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1. 03:42 AM - Re: props (Dave Rains)
2. 04:18 AM - Warp Drive prop (Kirk Smith)
3. 05:01 AM - Re: Warp Drive prop (Richard Pike)
4. 06:16 AM - Re: Warp Drive prop (John Cooley)
5. 06:32 AM - Blind runner (Kirk Smith)
6. 07:05 AM - Re: EVO/Air update (Larry Bourne)
7. 07:05 AM - Re: Vortex Generators (Larry Bourne)
8. 07:05 AM - Re: Belt sander specs. (Larry Bourne)
9. 07:10 AM - Re: Blind runner (ul15rhb@juno.com)
10. 07:23 AM - Re: Blind runner (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
11. 07:28 AM - Re: Blind runner (John Cooley)
12. 08:20 AM - cleaning (Paul Petty)
13. 08:22 AM - Fred 2319@aol.com (FRED2319@aol.com)
14. 08:27 AM - Re: Fred 2319@aol.com (Gene Ledbetter)
15. 08:39 AM - Re: Blind runner (Kirk Smith)
16. 09:01 AM - Re: Blind runner (Bob Dalton)
17. 09:12 AM - Re: Blind runner (Kirk Smith)
18. 10:05 AM - Re: Trip (Richard Swiderski)
19. 10:26 AM - Re: speaking of Vortex generators..WOW (Richard Swiderski)
20. 11:57 AM - Re: Blind runner (GeoR38@aol.com)
21. 12:57 PM - Re: Blind runner (Kirk Smith)
22. 01:55 PM - Re: The annual WACO Celebration and Reunion (DAquaNut@aol.com)
23. 02:48 PM - EAA Easter Coast Regional Flying - canceled (Chuck Davis - Comcast)
24. 05:18 PM - Re: Vortex Generators (Dave Rains)
25. 05:27 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 08/23/03 (Airgriff2@aol.com)
26. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 08/23/03 (Bob Bean)
27. 06:59 PM - Re: speaking of Vortex generators..WOW (Don Gherardini)
28. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 08/23/03 (jerb)
29. 07:41 PM - Attaching velcro (Richard Pike)
30. 07:46 PM - Goop (Richard Pike)
31. 08:15 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 08/23/03 (HShack@aol.com)
32. 08:31 PM - cherry grove fly in (Mhqqqqq@aol.com)
33. 09:01 PM - UL Activity in FL (gtalexander@att.net)
34. 09:35 PM - Re: uncle craig (Gherkins Tim-rp3420)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
No! Superior piloting!
Dave.
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: WillUribe@aol.com [SMTP:WillUribe@aol.com]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: props
--> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
Come to think of it, Dave had vortex generators installed on top of his
FireStar's wings. Could that be why he was flying away from me?
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
C-172 N2506U
http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
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----- Original Message ----- From: "jerb" <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: props
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
> Hey Will,
> If these here vortex generators can increase your speed just a little,
> might be work giving them a try.=A0 You just can't let this happen.
> jerb
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Guys,
My Warp drive is coated with mosquito goop. What can I use to clean it that
won't damage the prop? Thanks! Kirk
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive prop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
409 and a scrub pad that is safe for Teflon coated pans.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 07:18 AM 8/24/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
>Guys,
> My Warp drive is coated with mosquito goop. What can I use to clean
> it that won't damage the prop? Thanks! Kirk
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warp Drive prop |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Hi Kirk and Gang,
I use the green stuff that Walmart sells and a rag. I think it is called
Simple Green". I also dilute it and use it to clean the oily mess of model
airplanes. It works very good.
Later,
John Cooley
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Warp Drive prop
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Guys,
My Warp drive is coated with mosquito goop. What can I use to clean it that
won't damage the prop? Thanks! Kirk
.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Not really Kolb related, but I know some in the group would be interested. For
those of you that have landed at my little strip here and saw the circle track
next to it, you know that's the running track for my blind Vietnam Vet neighbor.
We built that so he would have a place to train as he loves to run. Yesterday
he ran in the annual Bobby Crim road race held in Flint, MI. This race is
a world class race that attracts runners from around the world for prize money.
The men from Kenya have dominated for several years now and this years women's
winner came from Russia. There were 285 men that ran in the 55-59 year old
age bracket and I'm so damn proud of my neighbor Howard as he finished 11th in
that group 12 seconds off the best time for his age group. The only blind runner
in the group. ......Kirk
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: EVO/Air update |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Don't let the nay-say-ers get you down, Paul. That Harley is
great............and I WILL come to Sturgis ! ! ! Lar.
Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: EVO/Air update
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
>
> Kolbers,
> After Big Lar's visit I started rethinking the Harley redrive. Then last
night it hit me! The whole problem thus far has been trying to work around
the starter flex plate and retain the HD compensating sprocket for torsional
dampening.So I plan to move the starter up on the propshaft end of the drive
like it is on the motorcycle. this will allow me to use the HD double roller
chain in oil with the HD slack adjuster.I can make a drive train case that
will bolt to the engine case much like the primary drive on the bike and use
tapered roller bearings on the prop shaft. I'm thinking 1 1/4" shaft. This
set up will also allow the stator to run in oil for cooling. I guess taking
some time off the project helped. Thanks to Big Lar for the nuge.....
>
>
> pp
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vortex Generators |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
What really puts the icing on, is that I just read an ad for VG's on a
Taylorcraft...........for $695.00..........and you install 'em. Food for
thought, tho'................instead of tape, they use Loctite's "Depend"
adhesive to hold them on. Fast Movin' Lar, north of
Shreveport, LA., on Sat. night. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <HShack@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generators
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 8/23/03 10:57:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ulflyer@verizon.net writes:
>
>
> > What kind of increase did you see on cruise speed?
> > jerb
> >
> >
> I have not documented this. Most of the performance gains are
theoretical,
> except for the lowering of stall speed. In my opinion, just to be able to
> lower stall by 5 mph is incredible, especially when you consider you can
build &
> install them in under two hours & less than $20.
>
> Back to theoretical increase of cruise speed with same rpm; we know the
VG's
> are working because the stall has lowered. Not to oversimplify, but the
> moving air is staying attached more to the top wing surface, creating more
lift
> for the same angle of attack. Therefore, we should be able to lower the
angle
> of attack [therefore less drag]
> with the result of an increase in speed with no throttle change.
>
> For this same reason, top speed should increase.
>
> I've also installed three VG's on each side of my fuselage to give better
> airflow to the prop [again, theoretical].
>
> Shack
> FS II
> SC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Belt sander specs. |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
I guess I should qualify that statement.................the v-belt that
drives the sanding belt is an oddball chinese size, and is about like a
rubber band. Could NOT find a replacement at the local Ace Hardware &
Aircraft Supply. The sanding belt is impossible to keep centered on the
rollers, and is a royal pain in the a............neck. To those of you
who've had good luck with Harbor Freight tools, more power to ya, and enjoy
yer tools. I've had it with their chinese trash..........no more for the
Lar. Anti-Chinese Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Belt sander specs.
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> I have to agree with Tim. (or Jan ??) I started off with a good bench
> mounted belt sander, (around $150.00 at Home Depot) with a 4" wide x about
2
> ft long belt, and never thought about it, except for appreciating the
> tremendous amount of work I did with it. This has to be a "MUST HAVE"
tool.
> I used medium grit belts for a while, and still keep one handy, tho' I
> seldom use it. Med. grit removes material in a hurry ! !
> !...............and leaves a fairly coarse texture. For almost
> everything - especially on aluminum, fine grit is the way to go. I don't
> recall ever seeing an extra fine grit belt, but if I ever do, I'll try
one.
> About 2 yrs ago, some a--hole decided he needed the sander worse than I
did,
> and it vanished, so I bought a replacement Chinese Junk piece of garbage
> from Harbor Freight for about $80 or $90. Don't remember the brand name,
> but it's painted green. You cannot buy v-belts for the thing, so I hope
the
> existing one never breaks. Biggest pain is that the belt WILL NOT stay
> centered...............constantly fiddling with it. You'll use this tool
as
> much, or more than any other - do yourself a favor and get a good one.
> Been There Lar.
>
> PeeEss: One day I'll catch one of those jerks with my stuff, and the
> state will soon there-after see to it that I take mandatory retirement,
with
> free room & board. Lar Again.
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Timandjan@aol.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Belt sander specs.
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Timandjan@aol.com
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/21/03 8:42:34 PM, jspc78@yahoo.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Jim Clayton <jspc78@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I am looking at small, bench mounted belt sanders for
> > > smoothing aluminum after cutting.=A0 Any advice on the
> > > grade of sandpaper to use?=A0 Been looking at some
> > > Harbor Freight models priced around $80; any thoughts
> > > on whether it will last longer than a week ;-), or
> > > other suggested sanders?
> > >
> > > Thanks, Jim
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I built my whole plane on a harbor freight one, worked fine, but now
that
> I
> > am building another I wish I had bought a better one. You know the
saying
> about
> > buying cheap tools, always wish for a better one later.
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Blind runner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: ul15rhb@juno.com
Very good Kirk, I'm impressed with a guy like that!
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar
16 years flying it
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:31:49 -0400 "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Not really Kolb related, but I know some in the group would be
> interested. For those of you that have landed at my little strip
> here and saw the circle track next to it, you know that's the
> running track for my blind Vietnam Vet neighbor. We built that so he
> would have a place to train as he loves to run. Yesterday he ran in
> the annual Bobby Crim road race held in Flint, MI. This race is a
> world class race that attracts runners from around the world for
> prize money. The men from Kenya have dominated for several years now
> and this years women's winner came from Russia. There were 285 men
> that ran in the 55-59 year old age bracket and I'm so damn proud of
> my neighbor Howard as he finished 11th in that group 12 seconds off
> the best time for his age group. The only blind runner in the group.
> ......Kirk
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
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| Subject: | Re: Blind runner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
Awwwwllllrighhhhhhtttttt! Way to go Howard, and Kirk. ... you can pat
yourself on the back too because if you guys hadn't built the track, it
probably wouldn't have happened.
AzDave
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Blind runner
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Not really Kolb related, but I know some in the group would be interested.
For those of you that have landed at my little strip here and saw the circle
track next to it, you know that's the running track for my blind Vietnam Vet
neighbor. We built that so he would have a place to train as he loves to
run. Yesterday he ran in the annual Bobby Crim road race held in Flint, MI.
This race is a world class race that attracts runners from around the world
for prize money. The men from Kenya have dominated for several years now and
this years women's winner came from Russia. There were 285 men that ran in
the 55-59 year old age bracket and I'm so damn proud of my neighbor Howard
as he finished 11th in that group 12 seconds off the best time for his age
group. The only blind runner in the group. ......Kirk
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Blind runner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" <johnc@datasync.com>
Simply amazing!!!
Later,
John Cooley
"do not archive"
-------Original Message-------
From: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Blind runner
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Not really Kolb related, but I know some in the group would be interested.
For those of you that have landed at my little strip here and saw the circle
track next to it, you know that's the running track for my blind Vietnam Vet
neighbor. We built that so he would have a place to train as he loves to run
Yesterday he ran in the annual Bobby Crim road race held in Flint, MI. This
race is a world class race that attracts runners from around the world for
prize money. The men from Kenya have dominated for several years now and
this years women's winner came from Russia. There were 285 men that ran in
the 55-59 year old age bracket and I'm so damn proud of my neighbor Howard
as he finished 11th in that group 12 seconds off the best time for his age
group. The only blind runner in the group. ......Kirk
Do not archive
.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" <ppetty@c-gate.net>
Kolbers,
At the NAPA store I run we sell a cleaning cloth that is amazing! It's called "The
Cajun Clean All" this micro fiber cloth uses only water and will remove bugs
and anything that may come along. They sell for $9.95 each or 3 for $19.95.
If you cant locate one and are interested, let me know. I can ship UPS.
For Richard Pike, I tried to e-mail you off the list but it came back. Can you
resend me this month's prop wash? I have a friend that's interested in the Ran's
S7 that's for sale.
Thanks
pp
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: FRED2319@aol.com
Please remove me from mailing list
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Gene Ledbetter" <gdledbetter@earthlink.net>
Fred,
If you will look at the bottom of any message, it shows how to
unsubscribe.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
FRED2319@aol.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Fred 2319@aol.com
--> Kolb-List message posted by: FRED2319@aol.com
Please remove me from mailing list
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| Subject: | Re: Blind runner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
I'd like to add that the Crim road race is a fund raiser for local charities
among which is " Special Olympics " For handicapped kids. Howard has a big
following there. This year it payed off big for him. As he approached the
finish line, the kids were cheering wildly for their hero and he managed to
summon one final surge of energy and for the first time win over his lead
dog by one second. His lead dog is another Viet Vet. What a blast it all
is. Of course Howard's greatest race is against the all pervading darkness
which it's easy for the handicapped kids to fall into as well. He gives
them all hope. Kirk
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| Subject: | Re: Blind runner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob Dalton" <wiserguy@comcast.net>
Kirk,
Any pics of Howard's run?
Bob
future Kolber
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Blind runner
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> I'd like to add that the Crim road race is a fund raiser for local
charities
> among which is " Special Olympics " For handicapped kids. Howard has a big
> following there. This year it payed off big for him. As he approached the
> finish line, the kids were cheering wildly for their hero and he managed
to
> summon one final surge of energy and for the first time win over his lead
> dog by one second. His lead dog is another Viet Vet. What a blast it all
> is. Of course Howard's greatest race is against the all pervading darkness
> which it's easy for the handicapped kids to fall into as well. He gives
> them all hope. Kirk
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Blind runner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> Kirk,
>
> Any pics of Howard's run?
>
> Bob
I may have one from last years race. Also some of him running on his track.
I'll check with his wife also... Kirk
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
Will,
I'm 10 miles south of Ocala & 2 miles east of I-75, exit 342. Stop by
for a pitstop & a free cup of coffee. 352-307-9009.
Richard Swiderski
Soon To Be Turbo Powered SlingShot
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <WillUribe@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trip
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: WillUribe@aol.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <GeoR38@aol.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Trip
>
> > >
> >
> >Will, it would have been great to meet you but we are in the process of
> > moving to Swiderski=A0 and Merle Hargis land in Florida and don't have a
> house
> > anymore...
> > Especially a buddly from ol El Paso....geez.
> >
> > George Randolph
> > Firestar driver=A0 from Akron O...no longer in Akron though
>
> George,
> We may meet up sometime this year. I believe I will be working in Florida
in
> the near future. I think the schedule calls for me to be in Miami,
Orlando,
> Fort Lauderdale and Atlanta. But I don't have the exact date with me.
>
> I would like to drive down to Cincinnati, OH and check out Spory's in
> Batavia. Does anyone know if it's open on weekends?
> When I'm on the road I check out Kips database on Kolb owner but sometimes
I
> have no idea if I'm close to the small towns listed in the database.
Where=20is
> Swiderski?
> http://www.springeraviation.net/database.html
>
> Will Uribe
> El Paso, TX
> FireStar II N4GU
> C-172 N2506U
> http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: speaking of Vortex generators..WOW |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Swiderski" <swiderski@rocketjet.net>
Don,
Thanks for the great report. I appreaciated the details. ...Richard
Swiderski
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: speaking of Vortex generators..WOW
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
>
> Well, Im so dang suprised, I cant hardly tell youall....some of you in
fact
> you likely think ive fell off the deep end....but...here goes
>
> FireFly....UL2-OII Cuyuna...3 blade 60 Inch warp....6200rpms wot...
>
> loaded to gross , actually 2 lbs over at 502
> PRIOR Stall tests
> stall with 5000 rpms throttle setting.....33 mph...real easy break over...
> stall at WOT..6200....hanging stall..mushing then an break...prop making
all
> kinds of strange sounds to warn you plenty early...still about 33
mph...due
> to mush tho hard to pin down speed...
>
>
> installed 12 vortex gens today...6 per side...in valley between
ribs...none
> in inside quadrant of wing in front of prop arc ( I was worried about that
> carpet tape)
>
> Loaded to 502....
>
> stall at wot....never did really....nose stayed up and just wouldnt come
> down.....airspeed indicator dropped off to less than 20..likely because
> angle to steep for pitot...or I was tailslideing slightly....I had to
lower
> nose to come out of it...
> 2nd try WOT...determined that i oughtta be able to stall this turd...so I
> just held it up there and danced the rudder to keep it straight....finally
> the nose dropped after what seemed like forever....I had so little
> resistance on stick i think i was standing still or sliding...it finally
> fell over quick...definatly a Different bird with these on! Also never did
> hear that prop noise so I guess there is some air getting to the prop that
> wasnt getting there before from the inner most VG's, even tho they are not
> directly in front of the prop arc..very noticable..although the cavitating
> noise before was a nice warning...
>
> Stall at 5000 rpms throttle.....27 mph!!!!!!....did it 3 or 4 times and I
> think I might have seen 26 once!...loaded to GROSS folks...!
> I have gained actually a solid 6 mph of slow flight envelope.....I can't
> believe it....Im gonna do it again in the morning to see if i was dreaming
> today!
>
> I installed them at 13.5 inches back from the center of the leading edge
> tube...they are a tad behind the high part of the wing when at flight
> attitude. what i attempted to do was raise the wing to flight
attitude..and
> threw a line across the top of the wing at what appeared to be the highest
> point...then placed the front of the vg on this line.
>
> I made the Vgs at a 20 deg angle....\ / not because im a smart
> feller...but because I studied all the patent data at US patent web
> site...Studied brother Shacks archives...and brother Harts stuff too. I
> could not decide after all this that I knew what was best..so I just went
in
> between!
>
> I cant say if I have done it right, or the best way..but im not gonna
change
> em..I'm very pleased.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
> Don Gherardini-
> FireFly 098
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Blind runner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com
In a message dated 8/24/03 9:33:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, snuffy@usol.com
writes:
> Not really Kolb related, but I know some in the group would be interested.
> For those of you that have landed at my little strip here and saw the circle
> track next to it, you know that's the running track for my blind Vietnam Vet
> neighbor. We built that so he would have a place to train as he loves to run.
> Yesterday he ran in the annual Bobby Crim road race held in Flint, MI. This
> race is a world class race that attracts runners from around the world for
> prize money. The men from Kenya have dominated for several years now and this
> years women's winner came from Russia. There were 285 men that ran in the
> 55-59 year old age bracket and I'm so damn proud of my neighbor Howard as he
> finished 11th in that group 12 seconds off the best time for his age group. The
> only blind runner in the group. ......Kirk
>
I don't see how a blind feller can run fast without risk and probability of
hitting something but my only response after reading this and the only one I
can muster now is ...........WOW!.....HARD TO BELIEVE!!!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
George Randolph
firestar driver from Akron...er...The Villages Fla
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| Subject: | Re: Blind runner |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
>
> I don't see how a blind feller can run fast without risk and probability
of
> hitting something but my only response after reading this and the only one
I
> can muster now is ...........WOW!.....HARD TO BELIEVE!!!
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> George Randolph
> firestar driver from Akron...er...The Villages Fla
George/ group
He has what he affectionately calls his " Leader Dog". Another Vietnam
Vet that he went to school with. He even wears a t-shirt that says" Leader
Dog". He is a darn good runner also. They have a leash that attaches
between them and when there is a crack or something in the the road he will
say" Break" . That way Howard knows and can adjust his awareness for a
change in texture or feel. Quite fascinating to see them run. They also run
on the local gravel roads as a final prep for the race. Howard used to run
along side their van as his son drove but he hit too many tree limbs and
mailboxes as his son would get distracted. By the way, he lost his sight in
Vietnam as a result of a land mine. He wanted the VA to give him money for a
track that this company would build. The VA didn't think it was a good idea
that he go out in the field by himself. He said he didn't think it was a
good idea that he got his eyes blowed out either . Think he finally got some
money from them. Think the DAV helped him with that. Anyway, we came up
with the idea for his track. Lot of interesting stories about his running.
Kirk
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: The annual WACO Celebration and Reunion |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DAquaNut@aol.com
In a message dated 8/23/03 10:10:17 PM Central Standard Time,
WillUribe@aol.com writes:
<< The fly in was today and it's held at 1865 South County Road 25A, Troy,
Ohio.
I think it is held every year.
http://www.wacoairmuseum.org/
>>
Will,
Sorry, I thought You ment Waco Texas, Seeing you are in Texas. Just
wanted to know if there was a flyin close to home I was unaware of.
Ed ( in houston)
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| Subject: | EAA Easter Coast Regional Flying - canceled |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Chuck Davis - Comcast" <davis207@comcast.net>
Bill, Terry & others,
Sorry to hear the regional fly-in was cancelled. However, I am still
planning to make at least one day of the Chapter 240 fly-in on the 6/7th,
most likely the 7th. My chapter (176 - Trenton, NJ) is having our annual
picnic on the 6th, plus the wife has activities planned that preclude a full
day's absence.
I drove to this event a year or 2 ago, and it was a great gathering. I'm
hoping to see some other Kolbs this time. Anyone who's planning to attend,
let me know and we can try and hook up.
Chuck Davis
FF 028
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| Subject: | Vortex Generators |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Dave Rains <rr@htg.net>
Am considering a VG STC for my C-175, cost about $1,500.00
They worked very well on my FireStar II, improving slow flight characteristics
substantially.
Dave
do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Bourne [SMTP:biglar@gogittum.com]
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generators
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
What really puts the icing on, is that I just read an ad for VG's on a
Taylorcraft...........for $695.00..........and you install 'em. Food for
thought, tho'................instead of tape, they use Loctite's "Depend"
adhesive to hold them on. Fast Movin' Lar, north of
Shreveport, LA., on Sat. night. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <HShack@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vortex Generators
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 8/23/03 10:57:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ulflyer@verizon.net writes:
>
>
> > What kind of increase did you see on cruise speed?
> > jerb
> >
> >
> I have not documented this. Most of the performance gains are
theoretical,
> except for the lowering of stall speed. In my opinion, just to be able to
> lower stall by 5 mph is incredible, especially when you consider you can
build &
> install them in under two hours & less than $20.
>
> Back to theoretical increase of cruise speed with same rpm; we know the
VG's
> are working because the stall has lowered. Not to oversimplify, but the
> moving air is staying attached more to the top wing surface, creating more
lift
> for the same angle of attack. Therefore, we should be able to lower the
angle
> of attack [therefore less drag]
> with the result of an increase in speed with no throttle change.
>
> For this same reason, top speed should increase.
>
> I've also installed three VG's on each side of my fuselage to give better
> airflow to the prop [again, theoretical].
>
> Shack
> FS II
> SC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 08/23/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
> My MK3 runs great with the 618 but in the last few flights it seems to have
>
> >developed a buzzing or whining sound at full throttle. As I level off and
> >throttle back, as soon as I come below 5900 rpm it dissapears. Probably
> prop noise
>
> >but I hav'nt changed anything and it never made this sound in 7 yrs? We
> all
> >know how as pilots that we are very sensitive to any change in sounds.
> > Thanks for any feed back.
> >
> >Fly Safe
> >Bob Griffin
> I had sent this in to the list about a month ago and have solved the
> mystery. The lexan cut out door in the wing gap area which allows the ballistic
> chute to exit, was held down with velcro which had come loose and at high rpm
the
> lexan vibrated like a guitar string. At a lower rpm the noise went away. For
> the time being, I have glued down the velcro with liquid nails. So far so
> good.
Bob Griffin
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 08/23/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Bean <slyck@frontiernet.net>
>
>
>
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>>For
>>the time being, I have glued down the velcro with liquid nails. So far so
>>good.
>>
>>
>Bob Griffin
>
Bob, Richard Pike and I really like GOOP. -Was there a Mohawk valley
ultralight's fly in this year? -BB do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: speaking of Vortex generators..WOW |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
After flying quite abit today...I will add this comment about those VG's...
with 1 notch of flaps...the little bird floats an awful lot more than it did
before..I had gotten used to landing the FireFly..
and I was really "grease'n em in"
I have not done that since installing VG's..I have not had any hard
landings, but I have had a bounce or 2 on every one since.Hard to believe
its floats like it does now with one notch of flaps...but it does.
No, Im not going to take them off...just practice landing till I get better
at it!
BTW..Jack H..I met a couple of your compadres this weekend at the Fly-in up
here at Tommy's airpark. some real fine fellows...even if they do fly
Challengers!
Don
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 08/23/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
Does GOOP dry hard or is it soft and pliable. I always wondered! Hows
it's bonding strength?
jerb
do not archive
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| Subject: | Attaching velcro |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
At 08:26 PM 8/24/03 -0400, you wrote:
>Several years ago I had some velcro which seemed like it gradually would
>turn loose from the glue, and I ended up drilling a bunch of little holes
>down either side of the velcro strip and "sewing" it to the aluminum sheet
>with thin wire. That, combined with the glue, gave me peace of mind that
>it wouldn't come loose, and the little strands of wire running across the
>face of the velcro didn't seem to cause any problem.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: Airgriff2@aol.com
>
>The lexan cut out door in the wing gap area which allows the ballistic
> > chute to exit, was held down with velcro which had come loose and at
> high rpm the
> > lexan vibrated like a guitar string. At a lower rpm the noise went
> away. For
> > the time being, I have glued down the velcro with liquid nails. So far so
> > good.
>Bob Griffin
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
It dries pliable and bonding strength is excellent. It can be a pain to
work with if you get messy at all. I plan to use it to attach the vortex
generators to my wing, and I will have a helper lest I make a sloppy mess
all over the wing.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420p (420ldPoops)
At 09:17 PM 8/24/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
>
>Does GOOP dry hard or is it soft and pliable. I always wondered! Hows
>it's bonding strength?
>jerb
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 08/23/03 |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: HShack@aol.com
In a message dated 8/24/03 10:14:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ulflyer@verizon.net writes:
> Does GOOP dry hard or is it soft and pliable. I always wondered! Hows
> it's bonding strength?
> jerb
>
>
It dries really firm- much less pliable than silicone. Very strong! If it's
real important to get a really strong bond, use a fresh tube.
Shack
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | cherry grove fly in |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Mhqqqqq@aol.com
Sunday aug. 31 is the 11th anual cherry grove airpark flyin. all are
welcome.
cherry grove airpark is in wanamingo mn. you can get info at
<A HREF="www.theflyin.com">www.theflyin.com
Mark
twinstar.
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| Subject: | UL Activity in FL |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: gtalexander@att.net
Kolbers:
Am in the process of exploring areas of FL as possible sites to relocate.
Strongly considering the areas around Bradenton, Sarasota, Venice, Englewood.
One of the factors is obviously UL activity, areas to hangar, etc... Anyone
with any thoughts/information about the area would be appreciated. email off-
list if you like. gtalexander@att.net
Thanks,
George Alexander
Original Firestar
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 <rp3420@motorola.com>
Welcome to the list uncle Craig! The photo's did not come thru? I'll have to
work with you on that.
nephew Timmy
-----Original Message-----
From: CRAIG M NELSON [mailto:vitalfx0@msn.com]
Subject: Kolb-List: uncle craig
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "CRAIG M NELSON" <vitalfx0@msn.com>
Uncle Craig has just signed up for the klob list, and hope to share on the info.
Tim and I have been so busy building the extra and f star that we haven't had
time to fix our downed web site. I started an engine faring at this time a
year ago, thought it would take me 2 mo. However in Jan I finally had a part to
put on the plane. I GOT THE AIR FRAME FROM THE POWDER COATER YESTERDAY AND TODAY
INSTALLED THE FUEL TANK AND GOT THE FABRICK PUT ON!!!!!!!!!!!! Hope it wont
be long before the first flight. If the files aren't to big here's 2 photos
of the engine faring.
Uncle Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: T. K. Frantz
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wood props
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "T. K. Frantz" <tkrolfe@usadatanet.net>
Kirk Smith wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
>
> Does anybody know who makes the wood props that Kolb uses on their fireflies?
Kirk
>
Kirk,
Tennessee Propellors makes the wood prop, at least they did a year ago. If your
looking to get a better price by dealing with them direct, think again. I tried
and
found that I was able to get a better price from TNK. Go figure?!!!
Found out they will do a urethane leading edge if you ask for it.
Terry - FireFly # 95
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