Kolb-List Digest Archive

Wed 09/03/03


Total Messages Posted: 27



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     1. 08:35 AM - Re: Tiny Tach #s vs. Westach #s (Dave & Eve Pelletier)
     2. 08:37 AM - Spark Plug Gap (Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM)
     3. 09:36 AM - Re: Tiny Tach #s vs. Westach #s (Richard Pike)
     4. 10:15 AM - Re: Tiny Tach #s vs. Westach #s (John Hauck)
     5. 10:28 AM - MKIII Throttle Extension (Harry Wingert)
     6. 11:02 AM - Re: MKIII Throttle Extension (Larry Bourne)
     7. 02:10 PM - FAA Inspection is over ... . (Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious)
     8. 02:19 PM - Re: Testing Notes (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
     9. 02:27 PM - Re: MKIII Throttle Extension (Richard Pike)
    10. 02:44 PM - Re: FAA Inspection is over ... . (Larry Bourne)
    11. 02:51 PM - Web Pages - Done (Larry Bourne)
    12. 03:09 PM - Re: FAA Inspection is over ... . (John Hauck)
    13. 03:16 PM - Re: MKIII Throttle Extension (Harry Wingert)
    14. 03:21 PM - Re: MKIII Throttle Extension (Harry Wingert)
    15. 03:58 PM - Re: Tiny Tach #s vs. Westach #s (jerb)
    16. 04:38 PM - Re: MKIII Throttle Extension (ron wehba)
    17. 04:58 PM - Re: FAA Inspection is over ... . (Larry Bourne)
    18. 06:10 PM - TRIP, Oil pressure gauge & sad news (Scott Trask)
    19. 06:43 PM - Re: Testing Notes (GeoR38@aol.com)
    20. 06:55 PM - Annual Fly-in pics (Don Gherardini)
    21. 07:21 PM - Re: TRIP, Oil pressure gauge & sad news (John Williamson)
    22. 07:26 PM - Re: Tiny Tach #s vs. Westach #s (Richard Pike)
    23. 08:15 PM - Re: TRIP, Oil pressure gauge & sad news (John Hauck)
    24. 08:17 PM - Re: Tiny Tach #s vs. Westach #s (jerb)
    25. 08:28 PM - Safety Question - Oil pressure gauge (jerb)
    26. 08:34 PM - Michigan Thumb Fall Color Tour (Fackler, Ken)
    27. 08:46 PM - Re: Safety Question - Oil pressure gauge (John Hauck)
 
 
 


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    Time: 08:35:24 AM PST US
    From: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net>
    Subject: Re: Tiny Tach #s vs. Westach #s
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" <pelletier@cableone.net> John H./Richard/All I'm a non-mechanic, so take what I'm saying with that in mind. Years ago, I found that the best "fuel saver" was a vacuum gauge on my pickup. It was amazing how quick you let up on the gas when you see the needle really react and know that you're pouring gas thru the carbs. It sounds like your fuel flow meter. Are they kind of the same? If so, I know vacuum gauges then only cost around $10 or so (Does that tell you how long ago). If all of this is correct, then would it be worth it to put one in the Mk III (582)? I 'spect it would be hooked up to the vacuum line to the fuel pump, wouldn't it? Regards, AzDave Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tiny Tach #s vs. Westach #s > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > > Richard/All: > > Save your pennies for a fuel flow meter. I have had one on > the boat for years. It is one of the best instruments I > have ever had. It is amazing how quickly I come back on the > throttle when the flow reaches 12 to 13 gph. Found I could > reduce power and get almost the same cruise at 10gph. > > I should start looking for one for the MK III. Probably > really help get me into the best cruise/fuel burn power setting. > > I don't know if cleaning a prop helps performance or not. I > clean mine periodically anyhow. Some say a rough surface is > more efficient than a clean polished surface on a prop. > > It seems though, that when I wash ole Miss P'fer, she flies > like a new one. > > Take care, > > john h > > > Richard Pike wrote: > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> > > > > Have had problems for a while with the Westach tach on my 582, turned out > > to be the tach coil in the Ducati ignition, apparently it's a fairly common > > problem. Added a Tiny Tach to the panel to compare against the original > > tach and was pleasantly surprised at how well the Tiny Tach works. > > Was unpleasantly surprised to very carefully do a series of airspeed/rpm > > checks and discovered that 20P is not quite as speedy at various engine > > settings as it seemed with the Westach. It is still a bit better than TNK > > advertises, but not as good as it seemed before. Bleah. Hate to have to > > admit it, but it's true. And confession is good for the soul, even if it > > doesn't do much for the ego... > > > > 4500 rpm = 50 mph > > 5000 rpm = 60 mph > > 5500 rpm = 70 mph > > 6000 rpm = 80 mph > > 6450 rpm = 90 mph > > > > Checked the prop on preflight, it was covered with bug guts, chose not to > > clean it, so these numbers are not optimum, but probably fairly typical of > > day in day out stuff. I know if I wash the airplane, polish the prop, etc, > > I can get a couple more mph here or there, and a 92-93 mph top end, but I > > think these numbers are probably real world performance. > > > > Climbout is at 6200-6250 and gives about 800-900 fpm with the oat around > > 80, so that's not too bad. Now I need to get out the complicated and > > confusing Rotax fuel flow chart and try and figure out what best economy > > cruise REALLY is. And fix my web page to reflect the real numbers. > > > > Richard Pike > > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:37:23 AM PST US
    From: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
    Subject: Spark Plug Gap
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Kirby Dennis Contr ASC/TM <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> Kolb Friends - What's the preferred method for setting the gaps on aviation spark plugs? (The kind of plugs with the two side electrodes.) Do I need a special tool, or will pliers or a vice work? I have a blade-type feeler guage. Will this work, or do I need a wire-type feeler guage? Many thanks ... Dennis Kirby Mark-3, Verner-powred in Cedar Crest, NM


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    Time: 09:36:14 AM PST US
    From: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Tiny Tach #s vs. Westach #s
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> Interesting thought. I bought one of those little vacuum gauges and hooked it up to the primer port in the side of the Bing carbs, and got nothing, zilch. But running a tee off the vacuum pulse line at the back of the fuel pump? Hummm... It will have to have a restrictor in line to damp out the pulses, but that's no problem. I'll let you know in a week or so how it works. It could be that the tuning of the exhaust will affect the pressure of the intake pulses, but who knows? And it could be that measuring the pressure pulses in the crankcase of a 2-stroke is apples and oranges compared to measuring the manifold vacuum of a 4-stroke. But I already have the gauge, and I can use it to replace the useless Westach tach. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) At 08:34 AM 9/3/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Dave & Eve Pelletier" ><pelletier@cableone.net> > >John H./Richard/All > I'm a non-mechanic, so take what I'm saying with that in mind. Years >ago, I found that the best "fuel saver" was a vacuum gauge on my pickup. It >was amazing how quick you let up on the gas when you see the needle really >react and know that you're pouring gas thru the carbs. It sounds like your >fuel flow meter. Are they kind of the same? If so, I know vacuum gauges >then only cost around $10 or so (Does that tell you how long ago). If all >of this is correct, then would it be worth it to put one in the Mk III >(582)? I 'spect it would be hooked up to the vacuum line to the fuel pump, >wouldn't it? >Regards, >AzDave >Do Not Archive >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> >To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tiny Tach #s vs. Westach #s > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > > > > Richard/All: > > > > Save your pennies for a fuel flow meter. I have had one on > > the boat for years. It is one of the best instruments I > > have ever had. It is amazing how quickly I come back on the > > throttle when the flow reaches 12 to 13 gph. Found I could > > reduce power and get almost the same cruise at 10gph. > > > > I should start looking for one for the MK III. Probably > > really help get me into the best cruise/fuel burn power setting. > > > > I don't know if cleaning a prop helps performance or not. I > > clean mine periodically anyhow. Some say a rough surface is > > more efficient than a clean polished surface on a prop. > > > > It seems though, that when I wash ole Miss P'fer, she flies > > like a new one. > > > > Take care, > > > > john h > > > > > > Richard Pike wrote: > > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> > > > > > > Have had problems for a while with the Westach tach on my 582, turned >out > > > to be the tach coil in the Ducati ignition, apparently it's a fairly >common > > > problem. Added a Tiny Tach to the panel to compare against the original > > > tach and was pleasantly surprised at how well the Tiny Tach works. > > > Was unpleasantly surprised to very carefully do a series of airspeed/rpm > > > checks and discovered that 20P is not quite as speedy at various engine > > > settings as it seemed with the Westach. It is still a bit better than >TNK > > > advertises, but not as good as it seemed before. Bleah. Hate to have to > > > admit it, but it's true. And confession is good for the soul, even if it > > > doesn't do much for the ego... > > > > > > 4500 rpm = 50 mph > > > 5000 rpm = 60 mph > > > 5500 rpm = 70 mph > > > 6000 rpm = 80 mph > > > 6450 rpm = 90 mph > > > > > > Checked the prop on preflight, it was covered with bug guts, chose not >to > > > clean it, so these numbers are not optimum, but probably fairly typical >of > > > day in day out stuff. I know if I wash the airplane, polish the prop, >etc, > > > I can get a couple more mph here or there, and a 92-93 mph top end, but >I > > > think these numbers are probably real world performance. > > > > > > Climbout is at 6200-6250 and gives about 800-900 fpm with the oat around > > > 80, so that's not too bad. Now I need to get out the complicated and > > > confusing Rotax fuel flow chart and try and figure out what best economy > > > cruise REALLY is. And fix my web page to reflect the real numbers. > > > > > > Richard Pike > > > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > > > Do Not Archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:15:00 AM PST US
    From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Tiny Tach #s vs. Westach #s
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > John H./Richard/All I'm a non-mechanic, so take what I'm > saying with that in mind. Years ago, I found that the > best "fuel saver" was a vacuum gauge on my pickup. > AzDave Dave/All: Good to hear form you. I send Eve my love. What a gal. Best damn cook at MV. Course AZ Dave helped her a little. That reminds me of what a good time everyone had at MV. I look forward to doing it again soonest. I have used the vacuum gauge in boat and car. It is a good reminder to come off the power to save fuel. However, for me, the fuel flow meter really gets my attention when it shouts the full gallons and tenth of gallons racing through the system. Maybe use both and get the max out of them. Take care, john h


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    Time: 10:28:16 AM PST US
    From: "Harry Wingert" <Geezertwo@cox.net>
    Subject: MKIII Throttle Extension
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Harry Wingert" <Geezertwo@cox.net> I am looking for the hardware to move my throttle from center to the left side of the cockpit. Does anyone know where I can order it? Harry Wingert


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    Time: 11:02:29 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
    Subject: Re: MKIII Throttle Extension
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> I'm not sure there's a kit available. It's pretty simple to build; if you like, take a look at mine on my website, under "Building Vamoose." Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Wingert" <Geezertwo@cox.net> Subject: Kolb-List: MKIII Throttle Extension > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Harry Wingert" <Geezertwo@cox.net> > > I am looking for the hardware to move my throttle from center to the left side of the cockpit. Does anyone know where I can order it? > Harry Wingert > >


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    Time: 02:10:20 PM PST US
    From: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com>
    Subject: FAA Inspection is over ... .
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com> And I have an airworthiness certificate AND a Repairman's certificate in my possession! The FAA lady was a real sweetheart. Now there's one woman that dearly loves general aviation! She talked about getting goose bumps listening to the sound of the big radial engines at Oshkosh and touching the fabric on their old wings. The inspection lasted 5 hours but that was only because of all the stories she wanted to tell. Hardly took a glance at the builder's log, pictures, or even the airplane for that matter. Thanx again for all the Kolb List help. It was most valuable! See ya'll at the Kolb Fly In later this month! Bob Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious Tenacity Farm Campbellsburg, Kentucky


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    Time: 02:19:25 PM PST US
    From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Testing Notes
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com In a message dated 09/01/2003 9:47:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, oday@cableone.net writes: > Much to windy today for UL novice flying. Will wait for a calm wind > condition (rare in ND) or a light wind aligned with the runway. You got that right! I was stationed at Grand Forks, ND, AFB in 1959 and that was the windiest place I have ever been subjected to. I had a little Ducati motorcycle that wouldn't (couldn't) buck the head wind in 4th gear. Had to shift down to 3rd, gain some speed, then try 4th again until it slowed down and repeat the procedure all over again. Do Not Archive Bill Varnes Original FireStar Audubon NJ


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    Time: 02:27:57 PM PST US
    From: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: MKIII Throttle Extension
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> Lockwood catalog, page 127, top right. I would use the two lever, non-reversing SR2NI setup and use the red knob for the starter enrichner. Be aware that you will need to weld some tabs to your cockpit tubing to attach it, and also weld some cable housing retaining stops to the cockpit tubing. I am very satisfied with it, Aircraft Spruce and CPS also sell it. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) do not archive At 12:27 PM 9/3/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Harry Wingert" <Geezertwo@cox.net> > >I am looking for the hardware to move my throttle from center to the left >side of the cockpit. Does anyone know where I can order it? >Harry Wingert > >


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    Time: 02:44:24 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
    Subject: Re: FAA Inspection is over ... .
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> Good for you................hope I get one like that. 5 hours ?? You must've been wore out. Lar. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com> Subject: Kolb-List: FAA Inspection is over ... . > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Bob, Kathleen, & Kory Brocious" <bbrocious@hotmail.com> > > And I have an airworthiness certificate AND a Repairman's certificate in my > possession! The FAA lady was a real sweetheart. Now there's one woman that > dearly loves general aviation! She talked about getting goose bumps > listening to the sound of the big radial engines at Oshkosh and touching the > fabric on their old wings. The inspection lasted 5 hours but that was only > because of all the stories she wanted to tell. Hardly took a glance at the > builder's log, pictures, or even the airplane for that matter. > > Thanx again for all the Kolb List help. It was most valuable! See ya'll at > the Kolb Fly In later this month! > Bob > > Bob, Kathleen, and Kory Brocious > Tenacity Farm > Campbellsburg, Kentucky > >


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    Time: 02:51:28 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
    Subject: Web Pages - Done
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> I'm pleased to say that after mighty exertions and brain straining thought, I finally finished the web pages on my trip. These final 2 cover my visit to Richard & Charlotte Harris in Arkansas, and the West page covers visits to Ronnie Wehba and Dave Rains, as well as Carlsbad Caverns. Take a look at: http://www.webpictures.homestead.com/travelling.html . Go to "Vacation 03" and click on the appropriate title. Nope.............no work on Vamoose yet - it's 112 degrees in the shade out there today, up from 108 yesterday, and ol' Lar is holed up for the time being, with the A/C running nearly steady. Snivel snivel ! ! ! Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com


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    Time: 03:09:35 PM PST US
    From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: FAA Inspection is over ... .
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > Good for you................hope I get one like that. 5 hours ?? You > must've been wore out. Lar. Bob/All: Big Lar wants to know if she was worn out? hehehe john h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 03:16:19 PM PST US
    From: "Harry Wingert" <Geezertwo@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: MKIII Throttle Extension
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Harry Wingert" <Geezertwo@cox.net> Thanks Richard Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Throttle Extension > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> > > Lockwood catalog, page 127, top right. I would use the two lever, > non-reversing SR2NI setup and use the red knob for the starter > enrichner. Be aware that you will need to weld some tabs to your cockpit > tubing to attach it, and also weld some cable housing retaining stops to > the cockpit tubing. > I am very satisfied with it, Aircraft Spruce and CPS also sell it. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > do not archive > > > At 12:27 PM 9/3/03 -0500, you wrote: > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Harry Wingert" <Geezertwo@cox.net> > > > >I am looking for the hardware to move my throttle from center to the left > >side of the cockpit. Does anyone know where I can order it? > >Harry Wingert > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:21:37 PM PST US
    From: "Harry Wingert" <Geezertwo@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: MKIII Throttle Extension
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Harry Wingert" <Geezertwo@cox.net> Thanks Lar Har ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Throttle Extension > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> > > I'm not sure there's a kit available. It's pretty simple to build; if you > like, take a look at mine on my website, under "Building Vamoose." > Lar. > > Larry Bourne > Palm Springs, CA > Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB > www.gogittum.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harry Wingert" <Geezertwo@cox.net> > To: "Kolb Chat Line" <kolb-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Kolb-List: MKIII Throttle Extension > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Harry Wingert" <Geezertwo@cox.net> > > > > I am looking for the hardware to move my throttle from center to the left > side of the cockpit. Does anyone know where I can order it? > > Harry Wingert > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:58:11 PM PST US
    From: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Tiny Tach #s vs. Westach #s
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> Richard, Do you have an EIS engine monitor. You may be able to get it converted to add the fuel flow option. I got it and really like it but it will set you back about $300 if I recall right. jerb do not archive At 11:07 PM 9/2/03 -0500, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > >Richard/All: > >Save your pennies for a fuel flow meter. I have had one on >the boat for years. It is one of the best instruments I >have ever had. It is amazing how quickly I come back on the >throttle when the flow reaches 12 to 13 gph. Found I could >reduce power and get almost the same cruise at 10gph. snip... do not archive


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    Time: 04:38:26 PM PST US
    From: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net>
    Subject: Re: MKIII Throttle Extension
    BAYES_30, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM, REFERENCES) --> Kolb-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@wtxs.net> Larry, really enjoyed your visit here, hope you had a great time,if anyone on the list missed larry ,,you missed a swell fellow. thanks for the part in you site,,ron in still hot texas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Wingert" <Geezertwo@cox.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Throttle Extension > --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Harry Wingert" <Geezertwo@cox.net> > > Thanks Richard > Harry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Pike" <rwpike@charter.net> > To: <kolb-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MKIII Throttle Extension > > > > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> > > > > Lockwood catalog, page 127, top right. I would use the two lever, > > non-reversing SR2NI setup and use the red knob for the starter > > enrichner. Be aware that you will need to weld some tabs to your cockpit > > tubing to attach it, and also weld some cable housing retaining stops to > > the cockpit tubing. > > I am very satisfied with it, Aircraft Spruce and CPS also sell it. > > > > Richard Pike > > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > > do not archive > > > > > > At 12:27 PM 9/3/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Harry Wingert" <Geezertwo@cox.net> > > > > > >I am looking for the hardware to move my throttle from center to the left > > >side of the cockpit. Does anyone know where I can order it? > > >Harry Wingert > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:58:03 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com>
    Subject: Re: FAA Inspection is over ... .
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Larry Bourne" <biglar@gogittum.com> Yah, I know what you're thinking, you nasty ol' man. Innocent Lar. Do not Archive. Larry Bourne Palm Springs, CA Kolb Mk III - Vamoose N78LB www.gogittum.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FAA Inspection is over ... . > --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > > > > Good for you................hope I get one like that. 5 hours ?? You > > must've been wore out. Lar. > > Bob/All: > > Big Lar wants to know if she was worn out? hehehe > > john h > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > >


    Message 18


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    Time: 06:10:42 PM PST US
    Subject: TRIP, Oil pressure gauge & sad news
    From: Scott Trask <sctrask@diisd.org>
    (not processed: message from valid local sender) --> Kolb-List message posted by: Scott Trask <sctrask@diisd.org> Hi Last month my wife and I flew down around lower Michigan and it was a nice trip. The weather mostly was good. We had one day that we had to sit for 4 hours because of low ceiling. We didn't get over to see Rick Neilsen or my wife's brother on that side of the state because the weather was not doing too good. We began our 5-day trip by flying up to Munising (Lake Superior) and followed the shoreline for a ways. Then to Mackinac Island, around the thumb area and ventured to the west. Our goal was to hop & stop at many airports--flying short legs. We stopped at an airport in the thumb that had sailplanes and caught a ride--that was great! Then we headed north, back over the bridge to the U.P. We flew to Whitefish Point, following the Lake Superior shoreline we had missed on the way down to Lower Michigan. Then I experienced loss in oil pressure--or at least my gauge said so. It couldn't have happened at a worse place! I watched the needle drop to about 20 lbs. then back to 50 lbs. and then to 0 or below and then back up to 50 lbs. I was playing with the throttle, seeing if the oil pressure would get better. My wife asked me what I was doing. I pointed to the oil pressure gauge and now she could sit on the edge of her seat too. All we had to land on was tree tops. The engine kept running, the temperature didn't get any hotter. I headed to the closest airport (Luce County in Newberry) about 40 miles away. By then I knew my oil pressure gauge couldn't be right. I should have put a piece of tape over the gauge so I couldn't see it, in case it did its crazy dance again. From then on, however, the gauge read that I had adequate pressure. When I got home, I put a manual gauge on and got rid of the sending unit system! John Hauck, John Williamson and Rick Neilsen, it was a pleasure to have you guys as guests in my home on the way to Oshkosh this year. It was a load of fun to watch you guys to fly in, as well as to fly out with you to Oshkosh. Hope we can do it again next year. One thing I was a bit disappointed in was that after I fed you guys pasties and venison, nobody jumped up and volunteered to move my wood pile into the hangar for the winter. (It's just a little 8-hour job, after all!) Maybe next year I'll have to try porketta and wild turkey and see if I get any volunteers then! Just a quick note and invitation to all you out there. My EAA Chapter 439 is sponsoring a fly-in at IMT on Saturday, Sept. 20 (rain day Sept. 21). One sad note. Aaron Gustafson (the guy that flew in the day before our Oshkosh trip and had a flat tire on his Firestar) lost his 29 year old son in an auto accident. He had a wife and two kids. Scott Trask MKIII IMT


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    Time: 06:43:42 PM PST US
    From: GeoR38@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Testing Notes
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: GeoR38@aol.com In a message dated 9/1/03 9:47:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, oday@cableone.net writes: > I posted a couple of pictures to the web. My pictures are not great, but it > is of interest just how flat the ND land is. Trees in this part of the > country are all planted. > > http://myweb.cableone.net/ODAY/index.html > Do not archive Why, I thought those were great pictures....sure wish I was smart enough to put some on the web. BTW ...were those REALLY angels or someone's darling daughters?...nice touch. George RAndolph firestar driver from Akron....er ... The Villages in Fla


    Message 20


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    Time: 06:55:45 PM PST US
    From: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net>
    Subject: Annual Fly-in pics
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Don Gherardini" <donghe@one-eleven.net> I Just recieved a message from the webmaster of American Aero's web site. he posted pictures of the Fly-in at Tommy's Airpark at lake Sangchris, where my bird is hangared . The Fly-in was a HUGE success...over 100 planes showed up.....well....about 90 airplanes and a half a dozen spam-cans!!..LOL Anyway here is the link...lots of pretty birds to gaze at, and a wonderful Fly-in to attend for all you fellas looking for a place to wander. Several venders, including Wayne Ison and his new Tricycle Airbike...a couple of PPC dealers...wonderful camping areas, lots of free food and drink..always held the weekend before labor day..also BFI refresher courses on friday. Mark you calanders for next year and consider it folks..its a real good one. Go to Annual eaa flyin button....then 2003 flyin button...to look at flyin pics. here is the link. http://americanaero.us/ Oh Ya...the FlagFly got alot of celluloid....also on the photo gallery page...I guess the photographer was kinda taken by my paint job. I might add that there were 3 forced landings due to engine outs. 2 were Kolbs .. no one hurt..but a bent gear on a Firestar...a busted boom and bent gear an cage on a twinstar..he landed in a tall bean feild just 50 ft short of runway.... and a total'd Team ?-Max..he found the CornFeild on the other side....All 3 Rotax's ....To bad they didnt have a good American engine like a Cuyuna!.(snicker) Highlight for me was Sunday eve...everybody was about gone...and a P-51 and a F4U Corsair buzzed us real low 3 times around (dethatched the runway) on their way back from an Airshow somewhere... http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm Don Gherardini- FireFly 098


    Message 21


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    Time: 07:21:32 PM PST US
    From: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: TRIP, Oil pressure gauge & sad news
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Williamson" <kolbrapilot@comcast.net> Scott, & Kolber's The pleasure was all mine Scott, truly enjoyed your hospitality. You should have hinted harder you need some wood moved. I recommend a stop at Iron Mountain, MI and a visit with Scott if you are anywhere close. Aaron if a great guy and my sympathy goes out to him for his lose. Fly Safe, John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolb Kolbra, SN: 008, Verner 133M Airplane: 441 hours, Engine: 0 hours http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot/


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    Time: 07:26:23 PM PST US
    From: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Tiny Tach #s vs. Westach #s
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> Nope. Back when I built my Kolb, a friend sold me his firewall forward 532 along with the panel for the cost of just the panel. So I am the "steam gauge man" to the max. EIS would be better, but so it goes... Might replace the tach with a NavMan fuel flow gauge??? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Do Not Archive At 06:01 PM 9/3/03 -0700, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> > >Richard, >Do you have an EIS engine monitor. You may be able to get it converted to >add the fuel flow option. I got it and really like it but it will set you >back about $300 if I recall right. >jerb >do not archive


    Message 23


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    Time: 08:15:16 PM PST US
    From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: TRIP, Oil pressure gauge & sad news
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> Scott Trask wrote: > John Hauck, John Williamson and Rick Neilsen, it was a pleasure to have > you guys as guests in my home on the way to Oshkosh this year. > One sad note. Aaron Gustafson (the guy that flew in the day before our > Oshkosh trip and had a flat tire on his Firestar) lost his 29 year old son > in an auto accident. He had a wife and two kids. Scott/All: It was my pleasure to spend time at your home in the UP. I love it up there. Another day or so and I would become a real Yooper. I enjoyed meeting your Dad and all your flying friends. Sorry about the wood pile, but I was busy eating pasties and venison burgers (always eat the freezer burned ones first). We had a great flight to Oshkosh together. I hope we can do it again. Please give me Aaron's home address and telephone number bc. Thanks, john h DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 08:17:44 PM PST US
    From: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Tiny Tach #s vs. Westach #s
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> I no more than sent the reply below and I recalled your having a Westach...da.... If your interested in a fuel flow meter there are a couple of choices. One if Floscan and the other is a unit made in Australia and is now being sold over here in the states. I've seen recent ads for it but as normal I can't find it when you need it. I'll keep an eye out for it. None of these fuel flow toys are cheap, expect $300-$350. I've got the EIS option and it works great. jerb At 10:20 PM 9/3/03 -0400, you wrote: >--> Kolb-List message posted by: Richard Pike <rwpike@charter.net> > >Nope. Back when I built my Kolb, a friend sold me his firewall forward 532 >along with the panel for the cost of just the panel. >So I am the "steam gauge man" to the max. >EIS would be better, but so it goes... > >Might replace the tach with a NavMan fuel flow gauge??? > >Richard Pike >MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > >Do Not Archive > > >At 06:01 PM 9/3/03 -0700, you wrote: > > >--> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> > > > >Richard, > >Do you have an EIS engine monitor. You may be able to get it converted to > >add the fuel flow option. I got it and really like it but it will set you > >back about $300 if I recall right. > >jerb > >do not archive > >


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    Time: 08:28:08 PM PST US
    From: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net>
    Subject: Safety Question - Oil pressure gauge
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: jerb <ulflyer@verizon.net> Here's a safety question. Should there be a restrictor inserted in the oil pressure line in the event if should break it would reduce the oil loss. Ask your A&I, A&P, and DAR? jerb


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    Time: 08:34:57 PM PST US
    From: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net>
    Subject: Michigan Thumb Fall Color Tour
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Fackler, Ken" <kfackler@ameritech.net> DO NOT ARCHIVE For those of you monitoring the list who live in or near the Michigan Thumb area, we're planning another little "round the thumb" flight for October 4. Several of you mentioned that when we did this last spring that you would have liked to have been invited. So if you're interested, (and all pilots are welcome, regardless of aircraft type, though we're primarily an ultralight club) please contact me DIRECT, off-list at: kfackler@ameritech.net -Ken Fackler Kolb Mark II / A722KWF Rochester MI


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    Time: 08:46:34 PM PST US
    From: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Safety Question - Oil pressure gauge
    --> Kolb-List message posted by: John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> > Here's a safety question. Should there be a restrictor > inserted in the oil pressure line in the event if should > break it would reduce the oil loss. Ask your A&I, A&P, > and DAR? jerb jerb/Gang: I'll stick with electronic guauges with senders. I use VDO most of the time. Get them from marine suppliers. Once in a great while I'll get a sender to start acting up on me, but for the most part they seem to be pretty reliable. Wouldn't look forward to the chance of hot oil being sprayed on me from the pressure line. john h




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