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1. 03:58 AM - Re: Hearth Vs. Hirth ()
2. 04:28 AM - Re: FireFlys Maiden Flight! (Airgriff2@aol.com)
3. 05:38 AM - Re: Travelin' Lar...... message of Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:56:18 -0700 (Larry Bourne)
4. 05:38 AM - Re: Possum message of Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:56:18 -0700 (Larry Bourne)
5. 06:08 AM - Re: Possum message of Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:56:18 -0700 (Larry Bourne)
6. 09:03 AM - Re: Hearth Vs. Hirth (Jim Baker)
7. 09:55 AM - Re: Hearth Vs. Hirth (John Hauck)
8. 02:48 PM - wings (bryan green)
9. 03:28 PM - Re: wings (george murphy)
10. 03:38 PM - Re: wings (Woody)
11. 03:39 PM - Re: Travelin' Lar...... message of Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:56:18 -0700 (Woody)
12. 04:44 PM - Landing Gear Spindle Specs (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com)
13. 04:48 PM - Re: wings (bryan green)
14. 04:49 PM - Re: wings (bryan green)
15. 05:18 PM - Re: wings (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com)
16. 06:01 PM - Re: New Engine for FireStar (MEMATUZAK@aol.com)
17. 06:16 PM - Re: FireFlys Maiden Flight! (Go5for4@aol.com)
18. 06:35 PM - Re: New Engine for FireStar (Ken W Korenek)
19. 06:44 PM - bugs (Bob Bean)
20. 07:11 PM - Who are you people? (John Williamson)
21. 07:15 PM - parts list for 1985 Firestar (george murphy)
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Hearth Vs. Hirth |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: <BMWBikeCrz@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List:Hearth Vs. Hirth
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
>
> Boy was I tired when I posted thay one :
> ) still cant figure out why the
> firestar pulls to the left ... Dave
Dave,
I would think the left turn tendancy under power would be expected from the
engine and props P factor. Just like a General Aviation aircraft needs right
rudder to keep it straight especially on climb out.
What I can't figure out is why my Mk-3 needs left rudder to fly straight
under power, seems bass ackwards to me. The pusher configuration and gearbox
should give us the same effect as a tractor mounted non reduction engine.
Wouldn't you think?
Sincerely,
Denny (cornfused and sick of rain) Rowe
Mk-3 N616DR, 2SI 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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| Subject: | Re: FireFlys Maiden Flight! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
Don, What a beautiful job you have done on you aircraft and congratulations
on your first flight. I was at the Kolb fly in last fall and saw what you had
on the trailer and all of those parts in boxes. What a transformation ! "IT's
ALIVE".
Fly Safe
Bob Griffin
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| Subject: | Re: Travelin' Lar...... message of Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:56:18 |
-0700
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Man, you better fast for 3 days 'fore you go there...............Dixie's one
fine cook.................I gave thought to kidnapping her, but I t'ink
Mike's a little too husky to handle. She'd prob'ly squawk, too. :-)
They sure have a nice place there on the mountaintop in West Virginia, and
built the whole thing themselves. Impressive ! ! !..........and we had a
great visit. (The blackberry cobbler was complete with ice cream) They
even have their own airstrip. (So does Bob Bean, for that matter, and a
loco dog, too. :-) ) Mike's FireStar is absolutely immaculate - as is
everything else he owns.............I was afraid to even touch it. As far
as pics today went, there were T'storms the whole way over to the Cheapeake,
and pouring rain and fog. No pics. Been like that ever since Lake
Ontario. Without the GPS, I'd a never found my way to the tire people, and
back down and across the Bay bridge. Headin' South Lar. (Urp)
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <rowedl@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Travelin' Lar...... message of Sun, 10 Aug 2003
23:56:18 -0700
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: <rowedl@highstream.net>
>
> Mike,
> We have got to get together when I get my 40hrs flown off, homemade bread
> and blackberry cobler, Whoooeeee! I am in!!!
> Denny Rowe
> Mk-3 Leechburg, PA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike and Dixie Shackelford <dixieshack@webtv.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Travelin' Lar...... message of Sun, 10 Aug 2003
> 23:56:18 -0700
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie
> Shackelford)
> >
> > Big Lar left here this AM heading for Baltimore, Md. to visit in
> > person, the suppliers of his 19" chrome wheels on the Dodge. He spent
> > two days and nites with us here on Bunner's Ridge and sampled some of
> > Dixie's homemade bread, pepperoni rolls and blackberry cobbler, and took
> > us on a tour through the archives contained on his Sony laptop.
> > I expect the Cummins is humming to Lar along I-68 east of
> > Morgantown, WV right now, with Lar watching his GPS, Nikon in hand and
> > watching for photo ops along with keeping an eye on the traffic. Get
> > some shots of Sideling Hill, Lar......
> > His trip home tentatively involves heading south out of Baltimore
> > through Virginia and the Outer Banks or North Carolina, South Carolina,
> > maybe west toward Tennessee and maybe not, then south making a loop
> > through Florida, into Lousy Anna, Texas.....and I can't remember beyond
> > that. Ooops, he wants to see John in Alabama and pat Miss P'Fer on the
> > nose again.
> > Look out, world, Lar's on the loose!!!
> >
> > Have a great trip Larry, we enjoyed your company.
> >
> > Mike and Dixie in West Virginia
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Possum message of Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:56:18 -0700 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Talk serious and see what I get..................sheesh ! ! ! Big Lar
in Salisbury, MD...........on the Chesapeake. Lookin' for BlueFish
tomorrow, and Kitty Hawk the day after. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Possum message of Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:56:18 -0700
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
>
> At 08:57 AM 8/11/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie
> >Shackelford)
> >
> >Possum, could you send your phone # to my email address ?? I'll be in
> >your area in a couple of days. Lar. Do not
> >Archive.
>
> Lar who? Not "the" Larry? Not "gogittum" Larry?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Possum message of Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:56:18 -0700 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Wait a minute...................I resemble that remark ! ! ! From THIS
end, it seems like people ask me about visiting...................AFTER I've
gone thru their area. Got another one this morning from Baltimore - which I
went thru yesterday. In Michigan, they all went and hid. Some baloney
about going to look at airplanes, I think they said. Yah, shore. Thanks
to Bob Bean, Bob Noyer, and Mike Shackleford for standing fast and doing the
right thing. See - the ol' Lar ain't ALL bad. I dunno about that "craz-ed"
either. "Craz-y" maybe ?? :-) Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Harris" <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Possum message of Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:56:18 -0700
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Harris"
<rharris@magnolia-net.com>
>
> Yea Possums, I would be very careful giving any information to this guy
Lar,
> wondering around the country the way he is, only reporting in AFTER he has
> left a place, and not really telling where is going.. Not only that but
the
> guy is from California. This is the place that has almost 200 folks
running
> for Governor as we speak...
>
> Shoot I can see the APB now..Crazed A/C man terrorizing the U. S. in a big
> Dodge Cummins diesel pulling a V bottom ( aka Yankee ) boat to all points
> known to Kolb drivers. BOTLO (be on the look out ) suspect is armed with
> digital camera and spinning reels. Should be considered *&
> %$#
> ((*&+@@!#*&)(&&
> but don't hold that against him.
>
>
> Richard Harris
> MK3 N912RH
> Lewisville, Arkansas
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "possums" <possums@mindspring.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Possum message of Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:56:18 -0700
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums <possums@mindspring.com>
> >
> > At 08:57 AM 8/11/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: dixieshack@webtv.net (Mike and Dixie
> > >Shackelford)
> > >
> > >Possum, could you send your phone # to my email address ?? I'll be in
> > >your area in a couple of days. Lar. Do not
> > >Archive.
> >
> > Lar who? Not "the" Larry? Not "gogittum" Larry?
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Hearth Vs. Hirth |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Baker" <jlbaker@telepath.com>
> I would think the left turn tendancy under power would be expected
> from the engine and props P factor. Just like a General Aviation
> aircraft needs right rudder to keep it straight especially on climb
> out.
Partially...and the fact that the rotational vortex of the pusher is
clockwise (looking from aft of acft) thus impinging vertical stab on
right causing left rudder application to compensate. Notice that the
plans never call for vertical stab offset and then take a look at other
gerneral aviation aircraft's vertical stab and you'll see the off set
designed into the aircraft. I asked Kolb about this when building but
was waived off from incorporating any offset. Should have done it
anyway.
J.Baker
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Hearth Vs. Hirth |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Notice that the
> plans never call for vertical stab offset and then take a look at other
> gerneral aviation aircraft's vertical stab and you'll see the off set
> designed into the aircraft. I asked Kolb about this when building but
> was waived off from incorporating any offset. Should have done it
> anyway.
>
> J.Baker
J. Baker/All:
Check the Kolb List Archives. Probably find info
on my experimentation with offset leading edge,
vert stab. For many years tried to get old Kolb
to do the experimentation to save the drilling and
riveting of my airplane. After about 850 hours
of flying about a half bubble out, I decided to
bite the bullet and do my own. Tried 3/4 inch and
finally 1 3/8 inch offset. Helped some. Many
hours later discovered the offset was useless and
shortened the life of the upper vertical
stabilizer tremendously. How did I find out?
Lost my one rib bay wide trim tab on takeoff. MK
III did a great big yaw to the left. When I
landed I discovered the rudder trim tab missing.
That told me the mod to the vert stab was
ineffective. Started experimenting with rudder
trim tab again. Started out 3 rib bays wide. Too
much, overkill. Cut down to 2 rib bays wide.
Ahhhhhhh............just right!!! First time I
ever flew my MK III without a lot of right pedal
to offset left yaw tendancy. I believe as a
result of the offset, the vert stab came apart on
two occasions in short succession.
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
I am buying a Fire star one with five rib wings and 377. when I looked at it and
we folded the wings I heard something rolling around inside the wing(maybe rivets).
There is no inspection panels in the wings but they look good, what can
some of you more experienced Kolbers tell me about this?
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy <geomurphy@direcway.com>
Bryan, Just this past weekend I removed the covering from a 1985 Firestar
with the 5 rib setup and found several things that were rolling around in
there. There were sounds coming from the tubes that sounded like B-Bs. It
was just pieces of zillions of rivets that come apart when it was first
built(Normal). Then I found outboard braces connecting the wing-bow had
come apart on both wings where a one rivet attaches it to the spar. I also
found that these pieces had been loose for a long time because they had
vibrated against another tube brace and practically cut it in half. If you
tap the underside of the outboard tips of your wings and hear a
metal-to-metal sound you may have the same problem. I found several pop
tops from 1985 and they were most probably Budweiser. Then there were the
dirt dobbers mud nest. Now if they come loose you will hear a real racket
that doesn't sound quite like the rivet sound. If you really want see inside
the wing just pull back some fabric at the inboard wing bracket where it
attaches to the cage. You can see a lot from one end looking down to the
other end. If you see an old beer can or something that doesn't belong in
there, better suspect broken parts and a world of grief.
From experience, George Murphy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan green
Subject: Kolb-List: wings
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
I am buying a Fire star one with five rib wings and 377. when I looked at it
and we folded the wings I heard something rolling around inside the
wing(maybe rivets). There is no inspection panels in the wings but they look
good, what can some of you more experienced Kolbers tell me about this?
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
It's probably rivits or stones picked up through the front spar tube as it
was being moved with the wings folded.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: wings
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>
> I am buying a Fire star one with five rib wings and 377. when I looked at
it and we folded the wings I heard something rolling around inside the
wing(maybe rivets). There is no inspection panels in the wings but they look
good, what can some of you more experienced Kolbers tell me about this?
> Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Travelin' Lar...... message of Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:56:18 |
-0700
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Looks like I will be in your neck of the woods buying a car next week.
When ya getting home.
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| Subject: | Landing Gear Spindle Specs |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
I am in the process of rebuilding my firestar lading gear the spindles
mic out .625 but the inside dimensions of the bearings are .750 and a sleeve
was used are there spindles available which are .750 or as I am planning buy
correct bearings that do not require a spacer ... Dave
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Thanks George maybe if I find A beer can it will at least be a lite beer.
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "george murphy" <geomurphy@direcway.com>
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Subject: RE: Kolb-List: wings
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy <geomurphy@direcway.com>
>
> Bryan, Just this past weekend I removed the covering from a 1985 Firestar
> with the 5 rib setup and found several things that were rolling around in
> there. There were sounds coming from the tubes that sounded like B-Bs.
It
> was just pieces of zillions of rivets that come apart when it was first
> built(Normal). Then I found outboard braces connecting the wing-bow had
> come apart on both wings where a one rivet attaches it to the spar. I
also
> found that these pieces had been loose for a long time because they had
> vibrated against another tube brace and practically cut it in half. If
you
> tap the underside of the outboard tips of your wings and hear a
> metal-to-metal sound you may have the same problem. I found several pop
> tops from 1985 and they were most probably Budweiser. Then there were the
> dirt dobbers mud nest. Now if they come loose you will hear a real racket
> that doesn't sound quite like the rivet sound. If you really want see
inside
> the wing just pull back some fabric at the inboard wing bracket where it
> attaches to the cage. You can see a lot from one end looking down to the
> other end. If you see an old beer can or something that doesn't belong in
> there, better suspect broken parts and a world of grief.
> From experience, George Murphy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bryan green
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: wings
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
>
> I am buying a Fire star one with five rib wings and 377. when I looked at
it
> and we folded the wings I heard something rolling around inside the
> wing(maybe rivets). There is no inspection panels in the wings but they
look
> good, what can some of you more experienced Kolbers tell me about this?
> Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Thank you Woody.
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: wings
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" <duesouth@govital.net>
>
> It's probably rivits or stones picked up through the front spar tube as
it
> was being moved with the wings folded.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: wings
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
> >
> > I am buying a Fire star one with five rib wings and 377. when I looked
at
> it and we folded the wings I heard something rolling around inside the
> wing(maybe rivets). There is no inspection panels in the wings but they
look
> good, what can some of you more experienced Kolbers tell me about this?
> > Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
My wings do the same thing ...In Florida its gotta be Dirt Daubbers ....
guess I should put some kind of plug in those open tubes
.................................................... Dave
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| Subject: | Re: New Engine for FireStar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: MEMATUZAK@aol.com
I know someone with a used 582!!
MEM
FSII
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| Subject: | Re: FireFlys Maiden Flight! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Go5for4@aol.com
Congratulations! You have a mighty fine bird. I really enjoy mine. Many
happy flights.
Merle
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
>
> Mission accomplished!
> Today I flew the Firefly...or "FlagFly" as some of you have started to call
> her!....WOW...what a beauty...perfect handleing....no bad habits , Just as
> you told me John Hauck! I had trim tabs ready to mount....but I threw em
> back in the toolbox as it just does not need any! First time was gonna be a
> few crowhops..but it cliombed out so dang fast...I just went around...landed
> a tad hard with one bounce..went around again and 2nd landing was a little
> better....3rd landing I greased her in..probably lucky, but dang I was so
> proud I stopped and taxi'd over to the hanger where the lookers were and got
> out to see if anything had loosened up...and of course to hear the
> compliments from the gallery....back up for a little cruise...Airspeed
> indicator is way off and thats the only gripe I could write down...
>
> all you Kolber's were right, this is one Dandy little airplane...special
> thanks to John H for the check ride, and all of you fellas for the sharing
> of knowledge that has no doubt contributed to a perfect first flight!
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> Don Gherardini-
> FireFly 098
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Engine for FireStar |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ken W Korenek <kenkorenek@charter.net>
Yea, and I know someone with a perfectly good set of 5 rib wings in storage!
Ken Korenek
N104KK
MEMATUZAK@aol.com wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: MEMATUZAK@aol.com
>
>I know someone with a used 582!!
>
>MEM
>FSII
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Mud dobbers, carpenter bees ...good thing Kolbs don't have wood spars.
A little unsettling to be working on the plane today and see a pile of
sawdust
on the wing. Only a few holes in the ceiling beams. Anyway I managed to
get the figurative bugs out of the ignition today, fired up good. It
uses an
automotive magnetic pickup which produces a wimpy little signal, just a
little resistance in the output connectors and no fire. One more chapter
in my Kolb-building education. -BB do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
Fellow Kolb List posters,
If you post to this list please follow the guidelines set up by Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com.
The following is what is requested and posted each month to
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- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
For those of us that don't personally know you it is very helpful in our evaluation
of your input if we know who or what you are and what you are doing.
John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 440 hours
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | parts list for 1985 Firestar |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy <geomurphy@direcway.com>
Does anyone have a copy of the parts list for a 1985 Firestar. I have a
Xerox copy but It is unreadable. I am having to replace several tubes and
AN nuts and bolts. I would appreciate a copy e-mailed to me and then I may
be able to enlarge it enough to read. My offline E-mail is
geomurphy@direcway.com
Thanks, G. Murphy
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