---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/07/03: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:58 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/06/03 (Jeremy Casey) 2. 07:23 AM - Re: Firestar II For Sale (Bruce Harrison) 3. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/06/03 (John Hauck) 4. 10:20 AM - Kolbs are Different (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM) 5. 12:36 PM - Re: Kolbs are Different (GeoR38@aol.com) 6. 03:53 PM - Re: Kolbs are Different (Richard Harris) 7. 04:25 PM - Aero-News Network (Bob Bean) 8. 05:16 PM - Re: Kolbs are Different (ronnie wehba) 9. 06:14 PM - address (ronnie wehba) 10. 06:20 PM - Re: Prop Washers (DAquaNut@aol.com) 11. 06:27 PM - First flights of N232S (Ron Hoyt) 12. 06:58 PM - Re: Prop Washers () 13. 07:01 PM - Re: First flights of N232S () 14. 07:06 PM - Re: Prop Washers (John Hauck) 15. 07:13 PM - to much mail (ron mashburn) 16. 07:13 PM - Re: First flights of N232S (John Hauck) 17. 07:20 PM - rained out () 18. 07:22 PM - Re: Prop Washers (DAquaNut@aol.com) 19. 07:22 PM - Re: First flights of N232S (Richard Pike) 20. 07:25 PM - Re: to much mail (John Hauck) 21. 07:28 PM - Re: Prop Washers (Richard Pike) 22. 07:30 PM - Firestar for sale? (Richard Pike) 23. 07:33 PM - Re: Prop Washers (DAquaNut@aol.com) 24. 08:25 PM - Re: First flights of N232S (Larry Cottrell) 25. 08:37 PM - Lexan Gap Seal (Jim O'Day) 26. 08:43 PM - Re: Prop Washers (Richard Pike) 27. 08:57 PM - Re: Prop Washers (DAquaNut@aol.com) 28. 09:07 PM - Re: Prop Washers (John Hauck) 29. 09:24 PM - Re: Firestar II For Sale (ksanrb) 30. 09:43 PM - Re: Prop Washers (Larry Cottrell) 31. 10:17 PM - Re: to much mail (jerb) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:30 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/06/03 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jeremy Casey" Take care, john h PS: The announcement increasing TBO on the 912/912S to 1,500 hours sure made me feel good. If us users can keep them together for a while longer, Rotax may increase to 2,000 hours. I know of one 912 that has probably busted 2,000 hours by now, Don Huff, La Grange, GA. His 912 gets little rest as he loves to fly his RANS S7, I think. DO NOT ARCHIVE John, Flew awhile with Don last night, over to Thomaston, Ga. (flew around in "The Bowl"---a area about 2 miles across where the Pine Mountain Ridge forms a bowl for lack of a better term that is unbroken except for where the Flint River meanders in and out...there is also some kind of deer farm ("rein"deer I believe...a couple of herds of them...)) Anyway he is knocking on 2100 hours now on his 80hp 912. If you don't want to see a guy smile, don't ask him about his motor. He had a couple of A&P buddies got him scared about his gearbox (Lycoming guys that think all motors have to be direct drive...) a couple of month back. He pulled it off and took it to a friends shop with a press and broke it apart. Gears looked brand new...no determinable wear, and the dogs were picture perfect. Shimmed it up tight, replaced nothing and put it back on... Talked to Eric Tucker the Rotax guy and Eric said they designed the gearbox for something like 3800 hour lifetime. Don is happy with his "mid-life" engine... ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:15 AM PST US From: "Bruce Harrison" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II For Sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrison" Thank you for the reply and the pictures. I will take a good look at them. Sure wish AZ were closer! Although I did buy some Firestar parts in Maine one time, that is a pretty serious drive. I have built 2 Firestar II's, one from the old Kolb and one from the new Kolb. I currently have a 1/2 share in a Firestar I, or an original Firestar. It has a Rotax 377. It flies well but I prefer the roominess of the Firestar II and the fact that I could put my 503 on it. I have a 503 DCDCDI that I am rebuilding at the moment. Thanks. >From: "ksanrb" >Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com >To: "Kolb List" >Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar II For Sale >Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:40:13 -0700 > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ksanrb" > >Firestar II airframe completely assembled. Frame covered and Poly-spray, >Poly-tone paint applied, no instruments or engine. >$6000. Deteriorating health and financial condition reason for sale. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:21 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 07/06/03 --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Anyway he is knocking on 2100 hours now on his 80hp 912. Jeremy Jeremy/All: Next time you see Don Huff, ask him what kind of oil, fuel, maintenance has used during the life of his 912. I am sure the 912 guys on the Kolb List would be as interested as I am. Basically, maintenance on the 912 is oil/filter change every 100 hours, spark plugs every 200 hours, fuel filter and air filter as required. Additional maintenance required for minor replacement of carb parts, i.e., floats, float needles and related parts (wear of brass parts due to vibration). The 912 series engine cost more initially, but pay for themselves in reliability, endurance, and low maintenance in the long run. When someone comes up with a better engine/gearbox combo for a cheaper price, I'll buy it. john h ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:59 AM PST US From: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM Subject: Kolb-List: Kolbs are Different --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM Kolb Friends - Here's a short story I want to share: I flew my Mark-III one morning last week. It was very early. I only flew for a half hour - did 3 touch & go landings, but I had the airport all to myself (no other traffic). Afterwards, as I was rolling my plane back into the hangar, a gentleman drove up in his car and got out to meet me. He told me he lived a half-mile from the airport, had seen me flying earlier, and he decided to drive to the airport to see my airplane I was surprised to hear that he would go thru the trouble to drive out to the airport just to see one airplane that was flying around the pattern. Especially since he was just a local resident and not a fellow airport user. After all, he sees airplanes flying around this area all the time. This was his answer: "You're plane was different from what I see everyday. And I was amazed at its climbing ability - looked like you were going almost straight up. Yours looked like a really fun kind of airplane, and I just wanted to see your plane and meet you." Then he told me it was a nice-looking airplane. I was humbled, and honored. Although I'm *only* seeing 700 fpm climb rate, that must be lots more than the Pipers and Cessnas are doing out here at this 6200 foot elevation airport, and the locals must notice. That made my day! I guess some people DO notice that our planes are not ordinary! Dennis Kirby Mark-III, Verner-powered Cedar Crest, NM do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:50 PM PST US From: GeoR38@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolbs are Different --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 07/07/2003 1:21:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil writes: > Kolb Friends - > > Here's a short story I want to share: > > I flew my Mark-III one morning last week. It was very early. I only flew > for a half hour - did 3 touch &go landings, but I had the airport all to > myself (no other traffic). Afterwards, as I was rolling my plane back into > the hangar, a gentleman drove up in his car and got out to meet me. He told > me he lived a half-mile from the airport, had seen me flying earlier, and he > decided to drive to the airport to see my airplane > > I was surprised to hear that he would go thru the trouble to drive out to > the airport just to see one airplane that was flying around the pattern. > Especially since he was just a local resident and not a fellow airport user. > After all, he sees airplanes flying around this area all the time. This was > his answer: > > "You're plane was different from what I see everyday. And I was amazed at > its climbing ability - looked like you were going almost straight up. Yours > looked like a really fun kind of airplane, and I just wanted to see your > plane and meet you." > > Then he told me it was a nice-looking airplane. > > I was humbled, and honored. Although I'm *only* seeing 700 fpm climb rate, > that must be lots more than the Pipers and Cessnas are doing out here at > this 6200 foot elevation airport, and the locals must notice. That made my > day! > > I guess some people DO notice that our planes are not ordinary! > > Dennis Kirby > Mark-III, Verner-powered > Cedar Crest, NM > > do not archive > What a great story, Dennis, ....glad you shared it with us! George Randolph Firestar driver from Akron, Oh....home of Lebron James....rich kid ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:51 PM PST US From: "Richard Harris" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolbs are Different --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris" Dennis, That's a good story. I have a lot of friends that fly GA aircraft, When any of them go flying with me, their reaction is always the same about the climb rate and the deck angle during climb out. We really do fly an amazing airplane. Thanks Homer.... Richard Harris MK3 912 RH You wrote: Subject: Kolb-List: Kolbs are Different > Here's a short story I want to share: > I guess some people DO notice that our planes are not ordinary! > > Dennis Kirby > Mark-III, Verner-powered > Cedar Crest, NM > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:11 PM PST US From: Bob Bean Subject: Kolb-List: Aero-News Network --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean Ultrastar owners, check this out. 1853? looks sorta familiardoesn't it? do not archive http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=2dd0aeb5-4f53-4a49-a67b-454929008172& ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:26 PM PST US From: "ronnie wehba" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolbs are Different BAYES_20, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" who is lebron james? ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolbs are Different > --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com > > In a message dated 07/07/2003 1:21:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil writes: > > > Kolb Friends - > > > > Here's a short story I want to share: > > > > I flew my Mark-III one morning last week. It was very early. I only flew > > for a half hour - did 3 touch &go landings, but I had the airport all to > > myself (no other traffic). Afterwards, as I was rolling my plane back into > > the hangar, a gentleman drove up in his car and got out to meet me. He told > > me he lived a half-mile from the airport, had seen me flying earlier, and he > > decided to drive to the airport to see my airplane > > > > I was surprised to hear that he would go thru the trouble to drive out to > > the airport just to see one airplane that was flying around the pattern. > > Especially since he was just a local resident and not a fellow airport user. > > After all, he sees airplanes flying around this area all the time. This was > > his answer: > > > > "You're plane was different from what I see everyday. And I was amazed at > > its climbing ability - looked like you were going almost straight up. Yours > > looked like a really fun kind of airplane, and I just wanted to see your > > plane and meet you." > > > > Then he told me it was a nice-looking airplane. > > > > I was humbled, and honored. Although I'm *only* seeing 700 fpm climb rate, > > that must be lots more than the Pipers and Cessnas are doing out here at > > this 6200 foot elevation airport, and the locals must notice. That made my > > day! > > > > I guess some people DO notice that our planes are not ordinary! > > > > Dennis Kirby > > Mark-III, Verner-powered > > Cedar Crest, NM > > > > do not archive > > > > What a great story, Dennis, ....glad you shared it with us! > > George Randolph > Firestar driver from Akron, Oh....home of Lebron James....rich kid > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:37 PM PST US From: "ronnie wehba" Subject: Kolb-List: address DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12, HTML_60_70, HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_FONT_COLOR_RED, HTML_FONT_FACE_ODD) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" anyone know how to find a AOL email address? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:57 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Washers --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com Gang, After trying to find out if I needed nuts for my Ivo prop ,I realized that the 6 washers In the bag from Ivo were flat washers. Should I be using Lock washers? Im wondering if I got the bag mixed up or something. If I dont use lock washers what will keep the bolts on? Ed (in Houston) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:51 PM PST US From: Ron Hoyt Subject: Kolb-List: First flights of N232S --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron Hoyt N232S is a Mark III classic with a 912, a BRS and a night VFR instrument suit. I have about 6 hr on the bird to date. The first flight occurred last Oct. on a dismal evening and verified it was airworthy with 3 landings. My first flight bent the right landing gear by stalling it about 4 ft above the runway. The repairs were completed this spring and flight familiarization began in earnest. I have since added a rudder trim tab and an aileron trim tab that neutralize the stick and rudder pressures. There is, however, an elevator trim issue. The Mark III has an elevator trim control that spring loads the elevator control. This trim runs out of authority when the engine RPM exceeds 5000. Past discussions on the list have hypotheses the angle of the crankshaft relative to the wings as impacting the pitch control of the plane. Currently the forward engine mounts have a 5/8 inch bushing that increases the pitch angle of the engine. The engine is still pitched at an angle lower than the bottom of the wing (approximately 5 degrees more or less). Does anybody on the list have any experience with the engine pitch impact on the elevator trim authority? By the way the prop is a 68 inch IVO standard, pitched at 14 degrees relative to the prop disk. It allows the engine to turn 5600 RPM at full throttle during climb out and does not redline in level flight. The ASI says that I am doing over 70 mph and less than 75(I calibrated the ASI statically and discovered it read about 5 mph low) Is this about the expected performance or should I look for additional errors in the pitot system? I want to thank J Hauck and T Swartz for the info they provided over the construction years. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:17 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Washers --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ed, If the bolts are long enough buy some metric nylock nuts and put them on the back side of the prop flange to jam the prop bolts, I see many Ivo props flying with just the bolts threaded through the prop flange, but I always used the jam nuts to lock mine in place. Install em after the prop is torqued to 150 inch pounds and make sure to put a wrench on the prop bolts so they don't back out when the nut is tightened. Denny Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Washers > --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com > > > Gang, > After trying to find out if I needed nuts for my Ivo prop ,I realized that > the 6 washers In the bag from Ivo were flat washers. Should I be using Lock > washers? Im wondering if I got the bag mixed up or something. If I dont use > lock washers what will keep the bolts on? > > Ed (in Houston) > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:50 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First flights of N232S --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron, As Ionly have one short flight on my Mk-3 classic, I am not able to offer you any advice on curing your trim problem, but I do want to say congratulations on your completion of your bird. Denny Rowe do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Hoyt Subject: Kolb-List: First flights of N232S > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron Hoyt > > N232S is a Mark III classic with a 912, a BRS and a night VFR instrument suit. > > I have about 6 hr on the bird to date. The first flight occurred last Oct. > on a dismal evening and verified it was airworthy with 3 landings. > > My first flight bent the right landing gear by stalling it about 4 ft above > the runway. The repairs were completed this spring and flight > familiarization began in earnest. I have since added a rudder trim tab and > an aileron trim tab that neutralize the stick and rudder pressures. There > is, however, an elevator trim issue. > > The Mark III has an elevator trim control that spring loads the elevator > control. This trim runs out of authority when the engine RPM exceeds 5000. > > Past discussions on the list have hypotheses the angle of the crankshaft > relative to the wings as impacting the pitch control of the plane. > Currently the forward engine mounts have a 5/8 inch bushing that increases > the pitch angle of the engine. The engine is still pitched at an angle > lower than the bottom of the wing (approximately 5 degrees more or less). > > Does anybody on the list have any experience with the engine pitch impact > on the elevator trim authority? > > By the way the prop is a 68 inch IVO standard, pitched at 14 degrees > relative to the prop disk. It allows the engine to turn 5600 RPM at full > throttle during climb out and does not redline in level flight. The ASI > says that I am doing over 70 mph and less than 75(I calibrated the ASI > statically and discovered it read about 5 mph low) > > Is this about the expected performance or should I look for additional > errors in the pitot system? > > I want to thank J Hauck and T Swartz for the info they provided over the > construction years. > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:06 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Washers --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > If I dont use > lock washers what will keep the bolts on? > > Ed (in Houston) Ed/All: You can drill and safety the bolt heads, or you can secure the bolts with nyloc nuts. Don't think you want to use lock washers on your prop. In fact, I don't know of any place on the airframe that would use them. john h ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:44 PM PST US From: ron mashburn Subject: Kolb-List: to much mail --> Kolb-List message posted by: ron mashburn stop all my mail thanks ron --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:56 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First flights of N232S --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Hi Ron/All: > The Mark III has an elevator trim control that spring loads the elevator > control. This trim runs out of authority when the engine RPM exceeds 5000. Add an additional spring to your pitch trim. That should take care of that problem. > Does anybody on the list have any experience with the engine pitch impact > on the elevator trim authority? On my MK III the above had no effect on pitch. > By the way the prop is a 68 inch IVO standard, pitched at 14 degrees > relative to the prop disk. It allows the engine to turn 5600 RPM at full > throttle during climb out and does not redline in level flight. I believe you are trying to prop to a 5,800 rpm red line, which is only good for 5 minutes. Sorta like military power. Using a ground adjustable prop, I prop for 5,500 rpm, WOT, straight and level flight. This gives me my best climb and cruise. To get 5,500 rpm with the Warp Drive, I set static rpm at 5,300 to 5,400 rpm. With brakes locked and WOT the engine will turn 5,400 rpm. As soon as, or shortly thereafter, when the prop starts getting a little cleaner air, she drops down to 5,300 rpm for take off and climb out. > I want to thank J Hauck and T Swartz for the info they provided over the > construction years. You are more than welcome for the info. Hope you have a successful and happy journey with your MK III. john h ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:06 PM PST US From: Subject: Kolb-List: rained out --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kolbers, Went out to the airport tonight to repitch the Powerfin and hoped to add to the flight time on my Mk-3. No such luck, rain and wind here in South-Wetnern PA just keeps coming. Oh well, it gave me plenty of time to adjust the prop and check things over real good. My next chance to get airborne will be Wednesday morning if the weather cooperates. Denny Rowe do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:25 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Washers --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com In a message dated 7/7/03 8:06:36 PM Central Standard Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: << > If I dont use > lock washers what will keep the bolts on? > > Ed (in Houston) Ed/All: You can drill and safety the bolt heads, or you can secure the bolts with nyloc nuts. Don't think you want to use lock washers on your prop. In fact, I don't know of any place on the airframe that would use them. john h >> Snip John H/ Others, Thanks ,I will either drill or use nylocks. Ed (in Houston) DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:37 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First flights of N232S --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Something is not right. (But you already knew that...) With a 582, a lot of power tends to hold the nose down a bit, throttling back a lot tends to let the nose rise a little, but just barely enough to notice. It is normal on mine to have the elevator trim fully relaxed when flying solo. Here's my theory: If the engine thrust in a MKIII type airplane is causing a nose down situation, you correct it by getting the wing at a higher angle of attack relative to the propeller, by lowering the front of the engine, or raising the rear of the engine. Visualize what would happen if you radically changed your engines thrust vector: visualize the thrust vector above the wing and parallel to it, (front of engine high, rear low) and you can see how it would be like a lever trying to create an outside loop. Now visualize the front of the engine real low and the back real high: the thrust vector is now going through the wing behind the leading edge, and the airplane wants to nose up and do an inside loop. Now take that visualization and modify it to a more reasonable level. Since your problem is apparently at the nosing over end of the spectrum, I think if I was in your situation, I would try it without the 5/8" bushing under the front mounts and see if that helps. If it helps some but not enough, try 1/8" under the rear mounts and see what happens. I would really expect that to make it get better. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Do Not Archive At 09:12 PM 7/7/03 +0200, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ron Hoyt > >N232S is a Mark III classic with a 912, a BRS and a night VFR instrument suit. > >I have about 6 hr on the bird to date. The first flight occurred last Oct. >on a dismal evening and verified it was airworthy with 3 landings. > >My first flight bent the right landing gear by stalling it about 4 ft above >the runway. The repairs were completed this spring and flight >familiarization began in earnest. I have since added a rudder trim tab and >an aileron trim tab that neutralize the stick and rudder pressures. There >is, however, an elevator trim issue. > >The Mark III has an elevator trim control that spring loads the elevator >control. This trim runs out of authority when the engine RPM exceeds 5000. > >Past discussions on the list have hypotheses the angle of the crankshaft >relative to the wings as impacting the pitch control of the plane. >Currently the forward engine mounts have a 5/8 inch bushing that increases >the pitch angle of the engine. The engine is still pitched at an angle >lower than the bottom of the wing (approximately 5 degrees more or less). > >Does anybody on the list have any experience with the engine pitch impact >on the elevator trim authority? > >By the way the prop is a 68 inch IVO standard, pitched at 14 degrees >relative to the prop disk. It allows the engine to turn 5600 RPM at full >throttle during climb out and does not redline in level flight. The ASI >says that I am doing over 70 mph and less than 75(I calibrated the ASI >statically and discovered it read about 5 mph low) > >Is this about the expected performance or should I look for additional >errors in the pitot system? > >I want to thank J Hauck and T Swartz for the info they provided over the >construction years. > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:04 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: to much mail --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > stop all my mail thanks ron Ron/Gang: Sorry. Doesn't work that way. Take a look at the bottom of any Kolb List email and find the url for "subscribe/unsubscribe". Then go through that procedure. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:53 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Washers --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike If you go to the Ivo Prop home page and click on their link to the ultralight prop, it shows a cutaway with the bolts having flat washers under the bolt heads and no nuts on the threaded ends sticking out the back side of the hub. I have metric lock nuts on my threaded bolt ends where they stick out. On my previous Ivo Prop, I drilled the bolt heads and safety wired them. Or use Locktite. Or email Ivo Prop and ask them? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Do Not Archive At 09:20 PM 7/7/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com > > > Gang, > After trying to find out if I needed nuts for my Ivo prop ,I realized that >the 6 washers In the bag from Ivo were flat washers. Should I be using Lock >washers? Im wondering if I got the bag mixed up or something. If I dont use >lock washers what will keep the bolts on? > > Ed (in Houston) > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:25 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar for sale? --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Got a friend looking for a Firestar, preferably early model, lightweight. Anybody know of a good one east of the Mississippi? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:25 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Washers --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com Group, Anyone have a problem with prop clearance on their firefly. I cannot install my ivo 2- blade where the blades are horizontal to the ground. The way things, are the only way I can install the prop is straight up & down. I cant put it in the trailer like that. Do I have to space it up higher? I installed the 447 per Kolb Manual , Two washers under engine & three washers under 1/4 " alum. plate Ed (in Houston) ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:37 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: First flights of N232S --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" >snip The Mark III has an elevator trim control that spring loads the elevator > control. This trim runs out of authority when the engine RPM exceeds 5000. If I understand the problem and question correctly it is one that I questioned a year or two ago concerning Ron Carroll's Mark III. My question to the list concerned the fact that when Ron applied full power to his bird it required full up elevator to maintain level flight. When posed to the list the answer that I got was that we were too fat. Wellllllll I couldn't really deny that I could stand to lose a bit of weight, and I have, but it was over simplification of the problem. I believed then, and still do for that matter, that engine thrust angle had more to do with the problem than weight. Well, I now own a Mark III of my own and I am happy to say that when ever I apply full throttle it climbs, rather than dives for the ground, no matter how much weight we have in it. With just me, the trim for the elevator is only up a couple of notches. It of course requires more with more weight, but the man is just talking about himself in the plane and running out of trim at 5000 rpm's. Perhaps there is something else causing his trim control problem other than the angle that his engine is mounted, but if it was me I think that is one of the first places I would look. Oh by the way that profile picture of me on Lar's web page was a year old and 35 lbs ago. (just in case you were wondering) Hopefully we can find an answer for this man, because the one that Ron had was not any fun to fly. I suspect that most of us would not enjoy flying this one very much either. Larry in Oregon do not archive! ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:50 PM PST US From: "Jim O'Day" Subject: Kolb-List: Lexan Gap Seal --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim O'Day" If any of you have pictures of a "lexan" gap seal installed on a FSII I would love to see them. I have a BRS Soft Pack leading edge installation, I am in the process of building a lexan gap seal and would like to see how others have done this work. Thank you. Jim O'Day oday@cableone.net DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:19 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Washers --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Restate the problem. What exactly is wrong? Cannot picture it. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Do Not Archive At 10:32 PM 7/7/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com > > > Group, > > Anyone have a problem with prop clearance on their firefly. I cannot >install my ivo 2- blade where the blades are horizontal to the ground. The >way >things, are the only way I can install the prop is straight up & down. I cant >put it in the trailer like that. Do I have to space it up higher? I >installed >the 447 per Kolb Manual , Two washers under engine & three washers under 1/4 >" alum. plate > > Ed (in Houston) > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:38 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Washers --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com In a message dated 7/7/03 9:43:46 PM Central Standard Time, rwpike@charter.net writes: << Restate the problem. What exactly is wrong? Cannot picture it. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Do Not Archive >> Snip Richard, Apparently my Engine is mounted too low but I think I have installed it as per Kolb. My problem is----- With the wings folded the prop can not be installed because there is not enough room to clear the wings. If I cant keep the prop horizontal when folding it will be too tall to put in my enclosed trailer. Ed (in Houston) ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:07:11 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Washers --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > If I cant keep the prop > horizontal when folding it will be too tall to put in my enclosed trailer. > > Ed (in Houston) Ed/All: Get a 3 blade prop! john h ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:29 PM PST US From: "ksanrb" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II For Sale --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ksanrb" I have some more (about 8) if you would like to have them sent to you. I took out my SLR, shot a roll of film, took them over for one hour processing, scanned them in to digital .jpg format. Where did you live again? You must be an expert on the construction of a Firestar by now. Kenny Broste Tucson, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Harrison" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II For Sale > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce Harrison" > > Thank you for the reply and the pictures. I will take a good look at them. > Sure wish AZ were closer! Although I did buy some Firestar parts in Maine > one time, that is a pretty serious drive. > > I have built 2 Firestar II's, one from the old Kolb and one from the new > Kolb. I currently have a 1/2 share in a Firestar I, or an original Firestar. > It has a Rotax 377. It flies well but I prefer the roominess of the Firestar > II and the fact that I could put my 503 on it. I have a 503 DCDCDI that I am > rebuilding at the moment. > > Thanks. > > > >From: "ksanrb" > >Reply-To: kolb-list@matronics.com > >To: "Kolb List" > >Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar II For Sale > >Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:40:13 -0700 > > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ksanrb" > > > >Firestar II airframe completely assembled. Frame covered and Poly-spray, > >Poly-tone paint applied, no instruments or engine. > >$6000. Deteriorating health and financial condition reason for sale. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:09 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Washers --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" > Snip > > Richard, > > Apparently my Engine is mounted too low but I think I have installed it as > per Kolb. > My problem is----- With the wings folded the prop can not be installed > because there is not enough room to clear the wings. If I cant keep the prop > horizontal when folding it will be too tall to put in my enclosed trailer. > > Ed (in Houston) > Have you tried folding the ailerons with the counter balance tubes sticking up? I attempted to store my firestar in the trailer with the ailerons sticking up and found that it applied a lot of pressure to the prop. Folded the ailerons to the inside of the wings and had a inch or so of clearance. Larry in Oregon do not archive! ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:26 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: to much mail --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb To unsubscribe, you will need to complete the process much like you did to subscribe. At the end of most messages are links for various functions - one of them is to unsubscribe, double click on that link. It will take you to the unsubscribe process, just follow the directions. This is a automated process. Below is a copy of the link just in case there isn't one appended to the bottom of this message. jerb http://www.matronics.com/subscription At 07:13 PM 7/7/03 -0700, you wrote: >ron mashburn