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1. 06:58 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/06/03 (Jeremy Casey)
2. 07:23 AM - Re: Firestar II For Sale (Bruce Harrison)
3. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/06/03 (John Hauck)
4. 10:20 AM - Kolbs are Different (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
5. 12:36 PM - Re: Kolbs are Different (GeoR38@aol.com)
6. 03:53 PM - Re: Kolbs are Different (Richard Harris)
7. 04:25 PM - Aero-News Network (Bob Bean)
8. 05:16 PM - Re: Kolbs are Different (ronnie wehba)
9. 06:14 PM - address (ronnie wehba)
10. 06:20 PM - Re: Prop Washers (DAquaNut@aol.com)
11. 06:27 PM - First flights of N232S (Ron Hoyt)
12. 06:58 PM - Re: Prop Washers ()
13. 07:01 PM - Re: First flights of N232S ()
14. 07:06 PM - Re: Prop Washers (John Hauck)
15. 07:13 PM - to much mail (ron mashburn)
16. 07:13 PM - Re: First flights of N232S (John Hauck)
17. 07:20 PM - rained out ()
18. 07:22 PM - Re: Prop Washers (DAquaNut@aol.com)
19. 07:22 PM - Re: First flights of N232S (Richard Pike)
20. 07:25 PM - Re: to much mail (John Hauck)
21. 07:28 PM - Re: Prop Washers (Richard Pike)
22. 07:30 PM - Firestar for sale? (Richard Pike)
23. 07:33 PM - Re: Prop Washers (DAquaNut@aol.com)
24. 08:25 PM - Re: First flights of N232S (Larry Cottrell)
25. 08:37 PM - Lexan Gap Seal (Jim O'Day)
26. 08:43 PM - Re: Prop Washers (Richard Pike)
27. 08:57 PM - Re: Prop Washers (DAquaNut@aol.com)
28. 09:07 PM - Re: Prop Washers (John Hauck)
29. 09:24 PM - Re: Firestar II For Sale (ksanrb)
30. 09:43 PM - Re: Prop Washers (Larry Cottrell)
31. 10:17 PM - Re: to much mail (jerb)
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| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/06/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" <jrcasey@ldl.net>
Take care,
john h
PS: The announcement increasing TBO on the
912/912S to 1,500 hours sure made me feel good.
If us users can keep them together for a while
longer, Rotax may increase to 2,000 hours. I know
of one 912 that has probably busted 2,000 hours by
now, Don Huff, La Grange, GA. His 912 gets little
rest as he loves to fly his RANS S7, I think.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
<SNIP>
John,
Flew awhile with Don last night, over to Thomaston, Ga. (flew
around in "The Bowl"---a area about 2 miles across where the Pine
Mountain Ridge forms a bowl for lack of a better term that is unbroken
except for where the Flint River meanders in and out...there is also
some kind of deer farm ("rein"deer I believe...a couple of herds of
them...))
Anyway he is knocking on 2100 hours now on his 80hp 912. If you don't
want to see a guy smile, don't ask him about his motor. He had a couple
of A&P buddies got him scared about his gearbox (Lycoming guys that
think all motors have to be direct drive...) a couple of month back. He
pulled it off and took it to a friends shop with a press and broke it
apart. Gears looked brand new...no determinable wear, and the dogs were
picture perfect. Shimmed it up tight, replaced nothing and put it back
on... Talked to Eric Tucker the Rotax guy and Eric said they designed
the gearbox for something like 3800 hour lifetime. Don is happy with
his "mid-life" engine...
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II For Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrison" <firestarii@hotmail.com>
Thank you for the reply and the pictures. I will take a good look at them.
Sure wish AZ were closer! Although I did buy some Firestar parts in Maine
one time, that is a pretty serious drive.
I have built 2 Firestar II's, one from the old Kolb and one from the new
Kolb. I currently have a 1/2 share in a Firestar I, or an original Firestar.
It has a Rotax 377. It flies well but I prefer the roominess of the Firestar
II and the fact that I could put my 503 on it. I have a 503 DCDCDI that I am
rebuilding at the moment.
Thanks.
>From: "ksanrb" <ksanrb@netzero.net>
>Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>To: "Kolb List" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar II For Sale
>Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:40:13 -0700
>
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ksanrb" <ksanrb@netzero.net>
>
>Firestar II airframe completely assembled. Frame covered and Poly-spray,
>Poly-tone paint applied, no instruments or engine.
>$6000. Deteriorating health and financial condition reason for sale.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/06/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Anyway he is knocking on 2100 hours now on his 80hp 912.
Jeremy
Jeremy/All:
Next time you see Don Huff, ask him what kind of
oil, fuel, maintenance has used during the life of
his 912.
I am sure the 912 guys on the Kolb List would be
as interested as I am.
Basically, maintenance on the 912 is oil/filter
change every 100 hours, spark plugs every 200
hours, fuel filter and air filter as required.
Additional maintenance required for minor
replacement of carb parts, i.e., floats, float
needles and related parts (wear of brass parts due
to vibration).
The 912 series engine cost more initially, but pay
for themselves in reliability, endurance, and low
maintenance in the long run. When someone comes
up with a better engine/gearbox combo for a
cheaper price, I'll buy it.
john h
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| Subject: | Kolbs are Different |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Kolb Friends -
Here's a short story I want to share:
I flew my Mark-III one morning last week. It was very early. I only flew
for a half hour - did 3 touch & go landings, but I had the airport all to
myself (no other traffic). Afterwards, as I was rolling my plane back into
the hangar, a gentleman drove up in his car and got out to meet me. He told
me he lived a half-mile from the airport, had seen me flying earlier, and he
decided to drive to the airport to see my airplane
I was surprised to hear that he would go thru the trouble to drive out to
the airport just to see one airplane that was flying around the pattern.
Especially since he was just a local resident and not a fellow airport user.
After all, he sees airplanes flying around this area all the time. This was
his answer:
"You're plane was different from what I see everyday. And I was amazed at
its climbing ability - looked like you were going almost straight up. Yours
looked like a really fun kind of airplane, and I just wanted to see your
plane and meet you."
Then he told me it was a nice-looking airplane.
I was humbled, and honored. Although I'm *only* seeing 700 fpm climb rate,
that must be lots more than the Pipers and Cessnas are doing out here at
this 6200 foot elevation airport, and the locals must notice. That made my
day!
I guess some people DO notice that our planes are not ordinary!
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, Verner-powered
Cedar Crest, NM
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbs are Different |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 07/07/2003 1:21:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil writes:
> Kolb Friends -
>
> Here's a short story I want to share:
>
> I flew my Mark-III one morning last week. It was very early. I only flew
> for a half hour - did 3 touch &go landings, but I had the airport all to
> myself (no other traffic). Afterwards, as I was rolling my plane back into
> the hangar, a gentleman drove up in his car and got out to meet me. He told
> me he lived a half-mile from the airport, had seen me flying earlier, and he
> decided to drive to the airport to see my airplane
>
> I was surprised to hear that he would go thru the trouble to drive out to
> the airport just to see one airplane that was flying around the pattern.
> Especially since he was just a local resident and not a fellow airport user.
> After all, he sees airplanes flying around this area all the time. This was
> his answer:
>
> "You're plane was different from what I see everyday. And I was amazed at
> its climbing ability - looked like you were going almost straight up. Yours
> looked like a really fun kind of airplane, and I just wanted to see your
> plane and meet you."
>
> Then he told me it was a nice-looking airplane.
>
> I was humbled, and honored. Although I'm *only* seeing 700 fpm climb rate,
> that must be lots more than the Pipers and Cessnas are doing out here at
> this 6200 foot elevation airport, and the locals must notice. That made my
> day!
>
> I guess some people DO notice that our planes are not ordinary!
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-III, Verner-powered
> Cedar Crest, NM
>
> do not archive
>
What a great story, Dennis, ....glad you shared it with us!
George Randolph
Firestar driver from Akron, Oh....home of Lebron James....rich kid
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbs are Different |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Dennis, That's a good story. I have a lot of friends that fly GA aircraft,
When any of them go flying with me, their reaction is always the same about
the climb rate and the deck angle during climb out.
We really do fly an amazing airplane.
Thanks Homer....
Richard Harris
MK3 912 RH
You wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolbs are Different
> Here's a short story I want to share:
> I guess some people DO notice that our planes are not ordinary!
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-III, Verner-powered
> Cedar Crest, NM
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Aero-News Network |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Ultrastar owners, check this out. 1853? looks sorta familiardoesn't it?
do not archive
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=2dd0aeb5-4f53-4a49-a67b-454929008172&
<http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=2dd0aeb5-4f53-4a49-a67b-454929008172&>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbs are Different |
BAYES_20, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,
ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
who is lebron james?
----- Original Message -----
From: <GeoR38@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolbs are Different
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 07/07/2003 1:21:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil writes:
>
> > Kolb Friends -
> >
> > Here's a short story I want to share:
> >
> > I flew my Mark-III one morning last week. It was very early. I only
flew
> > for a half hour - did 3 touch &go landings, but I had the airport all to
> > myself (no other traffic). Afterwards, as I was rolling my plane back
into
> > the hangar, a gentleman drove up in his car and got out to meet me. He
told
> > me he lived a half-mile from the airport, had seen me flying earlier,
and he
> > decided to drive to the airport to see my airplane
> >
> > I was surprised to hear that he would go thru the trouble to drive out
to
> > the airport just to see one airplane that was flying around the pattern.
> > Especially since he was just a local resident and not a fellow airport
user.
> > After all, he sees airplanes flying around this area all the time. This
was
> > his answer:
> >
> > "You're plane was different from what I see everyday. And I was amazed
at
> > its climbing ability - looked like you were going almost straight up.
Yours
> > looked like a really fun kind of airplane, and I just wanted to see your
> > plane and meet you."
> >
> > Then he told me it was a nice-looking airplane.
> >
> > I was humbled, and honored. Although I'm *only* seeing 700 fpm climb
rate,
> > that must be lots more than the Pipers and Cessnas are doing out here at
> > this 6200 foot elevation airport, and the locals must notice. That made
my
> > day!
> >
> > I guess some people DO notice that our planes are not ordinary!
> >
> > Dennis Kirby
> > Mark-III, Verner-powered
> > Cedar Crest, NM
> >
> > do not archive
> >
>
> What a great story, Dennis, ....glad you shared it with us!
>
> George Randolph
> Firestar driver from Akron, Oh....home of Lebron James....rich kid
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
anyone know how to find a AOL email address?
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
Gang,
After trying to find out if I needed nuts for my Ivo prop ,I realized that
the 6 washers In the bag from Ivo were flat washers. Should I be using Lock
washers? Im wondering if I got the bag mixed up or something. If I dont use
lock washers what will keep the bolts on?
Ed (in Houston)
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| Subject: | First flights of N232S |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron Hoyt <rrhoyt@ieee.org>
N232S is a Mark III classic with a 912, a BRS and a night VFR instrument suit.
I have about 6 hr on the bird to date. The first flight occurred last Oct.
on a dismal evening and verified it was airworthy with 3 landings.
My first flight bent the right landing gear by stalling it about 4 ft above
the runway. The repairs were completed this spring and flight
familiarization began in earnest. I have since added a rudder trim tab and
an aileron trim tab that neutralize the stick and rudder pressures. There
is, however, an elevator trim issue.
The Mark III has an elevator trim control that spring loads the elevator
control. This trim runs out of authority when the engine RPM exceeds 5000.
Past discussions on the list have hypotheses the angle of the crankshaft
relative to the wings as impacting the pitch control of the plane.
Currently the forward engine mounts have a 5/8 inch bushing that increases
the pitch angle of the engine. The engine is still pitched at an angle
lower than the bottom of the wing (approximately 5 degrees more or less).
Does anybody on the list have any experience with the engine pitch impact
on the elevator trim authority?
By the way the prop is a 68 inch IVO standard, pitched at 14 degrees
relative to the prop disk. It allows the engine to turn 5600 RPM at full
throttle during climb out and does not redline in level flight. The ASI
says that I am doing over 70 mph and less than 75(I calibrated the ASI
statically and discovered it read about 5 mph low)
Is this about the expected performance or should I look for additional
errors in the pitot system?
I want to thank J Hauck and T Swartz for the info they provided over the
construction years.
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Ed,
If the bolts are long enough buy some metric nylock nuts and put them on the
back side of the prop flange to jam the prop bolts, I see many Ivo props
flying with just the bolts threaded through the prop flange, but I always
used the jam nuts to lock mine in place. Install em after the prop is
torqued to 150 inch pounds and make sure to put a wrench on the prop bolts
so they don't back out when the nut is tightened.
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Washers
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
>
> Gang,
> After trying to find out if I needed nuts for my Ivo prop ,I realized
that
> the 6 washers In the bag from Ivo were flat washers. Should I be using
Lock
> washers? Im wondering if I got the bag mixed up or something. If I dont
use
> lock washers what will keep the bolts on?
>
> Ed (in Houston)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First flights of N232S |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Ron,
As Ionly have one short flight on my Mk-3 classic, I am not able to offer
you any advice on curing your trim problem, but I do want to say
congratulations on your completion of your bird.
Denny Rowe
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Hoyt <rrhoyt@ieee.org>
Subject: Kolb-List: First flights of N232S
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron Hoyt <rrhoyt@ieee.org>
>
> N232S is a Mark III classic with a 912, a BRS and a night VFR instrument
suit.
>
> I have about 6 hr on the bird to date. The first flight occurred last
Oct.
> on a dismal evening and verified it was airworthy with 3 landings.
>
> My first flight bent the right landing gear by stalling it about 4 ft
above
> the runway. The repairs were completed this spring and flight
> familiarization began in earnest. I have since added a rudder trim tab and
> an aileron trim tab that neutralize the stick and rudder pressures. There
> is, however, an elevator trim issue.
>
> The Mark III has an elevator trim control that spring loads the elevator
> control. This trim runs out of authority when the engine RPM exceeds
5000.
>
> Past discussions on the list have hypotheses the angle of the crankshaft
> relative to the wings as impacting the pitch control of the plane.
> Currently the forward engine mounts have a 5/8 inch bushing that increases
> the pitch angle of the engine. The engine is still pitched at an angle
> lower than the bottom of the wing (approximately 5 degrees more or less).
>
> Does anybody on the list have any experience with the engine pitch impact
> on the elevator trim authority?
>
> By the way the prop is a 68 inch IVO standard, pitched at 14 degrees
> relative to the prop disk. It allows the engine to turn 5600 RPM at full
> throttle during climb out and does not redline in level flight. The ASI
> says that I am doing over 70 mph and less than 75(I calibrated the ASI
> statically and discovered it read about 5 mph low)
>
> Is this about the expected performance or should I look for additional
> errors in the pitot system?
>
> I want to thank J Hauck and T Swartz for the info they provided over the
> construction years.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> If I dont use
> lock washers what will keep the bolts on?
>
> Ed (in Houston)
Ed/All:
You can drill and safety the bolt heads, or you
can secure the bolts with nyloc nuts.
Don't think you want to use lock washers on your
prop. In fact, I don't know of any place on the
airframe that would use them.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ron mashburn <rv4ron@yahoo.com>
stop all my mail thanks ron
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| Subject: | Re: First flights of N232S |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Hi Ron/All:
> The Mark III has an elevator trim control that spring loads the elevator
> control. This trim runs out of authority when the engine RPM exceeds 5000.
Add an additional spring to your pitch trim. That
should take care of that problem.
> Does anybody on the list have any experience with the engine pitch impact
> on the elevator trim authority?
On my MK III the above had no effect on pitch.
> By the way the prop is a 68 inch IVO standard, pitched at 14 degrees
> relative to the prop disk. It allows the engine to turn 5600 RPM at full
> throttle during climb out and does not redline in level flight.
I believe you are trying to prop to a 5,800 rpm
red line, which is only good for 5 minutes. Sorta
like military power. Using a ground adjustable
prop, I prop for 5,500 rpm, WOT, straight and
level flight. This gives me my best climb and
cruise. To get 5,500 rpm with the Warp Drive, I
set static rpm at 5,300 to 5,400 rpm. With brakes
locked and WOT the engine will turn 5,400 rpm. As
soon as, or shortly thereafter, when the prop
starts getting a little cleaner air, she drops
down to 5,300 rpm for take off and climb out.
> I want to thank J Hauck and T Swartz for the info they provided over the
> construction years.
You are more than welcome for the info. Hope you
have a successful and happy journey with your MK
III.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Kolbers,
Went out to the airport tonight to repitch the Powerfin and hoped to add to the
flight time on my Mk-3.
No such luck, rain and wind here in South-Wetnern PA just keeps coming.
Oh well, it gave me plenty of time to adjust the prop and check things over real
good.
My next chance to get airborne will be Wednesday morning if the weather cooperates.
Denny Rowe
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 7/7/03 8:06:36 PM Central Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
<< > If I dont use
> lock washers what will keep the bolts on?
>
> Ed (in Houston)
Ed/All:
You can drill and safety the bolt heads, or you
can secure the bolts with nyloc nuts.
Don't think you want to use lock washers on your
prop. In fact, I don't know of any place on the
airframe that would use them.
john h
>>
Snip
John H/ Others,
Thanks ,I will either drill or use nylocks.
Ed (in Houston)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: First flights of N232S |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Something is not right. (But you already knew that...) With a 582, a lot of
power tends to hold the nose down a bit, throttling back a lot tends to let
the nose rise a little, but just barely enough to notice.
It is normal on mine to have the elevator trim fully relaxed when flying solo.
Here's my theory:
If the engine thrust in a MKIII type airplane is causing a nose down
situation, you correct it by getting the wing at a higher angle of attack
relative to the propeller, by lowering the front of the engine, or raising
the rear of the engine. Visualize what would happen if you radically
changed your engines thrust vector: visualize the thrust vector above the
wing and parallel to it, (front of engine high, rear low) and you can see
how it would be like a lever trying to create an outside loop. Now
visualize the front of the engine real low and the back real high: the
thrust vector is now going through the wing behind the leading edge, and
the airplane wants to nose up and do an inside loop. Now take that
visualization and modify it to a more reasonable level.
Since your problem is apparently at the nosing over end of the spectrum, I
think if I was in your situation, I would try it without the 5/8" bushing
under the front mounts and see if that helps. If it helps some but not
enough, try 1/8" under the rear mounts and see what happens. I would really
expect that to make it get better.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron Hoyt <rrhoyt@ieee.org>
>
>N232S is a Mark III classic with a 912, a BRS and a night VFR instrument suit.
>
>I have about 6 hr on the bird to date. The first flight occurred last Oct.
>on a dismal evening and verified it was airworthy with 3 landings.
>
>My first flight bent the right landing gear by stalling it about 4 ft above
>the runway. The repairs were completed this spring and flight
>familiarization began in earnest. I have since added a rudder trim tab and
>an aileron trim tab that neutralize the stick and rudder pressures. There
>is, however, an elevator trim issue.
>
>The Mark III has an elevator trim control that spring loads the elevator
>control. This trim runs out of authority when the engine RPM exceeds 5000.
>
>Past discussions on the list have hypotheses the angle of the crankshaft
>relative to the wings as impacting the pitch control of the plane.
>Currently the forward engine mounts have a 5/8 inch bushing that increases
>the pitch angle of the engine. The engine is still pitched at an angle
>lower than the bottom of the wing (approximately 5 degrees more or less).
>
>Does anybody on the list have any experience with the engine pitch impact
>on the elevator trim authority?
>
>By the way the prop is a 68 inch IVO standard, pitched at 14 degrees
>relative to the prop disk. It allows the engine to turn 5600 RPM at full
>throttle during climb out and does not redline in level flight. The ASI
>says that I am doing over 70 mph and less than 75(I calibrated the ASI
>statically and discovered it read about 5 mph low)
>
>Is this about the expected performance or should I look for additional
>errors in the pitot system?
>
>I want to thank J Hauck and T Swartz for the info they provided over the
>construction years.
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> stop all my mail thanks ron
Ron/Gang:
Sorry. Doesn't work that way. Take a look at the
bottom of any Kolb List email and find the url for
"subscribe/unsubscribe". Then go through that
procedure.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
If you go to the Ivo Prop home page and click on their link to the
ultralight prop, it shows a cutaway with the bolts having flat washers
under the bolt heads and no nuts on the threaded ends sticking out the back
side of the hub.
I have metric lock nuts on my threaded bolt ends where they stick out.
On my previous Ivo Prop, I drilled the bolt heads and safety wired them.
Or use Locktite.
Or email Ivo Prop and ask them?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 09:20 PM 7/7/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
>
> Gang,
> After trying to find out if I needed nuts for my Ivo prop ,I realized that
>the 6 washers In the bag from Ivo were flat washers. Should I be using Lock
>washers? Im wondering if I got the bag mixed up or something. If I dont use
>lock washers what will keep the bolts on?
>
> Ed (in Houston)
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Got a friend looking for a Firestar, preferably early model, lightweight.
Anybody know of a good one east of the Mississippi?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
Group,
Anyone have a problem with prop clearance on their firefly. I cannot
install my ivo 2- blade where the blades are horizontal to the ground. The way
things, are the only way I can install the prop is straight up & down. I cant
put it in the trailer like that. Do I have to space it up higher? I installed
the 447 per Kolb Manual , Two washers under engine & three washers under 1/4
" alum. plate
Ed (in Houston)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>snip
The Mark III has an elevator trim control that spring loads the elevator
> control. This trim runs out of authority when the engine RPM exceeds
5000.
If I understand the problem and question correctly it is one that I
questioned a year or two ago concerning Ron Carroll's Mark III. My question
to the list concerned the fact that when Ron applied full power to his bird
it required full up elevator to maintain level flight. When posed to the
list the answer that I got was that we were too fat. Wellllllll I couldn't
really deny that I could stand to lose a bit of weight, and I have, but it
was over simplification of the problem. I believed then, and still do for
that matter, that engine thrust angle had more to do with the problem than
weight. Well, I now own a Mark III of my own and I am happy to say that when
ever I apply full throttle it climbs, rather than dives for the ground, no
matter how much weight we have in it. With just me, the trim for the
elevator is only up a couple of notches. It of course requires more with
more weight, but the man is just talking about himself in the plane and
running out of trim at 5000 rpm's. Perhaps there is something else causing
his trim control problem other than the angle that his engine is mounted,
but if it was me I think that is one of the first places I would look.
Oh by the way that profile picture of me on Lar's web page was a year old
and 35 lbs ago. (just in case you were wondering)
Hopefully we can find an answer for this man, because the one that Ron
had was not any fun to fly. I suspect that most of us would not enjoy flying
this one very much either.
Larry in Oregon
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim O'Day" <oday@cableone.net>
If any of you have pictures of a "lexan" gap seal installed on a FSII I
would love to see them. I have a BRS Soft Pack leading edge installation, I
am in the process of building a lexan gap seal and would like to see how
others have done this work.
Thank you.
Jim O'Day
oday@cableone.net
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Restate the problem. What exactly is wrong? Cannot picture it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 10:32 PM 7/7/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
>
> Group,
>
> Anyone have a problem with prop clearance on their firefly. I cannot
>install my ivo 2- blade where the blades are horizontal to the ground. The
>way
>things, are the only way I can install the prop is straight up & down. I cant
>put it in the trailer like that. Do I have to space it up higher? I
>installed
>the 447 per Kolb Manual , Two washers under engine & three washers under 1/4
>" alum. plate
>
> Ed (in Houston)
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 7/7/03 9:43:46 PM Central Standard Time,
rwpike@charter.net writes:
<<
Restate the problem. What exactly is wrong? Cannot picture it.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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>>
Snip
Richard,
Apparently my Engine is mounted too low but I think I have installed it as
per Kolb.
My problem is----- With the wings folded the prop can not be installed
because there is not enough room to clear the wings. If I cant keep the prop
horizontal when folding it will be too tall to put in my enclosed trailer.
Ed (in Houston)
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Washers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> If I cant keep the prop
> horizontal when folding it will be too tall to put in my enclosed trailer.
>
> Ed (in Houston)
Ed/All:
Get a 3 blade prop!
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II For Sale |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ksanrb" <ksanrb@netzero.net>
I have some more (about 8) if you would like to have them sent to you. I
took out my SLR, shot a roll of film, took them over for one hour
processing, scanned them in to digital .jpg format. Where did you live
again? You must be an expert on the construction of a Firestar by now.
Kenny Broste
Tucson, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Harrison" <firestarii@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II For Sale
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrison" <firestarii@hotmail.com>
>
> Thank you for the reply and the pictures. I will take a good look at them.
> Sure wish AZ were closer! Although I did buy some Firestar parts in Maine
> one time, that is a pretty serious drive.
>
> I have built 2 Firestar II's, one from the old Kolb and one from the new
> Kolb. I currently have a 1/2 share in a Firestar I, or an original
Firestar.
> It has a Rotax 377. It flies well but I prefer the roominess of the
Firestar
> II and the fact that I could put my 503 on it. I have a 503 DCDCDI that I
am
> rebuilding at the moment.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> >From: "ksanrb" <ksanrb@netzero.net>
> >Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> >To: "Kolb List" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar II For Sale
> >Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:40:13 -0700
> >
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ksanrb" <ksanrb@netzero.net>
> >
> >Firestar II airframe completely assembled. Frame covered and Poly-spray,
> >Poly-tone paint applied, no instruments or engine.
> >$6000. Deteriorating health and financial condition reason for sale.
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
> Snip
>
> Richard,
>
> Apparently my Engine is mounted too low but I think I have installed it
as
> per Kolb.
> My problem is----- With the wings folded the prop can not be
installed
> because there is not enough room to clear the wings. If I cant keep the
prop
> horizontal when folding it will be too tall to put in my enclosed trailer.
>
> Ed (in Houston)
>
Have you tried folding the ailerons with the counter balance tubes sticking
up? I attempted to store my firestar in the trailer with the ailerons
sticking up and found that it applied a lot of pressure to the prop. Folded
the ailerons to the inside of the wings and had a inch or so of clearance.
Larry in Oregon
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