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1. 07:40 AM - FireStar II (Roger Peterson)
2. 10:29 AM - Drag strut brace / Quality of parts (Ed Bonsell)
3. 12:42 PM - Re: FireFly 1st Flight (T. K. Frantz)
4. 01:12 PM - Re: Drag strut brace / Quality of parts (John Hauck)
5. 02:11 PM - Re: 582 (Ted Cowan)
6. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: 582 (SGreenpg@aol.com)
7. 04:12 PM - Rivet guns (george murphy)
8. 04:51 PM - Re: Rivet guns (George Thompson)
9. 04:52 PM - Rivet Gun?? (george murphy)
10. 06:36 PM - John willianson (Larry or Judy Gitt)
11. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: 582 (Richard Pike)
12. 07:38 PM - Re: FireFly 1st Flight (Don Gherardini)
13. 07:44 PM - Re: Rivet guns (bryan green)
14. 07:45 PM - Re: Rivet Gun?? (Don Gherardini)
15. 08:11 PM - Checking in (Fackler, Ken)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Roger Peterson <roger@pmmi-inc.com>
I am looking for a complete set of plans for a FireStar II. I have
not called Kolb yet to see if they will sell them, but thought I
would first check the group to see if there were any avialable.
--
Roger Peterson
206 County Road 375
Sweeny, Texas 77480
Phone:979-647-4946
Cell: 979-487-8356
Fax: 979-647-1158
E-Mail: roger@pmmi-inc.com
Bus Home Page: http://pmmi-inc.com
Personal Home Page: http://joinme.net/petersons/
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| Subject: | Drag strut brace / Quality of parts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Bonsell" <ebonsell@earthlink.net>
Hi All,
I'm building a set of 7 rib wings for my 86 Firestar. About a month ago I posted
a message saying I had a problem with the quality of parts supplied by TNK.
Why don't I start at the beginning. I bought all the steel parts from TNK. When
they arrived I finished off the rough edges and painted them with epoxy paint.
First the H sections were so far out of square they couldn't be used. They
had to be sent back.
The inboard wing ribs were next. They too were not square and had to be sent back.
When the replacements arrived one was ok, the other one had the drag strut
brace tube welded in at the wrong angle. That went back. The replacement had
the same problem. The drag strut tube was welded off to the side and down from
the correct angle but is barely acceptable.
So a month ago I go to install the drag strut and find the legs on the short drag
strut brace are too long to fit properly and they were welded a few degrees
off from the correct angle. I mentioned this on the list and a member suggested
I send them back because they probably go to the firefly wing.
Well, I got the same ones back with a note saying if the legs are too long they
should be cut to the correct length by the builder. How would I know if they
were too long until I arrived at this stage of assembly?
Does this mean I can't paint all the pieces at one time? I have to adjust and
paint each piece one at a time as I go? Cutting the legs is not a problem, but
shouldn't they be the same length on every wing?
The only way I can install this brace is to bend it so it doesn't hit the rib next
to and bend it out of shape.
The Quality of parts I've gotten from TNK is crap compared to what I got when I
first built it,
Sincerely,
Ed Bonsell / 86 Firestar.
.
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly 1st Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "T. K. Frantz" <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Don Gherardini wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Here is a Link to a few pics I posted on page 13 of my builders web-site...I
> have 8 takeoffs and landings on her now...I'm heading out to the Airpark
> this evening for some more ...cant seem to get enough all of a sudden!
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/mission_accomplished.htm
>
> Don Gherardini
>
> do not archive
>
> Don,
Boy, does that look good in the air as well as on the ground!!!! Well
Done!!!!!!!!
Have question! Where did you get the nose loop from? I had to make my own
since none was available from Kolb. To what did you attach it to? I had to
weld two extra cross members in mine to carry the load if it needed to be used.
Of course since I went to the trouble of putting it on I haven't need it. Still
it might come in handy with those landings in alfalfa fields here in Amish
country.
Also, how did you align the fairing's on your wing struts and landing gear?
Been looking at and thinking of the same, but don't want to mess up my perfect
trim.
A fellow FireFly flyer.
Terry - FireFly #95
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Drag strut brace / Quality of parts |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> The Quality of parts I've gotten from TNK is crap compared to what I got when
I first built it,
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ed Bonsell / 86 Firestar.
Ed/All:
Wish I could fix it for you, but that ain't my job.
You message would probably be best sent to The New
Kolb Aircraft Company, rather than the Kolb
List. I don't know that we can help you out with
Kolb company/customer relations problems.
Personally, I don't see a big problem with drag
strut braces. I got one of the first sets of
braces in 1984 for my Ultrastar. I had to bend
slightly and trim to fit back then. Same for my
Firestar, and for my Mark III.
There's going to be a fair amount of pulling
caused by the welding process, especially on a
piece like a drag strut brace where two long legs
are welded on one end.
As far as screwing up your priming and painting
sequence, guess you'll have to live with that.
The rest of us probably did also. Don't get me
wrong, if New Kolb Aircraft is sending parts that
are less than acceptable/serviceable, send them
back and get replacements. If we do that enough,
maybe they will get the hint. If you send them a
nice email, letter, or call Ray Brown, they'll
also get the message. I know for a fact Ray Brown
wants all Kolb customers to get what they pay for.
There have been some personnel changes made
recently, especially in the welding shop. This
may account for some parts not being up to your specs.
Over the last 19 years of dealing closely with old
and new Kolb, I have sent my share of goodies back
for replacements. I don't think one regime is any
better or any worse than the other.
Take care,
john h
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan <tcowan1917@direcway.com>
would like to know if there are any really successfull installations of the
582 with the twin radiators in back or is it better to remount them to the
front of the engine or is it better to get an aftermarket radiator and rig
it in front of the engine? Seems the threads I kept hearing were of
failures and how difficult it is to keep them cool. Are they worth the
extra horsepower to have to mess with this? I have just aquired a slingshot
and have a 582 with an E box and need to mount the water system in a couple
of weeks or month. You can email me separate with pics if you would
respond. I suppose there are applications where they work and not work
depending on the situation. I think a slingshot would be easier for the
motor to push through the air compared to a MkIII but what do I know. I
have checked the archives and there doesnt seem to be a lot out there. I
need input!! thanks. (I would rather have a BMW 1100 with a C on it but
what the heck. I dont want to be an engineer or a test pilot in any case.
Thanks for the response. By the way, mine is number 30, last one the
factory produced. Got a classic! Ted Cowan, Alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com
Ted,
There are some pictures on my website of my rear mounted radiators and the
air scoops to aid cooling.
http://hometown.aol.com/sgreenpg/58SGKOLB.html
Steven
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy <geomurphy@direcway.com>
Does anyone ever use an air-powered rivet gun? I would like to buy one but
need some advice from any of you that might have used one. Does anyone have
a brand name of a good one? Also does anyone know how much total fabric it
takes to cover a Firestar?
G. Murphy / 85 Firestar / Alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Thompson" <eagle1@commspeed.net>
I can make you a very good deal on an air powered revit gun. It is a Harbor
freight gun and was used to build my Firestar II. Will sell it for half
price and you pay the shipping.
George in Arizona
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From: "george murphy" <geomurphy@direcway.com>
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Subject: Kolb-List: Rivet guns
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy <geomurphy@direcway.com>
>
> Does anyone ever use an air-powered rivet gun? I would like to buy one
but
> need some advice from any of you that might have used one. Does anyone
have
> a brand name of a good one? Also does anyone know how much total fabric
it
> takes to cover a Firestar?
>
> G. Murphy / 85 Firestar / Alabama
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy <geomurphy@direcway.com>
Gentlemen, I am in need of some sort of air powered rivet gun to put my
Firestar back together. Does anyone have any experience using one of these
things? Any advice on pros and cons would be appreciated, and if anyone has
a preference on a brand name that would be helpful too. How many yards of
fabric are needed to recover a Firestar?
G. Murphy 85 Firestar Alabama
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry or Judy Gitt" <gittj@earthlink.net>
Has anybody heard from John Williamson lately , I sent him an E mail with no
reply . It's been a week or so. John if you read this, I sent you some pictures
also plus some Drawings too Larry
--- Judy Gitt
--- gittj@earthlink.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
I would try Steve Green's mod for the twin radiators. I tried a single
radiator in front of the engine and was very displeased, especially if you
get stuck at the end of the runway behind someone, the thing will overheat,
there is no prop airflow to keep it cool at idle. It is also less effective
in flight, because it hurts your climb. (Picture a big square spoiler in
the middle of the wing, in front of the engine.) Suspect that the twin
radiators at the mag end of the engine on a Kolb would overheat in the same
way.
The same radiator that didn't work in front of the mag was very effective
mounted at the trailing edge of the wing on the underside. (Top of the
radiator was even with the lower edge of the wing, it was behind the
fuselage tubing.) Don't know if the Slingshot will allow a radiator to be
mounted in the center section below the wing or not, but you get great
airflow there, and also good ground cooling.
Pictures of my radiator here, click on "Adding a heater" and also "Need for
Speed"
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/kolb.htm
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 04:12 PM 8/16/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Ted Cowan <tcowan1917@direcway.com>
>
>would like to know if there are any really successfull installations of the
>582 with the twin radiators in back or is it better to remount them to the
>front of the engine or is it better to get an aftermarket radiator and rig
>it in front of the engine? Seems the threads I kept hearing were of
>failures and how difficult it is to keep them cool. Are they worth the
>extra horsepower to have to mess with this? I have just aquired a slingshot
>and have a 582 with an E box and need to mount the water system in a couple
>of weeks or month. You can email me separate with pics if you would
>respond. I suppose there are applications where they work and not work
>depending on the situation. I think a slingshot would be easier for the
>motor to push through the air compared to a MkIII but what do I know. I
>have checked the archives and there doesnt seem to be a lot out there. I
>need input!! thanks. (I would rather have a BMW 1100 with a C on it but
>what the heck. I dont want to be an engineer or a test pilot in any case.
>Thanks for the response. By the way, mine is number 30, last one the
>factory produced. Got a classic! Ted Cowan, Alabama
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly 1st Flight |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Terry, I made the nose loop myself..and welded an extra cross brace just
like you desciibe...The extra cross brace also gives much better support for
a full length floorpan. (great minds think alike huh!)
as far as the alignment on the strut fairings....I just raised the tail to
flight level...and eyeballed the fairings. I considered cutting a 1/2
pattern of the airfoil shape of the strut fairing, and makeing a square
bottom edge on the pattern...then using a level on it to align....then
tossed that idea for all the trouble it would be and eyeballed em....must
have got them close because today, in the 4th hour of flight testing..I held
the pedal to the metal...and she topped out at 77 indicated...which I think
is dandy for the 38 hp ULII-02, and its empty weight of about 290. I have
been cross checking the ASI with the gps and I believe it to be pretty
close....and it stalls at 33 indicated..just like the book says. I just got
back from the airpark tonite and I burned 10 gallons of fuel thru her
today!...WAHOOOO!
If I had it to do over..I probably would have left off the nose brace....I
have not had any problems keeping her nose out of the dirt....I think that
maybe it is more likely that a 2 seater has more trouble nosing over with
the extra weight of 2 people..or maybe alot more horses than I have cause
this, but its not the problem I anticipated..
Thanks for the kind words on my bird!
Don
Do not archive.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
I have an air powered gun I bought from Harbor Freight and it works fine.
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
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From: "george murphy" <geomurphy@direcway.com>
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Subject: Kolb-List: Rivet guns
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy <geomurphy@direcway.com>
>
> Does anyone ever use an air-powered rivet gun? I would like to buy one
but
> need some advice from any of you that might have used one. Does anyone
have
> a brand name of a good one? Also does anyone know how much total fabric
it
> takes to cover a Firestar?
>
> G. Murphy / 85 Firestar / Alabama
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
George, There are really 2 choices for new pnematic rivit guns....you have a
Huck gun...(Huck brand) and its gonna set you back from 1800 to 3500 bucks!
depending on the model....ya ..you read that right..them zeros belong
there..or..ya buy an oriental copy...like the harbor freight/central
pneumatic oriental jobs...they are all about the same quality. and they will
last much longer than one airplane...and from 49 to 89 bucks depending on
how good a shopper you are.
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
Don Gherardini-
FireFly 098
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
After 48 hours with no power, I'm back home and back online. Whew.
-Ken Fackler
Kolb Mark II / A722KWF
Rochester MI
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