---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/05/03: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:13 AM - Re: New and Kolb (Dolores and Mike) 2. 04:49 AM - cracked muffler (Airgriff2@aol.com) 3. 06:39 AM - Re: cracked muffler (Richard Pike) 4. 09:12 AM - 447 rotax oil (Kirk Smith) 5. 09:59 AM - Thank you Mr. Pike (Woody) 6. 10:29 AM - New To List Like It Already (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com) 7. 10:32 AM - Need Gear Leg : (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com) 8. 11:16 AM - Flight to Oshkosh (John Hauck) 9. 11:46 AM - Oshkosh (Christopher J Armstrong) 10. 11:58 AM - Re: Oshkosh (J.D. Stewart) 11. 12:23 PM - full flap sped (boyd young) 12. 12:27 PM - Re: 447 rotax oil (Bruce n' Kathy) 13. 12:46 PM - Re: Flight to Oshkosh (John Hauck) 14. 01:04 PM - Re: ready to go (John Hauck) 15. 01:08 PM - Re: Hauck tracks (John Hauck) 16. 01:14 PM - Re: Hauck tracks (John Hauck) 17. 01:42 PM - Re: Oshkosh (Christopher J Armstrong) 18. 02:34 PM - Re: Hauck tracks (Kirk Smith) 19. 06:00 PM - Re: full flap sped (Dallas Shepherd) 20. 06:32 PM - head set (bryan green) 21. 06:58 PM - Re: 447 rotax oil (Eugene Zimmerman) 22. 07:03 PM - 3 River Flyin (Andy Bondy) 23. 07:23 PM - Re: 447 rotax oil (ul15rhb@juno.com) 24. 08:58 PM - Re: 447 rotax oil (Richard Pike) 25. 10:07 PM - Re: head set (Mhqqqqq@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:37 AM PST US From: "Dolores and Mike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New and Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dolores and Mike" Thanks Jack,great info,I appreciate it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack & Louise Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New and Kolb > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart > > At 09:00 PM 8/4/03 -0500, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > > > >Mike and Dolores.....or was that Dolores and Mike?.. > > > >Anyway.. > > > >As you probably already know..the FireFly is highest performing airplane > >that can be built under 254 lbs. > >(that I know of)...but really its not 103 legal either because of its > >speed.... > > Don & Mike, > > I hit the wrong key and sent the reply early. > > If you would like to see the calculations required to determine if your FireFly meets Part 103 regulations, you can view a sample of what I put together for my FireFly at: > > http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/fireflylegal.html > > I asked an A&E to sign the front cover, and I carry a copy with me when I go to air shows. You have to prove that the FireFly meets the requirements, and this is considered as proof. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Jackson, MO > > > Jack & Louise Hart > jbhart@ldd.net > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:35 AM PST US From: Airgriff2@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: cracked muffler --> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com During rutine preflight I noticed a discoloration from exhaust on the front of my muffler where the pipe attaches to it. Looking closer, I found it to be cracked around the outside of the weld. It seemed to be cracked most all the way around except an 1/8" here and there still holding things together. My 618 is mounted on lord engine mounts which allows it to vibrate quite a bit and the muffler is mounted with rubber mounts which makes a fairly solid connection to the plate to which it is mounted. What I'm trying to say is the engine moves alot and the muffler does not. This may have contributed to the cracking ? I was wondering if any of you on the list have used more of a shock mount on your mufflers, or are they all pretty much mounted with the rubber grommets? The muffler, y, and elbow had benn recoated over the winter, so all the connections were free and coated with never sieze. Thanks in advance for any comments. Fly safe Bob Griffin ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:01 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: cracked muffler --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike This in not terribly unusual for Rotax mufflers. Several of the locals (including me) that use a sidemount muffler have eventually had some sort of cracking along the outside of the cone curve or where it joins the muffler or both at once. I think this is partly from mounting loads but more from the pressure pulses going around the curve in the cone and concentrating repeated stresses along the outside weld as they make the curve. It was partly for that reason that I went to the rear mounted (Quicksilver) style pipe on my MKIII. Mounting the muffler closer to the engine's center of motion reduces vibratory stress on the attachments and joints, and the straight cone receives less concentrated pulse stresses along just one weld. As part of this modification I changed the attachments to eliminate the standard springs and the worry that they might break and go through the prop. Hopefully, these mods will improve reliability. Pictures available at http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg2.htm Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 07:48 AM 8/5/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com > >During rutine preflight I noticed a discoloration from exhaust on the front >of my muffler where the pipe attaches to it. Looking closer, I found it to be >cracked around the outside of the weld. It seemed to be cracked most all the >way around except an 1/8" here and there still holding things >together. My 618 >is mounted on lord engine mounts which allows it to vibrate quite a bit and >the muffler is mounted with rubber mounts which makes a fairly >solid connection >to the plate to which it is mounted. What I'm trying to say is the engine >moves alot and the muffler does not. This may have contributed to the >cracking ? >I was wondering if any of you on the list have used more of a shock mount on >your mufflers, or are they all pretty much mounted with the rubber grommets? >The muffler, y, and elbow had benn recoated over the winter, so all the >connections were free and coated with never sieze. > >Thanks in advance for any comments. >Fly safe >Bob Griffin > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:31 AM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Kolb-List: 447 rotax oil --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" Ok guys thanks! Looks like Pennzoil air cooled is my choice. Got a lot to learn about these 2 strokes now. Kirk ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:51 AM PST US From: "Woody" Subject: Kolb-List: Thank you Mr. Pike --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" I did a test flight of the totem pole today and I can not believe the difference in handling. I took Padre Pikes idea of moving the aileron control rods inward an inch. Almost feels like power steering. In it's original configuration I could hardly move the ailerons. Much harder than a standard MK111. I would recomend this mod to anyone. Perhaps only moving 3/4 inch would be enough. Before you do it be aware that you will have to lengthen the aileron rods but if you are almost bottoming out at the fitting then it will just be a matter of unscrewing the fitting a bit. I noticed another peculiarity on the Club plane last week while doing more testing. It flys straight. No left turn tendancy. What the heck did I do wrong Light ailerons and no left turn. It can't be a Kolb :) Just got back from Osh. I am beginnning to remove my 582 and ready to install my Jabi. Should be fun. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:50 AM PST US From: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: New To List Like It Already --> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com Hi all ... I have a Firestar KX and am kearning more and more ... Any one have a Video from an in plane camera showing Landing procedures ??? Thanks ... Dave ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:15 AM PST US From: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Need Gear Leg : ( --> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com Any one out there have A 1-1/4 Firestar II Leg for sale ....... Thanks ... Dave ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:44 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Kolb-List: Flight to Oshkosh --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Hi All: Got home, after 11 days, from my flight up through Michigan, the UP, Oshkosh, corn and bean fields of Illinois, the mountains and trees of Tennessee and Alabama. My timing, by chance of course, could not have been better. Ten miles north of Gantt International Airport I hit rain. Luckily, it was the tail end of a big thunderstorm and rainstorm that was on its way south out of my area. Landed about 1800. That's 6 o'clock PM, National Guard time. Departed home at noon 25 Jul. RON Kolb Factory, London, KY. Flew 10,000 to 12,000 feet ASL for most of the flight to take advantage of a 10 to 15 mph tailwind, rather than a headwind. 26 Jul, flew to Mentone, Indiana. Stopped briefly to visit the Popular Rotorcraft Convention. Was a fish out of water amongst the rotor heads, so departed for Michigan after a couple hour, or less, visit. Found Rick Nielsen's airstrip west of Lansing with no problem. Wind was blistering out of the west, so decided to take a rain check on landing there. After buzzing his house two or three times, got no response, and headed for Linden, MI. Had RON'd Linden in my Firestar in 1989. Hoping, expecting, to see the same airport I had flown out of, did not happen. The old T hanger I slept in with my Firestar had been bulldozed. The old "character" airfield was undergoing a makeover into a new air park. Considered staying at Linden for the night. Not a living soul around. Decided to see if I could find Kirk "Snuffy" Smith's airstrip. Shortly thereafter, I found Snuffy's airstrip, where I RON'd. Snuf was not at home, but it was nearing darkness, so decided this was a good secure place to stay amongst the mosquitoes. A short flight up the road on 27 Jul got me to Gaylord, where my Primary I instructor pilot in Army Rotary Wing School lives. He kicked me out of the next for my very first solo in a Hughes TH-55 (Mattel Mecherscmidt) helicopter. 28 Jul was a short 60 mile flight to St Ignace, MI. Upon arrival I discovered John Williamson's airplane and tent. John was still in the sack, but a flew orbits above the airport got him out of the tent and on to his feet. If you read John's recent email of the trip, you know the rest of the story as far as Oshkosh. Just used a protractor to compute the miles we flew along Whitefish Bay and the south shore of Lake Superior: approximately 120 miles of low level, on the deck, mostly over crystal clear water, flying. Had a great visit with Scott Trask and friends. A couple more flights through this AO and I will be a true "red neck" Uper. I love the area and the people. Departed Oshkosh for Sullivan, IL, Sunday about 1550 (2:50 o'clock NG time), ten minutes before they closed Whitman Field for the daily airshow. After refueling at my regular stop, Jolliet, IL, I was on again/off again flying to Sullivan or home. Depended on how severe the rain storms and thunder storms were. Dodging in and out, and around them, I finally got clear sailing into Shelby County Airport, IL. RON with Don G and family. Got up early, drank coffee and BS'd, ate breakfast and BS'd, flew Don in the Mark III and BS'd, until we finally got refueled and I was on my way south again. Stopped off at Lake Barclay State Park Airport so I could eat a great meal at the lodge. They have telephone, dial "0" for the desk, and a van will be there shortly to pick you up and take you to lunch. From Lake Barclay to Lawrenceville, TN, for fuel. Then another two hours and I was landing in the rain at Gant International about 1800. A great flight, 36 hours total. Aprx'ly 2,700 sm and 180 gal of fuel (estimate). Miss P'fer ("P" fer plane) and the ROTAX 912S performed impeccably the entire flight. I'm old fashioned and my pictures will take a few days to get developed. When the get back I will post for your edification and hopefully, your enjoyment. Take care, john h Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:03 AM PST US From: "Christopher J Armstrong" Subject: Kolb-List: Oshkosh --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher J Armstrong" I AM Back from Oshkosh as well. Most interesting things for me were the Ultravair, a 1/3 corvair ultralight engine. Somewhat similar to a 1/2 VW but lighter and with a bit more power, but probably a bit more work to do to convert it. www.ultravair.com and the 8 cylinder radial cam RADCAM engine being developed by Earthstar aircraft designer Mark Bierely. It is projected to make 60 HP and weigh around 65 pounds ready to run. It should have decent fuel burn as well due to the high piston dwell at top dead center that the cam profile provides. http://www.rad-cam.com/ Also a really amusing VTOL craft was on display. I predict a very short first flight ending in a spectacular upside down landing and massive carnage. (Well it looks like it is unstable and uncontrollable in hover anyway) http://www.amvaircraft.com/ and then there was the startubes that were installed on the rotorway helicopter engines that did some magic to the fuel vaporization and improved engine power and reduced fuel flow. www.startube.com (this website is locked up right now.... I assume they will fix it when they get back from Oshkosh. Got to see one ultralight crash on the road at the north end of the runway, have not heard how the pilot is, anybody know? Topher ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:23 AM PST US From: "J.D. Stewart" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Oshkosh --> Kolb-List message posted by: "J.D. Stewart" Pilot and large passenger walked away. From my vantage point, it looked like he was mushing the whole way out of the runway. Fortunately, he was good enough to plant it on the road instead of the house on one side and the vehicles on the other side. Did you see the factory CGS Hawk break its gear and finish its landing on its belly minutes after the first crash? Chuck was pretty torqued that the demo pilot didn't use flaps for that landing. J.D. Stewart UltraFun AirSports http://www.ultrafunairsports.com FlyChallenger E-mail list and Website Administrator http://challenger.inebraska.com TitanAircraft e-mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Titanaircraft/ > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher J Armstrong" > > > > I AM Back from Oshkosh as well. > > Got to see one ultralight crash on the road at the north end of the > runway, have not heard how the pilot is, anybody know? > > Topher > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:51 PM PST US From: "boyd young" Subject: Kolb-List: full flap sped --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Raeburn I have a Kolb Mk III (582). Does anyone know the max. speed for flying with the flaps fully extended? =============================================== i asked kolb the same question and was told that if you could pull the handel it is safe to fly. as for me i generaly fly at 70 with full flaps. boyd ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:18 PM PST US From: "Bruce n' Kathy" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 447 rotax oil --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bruce n' Kathy" You mean I cant use wall mart marine any more? Jus KIdding! I really have yet to have anyone explain the major diffence, but if someone has can they send off list,, NO More SEAFOAM!!!!! Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:49 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight to Oshkosh --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck Hi Ya'll: Guess you know I am back by the one msg I have posted with all the typos. I think it might be faster to proof read than go back and correct all the errors. Anyhow, I was poking a little fun at our NG boys (I started my military career in the Florida NG while in High School) and ended up with an error in my time. No problem. It is not important. Have fun and try to see if you can interpret what I really meant.................and find all the typos. :-) Take care, john h (Still recuperating from all the fun I had at OSH. Heading for the couch and a well deserved nap.) DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:23 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ready to go --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > john hooooooowwwwww caaaaaaannnnnn this beeeeeeeeeee.. > > did you install a coffee drip system on the 912s.... ;-) > > boyd Boyd/All: Boyd pokes fun at me because, after sharing meals for three days at Monument Valley, he knows how much I appreciate my morning coffee, lunch coffee, afternoon coffee, and, of course, evening coffee. I don't have a dripolator on the 912S, but I do carry a pack stove and Folgers coffee bags. The system works good and makes good coffee. Usually, unless weathered in or stranded, I don't go to the trouble to get out the stove and coffee bags. I'll fly until I find a pot of good, strong, hot coffee. Flew from East of Albuquerque to Aztec. Got a small styrofoam cup of coffee there. Flew the rest of the way to Monument Valley before I got the rest of my coffee ration, about 4 hours flight time. Tough on an old guy.......... john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:44 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hauck tracks --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Went out to the barn yesterday to check things over after getting home from vacation and found an empty Meal Ready to Eat pack laying on the picnic table. Kirk Kirk/All: Sorry I missed you. But thanks for the use of your airstrip and the nicely mowed area on the north west side of the parking pad. I took a picture of Miss P'fer sitting on your airstrip. Will post as soon as I get the film to town and get the prints back. Thanks again for use of your campground. BTW: You have nice neighbors. They were very interested in my airplane. I got to meet the VN Vet who lost his eyesight during the war. I think it was a very admirable thing for you to construct a running track so he could jog by himself. I unique idea, setup, and I know it took a lot of work to complete. I also know that he truly enjoys the freedom of running on his own with no outside assistance. Good work! john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:26 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hauck tracks --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > More Hauck Tracks.... > > This morning I said goodbye > Don Gherardini- Don/All: You are more than welcome for the intro flight in my MK III. It is always a pleasure to fly someone who is genuinely interested in the airplane and how it flies. I wish you would post a picture of my new friend Bailey, a huge Chocolate Lab with a heart of gold. Bailey's job, among perimeter defense and home security, is to go out to the mail box, by himself, and fetch the morning paper. You will never see a big giant of a dog so happy to perform his morning mission. Bailey and I agreed that he could come live with me, but he had to decline because he is afraid of heights and would not get in the airplane. Xin loi! I did have a good flight yesterday. Made it home with only three op stops, one for fuel, one for lunch, and :-) one for me.......... john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:37 PM PST US From: "Christopher J Armstrong" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Oshkosh --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Christopher J Armstrong" Pilot and large passenger walked away. From my vantage point, it looked like he was mushing the whole way out of the runway. Fortunately, he was good enough to plant it on the road instead of the house on one side and the vehicles on the other side. Did you see the factory CGS Hawk break its gear and finish its landing on its belly minutes after the first crash? Chuck was pretty torqued that the demo pilot didn't use flaps for that landing. I was on my bike headed out the gate and heard it then turned around to see it. Took a picture if anybody is interested. Watched the emergency guys for a few minutes and then headed down to the forums to here Burt Rutan talk. Missed the hawk splat. The previous day there was a trike on an amphibious boat that did a roll over. That plane head a coaxial counter rotating prop on it on a 582 engine. Took a picture if anybody is interested. Not sure what the point is of having two props on one engine but may increase static thrust a bit. They have a web site: www.ramphosusa.com Topher ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:47 PM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Hauck tracks --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" John, Sure wish I'd been here to meet you and Miss P-fer. Got home the next afternoon. You're more than welcome. The little travel trailer is there to use also but I noticed the cushions were out of it. Sorry the runway was such high weeds, had been gone for 4 weeks. Looking forward to getting that pic of Miss P-fer sitting on my runway......:o) Kirk Do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:58 PM PST US From: "Dallas Shepherd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: full flap sped --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dallas Shepherd" I had my Mark 111, w/582, marked at indicated 70mph, or below. Dallas Shepherd Norfork, Arkansas -------Original Message------- From: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Kolb-List: full flap sped --> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Raeburn I have a Kolb Mk III (582). Does anyone know the max. speed for flying with the flaps fully extended? =============================================== i asked kolb the same question and was told that if you could pull the handel it is safe to fly. as for me i generaly fly at 70 with full flaps. boyd . ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:40 PM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Kolb-List: head set --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" Hey guys I'm looking for a head set and push to talk button (for stick) I have an Icom, what and where do you recommend? Bryan Green (Elgin SC) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:57 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 447 rotax oil --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman Richard Pike wrote: > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > So - you like it better than prune juice & Metamucil? > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > The preacher's way with words calling Klotz and Seafoam a bunch of Bull Poop : ) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:10 PM PST US From: "Andy Bondy" Subject: Kolb-List: 3 River Flyin --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Andy Bondy" Rick, The Fly-in you were asking us (Woody and myself) about at Oshkosh is in Three Rivers, Mich. on Labour Day weekend. The url to the info is : http://www.aerosports.org/Docs/who.htm Andy Bondy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: up and away (again) : --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Rick & Martha Neilsen" : : Woody : : Do you have any information on that fly-in in Michigan. : I haven't heard anything about it or even were it is. : : Rick Neilsen : Redrive VW powered MKIII : : : : : : : : : ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 447 rotax oil From: ul15rhb@juno.com --> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:58:00 -0400 Eugene Zimmerman writes: > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > The preacher's way with words calling Klotz and Seafoam a bunch of > Bull > Poop Gene, Use what you want. I have seen the difference between synthetic oil and mineral Pennzoil on another 447 in an Original Firestar like mine. My 447 will continue using Klotz synthetic with an occasional Seafoam treatment. No doubt about it. I like the idea of it running reliably well for many years to come :) Ralph Burlingame Original Firestar 16 years flying it The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:50 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 447 rotax oil --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike No, No, Grasshopper! It is not Bull Poop we seek, it is regularity... Which reminds me, I need to add a little Seafoam... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Do Not Archive At 09:58 PM 8/5/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Eugene Zimmerman > > >Richard Pike wrote: > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike > > > > So - you like it better than prune juice & Metamucil? > > > > Richard Pike > > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > >The preacher's way with words calling Klotz and Seafoam a bunch of Bull >Poop : >) ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:50 PM PST US From: Mhqqqqq@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: head set --> Kolb-List message posted by: Mhqqqqq@aol.com I got something called lightspeed. it came with a patch for a push to talk. I got the momentary button (the push to talk button) at radio shack and put it in myself. it works great. my icom is a icom sport. mark southern mn