---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/15/03: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:21 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (Don Gherardini) 2. 10:29 AM - Re: Coolant Temperature High (Larry Bourne) 3. 10:29 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (Larry Bourne) 4. 10:29 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (Larry Bourne) 5. 11:22 AM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (John Hauck) 6. 01:31 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (Don Gherardini) 7. 02:17 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (John Hauck) 8. 03:03 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2003 (F. Otta) 9. 03:21 PM - OSH (Scott Trask) 10. 06:40 PM - Re: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT (Ben Ransom) 11. 06:45 PM - Re: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT (Ben Ransom) 12. 07:07 PM - Re: Ivo pitch setting (DAquaNut@aol.com) 13. 07:07 PM - Re: Big tires (FIXERJONES@aol.com) 14. 07:54 PM - Re: Ivo pitch setting (Beauford Tuton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:33 AM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" hehe...Well John, I'm afraid that Ray might get tired of us all everyday!!!... BTW...Are you gonna have to pull that same tuff duty of flying that danged ole Firefly around the patch for them at OshKosh like you did In Florida? http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Don Gherardini- FireFly 098 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:25 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature High --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Hokay, I read the responses, and since Rotax says 176 is the limit, that's what to do....................but, being a stubborn ol' cuss, I can't help wondering why. I realize the 582 doesn't have a crankcase to boil contaminants out of, as is the case with a 4 stroke, (in which you WANT 180 - 200 F.) so maybe it has something to do with metal expansion or some such. Nothing gets me going quicker than to ask a question, and the local "expert" says, "because I said so." (do you know the definition of an expert ??........an 'ex' is a has-been, and a 'spurt' is a little drip under pressure) Oh well..........................?? Still Grumbly Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature High > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" > > > Larry, > Of all people on this list I am the least qualified to get very technical with my engine. The only reason I am concerned about the 175 temp is the Rotax manual says ...176 isthe top end of the acceptable temp range for a 582. I have my EIS set to blink the red eye at me at 175. I am inclined to think that the 1,100 degree exhaust doesn't help the radiator temps any when it sits so close to it. Some folks have suggested adding some wings to the radiator to gather more air. > Still learn 'n! > > > do not archive > Bob > From: "Larry Bourne" > > > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature High > Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:11:54 -0700 > > -- Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > I realize I'm not a 2 stroke person, but I do have a > question................ It sounds like you're worried about 165 - 175 > deg. coolant temps. Seems to me that plain water boils at 212 F. at MSL, > and with coolant added, that's up to about 230 F. or so. Add a pressure > cap, and it goes up some more, even with altitude figured in. Why the > concern about 175 F. temperatures ?? Mystified Lar. > Do not Archive. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature High > > > -- Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com > > In a message dated 7/12/03 11:08:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > bbrocious@hotmail.com writes: > > I even carried my first passenger, my dad. I did have the coolant temp > hit > the high mark I set on my EIS when I was flying with my dad. It only > went to > 175 degrees. I backed off the throttle a bit and the light went out as > the > temp dropped. I'm not sure why the coolant temp was an issue unless the > oil > tank is blocking too much of the radiator. Any thoughts? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:29 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Well, it were a thought, eh ?? So..............how we gonna meet up then. Or do ya even want to ?? Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > I am not sure that you could even get a word in edgewise on FRS. There are > so many that try that the area is overloaded. We even bring in several temp > cell towers as the cell phone system gets overloaded. > Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Bourne" > To: > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003 > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > > > I'm a-workin' on it, Rick. Should work out OK, I think. I haven't > seen > > any responses to my idea of the FRS radios to keep in touch with at OSH. > > NObody's interested ?? Fancy that. Lar. Do not > > Archive. > > > > Larry Bourne > > Palm Springs, CA > > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > > www.gogittum.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" > > To: > > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003 > > > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" > > > > > > > > John Williamson, John Hauck, Scott Trask > > > > > > I just got back from Lake Michigan, rain every day and the last few days > > > were in the 60s with 20 - 30 knot winds so don't do too much of your > cold > > > weather dancing. Times getting close for Oshkosh and I have a few things > > to > > > get done before I leave but my departure for Scott Trasks will be around > > the > > > 27th with a planed arrival at Scotts some time on the 28th. I also would > > > like to fly into Oshkosh on the morning of the 29th as a flight of four > > (or > > > more) Kolbs. The weather can be a real factor here in Michigan > especially > > > over the lake so I have left the 25th and 26th open if I need to start > > that > > > early to make Scotts by the 28th. My planned route will be direct from > > Grand > > > Ledge to Charlevoix (CVX) over Beaver Island (SJX) to Schoolcraft (ISQ) > > and > > > then on to Scotts with fuel, rest and weather stops as needed. I plan to > > be > > > at Oshkosh for the full week and have 5 screw in dog tie downs that I > will > > > be taking along to keep my Kolb on the ground at Oshkosh as there always > > > seems to be thunder storm and/or high winds during the show. I will be > > > camping under the wing of the plane for the week and don't have any date > > > that I need to get home. > > > > > > As time gets close I will post my departure and I will stick around if I > > > know when you guys will be dropping into my place. > > > > > > Also Larry Bourne are we going to see you at Oshkosh and/or are you > going > > to > > > stop by Grand Ledge before or after the show. > > > > > > Rick Neilsen > > > Redrive VW powered MKIII > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:47 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" Gotcha ! ! ! Sounds good to me. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003 > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" > > Two years ago I took four of these things to Oshkosh and they worked fine > but if the zero gets all the sub codes on a channel that would be a mistake > trying to use them there with the zero sub code. I will take my FRS and set > it for channel 5 sub code 33. > > Also in the past we would set a time like 11:00AM at the Kolb trailer for > everyone to get together. Do we want to do that again? > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIII > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Bourne > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003 > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > > I'm a-workin' on it, Rick. Should work out OK, I think. I haven't seen > any responses to my idea of the FRS radios to keep in touch with at OSH. > NObody's interested ?? Fancy that. Lar. Do not > Archive. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" > To: > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003 > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" > > > > > John Williamson, John Hauck, Scott Trask > > > > I just got back from Lake Michigan, rain every day and the last few days > > were in the 60s with 20 - 30 knot winds so don't do too much of your cold > > weather dancing. Times getting close for Oshkosh and I have a few things > to > > get done before I leave but my departure for Scott Trasks will be around > the > > 27th with a planed arrival at Scotts some time on the 28th. I also would > > like to fly into Oshkosh on the morning of the 29th as a flight of four > (or > > more) Kolbs. The weather can be a real factor here in Michigan especially > > over the lake so I have left the 25th and 26th open if I need to start > that > > early to make Scotts by the 28th. My planned route will be direct from > Grand > > Ledge to Charlevoix (CVX) over Beaver Island (SJX) to Schoolcraft (ISQ) > and > > then on to Scotts with fuel, rest and weather stops as needed. I plan to > be > > at Oshkosh for the full week and have 5 screw in dog tie downs that I will > > be taking along to keep my Kolb on the ground at Oshkosh as there always > > seems to be thunder storm and/or high winds during the show. I will be > > camping under the wing of the plane for the week and don't have any date > > that I need to get home. > > > > As time gets close I will post my departure and I will stick around if I > > know when you guys will be dropping into my place. > > > > Also Larry Bourne are we going to see you at Oshkosh and/or are you going > to > > stop by Grand Ledge before or after the show. > > > > Rick Neilsen > > Redrive VW powered MKIII > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:52 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003 --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > BTW...Are you gonna have to pull that same tuff duty of flying that danged > ole Firefly around the patch for them at OshKosh like you did In Florida? > FireFly 098 Don/All: Don't now about this year, but I will be flying my own Kolb, for sure. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:41 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Boy, the Details!...Fellas, I am awful close to that "maiden flight" for my FireFly....But still, I can find no one with a 2 seat Kolb around here to give me a dab of instruction..or a check ride...or somekind of ride to familiarize me with the type. Any of you fellas going to OshKosh this year have the ability to do this???...I will be there for 3 or 4 days and I dont know if this can even be accomplished at or around this Fly-in. If someone can help me out I will pay...or by the brats..or something...you all have been mighty helpful on this list already. I have a Private rating already (got that at Spartan in 77")and have logbook time in everything from C-150's to Beech -18s...(also in the late 70's and early 80's)...although no time in anything other than weedhoppers and a 2 seat Phoenix..(strut-braced quicksilver clone) in the last 20 years...Nothin in anything even close to a Kolb... I would like to get a dab of instruction before I fly this FireFly....I would just Hate to bend it right off the bat after spending all that time on the paintjob! Thanks men. http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Don Gherardini- FireFly 098 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:49 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003 --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Don G/Gang: Let's take a look at the situation when I get there. OSH and Lakeland are not ideal for giving familiarization flights. Maybe we can meet up in or near Sullivan, if you still live there, on my way back to Alabama. We can talk about it when I get to OSH, hopefully 29 July. john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:12 PM PST US From: "F. Otta" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Oshkosh 2003 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "F. Otta" Don, Nice paint job ! That must have taken a bit of work! Regards Frank ........................ F. Otta Marketing Manager Interactive Toy Concepts Toronto, Ontario www.interactivetoy.com would just Hate to bend it right off the bat after spending all that time on the paintjob! Thanks men. http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Don Gherardini- FireFly 098 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:18 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: OSH From: Scott Trask --> Kolb-List message posted by: Scott Trask > > Hi Oshkosh gang, John H. you're going to take a nice route. Pictured Rocks is very scenic. Near Grand Island there's some ship wrecks that you can see from the air. Rick your route is the shortest. Beaver Island has a nice airstrip and there is a loaner car that you can use to get you into town if you need to. Warning-- when you get half way across the lake, your engine will be making strange noises and it will seem like you're not moving. I've been there! Just ignore it. If you have an FM radio just turn up the music. ISQ has a loader car or truck and town is not too far. John W. giving rides that's nice. I enjoy giving rides to kids. Out in Custer State Park last summer I was giving rides to kids (Y.E rides) A female Park Ranger gave me some grief. She was in the wrong & the EAA wrote them a letter. ( ask me about it when you get here) So I can expect 3 guys traveling up from the south coming in from the east. It looks like you guys will be coming in at different times taking different routes. Don't be afraid to drop in earlier if you need to. Give me a call. If you guys plan on meeting some place before you get here let me know. If there is anyone else that wants to join us up here, please let me know so I can set a place at the table for you. If need be I'll drag some more fresh meat out of the woods. Scott Trask ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:32 PM PST US From: Ben Ransom Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom Jim, I found that you can start to go crazy trying to chase equal incidence when checking between the two wings. I used a sketch as below, and as this would hopefully show, I marked whether the incidence was high (+), low (-), or ok at three places along the span of each wing. This allows you to account for any very minor droops or rises along leading and trailing edges -- I'm talking even 1/16" here, and then decide when they average out to equal between the two wings. I would shim, then go thru with the level and jot down the +,-, or ok, then do over with a new sketch right below the previous. That allows you to see what happens as you change change something (i.e., shim up or down somewhere), so as to minimize chasing your tail. ...no pun intended. ____________________ _____________________ ( + - - | | + + ok ) | | | | | front | + - ok| | + ok - | |____________________| |_____________________| The only other thing I'd say is to be careful not to bump the whole thing off when you apply pressure with the drill. Step up in drill size helps too -- it is nice to have the right diameter hole when you are finished. :) I took a 12 hour day to do mine the first time, and maybe 10 the second (on rebuild). Time well spent. -Ben Ransom Firestar KXP ...soon, very soon Murphy Rebel ...still in the box --- Jim Ballenger wrote: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" > > All > I am nearing the wing alignment and attachment to the cage of my MK > III X kit. I have read and reread the building manual and have a few > questions. I plan on calling the factory to clear up some nagging > concerns I have. Any lessons learned out there? Any and all tidbits > of info on how to proceed will be appreciated. > Thanks > Jim Ballenger > Flying a FS KXP 447 > Building a MK III X > Virginia Beach, VA > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > > > > ===== http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~ransom __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:47 PM PST US From: Ben Ransom Subject: Re: Kolb-List: WING ALIGNMENT AND ATTACHMENT --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom Footnote, I have a few unindexed pictures of some of my rebuild, including my wing alignment jig setup at: http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~ransom/BensAlbum/rebuild/ For my "jig", I used drywall screws to fasten some 2x6 pieces to the inside of my garage door opening, then clamped 2x4x out from there. I was able to unclamp to nudge the 2x4 up or down -- I think it sort of shows from the pics. -Ben ===== http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~ransom __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:29 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo pitch setting --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com I spent over 2 hours looking in the archives and could not find out how to set, or maybe I should say measure the pitch the pitch on an ivo. I did see where some had ground or shimmed the cams. I got zero instructions from Ivo. Guess they think I have had one before, but its my first. I have a 2 blade 66"prop. Is there any way to set it besides trial and error? Ed ( in Houston) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:47 PM PST US From: FIXERJONES@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Big tires --> Kolb-List message posted by: FIXERJONES@aol.com anyone needing a brs500,,canster type,,good till 12/05. $750. steve jones fixerjones@aol.com. since i sold the eagle & now fly my kolb twinstar, i don't need it anymore do not arcive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:26 PM PST US From: "Beauford Tuton" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo pitch setting --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Beauford Tuton" Ed... My 66" IVO had no instructions for setting the angle of the pitch in degrees either... I don't think they come with such... I think the conventional way most people set an IVO is by trial and error... I suspect that most guys would tell you that after you get the engine break-in done, tie the tail to something substantial (that you don't mind getting slightly sandblasted) and just work with the prop pitch screw until you get it to the desired static RPM at wide open throttle... Screw the pitch screw IN to INCREASE RPM...... screw it back OUT to DECREASE RPM.... For a 447, most folks seem to dial up about 6250 or 6300 static... should give you about 6550 or 6600 wide open throttle in level flight... Since the cam arrangement on the IVO sets both blades to the same pitch simultaneously, you shouldn't have to be concerned about setting the precise pitch angle of the blades in degrees with a protractor... Just crank in what ever setting permits the engine to develop approximately its rated RPM/power wide open in level flight. Betcha you will end up tweaking the pitch at least several times until you get it exactly where you want it. Most of us did... You will note that every time you adjust the pitch, it will affect your EGT... Let the fun begin...heh, heh, heh.... Good Luck, Beauford FF #076 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ivo pitch setting > --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com > > > I spent over 2 hours looking in the archives and could not find out how > to set, or maybe I should say measure the pitch the pitch on an ivo. I did see > where some had ground or shimmed the cams. I got zero instructions from Ivo. > Guess they think I have had one before, but its my first. I have a 2 blade > 66"prop. Is there any way to set it besides trial and error? > > Ed ( in Houston) > >