---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/29/03: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:27 AM - Re: More wing (Woody) 2. 05:55 AM - Re: More wing (Kirk Smith) 3. 09:05 AM - Another Dennis prop choice post (Gherkins Tim-rp3420) 4. 09:29 AM - Re: Another Dennis prop choice post (John Hauck) 5. 12:15 PM - Re: More wing (Woody) 6. 04:06 PM - Harley Powred Wright Flyer (Paul Petty) 7. 04:06 PM - Re: More wing (John Cooley) 8. 04:30 PM - Re: More wing (John Hauck) 9. 05:26 PM - Kitty Hawk---> London (SGreenpg@aol.com) 10. 06:10 PM - Re: Kitty Hawk---> London (John Williamson) 11. 08:44 PM - Prop Pitch Checker (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:48 AM PST US From: "Woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: More wing --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" > > Yes sir, it did. I read but did not respond. Are > you by chance referring to Woody's T-Bird Kolb clone? > > john h That ain't no clone. It is a stock Mk111 with a whole bunch of mods. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:10 AM PST US From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: More wing --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > > That ain't no clone. It is a stock Mk111 with a whole bunch of mods. Darn good looking bird too Woody. Is there a noticable lessening of pitch up and down with thrust changes compared to the standard configuraton? I would think it would be less sensitive to pitching up and down with the improved airflow to the lower part of the prop arc. Kirk Do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:22 AM PST US From: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 Subject: Kolb-List: Another Dennis prop choice post --> Kolb-List message posted by: Gherkins Tim-rp3420 Gang, Found another saved "Prop" message in my personal folder from Dennis S. This one was posted 11-2-01. Enjoy, Tim -----------Following message from Dennis Souder----------- "The Ivo was my favorite prop particuarily on the FS and FF. In the speed range of these AC, the Ivo does an excellent job and is very smooth running. Some time ago Phil Lockwood was experimenting with his Aircam (with 582's at the time) and tried different props on it at the same time. He could tell by the yawing of the AC which prop was developing more thrust. His findings: the Ivo was the winnner. (This was before Powerfin came along.) The other big advatage of the Ivo was the 2-1/2" Ivo prop spacer which place the Ivo further from the trailing edge of the wing. This reduced the noise considerably. The spacer works with the Ivo because the flexible blades reduces the vibration transmitter to the hub. This is most helpful on the FS2 where the prop is closer to the trailing edge than the other Kolb models. Had many hours on an Ivo on 447's, 503's, 582,s and 912's, never had a "proplem" Dennis" ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:10 AM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Another Dennis prop choice post --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > Found another saved "Prop" message in my personal folder from Dennis S. This one was posted 11-2-01. > Enjoy, Tim Hi Tim/All: I guess it boils down to how far you have to walk to get back home. One of the reasons I chose Warp Drive in 1993, and have not looked back since. June 1994, Sparky, private airstrip, south of Delta Junction, Alaska. My Warp Drive was responsible for preventing the end of my first flight to Dead Horse, Alaska. I turned it into a Bush Hog when I inadvertently tried to land on what I thought was a grass strip with tall weeds. Turned out to be tall Alder, the famous Alaska Bush. Guess we have about beat the prop thread to death. You all know where I stand on props though. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:12 PM PST US From: "Woody" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: More wing --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" I must be too used to Kolbs. I never notice any problem with pitch up or down. It seems to want to leave the ground about 32 mph. The new club Mk111 takes off at the same speed and it was built with the factory standard gap seal.Only Kolb I have flown that flies hands off. I still can;t believe it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: More wing > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" > > > > > That ain't no clone. It is a stock Mk111 with a whole bunch of mods. > > > Darn good looking bird too Woody. Is there a noticable lessening of pitch up > and down with thrust changes compared to the standard configuraton? I would > think it would be less sensitive to pitching up and down with the improved > airflow to the lower part of the prop arc. Kirk > > Do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:49 PM PST US From: "Paul Petty" Subject: Kolb-List: Harley Powred Wright Flyer --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Paul Petty" Dang..... Someone beat me to it errrrgggg... Check this out folks.... http://wrightflyer.usurf.usu.edu Go to building wow! pp ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:49 PM PST US From: "John Cooley" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: More wing --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Cooley" Woody, You got to share the secret with us. I use a digital level, two or three rolls of string and a couple of days when I do my rigging and they still want to roll left. Is this just me or is it the torque of the 2 stroke pusher motor? How about you fellows with the 912's, do you roll right or left when you let go of the stick? Before trim tabs and such of course. Later, John Cooley --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Woody" I must be too used to Kolbs. I never notice any problem with pitch up or down. It seems to want to leave the ground about 32 mph. The new club Mk111 takes off at the same speed and it was built with the factory standard gap seal.Only Kolb I have flown that flies hands off. I still can;t believe it. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:52 PM PST US From: John Hauck Subject: Re: Kolb-List: More wing --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck > You got to share the secret with us. I use a digital level, two or three > rolls of string and a couple of days when I do my rigging and they still > want to roll left. > John Cooley John C/Gang: That is part of the problem. Doesn't matter which way the prop turns, it will affect roll. The chance of not getting it rigged exact is another. If anyone has an "exact" rigged Kolb, it probably happened by accident. Chances are much greater to be the other way around. I rig the wings like Homer told me to in his plans and instruction book. When I do it that way, I can squeeze the max performance out of my airplane. It is unstable by design. Some have experimented with increased dihedral to increase stability, but in the process are sacrificing performance. I am not indicating increased airspeed, but lift, climb and maneuver performance. There are times in smooth air I can trim up Miss P'fer to fly for a period of time hands off. Enough time to unfold and fold a map, do my chores around the cockpit. Rough air knocks it off its even keel if I don't help it out a little. Take care, john h ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:57 PM PST US From: SGreenpg@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Kitty Hawk---> London --> Kolb-List message posted by: SGreenpg@aol.com John H. and John W. or any other John that is going, What day(s) do you plan to be at Kitty Hawk? I may try to intersect your flight path and join you at Kitty Hawk. Wouldn't be able to keep up for the whole flight but would like to join you in NC. Steven Green do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:33 PM PST US From: "John Williamson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kitty Hawk---> London --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" Fellow Adventurers, The plan as it stands now: 23 Sep: overnight Wetumka, AL 08A 24 Sep: overnight near Cherry Point, NC 62NC 25 Sep: arrive Kitty Hawk about 10:00 am, overnight either MWK or LNP 26 Sep: arrive Chesnut Knolls before 11:00 am The route is posted on my website: http://home.comcast.net/~KolbraPilot4/3KY2.htm Glad to have everybody join us for an arrival at TNK. John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, SN: 08, Verner 133M Airplane: 441 hours, Engine: 0 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:26 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Prop Pitch Checker --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike Since there has been some discussion on the list lately about making sure that your prop blades are pitched the same, thought I would add two pictures to my web page showing my ultra cheapo (but very accurate) blade pitch checker. It won't tell you the angle, but it will tell you if the blades are at the same angle or not. http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/Proppitch.html Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)