---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/03/03: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:01 AM - Out of Office AutoReply: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/02/03 (Souza, Mark W) 2. 03:56 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (Scott Trask) 3. 05:55 AM - 447 problem (Edward Steuber) 4. 07:00 AM - Re: 447 problem () 5. 08:11 AM - riviter (boyd young) 6. 09:54 AM - Re: 447 problem (Larry Bourne) 7. 03:01 PM - if it's Friday Lar is ????? (Bob Bean) 8. 03:53 PM - Re: rectifer mount (DAquaNut@aol.com) 9. 06:55 PM - Re: Venting tank (Richard Pike) 10. 07:37 PM - Re: if it's Friday Lar is ????? (Larry Bourne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:42 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Out of Office AutoReply: Kolb-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 07/02/03 From: "Souza, Mark W" --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Souza, Mark W" I am on vacation until Thursday 7/10/03. Any issues that can't wait that long should be addressed to my back-up Terry Wagstaff 266-6666. I will monitor my e-mail and will address any problems that can be handled via e-mail. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003 From: Scott Trask --> Kolb-List message posted by: Scott Trask on 7/2/03 12:32 PM, John Williamson at kolbrapilot@comcast.net wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" > > Is anyone else planning on flying their Kolb to Oshkosh 2003? > > I am planning on spending my last night in Michigan at either: > - KIMT, Ford Airport, Iron Mountain/Kingsford, Michigan OR > - KESC, Delta County, Airport Escanaba, Michigan OR > - KMNM, Menominee-Marinette Twin County Airport, Menominee, Michigan (My first > choice) > but will leave from MNM for the leg to Oshkosh. That leg should only be 1 hour > 30 minutes at 75 mph cruise. > > I would enjoy the company on the flight leg that completes one of my major > goals for the Kolbra. This landing at Oshkosh will make the 48th state that > the Kolbra has landed in. > > My schedule is very flexible but I need to know when you folks can be ready to > depart MNM so we can make this happen. I would even like to gather someplace > in Upper Michigan a day or two before to talk Kolb and practice some formation > flying if anyone is interested. > > Possible airports to meet at (in no particular order): > - 83D, Mackinac County Airport, St Ignace, Michigan OR > - KERY, Luce County Airport, Newberry, Michigan OR > - KISQ, Schoolcraft County Airport, Manistique, Michigan OR > - KIMT, Ford Airport, Iron Mountain/Kingsford, Michigan OR > - KESC, Delta County Airport, Escanaba, Michigan OR > - KMNM, Menominee-Marinette Twin County Airport, Menominee, Michigan > > AirVenture starts in 27 days. > > Please Note: my email address has changed: kolbrapilot@comcast.net > my website address has changed: http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > > > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 391 hours > http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot > Hi John and gang My offer still stands for you guys. You can stop and hang your hat here on the south 40. My runways are small (27-09 963' & 16-34 1300' Trees). I have flown in here in all kinds of condition--sometimes it is a challenge. There is also a private strip (sod) not too far from here which is a larger strip than mine. We have permission to land there and camp if needed. I'd be more than happy to fly into Oshkosh with you guys, even lead you in, if you desire. I'm not working on Friday, but if you plan to come in earlier than that, I'd be able to get time off and meet you guys somewhere. Feel free to e-mail me I'd be happy to give you any tips or info I have about the various airports you've listed. I'm sure you won't be disappointed coming up this way, over the Bridge and across the U.P. Looking forward to meeting you. Scott Trask IMT--MKIII ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:32 AM PST US From: "Edward Steuber" Subject: Kolb-List: 447 problem --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" A friend of mine dropped in yesterday with his newly acquired Firestar 1 and upon trying to leave could not advance the throttle past idle. This problem had happened 2 times before but only after landing at his home airport and was not able to taxi in.....After pulling our guts out to no avail , we finally removed the aircleaner and it ran OK but the EGT was down to about 1000 from where it was at 1100 at 5500 rpm . Main jet had previously been changed to a 170 from a 160 and needle clip was on richest notch closest to tip. Engine has maybe 30 hours since new. I found the filter soaked in Marvel Mystery oil from when it had been preserved for winter storage. The new owner had a heck of a time getting the engine to run after he got it because the previous owner had dumped about a quart into the engine. It must have backed up through the filter when it cleared itself ......So after running it on the ground without the filter he decided the short hop home would be OK and made it without incident.......... Even after blowing the filter with compressed air it would not work on the engine.......I think it is so close to max rich that the slightest restriction to induction puts it over rich..... He is not going to fly anymore till he gets a new filter and rejets..... or ....... are we missing anything here ? Just last week we had a problem with a brand new 503 on a Challenger that turned out to be a stuck check valve in the squeeze bulb that we remedied with the bypass tube .....It would run untill the carbs ran dry and you probably would not get it into the air ..... A couple of days before it had run flawlessly on the ground during breakin ......the bypass around the bulb is highly recommended after seeing that....... The other thing that I learned from this incident was how much noisier these 2 strokes are with no filter....WOW ! Maybe an intake silencer is next on my Cayuna.....Anybody got any experience with the silencers ? Tired of starter pulling...... ED in Western NY ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:19 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 447 problem --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ed, Sounds like your friends idle air circuit might be to rich, that's the little screw on the carb. This hot humid air sometimes requires us to lean the idle circuit on the Bings. I just cured this problem yesterday on my 690L. It required that I go 3 full turns out on the idle air screws (full lean) and also full lean on the needles. My clips are in the top slot (full lean). Most likely when the weather cools in the fall I will have to richen these circuits slightly. Until I made these changes the engine did not want to transition from idle to mid range. Now it accelerates smoothly across the full range and my air filters are not getting soaked with fuel. Denny Rowe Mk-3 N616DR Preparing for first flight, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Steuber Subject: Kolb-List: 447 problem > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" > > A friend of mine dropped in yesterday with his newly acquired Firestar 1 and upon trying to leave could not advance the throttle past idle. This problem had happened 2 times before but only after landing at his home airport and was not able to taxi in.....After pulling our guts out to no avail , we finally removed the aircleaner and it ran OK but the EGT was down to about 1000 from where it was at 1100 at 5500 rpm . Main jet had previously been changed to a 170 from a 160 and needle clip was on richest notch closest to tip. Engine has maybe 30 hours since new. I found the filter soaked in Marvel Mystery oil from when it had been preserved for winter storage. The new owner had a heck of a time getting the engine to run after he got it because the previous owner had dumped about a quart into the engine. It must have backed up through the filter when it cleared itself ......So after running it on the ground without the filter he decided the short hop home would be O! > K and made it without incident.......... Even after blowing the filter with compressed air it would not work on the engine.......I think it is so close to max rich that the slightest restriction to induction puts it over rich..... > He is not going to fly anymore till he gets a new filter and rejets..... or ....... are we missing anything here ? > Just last week we had a problem with a brand new 503 on a Challenger that turned out to be a stuck check valve in the squeeze bulb that we remedied with the bypass tube .....It would run untill the carbs ran dry and you probably would not get it into the air ..... A couple of days before it had run flawlessly on the ground during breakin ......the bypass around the bulb is highly recommended after seeing that....... > The other thing that I learned from this incident was how much noisier these 2 strokes are with no filter....WOW ! Maybe an intake silencer is next on my Cayuna.....Anybody got any experience with the silencers ? > > Tired of starter pulling...... ED in Western NY > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:53 AM PST US From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: riviter --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" John, I agree with you about the air riveter. When I first started my Firestar project, I invested in a pneumatic riveter and never regretted it. However I have found out that I can pull rivets at around 40 to 50 PSI and they seem to pull and seat a bit better than at higher PSI settings. Give it a try and let me know what you think. Tim to all.. when i started with my air rivit puller i was pleased but it seemed to me that if i pulled the trigger very slowly the rivits seemed to pull in better.... so i put in a flow restrictor, this seemed to make things better for me. the restrictor was made from a piece of aluminum, i created a very small hole in it with a sheetmetal screw, ( just bairly poked it through ) then installed it with a rubber gasket in the inlet. with the restrictor in place i could push things in place squeeze the triger, as things started to tighten up i could then release the pressure to keep things from sliding around and marking up the finished work. boyd ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:57 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 447 problem --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I'm not exactly sure how the filter you're using is constructed, but here's what I ran into while preparing for my trip......................... I have the big AFE filter (similar to K&N) which I believe is constructed similarly to yours, on my Dodge diesel. Recently a friend with an auto shop cleaned it for me by washing it in solvent, then blowing it dry with compressed air. SOP, right ?? Mentioned it to Rod at Wildcat Diesel during a conversation, and he hit the roof. He says the fibers in the filter are blown apart by the compressed air blast, and leaves "big" holes for dust to come thru. According to the instructions, which he repeated to me, you should wash it in detergent and water, then rinse it with clear water. Shake it out, oil it, and go use it. He also said that most people use far too much oil - just give it an even misting, let it soak in and even out. I've learned to trust his word, and when he insisted I throw that filter away, I did so, and bought a new one. ($60.00+ ! ! ! ) Better to be a little bit safe than a whole lot sorry, eh ?? Wiser Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Steuber" Subject: Kolb-List: 447 problem > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Steuber" > > A friend of mine dropped in yesterday with his newly acquired Firestar 1 and upon trying to leave could not advance the throttle past idle. This problem had happened 2 times before but only after landing at his home airport and was not able to taxi in.....After pulling our guts out to no avail , we finally removed the aircleaner and it ran OK but the EGT was down to about 1000 from where it was at 1100 at 5500 rpm . Main jet had previously been changed to a 170 from a 160 and needle clip was on richest notch closest to tip. Engine has maybe 30 hours since new. I found the filter soaked in Marvel Mystery oil from when it had been preserved for winter storage. The new owner had a heck of a time getting the engine to run after he got it because the previous owner had dumped about a quart into the engine. It must have backed up through the filter when it cleared itself ......So after running it on the ground without the filter he decided the short hop home would be O! > K and made it without incident.......... Even after blowing the filter with compressed air it would not work on the engine.......I think it is so close to max rich that the slightest restriction to induction puts it over rich..... > He is not going to fly anymore till he gets a new filter and rejets..... or ....... are we missing anything here ? > Just last week we had a problem with a brand new 503 on a Challenger that turned out to be a stuck check valve in the squeeze bulb that we remedied with the bypass tube .....It would run untill the carbs ran dry and you probably would not get it into the air ..... A couple of days before it had run flawlessly on the ground during breakin ......the bypass around the bulb is highly recommended after seeing that....... > The other thing that I learned from this incident was how much noisier these 2 strokes are with no filter....WOW ! Maybe an intake silencer is next on my Cayuna.....Anybody got any experience with the silencers ? > > Tired of starter pulling...... ED in Western NY > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:45 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Kolb-List: if it's Friday Lar is ????? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Let us know if you get lost or broke, dial in that GPS and update us stay-at-homes on your location. Eventual plans for my engine are to install an automotive (junkyard) box type aircleaner. They are good at maintaining a more constant pressure drop through successive stages of uncleanliness. -but at this perpetual stage of near-completion my temporary fix is a K&N re-cleanable filter that I ordered with the "recharger" service kit. It was an easy installation but looks quite small, will have to do frequent bug checks. One question to all, where is the best place to terminate a fuel tank vent line? Bottom of cage at boom tube? -BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:29 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: rectifer mount --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com Gang, Im to the point of installing the rectifier on my 447 firefly. Does anyone have a really slick mounting method they are proud of and willing to share. Is there a good way to mount it to the engine? Ed ( in Houston) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:32 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Venting tank --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike That area will get a lot of pressure pulses as the prop passes it each time. I would suggest farther forward. I have noticed that gnats collect on the passenger side of the fuselage up to 2 feet ahead of the prop, smacked against it by the pressure wave, so I expect that the prop pulses air at least that far ahead. Don't know how that would affect the tank venting, but somehow I just don't think it would be good. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 06:08 PM 7/3/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean > >One question to all, where is the best place to terminate a fuel tank >vent line? Bottom of cage at boom tube? -BB do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:51 PM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: if it's Friday Lar is ????? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I was 'Bourne' broke....................send money quick ! ! ! Spent last night with friends in Aberdeen, WA; tonight with friends in Port Angeles, WA. Snagged and nearly landed a 6 ft. sturgeon on 4# test line at Bonneville Dam while fishing for shad yesterday morning, and caused a sensation till it broke off after 25 minutes. What Fun ! ! ! (we got a quick look at it before it panicked and made its' final run) Going crabbing and salmon fishing tomorrow, and on to Vancouver, B.C. *probably* on Sunday. Had plans for more here, but the town is about shutting down from Thurs. night till Tues. morning for the 4th festivities. Port Angeles is the 2nd National City, and takes it seriously ! ! ! Fast Cruisin' Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Bean" Subject: Kolb-List: if it's Friday Lar is ????? > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean > > Let us know if you get lost or broke, dial in that GPS and update us > stay-at-homes on your location. Eventual plans for my engine are > to install an automotive (junkyard) box type aircleaner. They are > good at maintaining a more constant pressure drop through successive > stages of uncleanliness. -but at this perpetual stage of near-completion > my temporary fix is a K&N re-cleanable filter that I ordered with the > "recharger" service kit. It was an easy installation but looks quite > small, will have to do frequent bug checks. > One question to all, where is the best place to terminate a fuel tank > vent line? Bottom of cage at boom tube? -BB do not archive > >