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1. 12:01 AM - Out of Office AutoReply: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/02/03 (Souza, Mark W)
2. 03:56 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (Scott Trask)
3. 05:55 AM - 447 problem (Edward Steuber)
4. 07:00 AM - Re: 447 problem ()
5. 08:11 AM - riviter (boyd young)
6. 09:54 AM - Re: 447 problem (Larry Bourne)
7. 03:01 PM - if it's Friday Lar is ????? (Bob Bean)
8. 03:53 PM - Re: rectifer mount (DAquaNut@aol.com)
9. 06:55 PM - Re: Venting tank (Richard Pike)
10. 07:37 PM - Re: if it's Friday Lar is ????? (Larry Bourne)
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Subject: | Out of Office AutoReply: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/02/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Souza, Mark W" <mark.w.souza@boeing.com>
I am on vacation until Thursday 7/10/03. Any issues that can't wait that long should
be addressed to my back-up Terry Wagstaff 266-6666. I will monitor my e-mail
and will address any problems that can be handled via e-mail.
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Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2003 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Scott Trask <sctrask@diisd.org>
on 7/2/03 12:32 PM, John Williamson at kolbrapilot@comcast.net wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> Is anyone else planning on flying their Kolb to Oshkosh 2003?
>
> I am planning on spending my last night in Michigan at either:
> - KIMT, Ford Airport, Iron Mountain/Kingsford, Michigan OR
> - KESC, Delta County, Airport Escanaba, Michigan OR
> - KMNM, Menominee-Marinette Twin County Airport, Menominee, Michigan (My first
> choice)
> but will leave from MNM for the leg to Oshkosh. That leg should only be 1 hour
> 30 minutes at 75 mph cruise.
>
> I would enjoy the company on the flight leg that completes one of my major
> goals for the Kolbra. This landing at Oshkosh will make the 48th state that
> the Kolbra has landed in.
>
> My schedule is very flexible but I need to know when you folks can be ready to
> depart MNM so we can make this happen. I would even like to gather someplace
> in Upper Michigan a day or two before to talk Kolb and practice some formation
> flying if anyone is interested.
>
> Possible airports to meet at (in no particular order):
> - 83D, Mackinac County Airport, St Ignace, Michigan OR
> - KERY, Luce County Airport, Newberry, Michigan OR
> - KISQ, Schoolcraft County Airport, Manistique, Michigan OR
> - KIMT, Ford Airport, Iron Mountain/Kingsford, Michigan OR
> - KESC, Delta County Airport, Escanaba, Michigan OR
> - KMNM, Menominee-Marinette Twin County Airport, Menominee, Michigan
>
> AirVenture starts in 27 days.
>
> Please Note: my email address has changed: kolbrapilot@comcast.net
> my website address has changed: http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 391 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
Hi John and gang
My offer still stands for you guys. You can stop and hang your hat here on
the south 40. My runways are small (27-09 963' & 16-34 1300' Trees). I have
flown in here in all kinds of condition--sometimes it is a challenge. There
is also a private strip (sod) not too far from here which is a larger strip
than mine. We have permission to land there and camp if needed. I'd be more
than happy to fly into Oshkosh with you guys, even lead you in, if you
desire. I'm not working on Friday, but if you plan to come in earlier than
that, I'd be able to get time off and meet you guys somewhere. Feel free to
e-mail me I'd be happy to give you any tips or info I have about the
various airports you've listed. I'm sure you won't be disappointed coming
up this way, over the Bridge and across the U.P. Looking forward to meeting
you.
Scott Trask
IMT--MKIII
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
A friend of mine dropped in yesterday with his newly acquired Firestar
1 and upon trying to leave could not advance the throttle past idle. This
problem had happened 2 times before but only after landing at his home airport
and was not able to taxi in.....After pulling our guts out to no avail , we finally
removed the aircleaner and it ran OK but the EGT was down to about 1000
from where it was at 1100 at 5500 rpm . Main jet had previously been changed
to a 170 from a 160 and needle clip was on richest notch closest to tip. Engine
has maybe 30 hours since new. I found the filter soaked in Marvel Mystery oil
from when it had been preserved for winter storage. The new owner had a heck
of a time getting the engine to run after he got it because the previous owner
had dumped about a quart into the engine. It must have backed up through the
filter when it cleared itself ......So after running it on the ground without
the filter he decided the short hop home would be OK and made it without incident..........
Even after blowing the filter with compressed air it would not
work on the engine.......I think it is so close to max rich that the slightest
restriction to induction puts it over rich.....
He is not going to fly anymore till he gets a new filter
and rejets..... or ....... are we missing anything here ?
Just last week we had a problem with a brand new 503 on a Challenger
that turned out to be a stuck check valve in the squeeze bulb that we remedied
with the bypass tube .....It would run untill the carbs ran dry and you probably
would not get it into the air ..... A couple of days before it had run flawlessly
on the ground during breakin ......the bypass around the bulb is highly
recommended after seeing that.......
The other thing that I learned from this incident was how much noisier
these 2 strokes are with no filter....WOW ! Maybe an intake silencer is
next on my Cayuna.....Anybody got any experience with the silencers ?
Tired of starter pulling...... ED in Western NY
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Ed,
Sounds like your friends idle air circuit might be to rich, that's the
little screw on the carb.
This hot humid air sometimes requires us to lean the idle circuit on the
Bings.
I just cured this problem yesterday on my 690L. It required that I go 3 full
turns out on the idle air screws (full lean) and also full lean on the
needles. My clips are in the top slot (full lean).
Most likely when the weather cools in the fall I will have to richen these
circuits slightly.
Until I made these changes the engine did not want to transition from idle
to mid range.
Now it accelerates smoothly across the full range and my air filters are not
getting soaked with fuel.
Denny Rowe
Mk-3 N616DR Preparing for first flight, PA
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Steuber <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: 447 problem
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber"
<esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
>
> A friend of mine dropped in yesterday with his newly acquired
Firestar 1 and upon trying to leave could not advance the throttle past
idle. This problem had happened 2 times before but only after landing at his
home airport and was not able to taxi in.....After pulling our guts out to
no avail , we finally removed the aircleaner and it ran OK but the EGT was
down to about 1000 from where it was at 1100 at 5500 rpm . Main jet had
previously been changed to a 170 from a 160 and needle clip was on richest
notch closest to tip. Engine has maybe 30 hours since new. I found the
filter soaked in Marvel Mystery oil from when it had been preserved for
winter storage. The new owner had a heck of a time getting the engine to run
after he got it because the previous owner had dumped about a quart into the
engine. It must have backed up through the filter when it cleared itself
......So after running it on the ground without the filter he decided the
short hop home would be O!
> K and made it without incident.......... Even after blowing the filter
with compressed air it would not work on the engine.......I think it is so
close to max rich that the slightest restriction to induction puts it over
rich.....
> He is not going to fly anymore till he gets a
new filter and rejets..... or ....... are we missing anything here ?
> Just last week we had a problem with a brand new 503 on a
Challenger that turned out to be a stuck check valve in the squeeze bulb
that we remedied with the bypass tube .....It would run untill the carbs ran
dry and you probably would not get it into the air ..... A couple of days
before it had run flawlessly on the ground during breakin ......the bypass
around the bulb is highly recommended after seeing that.......
> The other thing that I learned from this incident was how much
noisier these 2 strokes are with no filter....WOW ! Maybe an intake
silencer is next on my Cayuna.....Anybody got any experience with the
silencers ?
>
>
Tired of starter pulling...... ED in Western NY
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
John,
I agree with you about the air riveter. When I first started my Firestar
project, I invested in a pneumatic riveter and never regretted it. However I
have found out that I can pull rivets at around 40 to 50 PSI and they seem
to pull and seat a bit better than at higher PSI settings. Give it a try and
let me know what you think.
Tim
to all..
when i started with my air rivit puller i was pleased but it seemed to me that
if i pulled the trigger very slowly the rivits seemed to pull in better....
so i put in a flow restrictor, this seemed to make things better for me. the
restrictor was made from a piece of aluminum, i created a very small hole
in it with a sheetmetal screw, ( just bairly poked it through ) then installed
it with a rubber gasket in the inlet. with the restrictor in place i could
push things in place squeeze the triger, as things started to tighten up i could
then release the pressure to keep things from sliding around and marking
up the finished work.
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I'm not exactly sure how the filter you're using is constructed, but here's
what I ran into while preparing for my trip......................... I
have the big AFE filter (similar to K&N) which I believe is constructed
similarly to yours, on my Dodge diesel. Recently a friend with an auto shop
cleaned it for me by washing it in solvent, then blowing it dry with
compressed air. SOP, right ?? Mentioned it to Rod at Wildcat Diesel during
a conversation, and he hit the roof. He says the fibers in the filter are
blown apart by the compressed air blast, and leaves "big" holes for dust to
come thru. According to the instructions, which he repeated to me, you
should wash it in detergent and water, then rinse it with clear water.
Shake it out, oil it, and go use it. He also said that most people use far
too much oil - just give it an even misting, let it soak in and even out.
I've learned to trust his word, and when he insisted I throw that filter
away, I did so, and bought a new one. ($60.00+ ! ! ! ) Better to be a
little bit safe than a whole lot sorry, eh ?? Wiser Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Steuber" <esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: 447 problem
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber"
<esteuber@rochester.rr.com>
>
> A friend of mine dropped in yesterday with his newly acquired
Firestar 1 and upon trying to leave could not advance the throttle past
idle. This problem had happened 2 times before but only after landing at his
home airport and was not able to taxi in.....After pulling our guts out to
no avail , we finally removed the aircleaner and it ran OK but the EGT was
down to about 1000 from where it was at 1100 at 5500 rpm . Main jet had
previously been changed to a 170 from a 160 and needle clip was on richest
notch closest to tip. Engine has maybe 30 hours since new. I found the
filter soaked in Marvel Mystery oil from when it had been preserved for
winter storage. The new owner had a heck of a time getting the engine to run
after he got it because the previous owner had dumped about a quart into the
engine. It must have backed up through the filter when it cleared itself
......So after running it on the ground without the filter he decided the
short hop home would be O!
> K and made it without incident.......... Even after blowing the filter
with compressed air it would not work on the engine.......I think it is so
close to max rich that the slightest restriction to induction puts it over
rich.....
> He is not going to fly anymore till he gets a
new filter and rejets..... or ....... are we missing anything here ?
> Just last week we had a problem with a brand new 503 on a
Challenger that turned out to be a stuck check valve in the squeeze bulb
that we remedied with the bypass tube .....It would run untill the carbs ran
dry and you probably would not get it into the air ..... A couple of days
before it had run flawlessly on the ground during breakin ......the bypass
around the bulb is highly recommended after seeing that.......
> The other thing that I learned from this incident was how much
noisier these 2 strokes are with no filter....WOW ! Maybe an intake
silencer is next on my Cayuna.....Anybody got any experience with the
silencers ?
>
>
Tired of starter pulling...... ED in Western NY
>
>
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Subject: | if it's Friday Lar is ????? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Let us know if you get lost or broke, dial in that GPS and update us
stay-at-homes on your location. Eventual plans for my engine are
to install an automotive (junkyard) box type aircleaner. They are
good at maintaining a more constant pressure drop through successive
stages of uncleanliness. -but at this perpetual stage of near-completion
my temporary fix is a K&N re-cleanable filter that I ordered with the
"recharger" service kit. It was an easy installation but looks quite
small, will have to do frequent bug checks.
One question to all, where is the best place to terminate a fuel tank
vent line? Bottom of cage at boom tube? -BB do not archive
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Subject: | Re: rectifer mount |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
Gang,
Im to the point of installing the rectifier on my 447 firefly. Does
anyone have a really slick mounting method they are proud of and willing to
share. Is there a good way to mount it to the engine?
Ed ( in Houston)
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Subject: | Re: Venting tank |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
That area will get a lot of pressure pulses as the prop passes it each
time. I would suggest farther forward. I have noticed that gnats collect on
the passenger side of the fuselage up to 2 feet ahead of the prop, smacked
against it by the pressure wave, so I expect that the prop pulses air at
least that far ahead. Don't know how that would affect the tank venting,
but somehow I just don't think it would be good.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 06:08 PM 7/3/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
>One question to all, where is the best place to terminate a fuel tank
>vent line? Bottom of cage at boom tube? -BB do not archive
>
>
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Subject: | Re: if it's Friday Lar is ????? |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I was 'Bourne' broke....................send money quick ! ! ! Spent
last night with friends in Aberdeen, WA; tonight with friends in Port
Angeles, WA. Snagged and nearly landed a 6 ft. sturgeon on 4# test line at
Bonneville Dam while fishing for shad yesterday morning, and caused a
sensation till it broke off after 25 minutes. What Fun ! ! ! (we got a
quick look at it before it panicked and made its' final run) Going crabbing
and salmon fishing tomorrow, and on to Vancouver, B.C. *probably* on Sunday.
Had plans for more here, but the town is about shutting down from Thurs.
night till Tues. morning for the 4th festivities. Port Angeles is the 2nd
National City, and takes it seriously ! ! ! Fast Cruisin'
Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: if it's Friday Lar is ?????
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
> Let us know if you get lost or broke, dial in that GPS and update us
> stay-at-homes on your location. Eventual plans for my engine are
> to install an automotive (junkyard) box type aircleaner. They are
> good at maintaining a more constant pressure drop through successive
> stages of uncleanliness. -but at this perpetual stage of near-completion
> my temporary fix is a K&N re-cleanable filter that I ordered with the
> "recharger" service kit. It was an easy installation but looks quite
> small, will have to do frequent bug checks.
> One question to all, where is the best place to terminate a fuel tank
> vent line? Bottom of cage at boom tube? -BB do not archive
>
>
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