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1. 10:21 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (Don Gherardini)
2. 10:29 AM - Re: Coolant Temperature High (Larry Bourne)
3. 10:29 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (Larry Bourne)
4. 10:29 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (Larry Bourne)
5. 11:22 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (John Hauck)
6. 01:31 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (Don Gherardini)
7. 02:17 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (John Hauck)
8. 03:03 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (F. Otta)
9. 03:21 PM - OSH (Scott Trask)
10. 06:40 PM - Re: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT (Ben Ransom)
11. 06:45 PM - Re: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT (Ben Ransom)
12. 07:07 PM - Re: Ivo pitch setting (DAquaNut@aol.com)
13. 07:07 PM - Re: Big tires (FIXERJONES@aol.com)
14. 07:54 PM - Re: Ivo pitch setting (Beauford Tuton)
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2003 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
hehe...Well John, I'm afraid that Ray might get tired of us all
everyday!!!...
BTW...Are you gonna have to pull that same tuff duty of flying that danged
ole Firefly around the patch for them at OshKosh like you did In Florida?
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant Temperature High |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Hokay, I read the responses, and since Rotax says 176 is the limit, that's
what to do....................but, being a stubborn ol' cuss, I can't help
wondering why. I realize the 582 doesn't have a crankcase to boil
contaminants out of, as is the case with a 4 stroke, (in which you WANT
180 - 200 F.) so maybe it has something to do with metal expansion or some
such. Nothing gets me going quicker than to ask a question, and the local
"expert" says, "because I said so." (do you know the definition of an
expert ??........an 'ex' is a has-been, and a 'spurt' is a little drip under
pressure) Oh well..........................?? Still
Grumbly Lar.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature High
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious"
<bbrocious@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Larry,
> Of all people on this list I am the least qualified to get very technical
with my engine. The only reason I am concerned about the 175 temp is the
Rotax manual says ...176 isthe top end of the acceptable temp range for a
582. I have my EIS set to blink the red eye at me at 175. I am inclined to
think that the 1,100 degree exhaust doesn't help the radiator temps any when
it sits so close to it. Some folks have suggested adding some wings to the
radiator to gather more air.
> Still learn 'n!
>
>
> do not archive
> Bob
> From: "Larry Bourne" <BIGLAR@GOGITTUM.COM>
>
>
> To: <KOLB-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature High
> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:11:54 -0700
>
> -- Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <BIGLAR@GOGITTUM.COM>
>
> I realize I'm not a 2 stroke person, but I do have a
> question................ It sounds like you're worried about 165 - 175
> deg. coolant temps. Seems to me that plain water boils at 212 F. at MSL,
> and with coolant added, that's up to about 230 F. or so. Add a pressure
> cap, and it goes up some more, even with altitude figured in. Why the
> concern about 175 F. temperatures ?? Mystified Lar.
> Do not Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <SGREENPG@AOL.COM>
> To: <KOLB-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature High
>
>
> -- Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 7/12/03 11:08:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> bbrocious@hotmail.com writes:
>
> I even carried my first passenger, my dad. I did have the coolant temp
> hit
> the high mark I set on my EIS when I was flying with my dad. It only
> went to
> 175 degrees. I backed off the throttle a bit and the light went out as
> the
> temp dropped. I'm not sure why the coolant temp was an issue unless the
> oil
> tank is blocking too much of the radiator. Any thoughts?
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2003 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Well, it were a thought, eh ?? So..............how we gonna meet up then.
Or do ya even want to ?? Lar. Do not
Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> I am not sure that you could even get a word in edgewise on FRS. There
are
> so many that try that the area is overloaded. We even bring in several
temp
> cell towers as the cell phone system gets overloaded.
> Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
> >
> > I'm a-workin' on it, Rick. Should work out OK, I think. I haven't
> seen
> > any responses to my idea of the FRS radios to keep in touch with at OSH.
> > NObody's interested ?? Fancy that. Lar. Do not
> > Archive.
> >
> > Larry Bourne
> > Palm Springs, CA
> > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> > www.gogittum.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick & Martha Neilsen"
> > <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > John Williamson, John Hauck, Scott Trask
> > >
> > > I just got back from Lake Michigan, rain every day and the last few
days
> > > were in the 60s with 20 - 30 knot winds so don't do too much of your
> cold
> > > weather dancing. Times getting close for Oshkosh and I have a few
things
> > to
> > > get done before I leave but my departure for Scott Trasks will be
around
> > the
> > > 27th with a planed arrival at Scotts some time on the 28th. I also
would
> > > like to fly into Oshkosh on the morning of the 29th as a flight of
four
> > (or
> > > more) Kolbs. The weather can be a real factor here in Michigan
> especially
> > > over the lake so I have left the 25th and 26th open if I need to start
> > that
> > > early to make Scotts by the 28th. My planned route will be direct from
> > Grand
> > > Ledge to Charlevoix (CVX) over Beaver Island (SJX) to Schoolcraft
(ISQ)
> > and
> > > then on to Scotts with fuel, rest and weather stops as needed. I plan
to
> > be
> > > at Oshkosh for the full week and have 5 screw in dog tie downs that I
> will
> > > be taking along to keep my Kolb on the ground at Oshkosh as there
always
> > > seems to be thunder storm and/or high winds during the show. I will be
> > > camping under the wing of the plane for the week and don't have any
date
> > > that I need to get home.
> > >
> > > As time gets close I will post my departure and I will stick around if
I
> > > know when you guys will be dropping into my place.
> > >
> > > Also Larry Bourne are we going to see you at Oshkosh and/or are you
> going
> > to
> > > stop by Grand Ledge before or after the show.
> > >
> > > Rick Neilsen
> > > Redrive VW powered MKIII
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2003 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Gotcha ! ! ! Sounds good to me. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick & Martha Neilsen"
<NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
> Two years ago I took four of these things to Oshkosh and they worked fine
> but if the zero gets all the sub codes on a channel that would be a
mistake
> trying to use them there with the zero sub code. I will take my FRS and
set
> it for channel 5 sub code 33.
>
> Also in the past we would set a time like 11:00AM at the Kolb trailer for
> everyone to get together. Do we want to do that again?
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIII
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Bourne
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> I'm a-workin' on it, Rick. Should work out OK, I think. I haven't
seen
> any responses to my idea of the FRS radios to keep in touch with at OSH.
> NObody's interested ?? Fancy that. Lar. Do not
> Archive.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick & Martha Neilsen"
> <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
> >
> > John Williamson, John Hauck, Scott Trask
> >
> > I just got back from Lake Michigan, rain every day and the last few days
> > were in the 60s with 20 - 30 knot winds so don't do too much of your
cold
> > weather dancing. Times getting close for Oshkosh and I have a few things
> to
> > get done before I leave but my departure for Scott Trasks will be around
> the
> > 27th with a planed arrival at Scotts some time on the 28th. I also would
> > like to fly into Oshkosh on the morning of the 29th as a flight of four
> (or
> > more) Kolbs. The weather can be a real factor here in Michigan
especially
> > over the lake so I have left the 25th and 26th open if I need to start
> that
> > early to make Scotts by the 28th. My planned route will be direct from
> Grand
> > Ledge to Charlevoix (CVX) over Beaver Island (SJX) to Schoolcraft (ISQ)
> and
> > then on to Scotts with fuel, rest and weather stops as needed. I plan to
> be
> > at Oshkosh for the full week and have 5 screw in dog tie downs that I
will
> > be taking along to keep my Kolb on the ground at Oshkosh as there always
> > seems to be thunder storm and/or high winds during the show. I will be
> > camping under the wing of the plane for the week and don't have any date
> > that I need to get home.
> >
> > As time gets close I will post my departure and I will stick around if I
> > know when you guys will be dropping into my place.
> >
> > Also Larry Bourne are we going to see you at Oshkosh and/or are you
going
> to
> > stop by Grand Ledge before or after the show.
> >
> > Rick Neilsen
> > Redrive VW powered MKIII
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2003 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> BTW...Are you gonna have to pull that same tuff duty of flying that danged
> ole Firefly around the patch for them at OshKosh like you did In Florida?
> FireFly 098
Don/All:
Don't now about this year, but I will be flying my
own Kolb, for sure.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2003 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Boy, the Details!...Fellas, I am awful close to that "maiden flight" for my
FireFly....But still, I can find no one with a 2 seat Kolb around here to
give me a dab of instruction..or a check ride...or somekind of ride to
familiarize me with the type. Any of you fellas going to OshKosh this year
have the ability to do this???...I will be there for 3 or 4 days and I dont
know if this can even be accomplished at or around this Fly-in. If someone
can help me out I will pay...or by the brats..or something...you all have
been mighty helpful on this list already.
I have a Private rating already (got that at Spartan in 77")and have logbook
time in everything from C-150's to Beech -18s...(also in the late 70's and
early 80's)...although no time in anything other than weedhoppers and a 2
seat Phoenix..(strut-braced quicksilver clone) in the last 20 years...Nothin
in anything even close to a Kolb...
I would like to get a dab of instruction before I fly this FireFly....I
would just Hate to bend it right off the bat after spending all that time
on the paintjob!
Thanks men.
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2003 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Don G/Gang:
Let's take a look at the situation when I get
there.
OSH and Lakeland are not ideal for giving
familiarization flights.
Maybe we can meet up in or near Sullivan, if you
still live there, on my way back to Alabama.
We can talk about it when I get to OSH, hopefully
29 July.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "F. Otta" <fotta@rogers.com>
Don, Nice paint job ! That must have taken a bit of work!
Regards
Frank
........................
F. Otta
Marketing Manager
Interactive Toy Concepts
Toronto, Ontario
www.interactivetoy.com
would just Hate to bend it right off the bat after spending all that time
on the paintjob!
Thanks men.
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Scott Trask <sctrask@diisd.org>
>
>
Hi Oshkosh gang,
John H. you're going to take a nice route. Pictured Rocks is very
scenic. Near Grand Island there's some ship wrecks that you can see from the
air.
Rick your route is the shortest. Beaver Island has a nice airstrip and
there is a loaner car that you can use to get you into town if you need to.
Warning-- when you get half way across the lake, your engine will be making
strange noises and it will seem like you're not moving. I've been there!
Just ignore it. If you have an FM radio just turn up the music. ISQ has a
loader car or truck and town is not too far.
John W. giving rides that's nice. I enjoy giving rides to kids. Out in
Custer State Park last summer I was giving rides to kids (Y.E rides) A
female Park Ranger gave me some grief. She was in the wrong & the EAA wrote
them a letter. ( ask me about it when you get here)
So I can expect 3 guys traveling up from the south coming in from the
east. It looks like you guys will be coming in at different times taking
different routes. Don't be afraid to drop in earlier if you need to. Give me
a call. If you guys plan on meeting some place before you get here let me
know.
If there is anyone else that wants to join us up here, please let me know
so I can set a place at the table for you. If need be I'll drag some more
fresh meat out of the woods.
Scott Trask
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| Subject: | Re: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Jim,
I found that you can start to go crazy trying to chase equal incidence
when checking between the two wings. I used a sketch as below, and as
this would hopefully show, I marked whether the incidence was high (+),
low (-), or ok at three places along the span of each wing. This
allows you to account for any very minor droops or rises along leading
and trailing edges -- I'm talking even 1/16" here, and then decide when
they average out to equal between the two wings. I would shim, then
go thru with the level and jot down the +,-, or ok, then do over with a
new sketch right below the previous. That allows you to see what
happens as you change change something (i.e., shim up or down
somewhere), so as to minimize chasing your tail. ...no pun intended.
____________________ _____________________
( + - - | | + + ok )
| | | | | front
| + - ok| | + ok - |
|____________________| |_____________________|
The only other thing I'd say is to be careful not to bump the whole
thing off when you apply pressure with the drill. Step up in drill
size helps too -- it is nice to have the right diameter hole when you
are finished. :) I took a 12 hour day to do mine the first time, and
maybe 10 the second (on rebuild). Time well spent.
-Ben Ransom
Firestar KXP ...soon, very soon
Murphy Rebel ...still in the box
--- Jim Ballenger <ulpilot@cavtel.net> wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
>
> All
> I am nearing the wing alignment and attachment to the cage of my MK
> III X kit. I have read and reread the building manual and have a few
> questions. I plan on calling the factory to clear up some nagging
> concerns I have. Any lessons learned out there? Any and all tidbits
> of info on how to proceed will be appreciated.
> Thanks
> Jim Ballenger
> Flying a FS KXP 447
> Building a MK III X
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
=====
http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~ransom
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| Subject: | Re: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bwr000@yahoo.com>
Footnote, I have a few unindexed pictures of some of my rebuild,
including my wing alignment jig setup at:
http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~ransom/BensAlbum/rebuild/
For my "jig", I used drywall screws to fasten some 2x6 pieces to the
inside of my garage door opening, then clamped 2x4x out from there. I
was able to unclamp to nudge the 2x4 up or down -- I think it sort of
shows from the pics.
-Ben
=====
http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~ransom
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| Subject: | Re: Ivo pitch setting |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
I spent over 2 hours looking in the archives and could not find out how
to set, or maybe I should say measure the pitch the pitch on an ivo. I did see
where some had ground or shimmed the cams. I got zero instructions from Ivo.
Guess they think I have had one before, but its my first. I have a 2 blade
66"prop. Is there any way to set it besides trial and error?
Ed ( in Houston)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: FIXERJONES@aol.com
anyone needing a brs500,,canster type,,good till 12/05. $750. steve jones
fixerjones@aol.com. since i sold the eagle & now fly my kolb twinstar, i
don't need it
anymore
do not arcive
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| Subject: | Re: Ivo pitch setting |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford Tuton" <beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
Ed...
My 66" IVO had no instructions for setting the angle of the pitch in degrees
either... I don't think they come with such...
I think the conventional way most people set an IVO is by trial and error...
I suspect that most guys would tell you that after you get the engine
break-in done, tie the tail to something substantial (that you don't mind
getting slightly sandblasted) and just work with the prop pitch screw until
you get it to the desired static RPM at wide open throttle... Screw the
pitch screw IN to INCREASE RPM...... screw it back OUT to DECREASE RPM....
For a 447, most folks seem to dial up about 6250 or 6300 static... should
give you about 6550 or 6600 wide open throttle in level flight... Since
the cam arrangement on the IVO sets both blades to the same pitch
simultaneously, you shouldn't have to be concerned about setting the precise
pitch angle of the blades in degrees with a protractor... Just crank in what
ever setting permits the engine to develop approximately its rated RPM/power
wide open in level flight. Betcha you will end up tweaking the pitch at
least several times until you get it exactly where you want it. Most of us
did... You will note that every time you adjust the pitch, it will affect
your EGT... Let the fun begin...heh, heh, heh....
Good Luck,
Beauford
FF #076
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo pitch setting
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
>
> I spent over 2 hours looking in the archives and could not find out
how
> to set, or maybe I should say measure the pitch the pitch on an ivo. I did
see
> where some had ground or shimmed the cams. I got zero instructions from
Ivo.
> Guess they think I have had one before, but its my first. I have a 2 blade
> 66"prop. Is there any way to set it besides trial and error?
>
> Ed ( in Houston)
>
>
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