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1. 03:45 AM - Re: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT (johnjung@compusenior.com)
2. 04:54 AM - Re: pod for ultrastar (John Anderson)
3. 08:07 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (Larry Bourne)
4. 08:07 AM - Re: Coolant Temperature High (Larry Bourne)
5. 08:07 AM - Re: Pitch trim limitation resolved (Larry Bourne)
6. 08:07 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (Larry Bourne)
7. 08:34 AM - Re: Coolant Temperature High (Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious)
8. 08:40 AM - Re: Coolant Temperature High (Richard Pike)
9. 08:40 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (Cy Galley)
10. 09:38 AM - Re: Coolant Temperature High (Don Gherardini)
11. 10:25 AM - Another .8hrs on N616DR ()
12. 10:34 AM - Re: Coolant Temperature High (Jack & Louise Hart)
13. 10:35 AM - Re: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
14. 01:30 PM - WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT (Jim Ballenger)
15. 01:38 PM - Re: Pitch trim limitation resolved (Christopher J Armstrong)
16. 02:07 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (Rick & Martha Neilsen)
17. 02:29 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (John Hauck)
18. 03:55 PM - Re: Coolant Temperature High (Larry Cottrell)
19. 05:24 PM - Re: Coolant Temperature High (Jack & Louise Hart)
20. 09:03 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (Don Gherardini)
21. 09:19 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Re: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "johnjung@compusenior.com" <johnjung@compusenior.com>
Jim and Group,
I did the alignment of my Firestar by myself over a two day period. The
first day I got everything set up, giving it all a lot of thought and
triple checking everything. Then I slept on it and gave it some more
thought to get comfortable with it. Then, I did the drilling. The only
difficult part was to understand it all, it wasn't difficult to do the
work. It was time consuming, though.
Why didn't I ask any of my friends for help? Because that way I wasn't
rushed to get it done while they were there. I moved fast on almost the
entire project, the wing alignment was one thing that I moved slow on.
When I test flew the plane and there were no surprises, I was glad that
I had taken the time to get the alignment right.
I watched someone else do his alignment in about an hour. He just made
sure that the incidence was about the same from on side to the other.
His Mark III flew well. Like someone else said, the main thing is to
make both wings the same.
John Jung
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| Subject: | Re: pod for ultrastar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Anderson" <janderson3@nc.rr.com>
IMO the best looking pod was done by KZ Zagatis (?).
He used something like a mx pod and cut it down. I don't have a picture do
a search on KZ or on ZSTAR. I do have his plans for the windscreen if you
are interested........
----- Original Message -----
From: "woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pod for ultrastar
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: woody <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> At 08:15 AM 7/10/03 -0400, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Daniel Walter" <worrybear@paonline.com>
> >
> >Any body have a source for a nice looking pilot pod for an old Ultrastar,
> >any sugestions would be appreciated. thanks ,Dan
>
>
> Carve your own. Use blue styrofoam from the builders supply and then
> fiberglass over it with "west System" or similar epoxy based resin. Draw
it
> out first in all views and then build it exactly to your drawings. If it
> doesn't look quite right after that then you can alter it. It is easier to
> sand foam than epoxy so get it right before you glass it. An example of
> this can be found in photo share with the photos of my thunderbird.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2003 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I would surely like a ride in that nice Kolbra, so will make an effort to
make it to one of those places on the specified day. So far, I'm more or
less on my planned itinerary. I think. Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson"
<kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
>
> I will begin this next trip when I leave Arlington, TX on July 25 so I am
posting the following information for all Kolb enthusiasts that might want
to join in the fun.
>
> I will over-night at the Mackinac County Airport (83D), St Ignace,
Michigan on July 27. I will be giving rides in the Kolbra at Mackinac
County airport (83D) after 3:00pm.
>
> July 28 will be spent touring the eastern half of the Upper Peninsula with
an arrival at
> - KIMT, Ford Airport, Iron Mountain/Kingsford, Michigan OR
> - Scott Trask's airfield near Iron Mountain (N45* 53.478 W088* 04.598 )
> on July 28 just before 3:00pm.
>
> I am planning on spending my last night in Michigan at either:
> - KIMT, Ford Airport, Iron Mountain/Kingsford, Michigan OR
> - Scott Trask's airfield.
>
> I will fly into Oshkosh the morning of the 29th with a planned arrival
time of 0900 hours.
>
> I will be giving rides in the Kolbra at Mackinac County airport (83D)
after 3:00pm on July 27th and at Iron Mountain on July 28th after 3:00pm.
>
>
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 396 hours
> http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
>
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant Temperature High |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I realize I'm not a 2 stroke person, but I do have a
question................ It sounds like you're worried about 165 - 175
deg. coolant temps. Seems to me that plain water boils at 212 F. at MSL,
and with coolant added, that's up to about 230 F. or so. Add a pressure
cap, and it goes up some more, even with altitude figured in. Why the
concern about 175 F. temperatures ?? Mystified Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <SGreenpg@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature High
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 7/12/03 11:08:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> bbrocious@hotmail.com writes:
>
> > I even carried my first passenger, my dad. I did have the coolant temp
hit
> > the high mark I set on my EIS when I was flying with my dad. It only
went to
> > 175 degrees. I backed off the throttle a bit and the light went out as
the
> > temp dropped. I'm not sure why the coolant temp was an issue unless the
oil
> > tank is blocking too much of the radiator. Any thoughts?
> >
>
> Bob,
> I am not sure what engine/radiator combination you have but it sounds a
lot
> like the problem I had using a 582 with twin radiators and carrying a
> passenger. When the temperature was in the 90s and a passenger in the
right seat I
> would have to constantly play the throttle to keep the temp in range.
>
> I made air scoops to mount to the radiators. I made one for the right
side
> (carb. side) first and flew with it for a while and noticed no measurable
> difference. The scoop for the exhaust side was a little more complicated
because
> the air flowing across the 1100 degree exhaust manifold needed to be
directed
> away from the radiator yet still capture sufficient air to cool the
radiator. I
> will go ahead and leave the address to a web page I have just started
putting
> together. I will add pictures of the scoops sometime today so you can
check
> it later this evening to see the pictures.
>
> <A
HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/sgreenpg/58SGKOLB.html">http://hometown.aol.co
m/sgreenpg/58SGKOLB.html
>
> Steven Green
> Mark III 582
>
> I almost forgot to mention that the air scoop on the exhaust side made an
8
> - 10 degree difference in coolant temperature. Hot day + passenger 165 -
> 167 degree coolant temp.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pitch trim limitation resolved |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Hmmmm................might not be that simple. While flying with Larry
Cottrell last week (??) (week before ??) (gee, time goes fast when you're
having fun) we were discussing just this topic while in flight, so I cranked
my creaky ol' neck around and looked at the elevators. As I recall, Larry
had a fair amount of elevator trim pulled, yet the elevators were almost
flat in line with the horiz stab. I think the air stream was blowing them
flat against the spring, and the resistance was still doing the job of
trimming the plane. Food for thought.
7 League Boots Lar, over-night-ing in McBride,
B.C., after fishing in Babine Lake this morning. Down thru Jasper tomorrow,
then east. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher J Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Pitch trim limitation resolved
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher J Armstrong"
<tophera@centurytel.net>
>
> Ron just put a mark in the cockpit that shows where the stick is when
> the tails are level... don't need a chase plane for that. Do not archive
>
>
> I need to get an escort to see if the
> elevators are flat during cruse and modify the flap reflex to minimize
> total drag.
>
> Thanks to the list for the help
>
> Ron
> Ron Hoyt
> Apple Valley/MN
> Mark III N232S/Rotax912/IVO
> It's flying
> rrhoyt@ieee.org
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2003 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I'm a-workin' on it, Rick. Should work out OK, I think. I haven't seen
any responses to my idea of the FRS radios to keep in touch with at OSH.
NObody's interested ?? Fancy that. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick & Martha Neilsen"
<NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
> John Williamson, John Hauck, Scott Trask
>
> I just got back from Lake Michigan, rain every day and the last few days
> were in the 60s with 20 - 30 knot winds so don't do too much of your cold
> weather dancing. Times getting close for Oshkosh and I have a few things
to
> get done before I leave but my departure for Scott Trasks will be around
the
> 27th with a planed arrival at Scotts some time on the 28th. I also would
> like to fly into Oshkosh on the morning of the 29th as a flight of four
(or
> more) Kolbs. The weather can be a real factor here in Michigan especially
> over the lake so I have left the 25th and 26th open if I need to start
that
> early to make Scotts by the 28th. My planned route will be direct from
Grand
> Ledge to Charlevoix (CVX) over Beaver Island (SJX) to Schoolcraft (ISQ)
and
> then on to Scotts with fuel, rest and weather stops as needed. I plan to
be
> at Oshkosh for the full week and have 5 screw in dog tie downs that I will
> be taking along to keep my Kolb on the ground at Oshkosh as there always
> seems to be thunder storm and/or high winds during the show. I will be
> camping under the wing of the plane for the week and don't have any date
> that I need to get home.
>
> As time gets close I will post my departure and I will stick around if I
> know when you guys will be dropping into my place.
>
> Also Larry Bourne are we going to see you at Oshkosh and/or are you going
to
> stop by Grand Ledge before or after the show.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIII
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant Temperature High |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Larry,
Of all people on this list I am the least qualified to get very technical with
my engine. The only reason I am concerned about the 175 temp is the Rotax manual
says ...176 isthe top end of the acceptable temp range for a 582. I have my
EIS set to blink the red eye at me at 175. I am inclined to think that the 1,100
degree exhaust doesn't help the radiator temps any when it sits so close to
it. Some folks have suggested adding some wings to the radiator to gather more
air.
Still learn 'n!
do not archive
Bob
From: "Larry Bourne" <BIGLAR@GOGITTUM.COM>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature High
-- Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <BIGLAR@GOGITTUM.COM>
I realize I'm not a 2 stroke person, but I do have a
question................ It sounds like you're worried about 165 - 175
deg. coolant temps. Seems to me that plain water boils at 212 F. at MSL,
and with coolant added, that's up to about 230 F. or so. Add a pressure
cap, and it goes up some more, even with altitude figured in. Why the
concern about 175 F. temperatures ?? Mystified Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <SGREENPG@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature High
-- Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com
In a message dated 7/12/03 11:08:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bbrocious@hotmail.com writes:
I even carried my first passenger, my dad. I did have the coolant temp
hit
the high mark I set on my EIS when I was flying with my dad. It only
went to
175 degrees. I backed off the throttle a bit and the light went out as
the
temp dropped. I'm not sure why the coolant temp was an issue unless the
oil
tank is blocking too much of the radiator. Any thoughts?
Bob,
I am not sure what engine/radiator combination you have but it sounds a
lot
like the problem I had using a 582 with twin radiators and carrying a
passenger. When the temperature was in the 90s and a passenger in the
right seat I
would have to constantly play the throttle to keep the temp in range.
I made air scoops to mount to the radiators. I made one for the right
side
(carb. side) first and flew with it for a while and noticed no measurable
difference. The scoop for the exhaust side was a little more complicated
because
the air flowing across the 1100 degree exhaust manifold needed to be
directed
away from the radiator yet still capture sufficient air to cool the
radiator. I
will go ahead and leave the address to a web page I have just started
putting
together. I will add pictures of the scoops sometime today so you can
check
it later this evening to see the pictures.
HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/sgreenpg/58SGKOLB.html"http://hometown.aol.co
m/sgreenpg/58SGKOLB.html
Steven Green
Mark III 582
I almost forgot to mention that the air scoop on the exhaust side made an
8
- 10 degree difference in coolant temperature. Hot day + passenger 165 -
167 degree coolant temp.
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant Temperature High |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Because that's what Rotax puts in the manual....
Now - why are they concerned? I give up.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:11 PM 7/13/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
>I realize I'm not a 2 stroke person, but I do have a
>question................ It sounds like you're worried about 165 - 175
>deg. coolant temps. Seems to me that plain water boils at 212 F. at MSL,
>and with coolant added, that's up to about 230 F. or so. Add a pressure
>cap, and it goes up some more, even with altitude figured in. Why the
>concern about 175 F. temperatures ?? Mystified Lar.
>Do not Archive.
>
>Larry Bourne
>Palm Springs, CA
>Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
>www.gogittum.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <SGreenpg@aol.com>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature High
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 7/12/03 11:08:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > bbrocious@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> > > I even carried my first passenger, my dad. I did have the coolant temp
>hit
> > > the high mark I set on my EIS when I was flying with my dad. It only
>went to
> > > 175 degrees. I backed off the throttle a bit and the light went out as
>the
> > > temp dropped. I'm not sure why the coolant temp was an issue unless the
>oil
> > > tank is blocking too much of the radiator. Any thoughts?
> > >
> >
> > Bob,
> > I am not sure what engine/radiator combination you have but it sounds a
>lot
> > like the problem I had using a 582 with twin radiators and carrying a
> > passenger. When the temperature was in the 90s and a passenger in the
>right seat I
> > would have to constantly play the throttle to keep the temp in range.
> >
> > I made air scoops to mount to the radiators. I made one for the right
>side
> > (carb. side) first and flew with it for a while and noticed no measurable
> > difference. The scoop for the exhaust side was a little more complicated
>because
> > the air flowing across the 1100 degree exhaust manifold needed to be
>directed
> > away from the radiator yet still capture sufficient air to cool the
>radiator. I
> > will go ahead and leave the address to a web page I have just started
>putting
> > together. I will add pictures of the scoops sometime today so you can
>check
> > it later this evening to see the pictures.
> >
> > <A
>HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/sgreenpg/58SGKOLB.html">http://hometown.aol.co
>m/sgreenpg/58SGKOLB.html
> >
> > Steven Green
> > Mark III 582
> >
> > I almost forgot to mention that the air scoop on the exhaust side made an
>8
> > - 10 degree difference in coolant temperature. Hot day + passenger 165 -
> > 167 degree coolant temp.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2003 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I am not sure that you could even get a word in edgewise on FRS. There are
so many that try that the area is overloaded. We even bring in several temp
cell towers as the cell phone system gets overloaded.
Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> I'm a-workin' on it, Rick. Should work out OK, I think. I haven't
seen
> any responses to my idea of the FRS radios to keep in touch with at OSH.
> NObody's interested ?? Fancy that. Lar. Do not
> Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick & Martha Neilsen"
> <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
> >
> > John Williamson, John Hauck, Scott Trask
> >
> > I just got back from Lake Michigan, rain every day and the last few days
> > were in the 60s with 20 - 30 knot winds so don't do too much of your
cold
> > weather dancing. Times getting close for Oshkosh and I have a few things
> to
> > get done before I leave but my departure for Scott Trasks will be around
> the
> > 27th with a planed arrival at Scotts some time on the 28th. I also would
> > like to fly into Oshkosh on the morning of the 29th as a flight of four
> (or
> > more) Kolbs. The weather can be a real factor here in Michigan
especially
> > over the lake so I have left the 25th and 26th open if I need to start
> that
> > early to make Scotts by the 28th. My planned route will be direct from
> Grand
> > Ledge to Charlevoix (CVX) over Beaver Island (SJX) to Schoolcraft (ISQ)
> and
> > then on to Scotts with fuel, rest and weather stops as needed. I plan to
> be
> > at Oshkosh for the full week and have 5 screw in dog tie downs that I
will
> > be taking along to keep my Kolb on the ground at Oshkosh as there always
> > seems to be thunder storm and/or high winds during the show. I will be
> > camping under the wing of the plane for the week and don't have any date
> > that I need to get home.
> >
> > As time gets close I will post my departure and I will stick around if I
> > know when you guys will be dropping into my place.
> >
> > Also Larry Bourne are we going to see you at Oshkosh and/or are you
going
> to
> > stop by Grand Ledge before or after the show.
> >
> > Rick Neilsen
> > Redrive VW powered MKIII
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant Temperature High |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Bob...
I have little expierience with the 582, other than on a 2 seat Phoenix that
I have flown a couple a times. I watch the temps of course and it never gets
over 135 to 140 degrees. when I asked the owner/builder If that was warm
enough he told me he has a 140Deg thermostat in it, and he has NEVER seen
any higher than that.
So your post makes me ask...Do you have a thermostat in your system?...If
so..what is it rated at?
do not archive
Don Gherardini
Sales / Engineering dept.
American Honda Engines
Power Equipment Company
800-626-7326
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| Subject: | Another .8hrs on N616DR |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Kolbers,
This morning I made the second flight of N616DR, put .8 hrs on the hour meter.
Mostly circling the airport at 2800ft msl.
After adjusting the prop since the first flight I still am only getting 5800 rpm
WOT level flight.
Even with this setting, climbout is strong, everyone there commented on the stout
climb.
Did about ten stalls, there is no warning at all, she just breaks straight and
true at 35mph indicated. Half the stalls were surprises as I was trying to determine
the minimum rpm I could maintain level flight at and also what the minimum
rpm was at which she would climb. Stalls are at 35 mph IAS.
Looks like minimum level flight is right around 3900 to 4000, of course that will
change with the new prop pitch.
Level flight with WOT indicates 70, but I am pretty sure the indicated is on the
low side, at this setting, things get pretty uncomfortable, I think I'll ease
up on the max power cruising until my comfort level gets better.
At full power it pitches up and wants to climb, just like a certified airplane.
The 8.00 x 6 tires are sweet and my one landing was passable. I hope to work more
on take offs and landings tomorrow.
Also may hook up the gps and try to get an idea of how far off my ASI is.
Denny Rowe
Western PA, Mk-3, 2SI 690L-70, Powerfin, 4.1 hours on the hobbs. 1.3 of it in
the air.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
Richard
One way to find out is to check out the CHT at the spark plugs, and observe coolant
temperature. It may be that at 175 degree F coolant temperature, the CHT
at the plug is at or above it's upper limit.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
At 11:42 AM 7/14/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
>Because that's what Rotax puts in the manual....
>
>Now - why are they concerned? I give up.
>
>Richard Pike
>MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
Jim,
Looking at the great replies since your original post, if you follow them you should
do great. To me, Wing alignment is most important. I started on a Saturday
morning at 6:00am and finally pulled the wooden jigs(cruches) from under
the wing just before sundown. Well over 12 hours of aligning and moving and checking
and aligning again and checking and rechecking, (I'm sure you get my drift).
Here are some things I learned and you may want to think about:
When you set your wings up, the manual tells you to align them flat. Once you
have your attachments drilled, then do you place the dihedral in the wings and
start making your wings struts. The manual states that when you set dihedral
that the wings will sweep back just a bit. This is normal. But, I had read
on the list of someone setting up the wings with a little forward sweep, so when
you raised them the wing leading edge would be strait, and have no sweep.
This is advantages as well, in that the bolt that holds the wing attachment at
the universal joint gets more room between the joint and the wings root bottom
edge when folded. I have seen this bolt at this joint so tight that the builder/pilot(me)
had to reverse the bolt direction, as well as grind the bolt heat
to clear the folding wing. I had to reverse the bolt, but not grind the head
on my Firestar II (previously learned from another project).
Make sure that all of your joints on the universal joint are tight and have no
play or slop in them when rigging.
Make sure that your tail bolt is on tight and tail tube is centered (as if it were
to fly).
Make sure that your wing panels are the same length, so that when you attach a
string to the wing trailing edge tube (not the aileron tub, or aileron end) That
you won' t align your wings at more than or less than 90 degree angle to your
tail boom. Also measure the string from wing trailing edge to the end of the
tail boom. Not from aileron to your tail feathers (elevators or horizontal
stabs). All these surfaces can have small building mis-measurements or alignments
and can combine to misalign the wings in a significant way.
Do what the others said, take your time, measure over and over again, recheck your
work. Remember, that when you move one thing before you drill, be it sweep,
angle, dihedral, it will move them all, and you must check all measurements
again. Then check them again in comparison to the other wing panel. If something
dosen't make sense, just don't think "Oh Well" and drill. Stop, think
about it, or write us on the list to figure it out, or sleep on it like John J.
suggested. Be totally ready and sure with your measurements and you will be
happy you did down the road.
Funny thing is, I remember I was just finishing up the long day of rigging the
wings. I had the whole family outside to pull the wooden jigs from out under
the wings and for the first time they see a fuselage with wings----A PLANE!
A Schwann's truck just pulled up to make a delivery to my neighbors house. I
bought a box of 24 fudgesicles (best fudgesicles) and started to hand them out
to kids, neighbors, people walking on the sidewalk. I was like a happy new father
handing out cigars to all in site.
Sorry to be so long winded, and if something I wrote does not make sense or you
have a hard time picturing it. Let me know and we will go over it in greater
detail until it makes sense.
Good luck,
Tim Gherkins
Rigged wings on a Mark III Extra and Firestar II, currently painting my Firestar
II.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Ballenger [mailto:ulpilot@cavtel.net]
Subject: Kolb-List: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
All
I am nearing the wing alignment and attachment to the cage of my MK III X kit.
I have read and reread the building manual and have a few questions. I plan
on calling the factory to clear up some nagging concerns I have. Any lessons
learned out there? Any and all tidbits of info on how to proceed will be appreciated.
Thanks
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
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| Subject: | WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
All
Thanks for the info and insight to the task at hand. I will start early and install
the wings on the next good weather day I have off. As with most of the building
on the Kolb, understanding the problem is half the battle. I'll let you
know how it comes out.
Thanks again.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
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| Subject: | Pitch trim limitation resolved |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher J Armstrong" <tophera@centurytel.net>
While flying with Larry
Cottrell last week (??) (week before ??) (gee, time goes fast when
you're
having fun) we were discussing just this topic while in flight, so I
cranked
my creaky ol' neck around and looked at the elevators. As I recall,
Larry
had a fair amount of elevator trim pulled, yet the elevators were almost
flat in line with the horiz stab. I think the air stream was blowing
them
flat against the spring, and the resistance was still doing the job of
trimming the plane
Well it seems to me that the stick is directly connected to the elevator
with cables that are for the most part ridged. So if you mark where the
stick is when the elevators are flat then you can tell where the
elevator is by where the stick is. The trim is just taking up some of
the force you need to hold the elevator in a given position, it doesn't
effect where the stick is for a given position. Unless you are doing
something really different with your trim system, in which case I would
say don't do that.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Two years ago I took four of these things to Oshkosh and they worked fine
but if the zero gets all the sub codes on a channel that would be a mistake
trying to use them there with the zero sub code. I will take my FRS and set
it for channel 5 sub code 33.
Also in the past we would set a time like 11:00AM at the Kolb trailer for
everyone to get together. Do we want to do that again?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIII
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Bourne
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I'm a-workin' on it, Rick. Should work out OK, I think. I haven't seen
any responses to my idea of the FRS radios to keep in touch with at OSH.
NObody's interested ?? Fancy that. Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick & Martha Neilsen"
<NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
> John Williamson, John Hauck, Scott Trask
>
> I just got back from Lake Michigan, rain every day and the last few days
> were in the 60s with 20 - 30 knot winds so don't do too much of your cold
> weather dancing. Times getting close for Oshkosh and I have a few things
to
> get done before I leave but my departure for Scott Trasks will be around
the
> 27th with a planed arrival at Scotts some time on the 28th. I also would
> like to fly into Oshkosh on the morning of the 29th as a flight of four
(or
> more) Kolbs. The weather can be a real factor here in Michigan especially
> over the lake so I have left the 25th and 26th open if I need to start
that
> early to make Scotts by the 28th. My planned route will be direct from
Grand
> Ledge to Charlevoix (CVX) over Beaver Island (SJX) to Schoolcraft (ISQ)
and
> then on to Scotts with fuel, rest and weather stops as needed. I plan to
be
> at Oshkosh for the full week and have 5 screw in dog tie downs that I will
> be taking along to keep my Kolb on the ground at Oshkosh as there always
> seems to be thunder storm and/or high winds during the show. I will be
> camping under the wing of the plane for the week and don't have any date
> that I need to get home.
>
> As time gets close I will post my departure and I will stick around if I
> know when you guys will be dropping into my place.
>
> Also Larry Bourne are we going to see you at Oshkosh and/or are you going
to
> stop by Grand Ledge before or after the show.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIII
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Also in the past we would set a time like 11:00AM at the Kolb trailer for
> everyone to get together. Do we want to do that again?
>
> Rick Neilsen
Rick/All:
Sounds good to me.
I should be up and about by 1100 AM. :-)
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant Temperature High |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature High
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
>
> Richard
>
> One way to find out is to check out the CHT at the spark plugs, and
observe coolant temperature. It may be that at 175 degree F coolant
temperature, the CHT at the plug is at or above it's upper limit.
>
I was looking at my 582 on the last trip that Lar and I went on. Density
altitude was high and the plane was struggling to get over the Cascades. The
water temp got up to 179, but the cht was around 235. Next guess!:-)
do not archive
larry
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 03:56 PM 7/14/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
>
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature High
>
>
>> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> One way to find out is to check out the CHT at the spark plugs, and
>observe coolant temperature. It may be that at 175 degree F coolant
>temperature, the CHT at the plug is at or above it's upper limit.
>>
>
>
> I was looking at my 582 on the last trip that Lar and I went on. Density
>altitude was high and the plane was struggling to get over the Cascades. The
>water temp got up to 179, but the cht was around 235. Next guess!:-)
>do not archive
>larry
>
Larry,
And there you have the solution. I can see no logical reason to not let the coolant
temperature rise as long as the CHT reading remains with in limits. You
were working the engine harder, and so it must reject more heat through the cooling
system. For the conditions you just described it indicates that your radiator
cooling surface or air velocity through the core is marginal. The coolant
temperature will rise until there is sufficient temperature drop across the
core to pass off the excess heat. With a pressurized cooling system, this should
not be a problem.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2003 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
11.am on what day at the Kolb booth men?...I have to work the honda booth
for a couple a days...but dunno my duty schedule yet.
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> 11.am on what day at the Kolb booth men?...
> Don Gherardini-
Don G/All:
How about, every day?
john h
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