---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/17/03: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:06 AM - Re: Rivet Gun?? (george murphy) 2. 06:22 AM - Re: FireFly 1st Flight (Larry Bourne) 3. 06:25 AM - Trip (Larry Bourne) 4. 07:25 AM - Re: Trip (Robert Laird) 5. 07:49 AM - Re: Rotax lighting coil (jerb) 6. 08:05 AM - Re: Rotax lighting coil (Jon Croke) 7. 08:10 AM - Re: Rotax lighting coil (Jack & Louise Hart) 8. 09:00 AM - Noseover Tendancy - Kolb (John Hauck) 9. 10:00 AM - Re: Noseover Tendancy - Kolb (John Williamson) 10. 10:55 AM - Re: Rivet Gun?? (Bob N.) 11. 10:58 AM - Re: Noseover Tendancy - Kolb (John Hauck) 12. 02:45 PM - Re: Rotax lighting coil (H MITCHELL) 13. 07:40 PM - Re: Rivet Gun?? (jerb) 14. 07:43 PM - Cryptic info in message header (jerb) 15. 08:11 PM - Cage welding ??? Help (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com) 16. 08:39 PM - Re: Cage welding ??? Help (Charles) 17. 08:45 PM - Re: Cryptic info in message header (Mid-State Sandblasting) 18. 08:48 PM - Re: Rotax lighting coil (jerb) 19. 08:48 PM - Re: Cage welding ??? Help (John Cooley) 20. 08:49 PM - Re: Cage welding ??? Help (Richard Pike) 21. 08:52 PM - Re: Cage welding ??? Help (Richard Pike) 22. 09:26 PM - Re: Rivet Gun?? (Don Gherardini) 23. 09:35 PM - Re: Cage welding ??? Help (Don Gherardini) 24. 09:43 PM - Re: Rivet Gun?? (possums) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:42 AM PST US From: george murphy Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Rivet Gun?? --> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy Don, I appreciate your advice. Did you mean to say a Hauk gun?? I think those guns are semi or fully automatic. Think I will go for the Harbor Freight type. Thanks, G. Murphy /85 Firestar/ Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Gherardini Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivet Gun?? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" George, There are really 2 choices for new pnematic rivit guns....you have a Huck gun...(Huck brand) and its gonna set you back from 1800 to 3500 bucks! depending on the model....ya ..you read that right..them zeros belong there..or..ya buy an oriental copy...like the harbor freight/central pneumatic oriental jobs...they are all about the same quality. and they will last much longer than one airplane...and from 49 to 89 bucks depending on how good a shopper you are. http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Don Gherardini- FireFly 098 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:44 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FireFly 1st Flight --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I sure envy you, Don. I hafta wait till I get home before I can spend enuf time online to open all the pictures and attachments that I've been saving, but after seeing the finished pics of your plane, I'll bet it was a terrific sight in the air. GoGittum Lar, in Ocala, Florida. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Kolb-List: FireFly 1st Flight > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" > > Here is a Link to a few pics I posted on page 13 of my builders web-site...I > have 8 takeoffs and landings on her now...I'm heading out to the Airpark > this evening for some more ...cant seem to get enough all of a sudden! > > http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/mission_accomplished.htm > > > Don Gherardini > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:23 AM PST US From: "Larry Bourne" Subject: Kolb-List: Trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" I'll be leaving the Ocala, FL area tomorrow afternoon, and heading across the bottom of the southern states. Should be in east Texas by next weekend, give or take. Anybody on that line of flight ?? I REALLY want to catch an Alligator Gar, and an Alligator Snapping Turtle...........any help for me ?? Answer fast, cause I cover a lot of ground awful fast. Looks like I'm back on my time-line, finally. Wanderin' Lar...............hypnotized by the Okefenokee today - sure hated to leave. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:09 AM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trip --> Kolb-List message posted by: Robert Laird At 05:17 PM 8/16/2003 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" > >I'll be leaving the Ocala, FL area tomorrow afternoon, and heading across >the bottom of the southern states. Should be in east Texas by next >weekend, give or take. Anybody on that line of flight ?? I REALLY want >to catch an Alligator Gar, and an Alligator Snapping Turtle...........any >help for me ?? Answer fast, cause I cover a lot of ground awful >fast. Looks like I'm back on my time-line, >finally. Wanderin' Lar...............hypnotized by the >Okefenokee today - sure hated to leave. Do not Archive. Larry - If you're going across I-10, you'll have to go through Houston, so give me a call: 713-503-2949 -- Robert DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:01 AM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax lighting coil --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb I was curious what side Jim had a fuse on since he stated he has had no problems. Reason I asked Jim was due to thinking about this a little and the way the shunt regulator works, it could draw a bit of current to pull down the lighting coil. Has anybody seen a fuse block that mounts similar to a terminal strip that can hold say 1-5 automotive style fuses. jerb At 10:01 PM 8/15/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart > >At 09:01 PM 8/15/03 -0700, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > > >Jim, & All > >Which side is your fuse, the lighting coil side of the regulator or the DC > >output side? > > > >Jerb, > >To save the lighting coil, the fuse needs to be placed on the lighting >coil side of the regulator. > >Jack B. Hart FF004 >Jackson, MO > > >Jack & Louise Hart >jbhart@ldd.net > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:55 AM PST US From: "Jon Croke" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax lighting coil --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jon Croke" > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > Has anybody seen a fuse block that mounts similar to a terminal strip that > can hold say 1-5 automotive style fuses. > jerb > Jerb, I have had great customer service from: http://bandcspecialty.com/parts.html They have several fuse holder solutions which I use. Jon near Green Bay www.joncroke.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:46 AM PST US From: Jack & Louise Hart Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax lighting coil --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart Jerb, I do not believe the Key West is a shunt type regulator. I believe it must be a switching type because it does not reject much heat. I was quizzed about my regulator installation, and so I put mounted a thermistor on the back of it and ran the engine. The temperature on the back side of the regulator only came up a few degrees. For a fuse, I used the "U" shaped automotive fuse in an in line holder. They can be purchased at Radio Shack or any automotive parts store. This let me save some weight by mounting the fuse right on the engine and bundle it with other wires. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO At 09:52 AM 8/17/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > >I was curious what side Jim had a fuse on since he stated he has had no >problems. Reason I asked Jim was due to thinking about this a little and >the way the shunt regulator works, it could draw a bit of current to pull >down the lighting coil. > >Has anybody seen a fuse block that mounts similar to a terminal strip that >can hold say 1-5 automotive style fuses. >jerb > > >At 10:01 PM 8/15/03 -0500, you wrote: >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart >> >>At 09:01 PM 8/15/03 -0700, you wrote: >> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb >> > >> >Jim, & All >> >Which side is your fuse, the lighting coil side of the regulator or the DC >> >output side? >> > >> >>Jerb, >> >>To save the lighting coil, the fuse needs to be placed on the lighting >>coil side of the regulator. >> >>Jack B. Hart FF004 >>Jackson, MO >> >> >>Jack & Louise Hart >>jbhart@ldd.net >> >> > > Jack & Louise Hart jbhart@ldd.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:46 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Kolb-List: Noseover Tendancy - Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > If I had it to do over..I probably would have left off the nose brace....I > have not had any problems keeping her nose out of the dirt....I think that > maybe it is more likely that a 2 seater has more trouble nosing over with > the extra weight of 2 people..or maybe alot more horses than I have cause > Don Don/All: Probably excellent pilot technique. A few years ago at Sun and Fun I put the factory Fire Fly on its nose. Was a matter of high hp or two folks up front. Turned downwind to taxi back for takeoff and she came right up on the nose. The grass was dry, the wind was blowing hot on my tail, the idle was set too high, and the darned Fire Fly would not slow down and stop. Well, finally it stopped. But when you have the whole world of ultralighting gawking at'cha, it seemed forever. I have also put the old factory MK III on its nose while taxiing to a stop, with tailwind. Not to forget my Firestar which got on its nose a few times. However, with the Jim Hauck modification to the main landing gear on Miss P'fer, after 12 years, she has never been on her nose, although given the chance many times over a lot of hours. Only reason I have not put the Kolbra on its nose is lack of flight time, .5 hrs. However, I have seen a very high time pilot do it, but it took some effort on his part to get it up there. :-) Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:01 AM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Noseover Tendancy - Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Even with a lot of weight on the tail, it doesn't take but a little lower than normal tire pressure, some soft dirt and a small ridge in the dirt to get the Kolbra up on its nose. The trick is to do it when everyone is watching you through a picture window. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, N49KK, Jabiru 2200, 441 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:48 AM PST US From: "Bob N." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivet Gun?? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob N." It's a Huck rivet puller, made to pull the ridged stems on Huck rivets. Almost the same as Cherry-Max. I've used a plain old Craftsman hand puller on these. Jaws don't last too long with this use, but good ol Sears "cheerfully" replaces it. Need an old cow-milker's hand if more than a few need squeezing! Bob N. do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:50 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Noseover Tendancy - Kolb --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > The trick is to do it when everyone is watching you through a picture > window. > > > John Williamson John W/Gang: Be advised no names or individual aircraft were mentioned, relative the nose over incident, to protect the old and the innocent. :-) BTW: Got the pictures back from the UP (Yooper)/OSH flight. May have to invest in a new scanner to get these babies on the internet, but will if I have to. The glass on my old one has some kind of a uuuuugly smear on it that transfers to the scanned image. Not good. Will take care of this problem mo rikky tic! john h DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:31 PM PST US From: "H MITCHELL" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax lighting coil Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:44:20 -0400 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "H MITCHELL" Jack B. et al, I am not sure what type of "shunt" may be in the Key West regulators but I know that if the diodes burn up it will start overheating the wiring from the lighting coils and eventually melt the insulation on everything in the wire bundle. Been there, done that. The fuse is absolutely mandatory. I have been absent from the list while I came out of retirement to do a machine design job but have now finished (Pat Pending). I'm back on track with my Mk3/912 and hope to have it ready for testing in the next few weeks. See you all at London, Duane the plane, FireFly, 447, Mk3/912 in the hangar. DO NOT ARCHIVE ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack & Louise Hart To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax lighting coil --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart Jerb, I do not believe the Key West is a shunt type regulator. I believe it must be a switching type because it does not reject much heat. I was quizzed about my regulator installation, and so I put mounted a thermistor on the back of it and ran the engine. The temperature on the back side of the regulator only came up a few degrees. For a fuse, I used the "U" shaped automotive fuse in an in line holder. They can be purchased at Radio Shack or any automotive parts store. This let me save some weight by mounting the fuse right on the engine and bundle it with other wires. Jack B. Hart FF004 Jackson, MO At 09:52 AM 8/17/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > >I was curious what side Jim had a fuse on since he stated he has had no >problems. Reason I asked Jim was due to thinking about this a little and >the way the shunt regulator works, it could draw a bit of current to pull >down the lighting coil. > >Has anybody seen a fuse block that mounts similar to a terminal strip that >can hold say 1-5 automotive style fuses. >jerb > > >At 10:01 PM 8/15/03 -0500, you wrote: >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart >> >>At 09:01 PM 8/15/03 -0700, you wrote: >> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb >> > >> >Jim, & All >> >Which side is your fuse, the lighting coil side of the regulator or the DC >> >output side? >> > >> >>Jerb, >> >>To save the lighting coil, the fuse needs to be placed on the lighting >>coil side of the regulator. >> >>Jack B. Hart FF004 >>Jackson, MO >> >> >>Jack & Louise Hart >>jbhart@ldd.net >> >> > > Jack & Louise Hart jbhart@ldd.net ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:32 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivet Gun?? --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb George, There are brand name pneumatic rivet puller but you will find that most builders including the Van RV aircraft builders use the ones sold by Harbor Freight or Northern Tool. They work just fine. In use you can adjust the compressor regulator output pressure to control the amount of force of the pull. There are times when you want a gentle pull, others when you just want to get on with it. A rapid pull can cause it to jump a little thus causing you to dig into the fabric when pulling rivets on the wing. We also used it at lower pressure to do dimpling in sheet metal parts when building an RV. Works good.... Here's the links for both companies. Search under rivets, riveters, or rivet pullers. http://www.northerntool.com/ Northern a while back had a good price on the riveter but since has dramatically increased their prices. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/headsearch.taf?function=Search I found the $53 rivet is more than adequate for the work being done. http://www.harborfreight.com At 06:52 PM 8/16/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy > >Gentlemen, I am in need of some sort of air powered rivet gun to put my >Firestar back together. Does anyone have any experience using one of these >things? Any advice on pros and cons would be appreciated, and if anyone has >a preference on a brand name that would be helpful too. How many yards of >fabric are needed to recover a Firestar? > >G. Murphy 85 Firestar Alabama ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:40 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Kolb-List: Cryptic info in message header --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb George, What's the cryptic info in the header of your message. jerb At 06:52 PM 8/16/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy > >Gentlemen, I am in need of some sort of air powered rivet gun to put my >Firestar back together. Does anyone have any experience using one of these >things? Any advice on pros and cons would be appreciated, and if anyone has >a preference on a brand name that would be helpful too. How many yards of >fabric are needed to recover a Firestar? > >G. Murphy 85 Firestar Alabama > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:34 PM PST US From: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Cage welding ??? Help --> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com If a repair is needed to a small tube in the cage what is the preferred method of welding ? MIG (flux core or inert gas?)/ acetylene (what rod ??) thanks ! Dave ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:19 PM PST US From: "Charles" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cage welding ??? Help --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Charles" Dave, Acetylene or Tig welding is preferred on 4130 steel. Stay clear of Mig welding, I have been told it can be done but is on the bottom of the list. Do you like to read? 1. http://www.tinmantech.com/html/4130_aircraft_chromemoly_tubin.html 2. http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/sportair/ Charles ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:39 PM PST US From: "Mid-State Sandblasting" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cryptic info in message header --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Mid-State Sandblasting" Hi George I have a air Rivet Gun that I will be glad to let you use so that you do not have to go out and buy one. I will have to try and remember who has it right now. let me know if you still need one. Randy In NC Sold the soobydoo, now flying a leohle spad Xlll ---- Original Message ----- From: "jerb" Subject: Kolb-List: Cryptic info in message header > --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > George, > What's the cryptic info in the header of your message. > jerb > > > At 06:52 PM 8/16/03 -0500, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy > > > >Gentlemen, I am in need of some sort of air powered rivet gun to put my > >Firestar back together. Does anyone have any experience using one of these > >things? Any advice on pros and cons would be appreciated, and if anyone has > >a preference on a brand name that would be helpful too. How many yards of > >fabric are needed to recover a Firestar? > > > >G. Murphy 85 Firestar Alabama > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:27 PM PST US From: jerb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rotax lighting coil --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb Jack, The Key West is a shunt regulator according to the manufacturer I spoke directly with, a branch of the Titan operation. It's a simples design that works but I feel a switcher would be required for a high current output alternative due to the changing voltage level and frequency as RPM changes. Did you fly it while doing your temperature test or just a burst of high power? Did you vary the power loading? jerb At 10:09 AM 8/17/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart > >Jerb, > >I do not believe the Key West is a shunt type regulator. I believe it >must be a switching type because it does not reject much heat. I was >quizzed about my regulator installation, and so I put mounted a thermistor >on the back of it and ran the engine. The temperature on the back side of >the regulator only came up a few degrees. > >For a fuse, I used the "U" shaped automotive fuse in an in line >holder. They can be purchased at Radio Shack or any automotive parts >store. This let me save some weight by mounting the fuse right on the >engine and bundle it with other wires. > >Jack B. Hart FF004 >Jackson, MO > > >At 09:52 AM 8/17/03 -0700, you wrote: > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > > > >I was curious what side Jim had a fuse on since he stated he has had no > >problems. Reason I asked Jim was due to thinking about this a little and > >the way the shunt regulator works, it could draw a bit of current to pull > >down the lighting coil. > > > >Has anybody seen a fuse block that mounts similar to a terminal strip that > >can hold say 1-5 automotive style fuses. > >jerb > > > > > >At 10:01 PM 8/15/03 -0500, you wrote: > >>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Jack & Louise Hart > >> > >>At 09:01 PM 8/15/03 -0700, you wrote: > >> >--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb > >> > > >> >Jim, & All > >> >Which side is your fuse, the lighting coil side of the regulator or > the DC > >> >output side? > >> > > >> > >>Jerb, > >> > >>To save the lighting coil, the fuse needs to be placed on the lighting > >>coil side of the regulator. > >> > >>Jack B. Hart FF004 > >>Jackson, MO > >> > >> > >>Jack & Louise Hart > >>jbhart@ldd.net > >> > >> > > > > > > >Jack & Louise Hart >jbhart@ldd.net > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:46 PM PST US From: "John Cooley" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cage welding ??? Help --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" Hi Dave and Gang, I'm not a welding guru or any such thing and have very little welding experience, but have tried to study up on the subject due to the fact that I wanted to do the John/Jim Hauck special landing gear on my MK III. The best method of welding 4130, in my opinion from the info I have read and talked to knowledgeable people about, is TIG welding. Here is a couple of links with good info on the subject. The first one is http://members.eaa org/home/homebuilders/building/welded/articles.html and you can go to this site http://www.tigdepot.com/faq.html and find some good info or buy what you need. The owner of the second site is known as "Mr TIG" and has some impressive credentials. Here is an excerpt from the web page, "With over 30 years experience, Wyatt Swaim is known throughout the world as the leading expert in the TIG Welding Industry. Wyatt began his welding engineering education at Cowley County College in Arkansas City, Kansas. Concentrating his career towards the Aerospace and highly technical industries, he worked for Boeing in Wichita before moving to San Diego. He then honed his skills at General Dynamics, Amatek Straza and Chemtronics, while furthering his education at San Diego State University. Wyatt founded Hi-Tech Welding Services Inc. 18 years ago and funneled his energies towards building a complete production facility geared towards providing the highest level of welding, R&D, welding engineering, and metallurgy to high technology industries. This facility includes TIG, Plasma and Electron Beam Welding, as well as Non-Destructive Testing, X-Ray and Penetrant Inspection. I'm sure MIG welding is more than acceptable on the small tubing and I have been told some of the major kit makers use MIG on the whole frame because it is faster. Not sure about the acetylene/O2 rods, but I do remember seeing them in the Aircraft Spruce catalog. Later, John Cooley -------Original Message------- From: kolb-list@matronics.com Subject: Kolb-List: Cage welding ??? Help --> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com If a repair is needed to a small tube in the cage what is the preferred method of welding ? MIG (flux core or inert gas?)/ acetylene (what rod ??) thanks ! Dave . ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:07 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cage welding ??? Help --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike The EAA site has a page on that subject. http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/davisson/Aircraft%20Welding %20and%20Steel%20Tube%20Fabrication%20-%20Part%203.html Just in case this doesn't paste right, they say that for acetylene welding, use mild steel rod. And they don't mention MIG welding. I have done a bunch of mods on my MKIII cage with this setup, and also welded a J-6 fuselage from scratch with oxy-acetylene and mild steel rod. Works fine. Richard Pike MKIII N420p (420ldPoops) At 11:10 PM 8/17/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com > >If a repair is needed to a small tube in the cage what is the preferred >method of welding ? MIG (flux core or inert gas?)/ acetylene (what rod >??) thanks >! Dave > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:04 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cage welding ??? Help --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Looked a bit more at the EAA site, here is the index. http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/authors/davisson/index.html Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 11:10 PM 8/17/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: BMWBikeCrz@aol.com > >If a repair is needed to a small tube in the cage what is the preferred >method of welding ? MIG (flux core or inert gas?)/ acetylene (what rod >??) thanks >! Dave > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:05 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivet Gun?? --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" No George..HUCK....like the rivit brand... http://www.imperialinc.com/items.asp?item=0782100 Don Do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:42 PM PST US From: "Don Gherardini" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Cage welding ??? Help --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" Dave....Tig is the preferred method by non-professional welders...but...almost all the aircraft manufacturers use Mig....and it is just fine if done be a competent welder....so you might say Mig is the choice by the professional welders for their production work....but like I say...competent welders.. Don do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:13 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rivet Gun?? --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums At 06:52 PM 8/16/2003 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: george murphy > >Gentlemen, I am in need of some sort of air powered rivet gun to put my >Firestar back together. Does anyone have any experience using one of these >things? Any advice on pros and cons would be appreciated, and if anyone has >a preference on a brand name that would be helpful too. How many yards of >fabric are needed to recover a Firestar? > >G. Murphy 85 Firestar Alabama I don't know George? For what you have to do, unless you are completely building new wings, I might use the hand pulled guns. I have one of the "air-powered" rivet guns, but you can't tell if they pull up all the way before the stem breaks off on the alum rivets. You can "feel" the rivets seat with the hand pulled gun. You can use my "air powered gun" if you want, but most of the fabric and alum rivets are pretty easy to pull.