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1. 11:02 AM - 447 rotax oil (Kirk Smith)
2. 11:21 AM - Re: 447 rotax oil (possums)
3. 11:29 AM - Re: 447 rotax oil (Charles)
4. 11:41 AM - Re: 447 rotax oil (Richard Pike)
5. 11:59 AM - Re: 447 rotax oil (Edward Chmielewski)
6. 12:17 PM - New and Kolb (Dolores and Mike)
7. 01:23 PM - Re: New and Kolb (Richard Pike)
8. 03:06 PM - Re: lever (Woody)
9. 03:29 PM - Re: New and Kolb (Dolores and Mike)
10. 03:40 PM - Re: Hauck tracks (Don Gherardini)
11. 04:33 PM - Re: 447 rotax oil (ul15rhb@juno.com)
12. 05:26 PM - Re: New and Kolb (Bob Bean)
13. 05:57 PM - Re: 447 rotax oil (bryan green)
14. 06:25 PM - 230 mph Ultralight (possums)
15. 06:28 PM - fly-in (bryan green)
16. 06:54 PM - Re: New and Kolb (Don Gherardini)
17. 07:29 PM - Re: 447 rotax oil (Richard Pike)
18. 09:03 PM - Re: New and Kolb (Jack & Louise Hart)
19. 09:09 PM - Re: New and Kolb (Jack & Louise Hart)
20. 10:37 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 08/03/03 (Frank Reynen)
21. 11:48 PM - Re: New and Kolb (Dolores and Mike)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Listers,
What's a top notch oil to use in a Rotax 447 sc engine? Thanks! Kirk
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 447 rotax oil |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
At 12:15 PM 8/4/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
>Listers,
> What's a top notch oil to use in a Rotax 447 sc engine? Thanks! Kirk
>
Forbidden topics:
Politics, Religion and Oil.
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| Subject: | Re: 447 rotax oil |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Charles" <chieppa47@comcast.net>
Hi,
I use Pennzoil 2-Cycle Air Cooled Engine Oil, (stock # 4130) trick is to
make sure the oil is "Air Cooled Oil" and NOT marine 2-cycle.
Charles
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| Subject: | Re: 447 rotax oil |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Phillips Injex or Pennzoil 2 stroke oil for air cooled engines.
Either one will give good results.
Never mix oils.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 12:15 PM 8/4/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
>Listers,
> What's a top notch oil to use in a Rotax 447 sc engine? Thanks! Kirk
>
>Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 447 rotax oil |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski" <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
> Forbidden topics:
> Politics, Religion and Oil.
And Seafoam.
Do not archive.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dolores and Mike" <mikedoloresa@adelphia.net>
Hi folks, I've been interested in ultralights since first looking into them 10yrs
ago. I'm now going to purchase one(about time!)and need advice. I just went
to Oshkosh AirVenture 2003(a must see!) to check out whats new in ultralights
and found IMO Kolb's aircraft some of the best UL's there. I have also been considering
Challenger,Phantom,Quicksilver and Aerolite. As far as FAR Part 103
UL's and a newbe who would like to be satisfied with his UL's performance capabilities
long after his 'begginers' stage, would the Firefly be my best choice
or would you folks suggest another aircraft initially? Thanks for your help,I
really appreciate it.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: New and Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Bearing in mind that this is the KOLB list, and that we are not unbiased...
If I lost my medical or for some reason had to sell the MKIII
and had to go strictly Part 103, I would get a Firefly.
Period.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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At 02:16 PM 8/4/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dolores and Mike"
><mikedoloresa@adelphia.net>
>
>Hi folks, I've been interested in ultralights since first looking into
>them 10yrs ago. I'm now going to purchase one(about time!)and need advice.
>I just went to Oshkosh AirVenture 2003(a must see!) to check out whats new
>in ultralights and found IMO Kolb's aircraft some of the best UL's there.
>I have also been considering Challenger,Phantom,Quicksilver and Aerolite.
>As far as FAR Part 103 UL's and a newbe who would like to be satisfied
>with his UL's performance capabilities long after his 'begginers' stage,
>would the Firefly be my best choice or would you folks suggest another
>aircraft initially? Thanks for your help,I really appreciate it.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
s. The first disadvantage would be getting in and out
> over it. That goes into the "next year" category guys, I've got to get
> a life here.
>
It gets better. You can position the throttle past fully closed when you
get in and bring it up to position after you get comfortable.
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| Subject: | Re: New and Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dolores and Mike" <mikedoloresa@adelphia.net>
Thanks Richard. Ya...Kolb list,Kolb recommendation,I knew I was taking my
chances. But hey,it is indeed a nice aircraft! Thanks for the reply,I
appreciate it.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New and Kolb
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
>
> Bearing in mind that this is the KOLB list, and that we are not
unbiased...
>
> If I lost my medical or for some reason had to sell the MKIII
> and had to go strictly Part 103, I would get a Firefly.
> Period.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> At 02:16 PM 8/4/03 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dolores and Mike"
> ><mikedoloresa@adelphia.net>
> >
> >Hi folks, I've been interested in ultralights since first looking into
> >them 10yrs ago. I'm now going to purchase one(about time!)and need
advice.
> >I just went to Oshkosh AirVenture 2003(a must see!) to check out whats
new
> >in ultralights and found IMO Kolb's aircraft some of the best UL's there.
> >I have also been considering Challenger,Phantom,Quicksilver and Aerolite.
> >As far as FAR Part 103 UL's and a newbe who would like to be satisfied
> >with his UL's performance capabilities long after his 'begginers' stage,
> >would the Firefly be my best choice or would you folks suggest another
> >aircraft initially? Thanks for your help,I really appreciate it.
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hauck tracks |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
More Hauck Tracks....
This morning I said goodbye to a real ambassador for Kolb aircraft...John
Hauck stopped by here in central illinois to give me a familiarization ride
in his Kolb.
He dropped in sunday nite on his way south from OshKosh...overnited here
and after breakfast he basically eliminated all my questions on the
particulars of handleing a Kolb airplane. I am forever grateful to John for
his out-of-the-way effort...something I could not seem to get TNK company to
do for me.
I feel a awful lot better now about my upcoming maiden voyage in my newly
completed FireFly, and my wife is a lot less worried about my antics also!
God Bless you John Hauck, and may you have smooth air and clear skies ahead
of you for all the miles you put behind you in the beautiful and Unique Miss
P'Fer.
thankyou very , very much.
come back again next time your around, and dont keep Bailey waiting too
long!
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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| Subject: | Re: 447 rotax oil |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:11:45 -0400 "Edward Chmielewski"
<edchmiel@mindspring.com> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Edward Chmielewski"
> <edchmiel@mindspring.com>
>
>
> > Forbidden topics:
> > Politics, Religion and Oil.
>
>
> And Seafoam.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Ed in JXN
> MkII/503
Hey, Hey, let's hear it for Seafoam.
Klotz and Seafoam ...... the only way to go!
do not archive
Ralph
Original Firestar
16 years flying it
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
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| Subject: | Re: New and Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
If you like to weld, the skycycle is tough to beat for structural integrity.
-BB do not archive
Dolores and Mike wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dolores and Mike" <mikedoloresa@adelphia.net>
>
>Hi folks, I've been interested in ultralights since first looking into them 10yrs
ago. I'm now going to purchase one(about time!)and need advice. I just went
to Oshkosh AirVenture 2003(a must see!) to check out whats new in ultralights
and found IMO Kolb's aircraft some of the best UL's there. I have also been
considering Challenger,Phantom,Quicksilver and Aerolite. As far as FAR Part 103
UL's and a newbe who would like to be satisfied with his UL's performance capabilities
long after his 'begginers' stage, would the Firefly be my best choice
or would you folks suggest another aircraft initially? Thanks for your help,I
really appreciate it.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 447 rotax oil |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Pennzoil air cooled.
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: 447 rotax oil
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Listers,
> What's a top notch oil to use in a Rotax 447 sc engine? Thanks! Kirk
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | 230 mph Ultralight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
Check out the video.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/946434.asp?cp1=1
do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
In carolinasportflyers@yahoogroups.com, "John W.Davis"
<patches11us@y...> wrote:
Carolina Sport Flyers will be having there 3rd annual Fly-In on
October 17th,18th and 19th 2003 at the Lee County Airport in
Bishopville,SC http://www.airnav.com/airport/52j With Sat 18th being
the main day. Food and Drinks will be serverd on Sat 18th. Fly-in or
drive in. Dealers for U/L and light sport planes will be there. We
will have a ride to and from motels,gas station or what ever you will
need. Camping on the airport will be permited at the time of the fly-
in but Sorry No hookups at the airport. We had a great turn out last
year 19 ultralights and around 9 GA airplanes and
hope to see each and everyone who attended last year there again this
year. Be safe, have fun and thank the good Lord for letting us fly.
Everyone is welcome. SEE YA
SOON.
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
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| Subject: | Re: New and Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Mike and Dolores.....or was that Dolores and Mike?..
Anyway..
As you probably already know..the FireFly is highest performing airplane
that can be built under 254 lbs.
(that I know of)...but really its not 103 legal either because of its
speed....
You mentioned that are new...well, new to Ultralights..or new to aviation in
general?...
If you are already an expierienced GA pilot..then the FireFly is for
you....with instruction in a another kolb 1st...
If you have no stick time in any aircraft, then the FireFly will be harder
to handle than any of the other choices you mentioned... naturally because
of its performance. All the other choices you listed are fine airplane
choices.With the Challenger taking the most time to build of those...it will
take more time than a FireFly...with the others taking less...
As a newbie FireFly owner myself...I can say that it was easy to build...far
easier than I thought it would be.
(it is my 5th ultralite built)
check out my website from the below link for some building pics to give you
an idea what it takes...and then check out Jack Harts advanced builders
website.
If you have some friends who you will be flying with....you might consider
building an airplane than has a similiar performance envelope as theirs..its
a real drag to be flying a Quicksilver at 40 mph when all you buds are
cruiseing at 60 !!.....or cruising at 70 in your Firefly making circles all
the time when you Buds are all traveling at 45!
these are the simple ramblings of a new FireFly owner! and probably not
worth too much.
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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| Subject: | Re: 447 rotax oil |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
So - you like it better than prune juice & Metamucil?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 06:30 PM 8/4/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
>
>
>Hey, Hey, let's hear it for Seafoam.
>
>Klotz and Seafoam ...... the only way to go!
>
>do not archive
>
>Ralph
>Original Firestar
>16 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: New and Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 09:00 PM 8/4/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
>Mike and Dolores.....or was that Dolores and Mike?..
>
>Anyway..
>
>As you probably already know..the FireFly is highest performing airplane
>that can be built under 254 lbs.
>(that I know of)...but really its not 103 legal either because of its
>speed....
>
Don and Mike,
Just because a FireFly will fly faster than 63 mph does not mean that it does not
meet 103 requirements. What is important is that the FireFly meets basic design
requirements. They are weight at or below 254 pounds empty, five gallon
fuel capacity, a 447 engine requires a calculated FireFly drag factor of at least
12.5, and a wing loading of about four pounds per square foot with flaps.
If all of these requirements are met under AC 103-7 Appendix 1, 2, 3 & 4, you
are defined as legal no matter how fast your FireFly will go in level flight.
There is some wiggle room in drag factor calculations, but with a 447 one must
fly with your upper body exposed, and one cannot fair in the landing gear legs.
But if one used a 33 hp engine, one could completely enclose the cockpit area,
fair in the landing gear legs and the tires plus other items as well.
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: New and Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart <jbhart@ldd.net>
At 09:00 PM 8/4/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
>Mike and Dolores.....or was that Dolores and Mike?..
>
>Anyway..
>
>As you probably already know..the FireFly is highest performing airplane
>that can be built under 254 lbs.
>(that I know of)...but really its not 103 legal either because of its
>speed....
Don & Mike,
I hit the wrong key and sent the reply early.
If you would like to see the calculations required to determine if your FireFly
meets Part 103 regulations, you can view a sample of what I put together for
my FireFly at:
http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/fireflylegal.html
I asked an A&E to sign the front cover, and I carry a copy with me when I go to
air shows. You have to prove that the FireFly meets the requirements, and this
is considered as proof.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Jackson, MO
Jack & Louise Hart
jbhart@ldd.net
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 08/03/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Frank Reynen" <frank_reynen@ix.netcom.com>
Mike,
After my second trip and rip I took a thin alum. plate about 3 inch square
and drilled a hole in the middle for the cable housing to pass through
and glued this plate on the inside of the cabin fabric using Politone glue
and then cut out a 5 inch square piece of HS-90 and glued it over the plate
I have tripped over the cable many more times but never again encountered a
rip.
Hope this helps.
Frank Reynen
Kolb mkIII /912 on Lotus floats
www.webcom.com/reynen
> the cables to the carbs would work good at getting a tight enough bend to
run
> the brake cable up the axle and avoid the dreaded "TRIPPING , RIPPING ,
LOOPS"
> ...... I know there are others that have ripped their fabric too.....
> I'm working on installing an airspeed indicator right
now..... but
> I'll be changing over the brake cable soon. One good thing is , the cable
will
> be shorter so it can be done with just a little cutting of the existing
set-up....just
> thought I'd share the Idea.
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike in MN FSII 503
injected,3-66"IVO
> ,GPL ,EIS
>
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| Subject: | Re: New and Kolb |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dolores and Mike" <mikedoloresa@adelphia.net>
Thanks Don, I would consider myself a newbie since it's been 10yrs ago that
I ran out of money before completing my pilots license. I like the idea that
the Firefly will keep my interest as my flying skills advance. I was
thinking of a 'quick build' kit if not purchasing a pre-owned model. But
then again building it myself(with help I'm sure)sounds like a great way to
be thoroughly familiar with ones aircraft. Thanks for the link and your
reply,I appreciate it.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New and Kolb
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Mike and Dolores.....or was that Dolores and Mike?..
>
> Anyway..
>
> As you probably already know..the FireFly is highest performing airplane
> that can be built under 254 lbs.
> (that I know of)...but really its not 103 legal either because of its
> speed....
>
> You mentioned that are new...well, new to Ultralights..or new to aviation
in
> general?...
>
> If you are already an expierienced GA pilot..then the FireFly is for
> you....with instruction in a another kolb 1st...
>
> If you have no stick time in any aircraft, then the FireFly will be harder
> to handle than any of the other choices you mentioned... naturally because
> of its performance. All the other choices you listed are fine airplane
> choices.With the Challenger taking the most time to build of those...it
will
> take more time than a FireFly...with the others taking less...
>
> As a newbie FireFly owner myself...I can say that it was easy to
build...far
> easier than I thought it would be.
> (it is my 5th ultralite built)
>
> check out my website from the below link for some building pics to give
you
> an idea what it takes...and then check out Jack Harts advanced builders
> website.
>
> If you have some friends who you will be flying with....you might consider
> building an airplane than has a similiar performance envelope as
theirs..its
> a real drag to be flying a Quicksilver at 40 mph when all you buds are
> cruiseing at 60 !!.....or cruising at 70 in your Firefly making circles
all
> the time when you Buds are all traveling at 45!
>
> these are the simple ramblings of a new FireFly owner! and probably not
> worth too much.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> Don Gherardini-
> FireFly 098
>
>
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