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1. 05:15 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: Hands Off! (DSmald@aol.com)
2. 06:04 AM - Kitty Hawk (Larry Bourne)
3. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: Hands Off! (bryan green)
4. 07:29 AM - Re: Kitty Hawk---> London (John Hauck)
5. 07:35 AM - Re: Prop Pitch Checker (John Hauck)
6. 08:02 AM - Re: Prop Pitch Checker (Kirk Smith)
7. 09:59 AM - trailer (ron wehba)
8. 10:31 AM - counter balances (boyd young)
9. 10:44 AM - wrightflyer (boyd young)
10. 02:40 PM - Roll (L. Ray Baker)
11. 02:43 PM - Re: trailer (Jim Ballenger)
12. 04:18 PM - Re: Prop Pitch Checker (Larry Bourne)
13. 06:19 PM - Re: Prop Pitch Checker (Kirk Smith)
14. 06:35 PM - Re: trailer (herbgh@juno.com)
15. 06:39 PM - Re: trailer (Masqqqqqqq@aol.com)
16. 07:13 PM - Re: Roll (Duncan McBride)
17. 07:19 PM - props again (MEMATUZAK@aol.com)
18. 07:31 PM - Re: Prop Pitch Checker (rharris@magnolia-net.com)
19. 08:04 PM - Re: props again (Richard Pike)
20. 08:34 PM - Re: Prop Pitch Checker (Larry Bourne)
21. 08:56 PM - Re: Prop Pitch Checker (John Hauck)
22. 09:12 PM - Re: props again (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: Hands Off! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: DSmald@aol.com
In a message dated 8/30/2003 2:57:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kolb-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> >>Only Kolb I have flown that flies hands off. I still can;t believe it.<<
Woody--
I should of let you fly my FS 1 when you were at Purdy Field ! At 50 mph, I
can "trim" it by sliding my feet forwards or backwards, it pretty much stays
where it's pointed.
Darren Smalec, FS1 40hp HIRTH, Central MI.
Do not archive
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
This morning I finally got the web page on my visit to Kitty Hawk published. I hope you guys enjoy it. See my new page at: http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/03homepage.html . Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: Hands Off! |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
Darren how many hours do you have on the Hirth and how do you like it? I'm
thinking about replacing my 377 next spring. do not archive
Bryan Green (Elgin SC)
----- Original Message -----
From: <DSmald@aol.com>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: Hands Off!
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: DSmald@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 8/30/2003 2:57:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> kolb-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
>
> > >>Only Kolb I have flown that flies hands off. I still can;t believe
it.<<
>
>
> Woody--
> I should of let you fly my FS 1 when you were at Purdy Field ! At 50 mph,
I
> can "trim" it by sliding my feet forwards or backwards, it pretty much
stays
> where it's pointed.
> Darren Smalec, FS1 40hp HIRTH, Central MI.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitty Hawk---> London |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> What day(s) do you plan to be at Kitty Hawk? I may try to intersect your
> flight path and join you at Kitty Hawk. Wouldn't be able to keep up for the
> whole flight but would like to join you in NC.
>
> Steven Green
Steven/All:
Be glad to have to join up, as I am sure John W and John
Bickham would also.
I see John W has posted a flight plan.
Stay in touch.
Anyone else is also welcome to come on board for the flight.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Pitch Checker |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Since there has been some discussion on the list lately about making sure
> that your prop blades are pitched the same, thought I would add two
> pictures to my web page showing my ultra cheapo (but very accurate) blade
> pitch checker.
> Richard Pike
Richard/All:
Good idea.
However, I have always used the protractor that is included
with the Warp.
Works for me.
john h
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Pitch Checker |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
I don't need to check for pitch variances between blades on my Warp Drive
unless I been brush hoggin with it. Then just use my 4 foot metal rule and
a piece of wood on the ground. Snuf
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HTML_30_40)
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
need help, lost my hard drive, somewhere i saw a picture of a kolb trailer with
a single square tube for the main part, the wheels were at the back, the plane
sat on the trailer tail forward. anyone know where I can find the pictures of
it again?
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"Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
| Subject: | counter balances |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
?? I had trouble figuring just
where "neutral" was, cause of the weight of the flaps.
I took the flaps off when i balanced the ailerons
boyd
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "boyd young" <by0ung@brigham.net>
http://wrightflyer.usurf.usu.edu
==============================
much more fun to ride in than read about.... i will have to get some
pictures posted.
boyd
i guess it was not kolb related so if any would like any info let me know.
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "L. Ray Baker" <rbaker-@atlantic.net>
John,
My Mark III with a 912 rolls left.
L. Ray Baker
Gainesville. FL
Woody,
You got to share the secret with us. I use a digital level, two or three
rolls of string and a couple of days when I do my rigging and they still
want to roll left. Is this just me or is it the torque of the 2 stroke
pusher motor? How about you fellows with the 912's, do you roll right or
left when you let go of the stick? Before trim tabs and such of course.
Later,
John Cooley
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jim Ballenger" <ulpilot@cavtel.net>
Ron
The new brochure from TNK company has a picture of the trailer you are
describing.
Jim Ballenger
Flying a FS KXP 447
Building a MK III X
Virginia Beach, VA
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: trailer
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
> need help, lost my hard drive, somewhere i saw a picture of a kolb trailer
with a single square tube for the main part, the wheels were at the back,
the plane sat on the trailer tail forward. anyone know where I can find the
pictures of it again?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Pitch Checker |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Yah, they work, but the trouble with bubbles (aside from "tiny bubbles") is
that it's very difficult to differentiate between a couple of degrees. The
bubble works quite well, but we're down to nit-picking now. Simplest and
most accurate way to pitch a prop that I've seen is to use a digital level.
They give truly accurate repeat-ability, but if you don't own one they're
expensive to buy for a one-time use like this. If you DO own one, or can
borrow one, go for it. Lar, at home in Palm Springs since
noon today - after 2 months and 2 days; 13,950 miles; 24 states; 5 Canadian
provinces. Sigh..........back to reality...........where's that
Waaaambulance ??
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Pitch Checker
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> > Since there has been some discussion on the list lately about making
sure
> > that your prop blades are pitched the same, thought I would add two
> > pictures to my web page showing my ultra cheapo (but very accurate)
blade
> > pitch checker.
> > Richard Pike
>
> Richard/All:
>
> Good idea.
>
> However, I have always used the protractor that is included
> with the Warp.
>
> Works for me.
>
> john h
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Pitch Checker |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Kirk Smith" <snuffy@usol.com>
> Yah, they work, but the trouble with bubbles (aside from "tiny bubbles")
is
> that it's very difficult to differentiate between a couple of degrees.
The
> bubble works quite well, but we're down to nit-picking now. Simplest and
> most accurate way to pitch a prop that I've seen is to use a digital
level.
> They give truly accurate repeat-ability, but if you don't own one they're
> expensive to buy for a one-time use like this. If you DO own one, or can
> borrow one, go for it. Lar, at home in Palm Springs
since
> noon today - after 2 months and 2 days; 13,950 miles; 24 states; 5
Canadian
> provinces. Sigh..........back to reality...........where's that
> Waaaambulance ??
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Pitch Checker
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> >
> >
> > > Since there has been some discussion on the list lately about making
> sure
> > > that your prop blades are pitched the same, thought I would add two
> > > pictures to my web page showing my ultra cheapo (but very accurate)
> blade
> > > pitch checker.
> > > Richard Pike
> >
> > Richard/All:
> >
> > Good idea.
> >
> > However, I have always used the protractor that is included
> > with the Warp.
> >
> > Works for me.
> >
> > john h
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: herbgh@juno.com
Ronnie
The Ultra Star plans that I have came with a single page drawing that
is as you describe. Scanner is busted. I can borrow my buddys computer
tomorrow and scan it if you want.
It uses square tubing, 2X2 inches with 1/8 inch wall for the most
part. You are on your own for the axle and springs however. Suggested
tires are 4.80--4.00X8. Herb in Ky
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:56:47 -0500 HTML_30_40) "ron wehba"
<rwehba@wtxs.net> writes:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
>
> need help, lost my hard drive, somewhere i saw a picture of a kolb
> trailer with a single square tube for the main part, the wheels were
> at the back, the plane sat on the trailer tail forward. anyone know
> where I can find the pictures of it again?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Masqqqqqqq@aol.com
I wonder if it was my pictures.
Here:
http://www.iverstuff.com/my_1984_kolb_ultrastar.htm
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Duncan McBride" <duncanmcbride@comcast.net>
Mine too. I've been reading the archives and I think I'm going to raise the
thrust angle (washers under the front edge of the engine) so as to induce a
little p-factor into the mix. I have to use an aileron trim tab about 2.5
inches by 20 inches angled down about 20 degrees to fly the right aileron
now. At cruise the right aileron wants to fly up about 3/4 inch at the
trailing edge (that's eyeballing it from the cockpit) and that's enough that
the stick pressure to keep the wings level is negligible. Sure hate to fly
with the ailerons sticking out in the airflow.
----- Original Message -----
From: "L. Ray Baker" <rbaker-@atlantic.net>
Subject: Kolb-List: Roll
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "L. Ray Baker" <rbaker-@atlantic.net>
>
> John,
>
> My Mark III with a 912 rolls left.
>
> L. Ray Baker
> Gainesville. FL
>
>
> Woody,
>
> You got to share the secret with us. I use a digital level, two or three
> rolls of string and a couple of days when I do my rigging and they still
> want to roll left. Is this just me or is it the torque of the 2 stroke
> pusher motor? How about you fellows with the 912's, do you roll right or
> left when you let go of the stick? Before trim tabs and such of course.
>
> Later,
> John Cooley
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: MEMATUZAK@aol.com
Ive got a FSII with a 503. Presently have a Tenn. wood prop. Just got a a
full lotus system so she will be seeing more H2O. What are the suggestion on
make and size of prop to invest in??
Also sounds like VG's would help get her off the water. Where do I get the
details on making them.
Thanks everyone:)
FSII 200 GREAT hours
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Pitch Checker |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: rharris@magnolia-net.com
Lar. YOU are is serious trouble, Made that post about being here and
didn't say nothing about Charlotte's cornbread... I couldn't help it She
read the post.
Richard
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
>
> Yah, they work, but the trouble with bubbles (aside from "tiny bubbles")
is
> that it's very difficult to differentiate between a couple of degrees.
The
> bubble works quite well, but we're down to nit-picking now. Simplest and
> most accurate way to pitch a prop that I've seen is to use a digital
level.
> They give truly accurate repeat-ability, but if you don't own one they're
> expensive to buy for a one-time use like this. If you DO own one, or can
> borrow one, go for it. Lar, at home in Palm Springs
since
> noon today - after 2 months and 2 days; 13,950 miles; 24 states; 5
Canadian
> provinces. Sigh..........back to reality...........where's that
> Waaaambulance ??
>
> Larry Bourne
> Palm Springs, CA
> Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
> www.gogittum.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Pitch Checker
>
>
> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> >
> >
> > > Since there has been some discussion on the list lately about making
> sure
> > > that your prop blades are pitched the same, thought I would add two
> > > pictures to my web page showing my ultra cheapo (but very accurate)
> blade
> > > pitch checker.
> > > Richard Pike
> >
> > Richard/All:
> >
> > Good idea.
> >
> > However, I have always used the protractor that is included
> > with the Warp.
> >
> > Works for me.
> >
> > john h
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
Although I am an IVO user I would go with a 66" 2-blade Warp. (assuming a
2.58:1 gearbox)
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
At 10:18 PM 8/30/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: MEMATUZAK@aol.com
>
>Ive got a FSII with a 503. Presently have a Tenn. wood prop. Just got a a
>full lotus system so she will be seeing more H2O. What are the suggestion on
>make and size of prop to invest in??
>
>Also sounds like VG's would help get her off the water. Where do I get the
>details on making them.
>
>Thanks everyone:)
>FSII 200 GREAT hours
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Pitch Checker |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
Please, Kind Sir: Explain to your lovely wife that if I tried to list all
the neat and good stuff I enjoyed during my visit with you, it would've been
2 pages long, and the whole Kolb List would have been not only mad, but
jealous, too, and we couldn't have that, could we ?? It was a GOOD
visit................good food too - all the food ! ! ! Sure hated to
come home; I really like that on-the-road lifestyle. Fattened
Up Lar. Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB
www.gogittum.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <rharris@magnolia-net.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop Pitch Checker
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: rharris@magnolia-net.com
>
> Lar. YOU are is serious trouble, Made that post about being here and
> didn't say nothing about Charlotte's cornbread... I couldn't help it She
> read the post.
>
> Richard
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Pitch Checker |
--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Larry Bourne wrote:
> Yah, they work, but the trouble with bubbles (aside from
> "tiny bubbles") is that it's very difficult to
> differentiate between a couple of degrees.
I beg to disagree. Using my trusty little Warp Drive
Protractor correctly, which isn't difficult if I can do it,
I keep the bubble between the lines. If I do all three
blades the same, then I am not differentiating a couple of
degrees. I don't really care what the pitch or the degree
of the angle is, all I want is for all three blades to be
the same. The protractor will get me close to the first
setting. Static runup, increase or decrease until I have it
where I want it. One half of one degree pitch change is
simple to attain with the Warp Drive Protractor.
Warps don't like to fly with blades of different pitch
settings. It will tell you right away that it is unhappy.
Don't think I have been flying the last 10 years with prop
out of pitch. :-)
The bubble
> works quite well, but we're down to nit-picking now.
Keep on nit-picking and you'll spend more time nit-picking
than flying.
> Simplest and most accurate way to pitch a prop that I've
> seen is to use a digital level. They give truly accurate
> repeat-ability,
Probably not at repeatable as the old spirit level. Bet
that high dollar digital thing-a-ma-jig has to be calibrated
periodically, is sensitive to heat and cold, and extremely
sensitive to the sudden stop on a concrete floor after it
has been dropped.
> Lar, at home in Palm Springs since noon today - after 2
> months and 2 days; 13,950 miles; 24 states; 5 Canadian
> provinces. Sigh..........back to
> reality...........where's that Waaaambulance ??
Welcome home. Now you can enjoy the thrill of "after trip
withdrawal pains".
john h (Some things do not need to be reinvented)
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
MEMATUZAK@aol.com wrote:
> What are the suggestion on
> make and size of prop to invest in??
MEMATUZAK/All:
That isn't your name is it?
I'm sure the Power Fin and IVO boys will tell you to use
their prop. However, I think is I was going to fly off
water I could expect a lot of the same type atmosphere as
flying in heavy rain. In that case, I personally, would not
want to fly with a wooden prop (tried that in heavy rain
without a protected edge), an IVO with silver tape leading
edges, or a Power Fin which probably also uses silver tape
for leading edge protection. I have personally experienced
flight in heavy rain for extended periods of time with the
old faithful Warp Drive with 15" of nickel steel inlaid
leading edge on a solid carbon fiber blade. Warp comes
through with "flying" colors.
Do you know if you are going to get caught in a rain storm,
rain shower, or a sprinkle, at some time during your flying
career?
john h
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