizontal has been 1 in. up
since the first test flight in 1999, 230 hrs ago.G.Aman FS2
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Serial Number |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ZepRep251@aol.com
My firestar has the number stamped very lightly on the end cap of the 2 in
main engine support tube at the rear of the cage
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Finished |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford Tuton" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Don:
Prettiest thing I ever saw....
Trade you my wife fer that thing... hell... trade you BOTH of 'em fer
it....! and when I get another one, I'll throw her in too...
Beauford
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Finished
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Well Kolbers...thanks to all of you..and my wifes patience...this little
> bird is done today..other than a dab a safety wire left to do here and
> there, and a couple of instruments that should be here next week.
> I pushed her outside in the sun for the first time today...just 1 week
short
> of 9 months since I brought it home from Atlanta...by way of New London
and
> the Kolb Fly-in. If all Goes well.and the weather holds..maiden flight
> should be july 4th weekend...and considering the paint-job...this sure
seems
> appropriate!
>
> Updated pics on page 11 just taken today....check her out and tell me what
> you guys think!
>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> Don Gherardini-
> FireFly 098
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Hi gang,
Just got back on line after a lighting strike put me out of business for a
couple of weeks. So much for whining. but there is more...
After landing Sat. I noticed a dink in the leading edge of one blade of my
prop ( Warp Drive ) , then a spring missing from the header pipe. There has
got to be a better way...
Richard Harris
MK3 N912RH
Lewisville, Arkansas
DO NOT ARCHIVE
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> After landing Sat. I noticed a dink in the leading edge of one blade of my
> prop ( Warp Drive ) , then a spring missing from the header pipe. There has
> got to be a better way...
>
> Richard Harris
Richard/All:
In almost 500 hours on the 912S and Titan exhaust
system, I have lost one exhaust spring and dinged
the leading edge of one blade. Funny, a flight or
two prior to the spring failing, I had made a
mental note that the springs were about ready to
be replaced. However, I never got around to
replacing them until after sending one through the
prop.
They last a long time if gooped up with silicone
seal pushed down into the spring. If properly
safetied, they will most likely stay on the pipe
rather than go through the prop. I got lazy again
and did not safety.
Think I'll scrounge up four springs and replace
the old ones before they decide to break.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Fuselage Fairing |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Some really good ideas there, and I think that it should hold up pretty good
with the rigid foam backing up the fabric. There shouldn't be any drumming
or such to damage it. Very nice. Admiring Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack & Louise Hart" <jbhart@ldd.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly Fuselage Fairing
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
>
> FireFlyer's,
>
> I mounted a fairing on the back of the FireFly. Calculations indicated
that it would save about one horsepower at 50 mphi. It was made from blue
foam, chiffon party dress material, panel board, epoxy, and latex paint.
Weighs less than fourteen ounces.
>
> Sunday, I flew to my monthly EAA Chapter meeting with it mounted. I
believe the propeller noise was less, as it straightens the air flow through
the propeller. The only other difference I noticed was that the FireFly
will cruise at 50 mphi at 200 engine rpm less than it did before.
>
> If you would like see how it was made, there are some photos and
explanation at:
>
> http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly93.html
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
> Jackson, MO
>
>
> Jack & Louise Hart
> jbhart@ldd.net
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I don't know yet if it is a better way, but I have come up with an
alternate way.
Pictures submitted to the matronics.com photoshare section, maybe tomorrow
they will show up?
I am using 5/16" bolts through some welded on brackets, and then springs in
compression with the bolts through them. That way if a spring breaks, it
can't
go anywhere. Of course, preflights to make sure a bolt isn't worn
are now incredibly important...
But there is minimal load on the bolt and I expect good reliability.
Anyway, I think this might be a good method, when it come up on the photoshare
and you get to see it, then give me some feedback.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 08:23 PM 6/24/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
>
>Hi gang,
>Just got back on line after a lighting strike put me out of business for a
>couple of weeks. So much for whining. but there is more...
>
>After landing Sat. I noticed a dink in the leading edge of one blade of my
>prop ( Warp Drive ) , then a spring missing from the header pipe. There has
>got to be a better way...
>
>
>Richard Harris
>MK3 N912RH
>Lewisville, Arkansas
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: spoiled rotten |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
Woody
Talked to an ex-Kolber once at SNF and he had purchased a Rans S-10. He
told me that on the very first flight, he knew that he had made a big
mistake. Yup ... it was the visibility, or lack thereof. Basic reason why
I never gushed about the Laser - same problem. Doesn't matter how great it
flies - without visibility you don't have much - unless it is just something
used just for transportation. Also you don't realize how much the
visibility helps you on landing. Spoke to a Kolber (ex MiniMax or
something) and he had a very tight strip. Guess what? With the FireStar it
wasn't a tight strip any more.! With the mini-thing he just could not get
it low over the trees because he did not have the visibility and felt that
was always in danger of getting to low. With the FS he could skoot in right
over the tree tops and drop it down at edge of runway. Couldn't do that with
the Mini-whatever. I had a KR2 some years ago which combined the poor
visibility with a reasonably slippery plane and it had no flaps. I just
knew if the engine ever quit, I would have my hands full trying to put it
down. Whatever visibility you have in cruise mode, all but disappears in
slow flight at higher angles of attack. The only way I could land the KR at
minimum airspeed was to give it full left rudder and right aileron, this
gave me a peep-hole in the lower corner of the canopy to see what was ahead.
Otherwise, I would be blind.
Pushers rule.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: spoiled rotten
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> At
>
> >What a kick in the pants, now I REALLY see what you guy's are talking
about.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Pat
>
>
> A friend just gave me a ride in his Zenith 601. What a good looking
> plane and nice lycoming up front. We went for about an hours cruise around
> the county. Beautiful control response. Other than that I feel pretty much
> spoiled by flying Kolbs. In the 601 the engine cowl is on the horizon so
> there is no forward visibility. Down below your shoulder is a wing so
there
> is no downward visibility, so there you are with a 1/4 hemisphere of
> visibility to the side of the nose down to the wing. Tried to find friends
> strips but couldn't untill I circled the area a couple times to make use
of
> the small window of opportunity to see where I was. I suppose if you are
> used to that kind of plane it would be different but going from an
original
> Twinstar then to a modified Mk111 I am kind of spoiled in the amount of
> visibility I need for an enjoyable flight.
> Enjoy your Firestar Pat. Most pilots want an ultralight, they just
don't
> know it or will not admit to it.
>
> P.S. The Zenith is gone and my friend is in the market for a firefly.
> He has received several leads from the list and perhaps soon he will be
one
> of us again.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: spoiled rotten |
BAYES_20, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,
REFERENCES)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
Thanks dennis, me a new "old" ultrastar flyer 84 model i think,,, and i love
it!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: spoiled rotten
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dennis Souder" <flykolb@pa.net>
>
> Woody
>
> Talked to an ex-Kolber once at SNF and he had purchased a Rans S-10. He
> told me that on the very first flight, he knew that he had made a big
> mistake. Yup ... it was the visibility, or lack thereof. Basic reason
why
> I never gushed about the Laser - same problem. Doesn't matter how great
it
> flies - without visibility you don't have much - unless it is just
something
> used just for transportation. Also you don't realize how much the
> visibility helps you on landing. Spoke to a Kolber (ex MiniMax or
> something) and he had a very tight strip. Guess what? With the FireStar
it
> wasn't a tight strip any more.! With the mini-thing he just could not get
> it low over the trees because he did not have the visibility and felt that
> was always in danger of getting to low. With the FS he could skoot in
right
> over the tree tops and drop it down at edge of runway. Couldn't do that
with
> the Mini-whatever. I had a KR2 some years ago which combined the poor
> visibility with a reasonably slippery plane and it had no flaps. I just
> knew if the engine ever quit, I would have my hands full trying to put it
> down. Whatever visibility you have in cruise mode, all but disappears in
> slow flight at higher angles of attack. The only way I could land the KR
at
> minimum airspeed was to give it full left rudder and right aileron, this
> gave me a peep-hole in the lower corner of the canopy to see what was
ahead.
> Otherwise, I would be blind.
>
> Pushers rule.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: spoiled rotten
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
> >
> > At
> >
> > >What a kick in the pants, now I REALLY see what you guy's are talking
> about.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Pat
> >
> >
> > A friend just gave me a ride in his Zenith 601. What a good looking
> > plane and nice lycoming up front. We went for about an hours cruise
around
> > the county. Beautiful control response. Other than that I feel pretty
much
> > spoiled by flying Kolbs. In the 601 the engine cowl is on the horizon so
> > there is no forward visibility. Down below your shoulder is a wing so
> there
> > is no downward visibility, so there you are with a 1/4 hemisphere of
> > visibility to the side of the nose down to the wing. Tried to find
friends
> > strips but couldn't untill I circled the area a couple times to make use
> of
> > the small window of opportunity to see where I was. I suppose if you are
> > used to that kind of plane it would be different but going from an
> original
> > Twinstar then to a modified Mk111 I am kind of spoiled in the amount of
> > visibility I need for an enjoyable flight.
> > Enjoy your Firestar Pat. Most pilots want an ultralight, they just
> don't
> > know it or will not admit to it.
> >
> > P.S. The Zenith is gone and my friend is in the market for a
firefly.
> > He has received several leads from the list and perhaps soon he will be
> one
> > of us again.
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 08:23 PM 6/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
>
>Hi gang,
>Just got back on line after a lighting strike put me out of business for a
>couple of weeks. So much for whining. but there is more...
>
>After landing Sat. I noticed a dink in the leading edge of one blade of my
>prop ( Warp Drive ) , then a spring missing from the header pipe. There has
>got to be a better way...
>
>
>Richard Harris
They've got something to take the place of those rusty old muffler springs
now - if you can afford it.
Cost about $25.00 from CPS and is stainless steel and you don't have to
take your muffler off to put it on.
Only problem so far is that the Stainless Steel tends to cut into the bolts
a little - after several months.
Have ordered new stainless steel bolts to replace the AN ones (the ones
with the springs) that came with the kit.
CPS part # 30385 - you can see one at :
http://www.adventuremotorsport.com/BallJointMufflerKit.htm
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