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1. 02:36 AM - Re: X-country (Dave Rains)
2. 04:50 AM - Re: X-country (ronnie wehba)
3. 04:54 AM - Re: X-country (ronnie wehba)
4. 05:23 AM - Re: X-country (Rayfield, Bill)
5. 05:40 AM - Re: Firefly Question (Richard Pike)
6. 05:43 AM - Re: Firestar II banks to the right (Richard Pike)
7. 05:43 AM - Re: X-country (ronnie wehba)
8. 07:07 AM - ready to go (boyd young)
9. 07:07 AM - strall (boyd young)
10. 07:45 AM - Re: Spiderwebs & strainers (GeoR38@aol.com)
11. 07:46 AM - Help, thanks (Kelvin Kurkowski)
12. 08:06 AM - ultralight training (ul15rhb@juno.com)
13. 10:57 AM - House Paint (Wayne F.Wilson)
14. 11:53 AM - Re: Fine Scale (Larry Bourne)
15. 12:28 PM - Re: House Paint (ul15rhb@juno.com)
16. 12:35 PM - Re: Fine Scale (Bob N.)
17. 12:38 PM - Re: Help, thanks (kuffel)
18. 02:21 PM - Bank indicator (Mike Pierzina)
19. 07:39 PM - battery (Bob Bean)
20. 08:08 PM - Kolb FS gap seals.... (Jim Baker)
21. 10:14 PM - Re: Kolb FS gap seals.... (Larry Cottrell)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
I like the way this fellow thinks!
do not archive
Dave Rains
-----Original Message-----
From: ronnie wehba [SMTP:rwehba@wtxs.net]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X-country
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
nope east Texas is still 600+ the other way!
----- Original Message -----
From: <WillUribe@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X-country
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
> Sounds like East Texas to me
>
> Will Uribe
> El Paso, TX
> FireStar II N4GU
> C-172 N2506U
> http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ronnie wehba" <<A
HREF="mailto:rwehba@wtxs.net">rwehba@wtxs.net>
> To: <<A HREF="mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com">kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X-country
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <<A
HREF="mailto:rwehba@wtxs.net">rwehba@wtxs.net>
> >
> > Sweetwater about 400 miles to your east on I-20
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Rains" <<A HREF="mailto:rr@htg.net">rr@htg.net>
> > To: <<A HREF="mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com">kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: X-country
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <<A
HREF="mailto:rr@htg.net">rr@htg.net>
> > >
> > > Where in West Texas are you located?
> > > Dave Rains,
> > > El Paso
> > > do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
opp's your right wrong key it is only 980 +- miles from el paso to texakanna
----- Original Message -----
From: <DAquaNut@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X-country
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 7/24/03 2:02:52 PM Central Standard Time,
rwehba@wtxs.net
> writes:
>
> << nope east Texas is still 600+ the other way! >>
>
> Ronnie,
> If You go east on I-20 from Sweetwater 600 miles you will be near the
other
> side of Louisiana. No?
>
> Ed (In Houston)
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
have you seen it lately, he propped it at half throttle and the rest is as
we shall history,he was not in it, no one was hurt cept the kolb and a
building ouch!! Item #2424778978 ebay number have a look
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mid-State Sandblasting" <plane@rtmc.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X-country
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mid-State Sandblasting" <plane@rtmc.net>
>
> Hi Ronnie
> I mine ended up in tenn. The guy that bought it was very happy with it
> He only flew 150s before he bought it. he had no trouble switching to
> ultralights.
> Randy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X-country
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> >
> > thanks randy, if i keep it ,it will have a 84 where did yours go?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mid-State Sandblasting" <plane@rtmc.net>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X-country
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mid-State Sandblasting"
> <plane@rtmc.net>
> > >
> > > You would do better flying your mini max to the flying as the cyuna
will
> > not
> > > warn you when it is ready to burn a piston. how do I know this?
From
> > > coming out of the sky with no airport under me. The cyuna is a ok
engine
> > > when it is running. but how did it ever get its nick name killer
cyuna
> > > Put a 084 on that ultrastar and you will have a very good plane
> > >
> > > Randy in NC No longer flying the soobydoo Sold it and I
> > miss
> > > it
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Original Message -----
> > > From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> > > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kolb-List: X-country
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> > > >
> > > > Thinking about a 240 mile round trip to a fly-in on sept 12 in my
> cayuna
> > > 430 ultrastar, 6 gal gas,several stops!, have been 10-12 miles away
from
> > > airport so far, have noticed on landing it does not seem to want to
rev
> > back
> > > up very easy??. if I do a go around. my other plane is a minimax with
a
> > ao84
> > > engine 4cyl-4-stroke,,guess I am just having a rough time getting used
> to
> > a
> > > 2-stroke! any suggestions or comments welcome,ron in still hot west
> Texas.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rayfield, Bill" <brayfield@kcc.com>
I just saw this while browsing ebay. Sorry to say, it tore the hell out of
that ultrastar.
Shame.
-----Original Message-----
From: ronnie wehba [mailto:rwehba@wtxs.net]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X-country
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
have you seen it lately, he propped it at half throttle and the rest is as
we shall history,he was not in it, no one was hurt cept the kolb and a
building ouch!! Item #2424778978 ebay number have a look
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mid-State Sandblasting" <plane@rtmc.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X-country
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mid-State Sandblasting" <plane@rtmc.net>
>
> Hi Ronnie
> I mine ended up in tenn. The guy that bought it was very happy with it
> He only flew 150s before he bought it. he had no trouble switching to
> ultralights.
> Randy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X-country
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> >
> > thanks randy, if i keep it ,it will have a 84 where did yours go?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mid-State Sandblasting" <plane@rtmc.net>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X-country
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mid-State Sandblasting"
> <plane@rtmc.net>
> > >
> > > You would do better flying your mini max to the flying as the cyuna
will
> > not
> > > warn you when it is ready to burn a piston. how do I know this?
From
> > > coming out of the sky with no airport under me. The cyuna is a ok
engine
> > > when it is running. but how did it ever get its nick name killer
cyuna
> > > Put a 084 on that ultrastar and you will have a very good plane
> > >
> > > Randy in NC No longer flying the soobydoo Sold it and I
> > miss
> > > it
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Original Message -----
> > > From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> > > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Kolb-List: X-country
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> > > >
> > > > Thinking about a 240 mile round trip to a fly-in on sept 12 in my
> cayuna
> > > 430 ultrastar, 6 gal gas,several stops!, have been 10-12 miles away
from
> > > airport so far, have noticed on landing it does not seem to want to
rev
> > back
> > > up very easy??. if I do a go around. my other plane is a minimax with
a
> > ao84
> > > engine 4cyl-4-stroke,,guess I am just having a rough time getting used
> to
> > a
> > > 2-stroke! any suggestions or comments welcome,ron in still hot west
> Texas.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Question |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
At 11:48 PM 7/24/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
>
>
> Gang,
>
> Anyone have much experience flying a Quicksilver , and then transition
> to a
>firefly or firestar? Just wondering how much difference there is between
>them. I have over 100 hours in a Wizard J-3( Very similar to the Quicksilver).
>
> I understand the concept of lots of drag & the slow down fast concept
> that
>is inherent in most all ultralights. The wizard I had , mainly just mushed,
>And you would feel a slight buffeting first then it would drop the nose a
>little and resume flying again . Ive heard some on this list say that
>the Kolbs
>gave no warning at all before a stall. To me that is not a good thing.
>
> Ed (in Houston)
>
> Do Not Archive
IMO, a Kolb (MKIII anyway) stalls about the same as a Cessna 150. A little
warning, and then a definite break. Don't know about a Firefly or Firestar,
but my MKIII at partial power will nibble, nod, and recover with no stick
movement. If you push it into a full stall, it has more of a break than a
Quicksilver, about the same as a 150, and a little more than a 172 or a
Cherokee. It does have a normal warning, you can feel it getting close, and
it is a bit more abrupt than a Quicksilver, which IMO is unusually gentle.
If you were being dumb and not paying attention, it could easily bite you,
just like any other normal airplane.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar II banks to the right |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
If you put it on the bottom of the right aileron and bend it down, it will
push the aileron up, which will push the right wing down, opposite to what
you want.
Put it on the bottom of the left aileron and bend it down and see what happens.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:59 PM 7/24/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
>
>When my friend, Chuck lets his stick go, his FS II banks pretty hard to the
>right. Even starting level with full left rudder she still banks to the
>right.
> After careful inspection, we can't see any reason for this.
>
>I believe the fix is to put a trim tab on the ailerons, but where? Should it
>be mounted on the bottom of the right aileron & bent down?
>
>Shack
>FS II
>SC
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
just glad no-one was hurt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rayfield, Bill" <brayfield@kcc.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: X-country
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rayfield, Bill" <brayfield@kcc.com>
>
> I just saw this while browsing ebay. Sorry to say, it tore the hell out of
> that ultrastar.
> Shame.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ronnie wehba [mailto:rwehba@wtxs.net]
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X-country
>
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
> have you seen it lately, he propped it at half throttle and the rest is as
> we shall history,he was not in it, no one was hurt cept the kolb and a
> building ouch!! Item #2424778978 ebay number have a look
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mid-State Sandblasting" <plane@rtmc.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X-country
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mid-State Sandblasting"
<plane@rtmc.net>
> >
> > Hi Ronnie
> > I mine ended up in tenn. The guy that bought it was very happy with
it
> > He only flew 150s before he bought it. he had no trouble switching to
> > ultralights.
> > Randy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X-country
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> > >
> > > thanks randy, if i keep it ,it will have a 84 where did yours go?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mid-State Sandblasting" <plane@rtmc.net>
> > > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X-country
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mid-State Sandblasting"
> > <plane@rtmc.net>
> > > >
> > > > You would do better flying your mini max to the flying as the cyuna
> will
> > > not
> > > > warn you when it is ready to burn a piston. how do I know this?
> From
> > > > coming out of the sky with no airport under me. The cyuna is a ok
> engine
> > > > when it is running. but how did it ever get its nick name killer
> cyuna
> > > > Put a 084 on that ultrastar and you will have a very good plane
> > > >
> > > > Randy in NC No longer flying the soobydoo Sold it and
I
> > > miss
> > > > it
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> > > > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Kolb-List: X-country
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ronnie wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > Thinking about a 240 mile round trip to a fly-in on sept 12 in my
> > cayuna
> > > > 430 ultrastar, 6 gal gas,several stops!, have been 10-12 miles away
> from
> > > > airport so far, have noticed on landing it does not seem to want to
> rev
> > > back
> > > > up very easy??. if I do a go around. my other plane is a minimax
with
> a
> > > ao84
> > > > engine 4cyl-4-stroke,,guess I am just having a rough time getting
used
> > to
> > > a
> > > > 2-stroke! any suggestions or comments welcome,ron in still hot west
> > Texas.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
I'll have everything I need to survive for a
couple weeks on board the MK III. Other than an
occassional hot meal, refill of my three 1 liter
water bottles, and fuel, I am pretty much
independent to go..........
Take care,
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
john hooooooowwwwww caaaaaaannnnnn this beeeeeeeeeee..
did you install a coffee drip system on the 912s.... ;-)
boyd
ps if you invent one i want 10 % of the roalities. for coming up with the idea.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
. Ive heard some on this list say that the Kolbs
gave no warning at all before a stall. To me that is not a good thing.
Ed (in Houston)
Do Not Archive
in my mark III clean i have lots of warning before a stall.... with 20 deg flaps
i have plenty of warning.... with 40 deg of flaps there is no warning.....
but a person has to know when he is getting close to it.
boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Spiderwebs & strainers |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 7/22/03 9:15:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rwpike@charter.net writes:
> I realize that some of the "heatherns" on the list (that's how we say it in
> East Tennessee...) will roll their eyes, shake their heads and question my
> intelligence, but I prefer to acknowledge that when it gets that good it
> ain't coincidence and it ain't luck, let's just give credit where credit is
> due.
> Thanks again, Sir
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> Do Not Archive
>
Richard Pike....you are a wizard....by the Grace of God....with words!
George Randolph
Firestar Driver from Akron...soon to be The Villages in Fla
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kelvin Kurkowski" <kkurkow@chase3000.com>
I am Kelvin Kurkowski Grant NE . We are a farm/ranch family about 20mi from the
eastern CO border. I have been lurking and learning for several months now,
thanks for all the helpful info. This is my first post so let me know if I am
unaware of the correct protocol.
I have an uncle here that has flown for years, had a J-3 Cub with 85hp and a Cherokee
180. I never finished my GA license because I had ready access with him.
He recently lost his medical so we are grounded.
I have had a bit of untralite experience and have been awed by the Kolb design
for several years. I have a farmer friend and neighbor who is a A/P with lots
of GA history who has built and flown a Challenger, but then saw the Kolbs
last year at Oshkosh. He recently sold the Challenger and I am selling an old
Robertson B1RD and we are looking for a Mark III (prefer an Xtra) that is forsaken
project. We would consider a completed Mark III if we can find one priced
right. Farm boys you know, the only business man in the world who buys everything
at retail, sells everything at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways,
dah! Steve and his father have restored many taildragger Cessna, a few Aircoupes
and assorted others. He will be flying his RV to Oshkosh and maybe can
link up with some of you there. He is Steve Martens Grant NE, I'm sure he will
be looking over the Kolb's while he is there.
Thanks again for all the kindly help and the high class of pilots and personalities.
We'll keep lurking and learning. Kelvin do not archive
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| Subject: | ultralight training |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
Ed,
Believe it or not, I had 2.5 hours of training in a Quicksilver MX in 1986 with
Boris Popov, the founder of BRS.
I finished the Firestar in 1987 and had no previous flight experience outside of
a few hours in a Cessna and Piper Cherokee 140.
This was 16 years ago.
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar
--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: DAquaNut@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firefly Question
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
Gang,
Anyone have much experience flying a Quicksilver , and then transition
to a
firefly or firestar? Just wondering how much difference there is between
them. I have over 100 hours in a Wizard J-3( Very similar to the
Quicksilver).
I understand the concept of lots of drag & the slow down fast concept
that
is inherent in most all ultralights. The wizard I had , mainly just
mushed,
And you would feel a slight buffeting first then it would drop the nose a
little and resume flying again . Ive heard some on this list say that
the Kolbs
gave no warning at all before a stall. To me that is not a good thing.
Ed (in Houston)
Do Not Archive
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne F.Wilson" <wfwilson1@yahoo.ca>
A couple of years or more ago there was and article in
I believe Kit Plane about a builder who painted his
Challenger with house paint in military Navy colors
Yellow, blue, red and white striped tail. He applied
with foam rollers and foam brushes. I remember him
saying he always got comments on his great paint job.
After a few years he said it still looked good and was
easy to repair. Does anyone remember this article and
what month was it in if possible???
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Won't repeat it, but I am - uh - a little curious...................????
Grinning Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fine Scale
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
>
> The digital scale at our FailMail PO weighs in increments of 0.05 oz. In
> balancing, you need to be able to ck things for relative wt, so if the
> method/device is off a bit, no problem. Just so its accuracy/inaccuracy
> is repeatable.
>
> Down at the feed store I weigh 174, nekkid. Don't repeat this!
>
> Bob N. do not archive
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
Wayne,
I painted my Firestar with rolled and brushed on polytone. It turned out great
and if I have to repair it, no need to haul out a spray gun.
I had to roll some trim on a few weeks ago when I repaired a patch on the wing.
If polytone is rolled or brushed on, it retains a glossy look unlike a sprayed
job.
I have a friend who used latex exterior house point on his and it still looks great
after many years.
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar, 16 years flying it
--- "Wayne F.Wilson" <wfwilson1@yahoo.ca> wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Wayne F.Wilson" <wfwilson1@yahoo.ca>
A couple of years or more ago there was and article in
I believe Kit Plane about a builder who painted his
Challenger with house paint in military Navy colors
Yellow, blue, red and white striped tail. He applied
with foam rollers and foam brushes. I remember him
saying he always got comments on his great paint job.
After a few years he said it still looked good and was
easy to repair. Does anyone remember this article and
what month was it in if possible???
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." <ronoy@shentel.net>
BigLar I said not to repeat my weight-post!
Reason I went to the feed store was that the FailMail PO's scale
wouldn't hold me, and the feedstore said it'd weigh barley--which I
translated as bare-ly. Now enough of this off-topic/color rantings.
do not archive
Bob N.
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| Subject: | Re: Help, thanks |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: kuffel <kuffel@cyberport.net>
Keven (Kelvin?),
Do Not Archive.
<<uncle .. flown for years .. I never finished my GA license.. He
recently lost his medical
so we are grounded... we are looking for a Mark III>>
The bad news is, for all practical purposes, you can not currently
legally fly a Mark III Kolb without a pilot's license and a medical.
The good news is, if you can wait for the Light Sport regulations to
grind their way to enactment, your uncle can probably fly again, at
least in J-3 and Kolb style airplanes. As proposed, these regulations
would allow him to fly small, slow aircraft without a medical *IF* he
has a driver's licence *and* he is unaware of any medical condition,
temporary or chronic, which would make him unsafe to fly. Beware of the
2nd part of this "if". It will probably give full employment to a lot
of trial lawyers.
If you still want to fly without getting a pilot's licence then your
only option is to look into single place Part 103 compliant aircraft
such as the FireFly.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT 59937
Building Original FireStar
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy@lycos.com>
Hi,
I can believe nobody jumped on this......
The bank indicator I'm talking about isn't the one in GA aircraft in the TURN
COORDINATOR..
I'm talking about the one that is powered by NOTHING and is advertised right
next to the slip indicators......it seems to me that if you are in coordinated
flight you would hold the ball in the bank indicator in the center just like
the slip indicator......
Oh and by the way , I found that they Both have fluid in them...
Gotta Fly...
Mike
A slip indicator indicates the quality of a turn (coordinated
flight). No
power required, works off gravity.
A bank indicator shows the amount of turn in a particular
direction. Not
angle of bank but rate of turn. It is normally electric
driven but some are
vacuum driven.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Group,(nekkid heatherns included), yesterday my nose bowl received it's
lead implant. Today was spent welding a new battery holder. I was
reluctant to just weld one on in front of the pedals and not wanting to
haul the tanks up to the shelter on the runway. -so I have about 3/4
of a device built that can be removed in the future and has some
adjustment for different size batteries. Couldn't help myself, went
and used aircraft tubing and made it light. If I get a decent day it should
be finished and back together tomorrow. The old battery location was
a little too close to the passenger's butt anyway. -BB do not archive
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| Subject: | Kolb FS gap seals.... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@telepath.com>
Used to belong to this list a few years back but thought I'd post
something that may be of use safety wise. A bit of history first.....
From the FAA accident site...
On August 21, 1999, about 1940 Eastern Daylight Time, a
homebuilt Kolb Mark III, N6268A, was substantially damaged after
impacting terrain near Scott, Ohio. The certificated private pilot and
passenger were fatally injured. Visual meteorological conditions
prevailed and no flight plan was filed for the local flight conducted
under 14 CFR Part 91. According to witnesses, the pilot had
departed from an airstrip located on his property, heading in a
southerly direction. The airplane climbed to about 200 feet above
the ground, then leveled off. About 3 minutes later, the engine noise
began to decrease, "like he was throttling back." The airplane began
a left turn, and disappeared from view. The witness then heard the
sound of "plastic tearing, and breaking of corn stalks." A second
witness, who noticed the airplane after it passed overhead, stated
that the airplane made a "weird sound" and descended nose first
toward the ground. A resident, located about 1/2 mile southwest of
the wreckage, found a part of the airplane in a bean field, and
turned it over to the local authorities. A Federal Aviation
Administration Inspector later identified the part as a gap seal. The
gap seal was an airfoil shaped piece of plexi-glass, used to fill the
gap left in- between the wings when they are assembled. The
wreckage was retained for further examination.
Why post this? This afternoon while chasing some thermals I heard
a high pitched whine on takeoff and throughout the climbout.
Sounded like the fan belt of the Hirth may have been slipping (a
flat/poly belt) but temps were all nominal. Caught some lift to about
1500 and happened to look up at the gap seal and it had started to
move forward by about 6 inches...and still going. There probably
was no way for it to depart the airframe unless the screws attaching
the base section and the top section let loose/ripped out or
aerodynamic forces ripped it off...not a pleasant thought and entirely
possible. The old Kolb plans called for adhesive backed velcro to
hold the Lexan to the wing root fabric surfaces and it worked for
about 5 years, even in Oklahoma heat...until today. I've flown
without the gap seal before but this was entirely different. Airspeed
dropped dramatically and had to point the nose way down to keep at
40mph. Trying to hold the seal back against the wing with left hand,
stick and throttle with right hand is no fun. Got down safely but
again...it was not fun. The whine sound? That was the rear of the
gap seal having risen up to partially obscure airflow into the fan thus
the odd whine.
I'm rethinking the seal attach and will go completely mechanical.
Adhesive velcro sucks, anyway. I would seriously caution anyone
that Lexan gap seal held in place with velcro is a BAD idea for the
long term. Got away with it for awhile.......
Cheers,
Jim Baker
Elmore City, Oklahoma
J.Baker
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb FS gap seals.... |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrel@kfalls.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@telepath.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb FS gap seals....
>
> I'm rethinking the seal attach and will go completely mechanical.
> Adhesive velcro sucks, anyway. I would seriously caution anyone
> that Lexan gap seal held in place with velcro is a BAD idea for the
> long term. Got away with it for awhile.......
I too lost my gap seal on my Firestar about 250 feet above the ground.
Mine was retained in the front with bungee cords hooked in the curved part
that fit over the tubes on the front of the wing. It was flapping in the air
and making a roaring sound every time that it made its upward swing. Some of
the pieces of it broke off and were shot through the fabric of the wings and
on through the back of the fuselage after being hit by the prop. I was on
climb out and had thankfully flown the entire length of the runway just
crossing over the threshold when it let loose. At first I wasn't sure that I
would be able to make my turn to the runway, but after a bit I decided that
it would allow me to turn 180 to make the runway. You can bet that I put it
down on the numbers. Not sure what the result would have been without the
bungee in front.
After that I contacted Possums and copied his idea for a metal gap seal.
The basic idea is metal runners for your gap seal installed on each wing,
and the gap seal is slid into them. It works great, my only difficulty is
that the wings on my bird are a bit forward so there is a wider gap at the
rear of the wings than there is in front. Just enough to be a pain in the
rear. Much easier to put on and take off than the Velcro.
Larry
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